Why is America so bad?

[QUOTE="atoria56"]I know what you went through was probably traumatic. But seeing friends and lil kids getting killed by gunfire is no happy site seeing gangs and drug dealers is something that is a big thing to fight from becoming man.C-Himura

No, I didn't go through anything traumatic. I was sheltered by my family most of my life, but I have seen my share of poberty, misery and death. All first hand.

What I was trying to say is that you shouldn't say things like the ones you said in your post about us foreigners just seeing the nice parts of the US and not having seen anything like your ghettos. Saying comments like that only make you seem blind to the rest of what the world is going through.

My fault man I made that statement out of ignorance I was under the assumption that all foreigners only see the side of America that the media wants them to see. If you guys are aware of the bad situations here then I totally apologize.

[QUOTE="Hulkness"]Or because when im at a basketball game and the other team wins I dont cheer for them. If it is a big upset for a fan then there not going to cheer. It has nothing to do with the outside world. If the giants lost this year I wouldent have cheered for the pats and thats because the team I wanted to win lost.ragnarok874

The Olympics are a different beast though, it's not just about the winning (cliche alert) but the taking part is the most important - you ask any athlete from a country that isn't known for winning anything and they wouldn't care if they came in last place, it's the experience. it's normally the same with the crowds as well. As I stated, in my experience, it was only the Atalanta games that I saw this happen in (and I'm 32 so have seen a few games), so I think it says more about the nation hosting it than it does about the games themselves.

I see what your saying but I still think if you want America to win and then another country wins I wouldent clap either. I dont know how its supposed to work since I dont watch the olympics but if I where there I would cheer for America because thats who I want to win not because I dont like the other countrys. I respect most countrys but im competetive like most of America and want my team to win in anything even if its a video game.

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[QUOTE="Hulkness"]Or because when im at a basketball game and the other team wins I dont cheer for them. If it is a big upset for a fan then there not going to cheer. It has nothing to do with the outside world. If the giants lost this year I wouldent have cheered for the pats and thats because the team I wanted to win lost.Hulkness

The Olympics are a different beast though, it's not just about the winning (cliche alert) but the taking part is the most important - you ask any athlete from a country that isn't known for winning anything and they wouldn't care if they came in last place, it's the experience. it's normally the same with the crowds as well. As I stated, in my experience, it was only the Atalanta games that I saw this happen in (and I'm 32 so have seen a few games), so I think it says more about the nation hosting it than it does about the games themselves.

I see what your saying but I still think if you want America to win and then another country wins I wouldent clap either. I dont know how its supposed to work since I dont watch the olympics but if I where there I would cheer for America because thats who I want to win not because I dont like the other countrys. I respect most countrys but im competetive like most of America and want my team to win in anything even if its a video game.

Clapping and cheering for the other team is a show of respect and true sportmanship, to both, your team and the other team, regardless of the outcome of a competition. You see how those guys that just gave their all out there hug and congratulate the other after a competition? Is the same basic principle.

I think its because Americans are seen as too patriotic. No-one likes fanboys.

Seriously though, there is nothing wrong with critisizing your government. Actually I think thats pretty much the whole point of democracy; if the government does something you don't like or you want the government to change something then you're supposed to whine really loud about it.

I don't think the jealously argument is a good one either, it might apply to 3rd world countries but America gets a fair share of contempt from fellow first world countries.

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[QUOTE="Hulkness"]Or because when im at a basketball game and the other team wins I dont cheer for them. If it is a big upset for a fan then there not going to cheer. It has nothing to do with the outside world. If the giants lost this year I wouldent have cheered for the pats and thats because the team I wanted to win lost.Hulkness

The Olympics are a different beast though, it's not just about the winning (cliche alert) but the taking part is the most important - you ask any athlete from a country that isn't known for winning anything and they wouldn't care if they came in last place, it's the experience. it's normally the same with the crowds as well. As I stated, in my experience, it was only the Atalanta games that I saw this happen in (and I'm 32 so have seen a few games), so I think it says more about the nation hosting it than it does about the games themselves.

I see what your saying but I still think if you want America to win and then another country wins I wouldent clap either. I dont know how its supposed to work since I dont watch the olympics but if I where there I would cheer for America because thats who I want to win not because I dont like the other countrys. I respect most countrys but im competetive like most of America and want my team to win in anything even if its a video game.

That's the point I'm trying to prove, other nations would be disappointed that their athlete didn't win, but then they'd applaud the winner, a well as their own athlete, no matter where they came. Americans come accross as insular and not respecting other people in these situations, which while it may not be the case all the time, it doesn't portray America as a whole in a good light.

I hate when people pass judgement on southern people (I am southern myself) there are ignorant people everywhere I have lived in philly and must say that the underhand racism is rampant the people can be condisending too along with the fact of judgement being passed on me because of my accent I was corrected with every statement I made plus been called stupid.atoria56

[QUOTE="atoria56"]I hate when people pass judgement on southern people (I am southern myself) there are ignorant people everywhere I have lived in philly and must say that the underhand racism is rampant the people can be condisending too along with the fact of judgement being passed on me because of my accent I was corrected with every statement I made plus been called stupid.bigrhyno

I am from Texas, Dallas to be exact but I think you ran into one person who was ignorant and from there you expected everyone in the south to become more and more ignorant you send out that energy so that's what is happening I like the southern people besides from the racist but you must be blind (not trying to be insulting) to think that the east coast is far from ignorant matter of fact your own post are proving what I said before, most people on the east coast are harsh and condescending to southern people.

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[QUOTE="bigrhyno"][QUOTE="atoria56"]I hate when people pass judgement on southern people (I am southern myself) there are ignorant people everywhere I have lived in philly and must say that the underhand racism is rampant the people can be condisending too along with the fact of judgement being passed on me because of my accent I was corrected with every statement I made plus been called stupid.bigrhyno

I am from Texas, Dallas to be exact but I think you ran into one person who was ignorant and from there you expected everyone in the south to become more and more ignorant you send out that energy so that's what is happening I like the southern people besides from the racist but you must be blind (not trying to be insulting) to think that the east coast is far from ignorant matter of fact your own post are proving what I said before, most people on the east coast are harsh and condescending to southern people.

Those type of people are throughout America you have the east coast talking about Confederates vs Yankees now that is bad.

Those type of people are throughout America you have the east coast talking about Confederates vs Yankees now that is bad.

atoria56

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Those type of people are throughout America you have the east coast talking about Confederates vs Yankees now that is bad.

bigrhyno

Well the east coast stereotypes are true also like alot of people from the east coast are stubborn and rude. Your still being rude and don't even realize it lol.

I judge a nation based on its actions...

I judge a nation based on its actions...

Also, I find it funny that the American form of Ignorance has seeped through all of the different social and intellectual classes, very much like in Japan. In the UK you usually see this amongst lower class people.

Even the American users on this board , who're relatively sensible in most cases and represent the wide set of classes, show traces of this. It's strange....

Hmm, I don't think ignorance is the right word for it though...hmm yes, strange indeed.

I judge a nation based on its actions...

jointed

So what are you saying you like or dislike America? And what country are you from?

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I judge a nation based on its actions...

Hulkness

So what are you saying you like or dislike America? And what country are you from?

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I judge a nation based on its actions...

Hulkness

So what are you saying you like or dislike America? And what country are you from?

It's not that simple. I dislike your government's fundamental structure when it comes to the elections, for example. But I like other aspects. And I'm from the UK.

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I judge a nation based on its actions...

bigrhyno

So what are you saying you like or dislike America? And what country are you from?

Its not a big deal I have intrest in you guys's discussion.

[QUOTE="bigrhyno"][QUOTE="Hulkness"][QUOTE="jointed"]

I judge a nation based on its actions...

Hulkness

So what are you saying you like or dislike America? And what country are you from?

Its not a big deal I have intrest in you guys's discussion.

This is a good thread though.

Yeah I know I am being a hypocrite but being southern and have lived on the east has made me kind of edgy towards insults remember I was assumed to be dumb because of my accent sorry if I offended you but everything you stated before was very offensive to me so thats why I gave my reaction.atoria56

So your saying that Americans dont look like a good country because we dont clap after being upset.Hulkness

Not in so many words but it does appear to be indicative of American culture as a whole, as this may be one of the few times that people outside of America get to see how the American public react to different situations involving other cultures. To me, if I didn't know any Americans (I do know a few and have been good friends with them, having similar conversations about this topic), I would judge on what I'd seen, rather than taking an objective view. I suppose the sports thing could just be used as an analogy.

Because it's cool to hate on the government and they have no idea how it can be in some other countries.LJS9502_basic

That, and I think they feel sense of entitlement.

Because it's cool to hate on the government and they have no idea how it can be in some other countries.LJS9502_basic

OR they have been there and dont like it, America may have more freedoms then alot of countries BUT they have more social anxiety and materialiusm then any other country in the world. Alot of people from poorer counties state that they would rather stay because they have more moral values. There are lots of things i like about america but it is downright egocentric to think that its a prefect country.

[QUOTE="Whicker89"]Because I constantly hear americans claiming their country to "The Best country in the world!" that and "if we wanted to we could blow your country apart". A great deal of also believe the world revolves around America.KG86

Also they claim they are the only free country in the world.

Bush claims that. He's also the same guy who looks through binoculars the wrong way and can't pronounce nuclear.

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[QUOTE="teh_destroyer"]a lot of other countries don't have the same type of freedom as we do,so therefore they hate us.Hulkness

Joking?

No one hates a country because they are free. People in Europe dont wake up and say "I thinl il hate America today becuase there so darn free". Terrorists dont decide to attack us to destroy our freedoms. That doesnt make sense.

No I think he means that there jealous. Its not fair that I can sit here and say America sucks if I want and not get into trouble where they get killed for saying there country sucks. They may think we are a spoied country and hate us out of spite. Its a very easy thing to hate people that have it better than you. Like people who hate rich people because they think there spoiled.

al-Qaeda didn't destroy the World Trade Centre for "jealousy". They did it because the West has divided, exploited and ruled the East for a very long tim. The transnational corporations and the media of the US are the epitome of capitalism, and that is what they were making a statement against. Why do you think they blew up the World TRADE towers?

It's not due to jealously, it's revenge and martydom.

PLus that whole violent ideaology on nuking and bombing countries makes me mad about us.atoria56

[QUOTE="atoria56"]PLus that whole violent ideaology on nuking and bombing countries makes me mad about us.Def_Jef88

Thats not a given, nor is it an excuse or reason for whats going on today and has in the past

They're not bad they're just evil! :twisted:

I guess the people and country by itself is okay, but the people that runs the state makes it look 'bad'/

I am a proud America too. Yeah, we have a long way to go from all the problems we got, but apart from that, America is a free, capitalist country (that is why many people hate America.)Wolf-Man2006

That logic is fundamentally flawed...

What about Europe, India, Japan etc?

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]I am a proud America too. Yeah, we have a long way to go from all the problems we got, but apart from that, America is a free, capitalist country (that is why many people hate America.)jointed

That logic is fundamentally flawed...

What about Europe, India, Japan etc?

ah, I forgot Europe, Japan, India, etc.. Thanks for reminding me.

www.godhatesamerica.com

That's the kind of people who hate America, not liberals like so many of you believe for some reason...

www.godhatesamerica.com

That's the kind of people who hate America, not liberals like so many of you believe for some reason...

ThaSod

Btw, I don't think its only liberals that hate America (I know some liberals that respect their problems.)