why isnt god stoping this war? why isnt god doing anything? god is evil?

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[QUOTE="A_Tarkovsky"][QUOTE="jointed"]He gave humans free will...that BS is pretty much the only excuse christians have.A_Tarkovsky

It's just another cheap ass excuse. If he really is all-knowing and almighty, he would have foreseen the consequences of giving us free will.

Now, I definitely disagree with this.

You still haven't explained what makes it a cheap-ass excuse.

Yes I have, if God created us knowing that so many people would suffer, I'd say he's evil...or at least apathetic.

And there you have free will.

:lol:

You're a part of the lucky 10% who can actually realize such wishes. The vast majority of human's don't live in the western world. Their lives are basically like this:

Born--work--work--work--work--Die

Could you please come with a proper argument?

I'm saying that the vast majority of humans can't realize the positive sides of free will, and that their lives consists of work and struggle.

Actually, life as a whole is a struggle, I fail to see why God would want to create such a world filled with suffering. For example, why the hell would he create a world with limited resources?

What do you mean by limited recourses? Are you refering to gasoline, which we have several alternatives for? How is that related to struggle? Are you talking about the workers?

You're being really vague.

A form of growth? Not really, you're not learning anything new by doing the same damn thing every day (no, I'm not refering to the rich westerners), unless you mean physical growth of course.

I'm talking about every single form of resource. Limited resources is what creates greed and eventually war.

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[QUOTE="A_Tarkovsky"][QUOTE="jointed"]He gave humans free will...that BS is pretty much the only excuse christians have.jointed

It's just another cheap ass excuse. If he really is all-knowing and almighty, he would have foreseen the consequences of giving us free will.

Now, I definitely disagree with this.

You still haven't explained what makes it a cheap-ass excuse.

Yes I have, if God created us knowing that so many people would suffer, I'd say he's evil...or at least apathetic.

And there you have free will.

:lol:

You're a part of the lucky 10% who can actually realize such wishes. The vast majority of human's don't live in the western world. Their lives are basically like this:

Born--work--work--work--work--Die

Could you please come with a proper argument?

I'm saying that the vast majority of humans can't realize the positive sides of free will, and that their lives consists of work and struggle.

Actually, life as a whole is a struggle, I fail to see why God would want to create such a world filled with suffering. For example, why the hell would he create a world with limited resources?

What do you mean by limited recourses? Are you refering to gasoline, which we have several alternatives for? How is that related to struggle? Are you talking about the workers?

You're being really vague.

A form of growth? Not really, you're not learning anything new by doing the same damn thing every day (no, I'm not refering to the rich westerners), unless you mean physical growth of course.

I'm talking about every single form of resource. Limited resources is what creates greed and eventually war.

Are you talking about people or robots?

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Well basically because "he" isn't real..... But that's such a complicated conclusion that half the people don't get it and deny it and are like "Oh he just wants us to work out our own problems.. and kill the jews"... LOL Seriously...People are crazy. [Yeah I went to a church once where the preacher talked bad about jews for an hour, and spent the second hour explaining how our community was being overrun with muslims and unless they were converted they'd start suicide bombing our schools..... I was an atheist then, but my grandmother asked me to go with her, so I couldn't deny....After that I flat out told her I was atheist and would never go with her to church again, and now she (after saying she loves me) reminds me I'm going to hell....TallicaFan2005

that's right, call the people you don't agree with crazy. :roll:

Oh, I guess I'll get my baseball bat and start beating jews, gays, scientists, video game devolopers, school science teachers, sex ed teachers, and muslims.... [that's not crazy?]

what i got out of this mindless post is that because people are involved in a religion they beat jews and gays.

How can people believe in god? When we were a small part of this world, we said god made rain, sun, all that stuff, because we didn't know how things worked and credited everything to some unknown force. But now, we have grown up. We can stop saying that god made this and that happen because we know how it really works. We know that everything in this world has a scientific explanation. How can people kid themselves and believe in god? The only way god helps us is to make us more confident that god will see us through hard times, but that all depends on our OWN actions. Seriously, humans need to stop being so irresponsible. People make horrible, stupid mistakes, never facing the consequences, then when they can't run from their fate anymore, they look to god, believing he will save them. I just don't understand people... Someone please try to convince me otherwise without flaming me. PLEASE.Xenomorph006

Yeah the fact that religion has changed so much completely disproves the entire thing, but again those people are irrational.

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[QUOTE="A_Tarkovsky"][QUOTE="jointed"]He gave humans free will...that BS is pretty much the only excuse christians have.A_Tarkovsky

It's just another cheap ass excuse. If he really is all-knowing and almighty, he would have foreseen the consequences of giving us free will.

Now, I definitely disagree with this.

You still haven't explained what makes it a cheap-ass excuse.

Yes I have, if God created us knowing that so many people would suffer, I'd say he's evil...or at least apathetic.

And there you have free will.

:lol:

You're a part of the lucky 10% who can actually realize such wishes. The vast majority of human's don't live in the western world. Their lives are basically like this:

Born--work--work--work--work--Die

Could you please come with a proper argument?

I'm saying that the vast majority of humans can't realize the positive sides of free will, and that their lives consists of work and struggle.

Actually, life as a whole is a struggle, I fail to see why God would want to create such a world filled with suffering. For example, why the hell would he create a world with limited resources?

What do you mean by limited recourses? Are you refering to gasoline, which we have several alternatives for? How is that related to struggle? Are you talking about the workers?

You're being really vague.

A form of growth? Not really, you're not learning anything new by doing the same damn thing every day(no, I'm not refering to the rich westerners), unless you mean physical growth of course.

I'm talking about every single form of resource. Limited resources is what creates greed and eventually war.

Are you talking about people or robots?

:roll:

Cut the crap. Explain how sitting in a Nike factory in Burma and sewing footballs everyday stimulates spiritual growth.

From a rationalist standpoint, perhaps God isn't a babysitter? >_>

why does it seem like all atheists in this forum are intolerant and think they're superior?

i don't know about you but my church teaches love and tolerance. hardly any jew beating.

why does it seem like all atheists in this forum are intolerant and think they're superior?

i don't know about you but my church teaches love and tolerance. hardly any jew beating.

ItalStallion777

Because we think?

And because it is literally impossible to comprehend how someone can believe in something so insanely silly, and something that is disproved every day.... I mean if I went around saying "THE SKY IS FREAKING RED!!!" people would say "Um no..." That's not intolerance, it's intelligence.

I'm suprised nobody added this motivational poster yeat.

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Well basically because "he" isn't real..... But that's such a complicated conclusion that half the people don't get it and deny it and are like "Oh he just wants us to work out our own problems.. and kill the jews"... LOL Seriously...People are crazy. [Yeah I went to a church once where the preacher talked bad about jews for an hour, and spent the second hour explaining how our community was being overrun with muslims and unless they were converted they'd start suicide bombing our schools..... I was an atheist then, but my grandmother asked me to go with her, so I couldn't deny....After that I flat out told her I was atheist and would never go with her to church again, and now she (after saying she loves me) reminds me I'm going to hell....ItalStallion777

that's right, call the people you don't agree with crazy. :roll:

and btw, much more than half the population (world) has religious beliefs. so approximately 80% of the world "doesn't get it".

Religious beliefs don't have to be theistic.

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[QUOTE="A_Tarkovsky"][QUOTE="jointed"]He gave humans free will...that BS is pretty much the only excuse christians have.jointed

It's just another cheap ass excuse. If he really is all-knowing and almighty, he would have foreseen the consequences of giving us free will.

Now, I definitely disagree with this.

You still haven't explained what makes it a cheap-ass excuse.

Yes I have, if God created us knowing that so many people would suffer, I'd say he's evil...or at least apathetic.

And there you have free will.

:lol:

You're a part of the lucky 10% who can actually realize such wishes. The vast majority of human's don't live in the western world. Their lives are basically like this:

Born--work--work--work--work--Die

Could you please come with a proper argument?

I'm saying that the vast majority of humans can't realize the positive sides of free will, and that their lives consists of work and struggle.

Actually, life as a whole is a struggle, I fail to see why God would want to create such a world filled with suffering. For example, why the hell would he create a world with limited resources?

What do you mean by limited recourses? Are you refering to gasoline, which we have several alternatives for? How is that related to struggle? Are you talking about the workers?

You're being really vague.

A form of growth? Not really, you're not learning anything new by doing the same damn thing every day(no, I'm not refering to the rich westerners), unless you mean physical growth of course.

I'm talking about every single form of resource. Limited resources is what creates greed and eventually war.

Are you talking about people or robots?

:roll:

Cut the crap. Explain how sitting in a Nike factory in Burma and sewing footballs everyday stimulates spiritual growth.

It depends on the person. Because of certain variables, I can't honestly answer this question, because I can't apply a single answer to this entire population of people under such a constricting regime.

A_Tarkovsky

It depends on the person. Because of certain variables, I can't honestly answer this question, because I can't apply a single answer to this entire population of people under such a constricting regime.

Well, unfortunately, that's the reality for most people in the 3rd world...do you really think they have time to embark on spiritual quests like the ones you described? They're busy earning enough money so they don't starve to death.

From a Theological standpoint, why should God be actively involved in the affairs of the world? The material world is temporary and fleeting. It is the spiritual that must be advanced, not the material. The argument is that God strives to make the paradise in eternal heaven, rather than on the temporary earth.

And again I state, from the Rationalist standpoint, perhaps God just isn't your bloody babysitter. >_>

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]

why does it seem like all atheists in this forum are intolerant and think they're superior?

i don't know about you but my church teaches love and tolerance. hardly any jew beating.

TallicaFan2005

Because we think?

And because it is literally impossible to comprehend how someone can believe in something so insanely silly, and something that is disproved every day.... I mean if I went around saying "THE SKY IS FREAKING RED!!!" people would say "Um no..." That's not intolerance, it's intelligence.

your posts scream ignorance and immaturity so there is no reason for me to argue with you. if i did, you would would probably quickly overwhelm me with you superior intellect, which btw you have shown none of yet. i respect your beliefs nonetheless but the way you convey them is (for the lack of a better word)....stupid.

From a Theological standpoint, why should God be actively involved in the affairs of the world? The material world is temporary and fleeting. It is the spiritual that must be advanced, not the material. The argument is that God strives to make the paradise in eternal heaven, rather than on the temporary earth.

And again I state, from the Rationalist standpoint, perhaps God just isn't your bloody babysitter. >_>

PannicAtack

#edit# oops. kinda skimmed over your post a little bit, didn't read it through properly. sorry.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

From a Theological standpoint, why should God be actively involved in the affairs of the world? The material world is temporary and fleeting. It is the spiritual that must be advanced, not the material. The argument is that God strives to make the paradise in eternal heaven, rather than on the temporary earth.

And again I state, from the Rationalist standpoint, perhaps God just isn't your bloody babysitter. >_>

Mr_sprinkles

Oh, crap, I got into a religion argument...

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Well basically because "he" isn't real..... But that's such a complicated conclusion that half the people don't get it and deny it and are like "Oh he just wants us to work out our own problems.. and kill the jews"... LOL Seriously...People are crazy. [Yeah I went to a church once where the preacher talked bad about jews for an hour, and spent the second hour explaining how our community was being overrun with muslims and unless they were converted they'd start suicide bombing our schools..... I was an atheist then, but my grandmother asked me to go with her, so I couldn't deny....After that I flat out told her I was atheist and would never go with her to church again, and now she (after saying she loves me) reminds me I'm going to hell....TallicaFan2005

that's right, call the people you don't agree with crazy. :roll:

Oh, I guess I'll get my baseball bat and start beating jews, gays, scientists, video game devolopers, school science teachers, sex ed teachers, and muslims.... [that's not crazy?]

Wow your ignorance is amazing.

From a Theological standpoint, why should God be actively involved in the affairs of the world? The material world is temporary and fleeting. It is the spiritual that must be advanced, not the material. The argument is that God strives to make the paradise in eternal heaven, rather than on the temporary earth.

And again I state, from the Rationalist standpoint, perhaps God just isn't your bloody babysitter. >_>

PannicAtack

Well, that's as if a mother were to throw her new born baby in to a dumpster to fend for itself...

How can people believe in god? When we were a small part of this world, we said god made rain, sun, all that stuff, because we didn't know how things worked and credited everything to some unknown force. But now, we have grown up. We can stop saying that god made this and that happen because we know how it really works. We know that everything in this world has a scientific explanation. How can people kid themselves and believe in god? The only way god helps us is to make us more confident that god will see us through hard times, but that all depends on our OWN actions. Seriously, humans need to stop being so irresponsible. People make horrible, stupid mistakes, never facing the consequences, then when they can't run from their fate anymore, they look to god, believing he will save them. I just don't understand people... Someone please try to convince me otherwise without flaming me. PLEASE.Xenomorph006

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

From a Theological standpoint, why should God be actively involved in the affairs of the world? The material world is temporary and fleeting. It is the spiritual that must be advanced, not the material. The argument is that God strives to make the paradise in eternal heaven, rather than on the temporary earth.

And again I state, from the Rationalist standpoint, perhaps God just isn't your bloody babysitter. >_>

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Well, that's as if a mother were to throw her new born baby in to a dumpster to fend for itself...

Now, we aren't exactly "newborn babies" >_>

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

From a Theological standpoint, why should God be actively involved in the affairs of the world? The material world is temporary and fleeting. It is the spiritual that must be advanced, not the material. The argument is that God strives to make the paradise in eternal heaven, rather than on the temporary earth.

And again I state, from the Rationalist standpoint, perhaps God just isn't your bloody babysitter. >_>

PannicAtack

Oh, crap, I got into a religion argument...

Well, I heard at my church that if god stopped all the wars, there would be no freedom among us humans.FFinfinite

On the contrary. If there were no gods - or even better, no religion - everyone would be equal spiritually, there'd be less persecution and we'd all be a hell of a lot more free.

Stop kidding yourself.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

From a Theological standpoint, why should God be actively involved in the affairs of the world? The material world is temporary and fleeting. It is the spiritual that must be advanced, not the material. The argument is that God strives to make the paradise in eternal heaven, rather than on the temporary earth.

And again I state, from the Rationalist standpoint, perhaps God just isn't your bloody babysitter. >_>

jointed

Well, that's as if a mother were to throw her new born baby in to a dumpster to fend for itself...

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

From a Theological standpoint, why should God be actively involved in the affairs of the world? The material world is temporary and fleeting. It is the spiritual that must be advanced, not the material. The argument is that God strives to make the paradise in eternal heaven, rather than on the temporary earth.

And again I state, from the Rationalist standpoint, perhaps God just isn't your bloody babysitter. >_>

Mr_sprinkles

Oh, crap, I got into a religion argument...

[QUOTE="Xenomorph006"]How can people believe in god? When we were a small part of this world, we said god made rain, sun, all that stuff, because we didn't know how things worked and credited everything to some unknown force. But now, we have grown up. We can stop saying that god made this and that happen because we know how it really works. We know that everything in this world has a scientific explanation. How can people kid themselves and believe in god? The only way god helps us is to make us more confident that god will see us through hard times, but that all depends on our OWN actions. Seriously, humans need to stop being so irresponsible. People make horrible, stupid mistakes, never facing the consequences, then when they can't run from their fate anymore, they look to god, believing he will save them. I just don't understand people... Someone please try to convince me otherwise without flaming me. PLEASE.killtactics

Yes, but there are means and ways to explore and research those. Bad comparison.

[QUOTE="FFinfinite"]Well, I heard at my church that if god stopped all the wars, there would be no freedom among us humans.luke1889

On the contrary. If there were no gods - or even better, no religion - everyone would be equal spiritually, there'd be less persecution and we'd all be a hell of a lot more free.

Stop kidding yourself.

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]

why does it seem like all atheists in this forum are intolerant and think they're superior?

i don't know about you but my church teaches love and tolerance. hardly any jew beating.

ItalStallion777

Because we think?

And because it is literally impossible to comprehend how someone can believe in something so insanely silly, and something that is disproved every day.... I mean if I went around saying "THE SKY IS FREAKING RED!!!" people would say "Um no..." That's not intolerance, it's intelligence.

your posts scream ignorance and immaturity so there is no reason for me to argue with you. if i did, you would would probably quickly overwhelm me with you superior intellect, which btw you have shown none of yet. i respect your beliefs nonetheless but the way you convey them is (for the lack of a better word)....stupid.

Sorry, but it's impossible to make a rational argument against the completley irrational. Pick up The God Delusion or God Is Not Great, maybe those guys explain it...But I don't care enough to "study" and make a logical argument about the tooth fairy or anything like that.

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Xenomorph006"]How can people believe in god? When we were a small part of this world, we said god made rain, sun, all that stuff, because we didn't know how things worked and credited everything to some unknown force. But now, we have grown up. We can stop saying that god made this and that happen because we know how it really works. We know that everything in this world has a scientific explanation. How can people kid themselves and believe in god? The only way god helps us is to make us more confident that god will see us through hard times, but that all depends on our OWN actions. Seriously, humans need to stop being so irresponsible. People make horrible, stupid mistakes, never facing the consequences, then when they can't run from their fate anymore, they look to god, believing he will save them. I just don't understand people... Someone please try to convince me otherwise without flaming me. PLEASE.luke1889

Yes, but there are means and ways to explore and research those. Bad comparison.

[QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Xenomorph006"]How can people believe in god? When we were a small part of this world, we said god made rain, sun, all that stuff, because we didn't know how things worked and credited everything to some unknown force. But now, we have grown up. We can stop saying that god made this and that happen because we know how it really works. We know that everything in this world has a scientific explanation. How can people kid themselves and believe in god? The only way god helps us is to make us more confident that god will see us through hard times, but that all depends on our OWN actions. Seriously, humans need to stop being so irresponsible. People make horrible, stupid mistakes, never facing the consequences, then when they can't run from their fate anymore, they look to god, believing he will save them. I just don't understand people... Someone please try to convince me otherwise without flaming me. PLEASE.killtactics

Yes, but there are means and ways to explore and research those. Bad comparison.

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]

why does it seem like all atheists in this forum are intolerant and think they're superior?

i don't know about you but my church teaches love and tolerance. hardly any jew beating.

TallicaFan2005

Because we think?

And because it is literally impossible to comprehend how someone can believe in something so insanely silly, and something that is disproved every day.... I mean if I went around saying "THE SKY IS FREAKING RED!!!" people would say "Um no..." That's not intolerance, it's intelligence.

your posts scream ignorance and immaturity so there is no reason for me to argue with you. if i did, you would would probably quickly overwhelm me with you superior intellect, which btw you have shown none of yet. i respect your beliefs nonetheless but the way you convey them is (for the lack of a better word)....stupid.

Sorry, but it's impossible to make a rational argument against the completley irrational. Pick up The God Delusion or God Is Not Great, maybe those guys explain it...But I don't care enough to "study" and make a logical argument about the tooth fairy or anything like that.

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Xenomorph006"]How can people believe in god? When we were a small part of this world, we said god made rain, sun, all that stuff, because we didn't know how things worked and credited everything to some unknown force. But now, we have grown up. We can stop saying that god made this and that happen because we know how it really works. We know that everything in this world has a scientific explanation. How can people kid themselves and believe in god? The only way god helps us is to make us more confident that god will see us through hard times, but that all depends on our OWN actions. Seriously, humans need to stop being so irresponsible. People make horrible, stupid mistakes, never facing the consequences, then when they can't run from their fate anymore, they look to god, believing he will save them. I just don't understand people... Someone please try to convince me otherwise without flaming me. PLEASE.PannicAtack

Yes, but there are means and ways to explore and research those. Bad comparison.

Sorry, but it's impossible to make a rational argument against the completley irrational. TallicaFan2005

I point to the Rationalist view of "God as Clockmaker" >_>PannicAtack

anyway, are you talking about the one about how looking at a clock tells you nothing of its maker except that they have the knowledge and skills required to make a clock?

Gott ist tot.CptJSparrow

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]I point to the Rationalist view of "God as Clockmaker" >_>Mr_sprinkles

anyway, are you talking about the one about how looking at a clock tells you nothing of its maker except that they have the knowledge and skills required to make a clock?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Gott ist tot.killtactics

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]

why does it seem like all atheists in this forum are intolerant and think they're superior?

i don't know about you but my church teaches love and tolerance. hardly any jew beating.

TallicaFan2005

Because we think?

And because it is literally impossible to comprehend how someone can believe in something so insanely silly, and something that is disproved every day.... I mean if I went around saying "THE SKY IS FREAKING RED!!!" people would say "Um no..." That's not intolerance, it's intelligence.

your posts scream ignorance and immaturity so there is no reason for me to argue with you. if i did, you would would probably quickly overwhelm me with you superior intellect, which btw you have shown none of yet. i respect your beliefs nonetheless but the way you convey them is (for the lack of a better word)....stupid.

Sorry, but it's impossible to make a rational argument against the completley irrational. Pick up The God Delusion or God Is Not Great, maybe those guys explain it...But I don't care enough to "study" and make a logical argument about the tooth fairy or anything like that.

yes, so instead of just keeping your mouth shut about something you can't argue rationally you open it and say how christians beat jews and gays. :lol: you're too much, i thought you said you think.

okay, so if I killed someone in a horrible way, would that make God evil?

If we have to rely on someone that doesn't even show himself to stop killing ourselves, something is VERY wrong with us.

If you want change, make it happen.

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]

Sorry, but it's impossible to make a rational argument against the completley irrational. PannicAtack