why isnt god stoping this war? why isnt god doing anything? god is evil?

Stop taking the bible so literally. Sure, it provides a good standard of morals (including the lovely leviticus, where we learn that stoning homosexuals to death is the correct course of action), but seriously, do you believe a man lived inside a whale? Do you believe all the miracles? Do you honestly think a great man in the sky (notice the egotism of humans, making god human-like, humans being in his image etc) just created Adam and Eve? Open up your mind.

It is fiction. Treat it as such, and don't base your arguments upon it.

Panzer-schreck

I never said I take it 100% literally.

God is like that 9 year old kid playing sim city. He got a decent city built up but is now bored of even running disasters through it. However, god can't save and quit so he just left us running.

I don't believe in god, but if I did, that's how I'd think of it.

God's Bible begins with the first man and even includes much about Egypt and other early civilizations. So your'e supposed timeline is faulty.

pseudodog07

[QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]Stop taking the bible so literally. Sure, it provides a good standard of morals (including the lovely leviticus, where we learn that stoning homosexuals to death is the correct course of action), but seriously, do you believe a man lived inside a whale? Do you believe all the miracles? Do you honestly think a great man in the sky (notice the egotism of humans, making god human-like, humans being in his image etc) just created Adam and Eve? Open up your mind.

It is fiction. Treat it as such, and don't base your arguments upon it.

pseudodog07

I never said I take it 100% literally.

Then you concede to my point, and contradict the statements you made earlier.

This life is a test. What you are expecting out of this life, is more alike paradise - and is a reward to those who still devote themselves to God despite the circumstances surrounding them. rimnet00

OR, this is our one shot at life, and after that, it's oblivion. You don't know, and you can't claim to know, that there's paradise awaiting you.

[QUOTE="pseudodog07"]

God's Bible begins with the first man and even includes much about Egypt and other early civilizations. So your'e supposed timeline is faulty.

CptJSparrow

Because a protozoa is not a man. Neither is Lucy or any other near human. The bible timeline is close to accurate.

[QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]Stop taking the bible so literally. Sure, it provides a good standard of morals (including the lovely leviticus, where we learn that stoning homosexuals to death is the correct course of action), but seriously, do you believe a man lived inside a whale? Do you believe all the miracles? Do you honestly think a great man in the sky (notice the egotism of humans, making god human-like, humans being in his image etc) just created Adam and Eve? Open up your mind.

It is fiction. Treat it as such, and don't base your arguments upon it.

Panzer-schreck

I never said I take it 100% literally.

Then you concede to my point, and contradict the statements you made earlier.

I concede nothing, just that I don't take it 100 percent literally.

This life is a test. What you are expecting out of this life, is more alike paradise - and is a reward to those who still devote themselves to God despite the circumstances surrounding them. rimnet00

I'll never understand how stuff like that is supposed to make any sense. It's like reading a fairy tale.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"]

God's Bible begins with the first man and even includes much about Egypt and other early civilizations. So your'e supposed timeline is faulty.

pseudodog07

Because a protozoa is not a man. Neither is Lucy or any other near human. The bible timeline is close to accurate.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

- Epicurus

/thread

luke1889

Evil can exist without any god because...some people are just evil. :|

What's so perplexing about that?

Don't forget all definitions are human constructs.

I concede nothing, just that I don't take it 100 percent literally.pseudodog07

[QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"]

God's Bible begins with the first man and even includes much about Egypt and other early civilizations. So your'e supposed timeline is faulty.

CptJSparrow

Because a protozoa is not a man. Neither is Lucy or any other near human. The bible timeline is close to accurate.

No, morallity did not necessarrilly arise with the first homo sapien either. It arose with the first man approximately 10000 years ago. Notice, I am drawing a distiction between the first homo sapien and the first man.

[QUOTE="pseudodog07"]I concede nothing, just that I don't take it 100 percent literally.SolidSnake35

I concede nothing, just that I don't take it 100 percent literally.

pseudodog07

Non-literal = open to interpretation = anyone can make any interpretation = the whole thing falls apart.

There is a clear problem here.

[QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]Stop taking the bible so literally. Sure, it provides a good standard of morals (including the lovely leviticus, where we learn that stoning homosexuals to death is the correct course of action), but seriously, do you believe a man lived inside a whale? Do you believe all the miracles? Do you honestly think a great man in the sky (notice the egotism of humans, making god human-like, humans being in his image etc) just created Adam and Eve? Open up your mind.

It is fiction. Treat it as such, and don't base your arguments upon it.

pseudodog07

I never said I take it 100% literally.

Then you concede to my point, and contradict the statements you made earlier.

I concede nothing, just that I don't take it 100 percent literally.

You can't base your arguments with the bible as your source if you concede that you can't take it literally, due to it's fictitious elements. Since you conceded you can't take it literally, don't use it in your arguments.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"]I concede nothing, just that I don't take it 100 percent literally.notconspiracy

[QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

- Epicurus

/thread

notconspiracy

Evil can exist without any god because...some people are just evil. :|

What's so perplexing about that?

Don't forget all definitions are human constructs.

It certainly raises a valid argument against the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good god of the 'great' three monotheistc religions. Care to answer that point?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"]

God's Bible begins with the first man and even includes much about Egypt and other early civilizations. So your'e supposed timeline is faulty.

pseudodog07

Because a protozoa is not a man. Neither is Lucy or any other near human. The bible timeline is close to accurate.

No, morallity did not necessarrilly arise with the first homo sapien either. It arose with the first man approximately 10000 years ago. Notice, I am drawing a distiction between the first homo sapien and the first man.

but there has to be OBJECTIVE evil. how can there be OBJECTIVE evil if there is no universal moral standard set in stone? how can there be said moral standard without god? this is why the "problem of evil" is not a valid argumentnotconspiracy

Our objective standards are made by ourselves. We have an inherent sense of right and wrong. The moral standards come from our social interaction since the dawn of time.

Tell me this. If you try to comprehend that the world can be like this without divine intervention, does your brain hurt?

Note: rhetorical question there.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"]I concede nothing, just that I don't take it 100 percent literally.notconspiracy

Not all Christians believe in 100% literalness. People even asked Jesus "Why do you speak in metaphor?" So, it's not 100% literal.

If I were god, I'd walk away shaking my head in shame too if I saw how stupid the middle-east is acting.

Hell, I would have been long gone since the first major religiously led genocide. Humans are idiots, and if there's a god out there, he most certianly doesn't like us.

Why is it that my arguments are being ignored? Screw this, I'm arguing with a bunch of idiots anyways, and at the end of the day, nobody's mind is changed.

I have better things to do.

Panzer-schreck

I answered the question. If you have more questions ask the Lord above. You might just get an answer.

[QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]

Why is it that my arguments are being ignored? Screw this, I'm arguing with a bunch of idiots anyways, and at the end of the day, nobody's mind is changed.

I have better things to do.

pseudodog07

I answered the question. If you have more questions ask the Lord above. You might just get an answer.

Dear god, why havn't you had any trace of a presence in any recorded history?

:|

:|

:|

Nope, no answer yet.

If I were god, I'd walk away shaking my head in shame too if I saw how stupid the middle-east is acting.

Hell, I would have been long gone since the first major religiously led genocide. Humans are idiots, and if there's a god out there, he most certianly doesn't like us.

kittykatz5k

There is a Bible quote that states "God is no fan of persons"

[QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]

Why is it that my arguments are being ignored? Screw this, I'm arguing with a bunch of idiots anyways, and at the end of the day, nobody's mind is changed.

I have better things to do.

pseudodog07

I answered the question. If you have more questions ask the Lord above. You might just get an answer.

Asking like that will get no answers at all.

[QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]

Why is it that my arguments are being ignored? Screw this, I'm arguing with a bunch of idiots anyways, and at the end of the day, nobody's mind is changed.

I have better things to do.

pseudodog07

I answered the question. If you have more questions ask the Lord above. You might just get an answer.

Yes, because a supossedly omnipotent being has nothing better to do with its time than answering the questions of humans.

[QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]

Why is it that my arguments are being ignored? Screw this, I'm arguing with a bunch of idiots anyways, and at the end of the day, nobody's mind is changed.

I have better things to do.

kittykatz5k

I answered the question. If you have more questions ask the Lord above. You might just get an answer.

Dear god, why havn't you had any trace of a presence in any recorded history?

:|

:|

:|

Nope, no answer yet.

That's certainly in the eye of the beholder. And sometimes it takes decades for God to answer. Or, if you are anything like me the answers were there the whole tiime.

Well, this Christian fellow Saint Augustine argued that god endowed mankind with a little something called free will... a concept that renders us responsible for good deeds and our capacity as humans to do evil (i,e war). By this logic, god has nothing to do with us killing ourselves.Jambi86

I'll go further by quoting my own quote. Augustine also dealt with the problem of evil when pertaining to the nature of god and man, stating that human beings have the ability to enact something called "free choice" with this crazy thing called 'free will'. He also stated that people have something called metaphysical freedom and that without this freedom the universe would be a "divine puppet show". Therefore we have the autonomy which creates evil, God is only guilty so much as he is for creating our ability to choose. Furthermore we should be ruled by nothing except a higher principle called Truth, which Augustine considered to be a synonym for the word God.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]

Why is it that my arguments are being ignored? Screw this, I'm arguing with a bunch of idiots anyways, and at the end of the day, nobody's mind is changed.

I have better things to do.

pseudodog07

I answered the question. If you have more questions ask the Lord above. You might just get an answer.

Dear god, why havn't you had any trace of a presence in any recorded history?

:|

:|

:|

Nope, no answer yet.

That's certainly in the eye of the beholder. And sometimes it takes decades for God to answer.

"When I was a kid I used to pray to God for a bike. Then I realised God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike, and prayed to God for forgiveness."

- Emo Phillips

And sometimes it takes decades for God to answer.pseudodog07

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

If I were god, I'd walk away shaking my head in shame too if I saw how stupid the middle-east is acting.

Hell, I would have been long gone since the first major religiously led genocide. Humans are idiots, and if there's a god out there, he most certianly doesn't like us.

pseudodog07

There is a Bible quote that states "God is no fan of persons"

And I am a person who is no fan of god. I don't care if you're a little kid, an administrator of gamespot, or a god. I don't have praise or friendship for you, nor reason to praise or befriend you if you don't have an exsistance in my life. Being powerful is no exsistance to me.

"When I was a kid I used to pray to God for a bike. Then I realised God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike, and prayed to God for forgiveness."

- Emo Phillips

Panzer-schreck

God is not for stealing.

And I am a person who is no fan of god. I don't care if you're a little kid, and administrator of gamespot, or a god. I don't have praise or friendship for you, nor reason to praise or befriend you if you don't have an exsistance in my life. Being powerful is no exsistance to me.kittykatz5k

He has an existance in your life. You just refuse to look for it.

[QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]

Why is it that my arguments are being ignored? Screw this, I'm arguing with a bunch of idiots anyways, and at the end of the day, nobody's mind is changed.

I have better things to do.

pseudodog07

I answered the question. If you have more questions ask the Lord above. You might just get an answer.

Dear god, why havn't you had any trace of a presence in any recorded history?

:|

:|

:|

Nope, no answer yet.

That's certainly in the eye of the beholder. And sometimes it takes decades for God to answer.

"When I was a kid I used to pray to God for a bike. Then I realised God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike, and prayed to God for forgiveness."

- Emo Phillips

God is not for stealing.

Can't take a joke, can you? Emo Phillips is a comedian.

My point was that prayer, and asking "God" questions are both useless tactics. Prayer might give people ease of mind, but it won't help them with whatever they want.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]And I am a person who is no fan of god. I don't care if you're a little kid, and administrator of gamespot, or a god. I don't have praise or friendship for you, nor reason to praise or befriend you if you don't have an exsistance in my life. Being powerful is no exsistance to me.pseudodog07

He has an existance in your life. You just refuse to look for it.

The giant spaghetti monster has one in your life as well. You just refuse to aknowledge it.

Can't take a joke, can you? Emo Phillips is a comedian.

My point was that prayer, and asking "God" questions are both useless tactics. Prayer might give people ease of mind, but it won't help them with whatever they want.

Panzer-schreck

No, God is not a magic geenie that gives everyone 3 wishes.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]And I am a person who is no fan of god. I don't care if you're a little kid, and administrator of gamespot, or a god. I don't have praise or friendship for you, nor reason to praise or befriend you if you don't have an exsistance in my life. Being powerful is no exsistance to me.pseudodog07

He has an existance in your life. You just refuse to look for it.

You give Christians a bad name. Get off your high horse, and don't say things like that. The mere existence of God is debatable, so how can you argue that he has an existence in his life, with such assuredness? You can't. Plus, for someone so omnipotent and everpresent, he sure is sneaky with his intangibility (or rather, I would contend, nonexistence). He doesn't have a role in many people's lives, and the role he does have in the lives' of most is due to deep spirituality, that, or he is just a figment of their wild imaginations.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]And I am a person who is no fan of god. I don't care if you're a little kid, and administrator of gamespot, or a god. I don't have praise or friendship for you, nor reason to praise or befriend you if you don't have an exsistance in my life. Being powerful is no exsistance to me.pseudodog07

He has an existance in your life. You just refuse to look for it.

I look for it but unless he exsisted to me before the age of 13 (I have very little memory of everything 3 years ago and back), then I have never seen a thing that isn't a natural coarse of life and scientifically explainable.

The main reason I hate god is peoples belief that he writes destiny. God isn't playing with my like a finger puppet, I write my own life. If he wants me going to church praising him every sunday for my life, he should make it a bit more clear hes done something in my life.

[QUOTE="pseudodog07"]

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]And I am a person who is no fan of god. I don't care if you're a little kid, and administrator of gamespot, or a god. I don't have praise or friendship for you, nor reason to praise or befriend you if you don't have an exsistance in my life. Being powerful is no exsistance to me.Panzer-schreck

He has an existance in your life. You just refuse to look for it.

You give Christians a bad name. Get off your high horse, and don't say things like that. The mere existence of God is debatable, so how can you argue that he has an existence in his life, with such assuredness? You can't. Plus, for someone so omnipotent and everpresent, he sure is sneaky with his intangibility (or rather, I would contend, nonexistence). He doesn't have a role in many people's lives, and the role he does have in the lives' of most is due to deep spirituality, that, or he is just a figment of their wild imaginations.

regardless how much you fight it, every man, woman, and child knows of the existence of a god...

[QUOTE="pseudodog07"]

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]And I am a person who is no fan of god. I don't care if you're a little kid, and administrator of gamespot, or a god. I don't have praise or friendship for you, nor reason to praise or befriend you if you don't have an exsistance in my life. Being powerful is no exsistance to me.Panzer-schreck

He has an existance in your life. You just refuse to look for it.

You give Christians a bad name. Get off your high horse, and don't say things like that. The mere existence of God is debatable, so how can you argue that he has an existence in his life, with such assuredness? You can't. Plus, for someone so omnipotent and everpresent, he sure is sneaky with his intangibility (or rather, I would contend, nonexistence). He doesn't have a role in many people's lives, and the role he does have in the lives' of most is due to deep spirituality, that, or he is just a figment of their wild imaginations.

I know God is real. If people refer to my posts I just might say something back. Look out! Run for your lives!

[QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]

Why is it that my arguments are being ignored? Screw this, I'm arguing with a bunch of idiots anyways, and at the end of the day, nobody's mind is changed.

I have better things to do.

Panzer-schreck

I answered the question. If you have more questions ask the Lord above. You might just get an answer.

Dear god, why havn't you had any trace of a presence in any recorded history?

:|

:|

:|

Nope, no answer yet.

That's certainly in the eye of the beholder. And sometimes it takes decades for God to answer.

"When I was a kid I used to pray to God for a bike. Then I realised God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike, and prayed to God for forgiveness."

- Emo Phillips

God is not for stealing.

Can't take a joke, can you? Emo Phillips is a comedian.

My point was that prayer, and asking "God" questions are both useless tactics. Prayer might give people ease of mind, but it won't help them with whatever they want.

You know, if you think about it, prayer is just verbal masturbation It doesn't serve any useful purpose, but it makes you feel better when you're done. (I have no idea where that thought came from.) :)

[QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]

Can't take a joke, can you? Emo Phillips is a comedian.

My point was that prayer, and asking "God" questions are both useless tactics. Prayer might give people ease of mind, but it won't help them with whatever they want.

rinkegekido2110

You know, if you think about it, prayer is just verbal masturbation It doesn't serve any useful purpose, but it makes you feel better when you're done. (I have no idea where that thought came from.) :)

I love the ideals of Taoism and Confusism. They give the exact same spiritual feeling of religion without having to pray to an entity that doesn't exsist and never notices you. Not tha I follow either, I just like them for that.

Because this is Satan's world not Jehovah's. He's testing old Satan by letting him do what he wants, then he'll get him.Proobie44

if one is to believe the acts said in various texts about him, there's no reason to test Satan. even if you aren't omniscient.

[QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="pseudodog07"][QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]

Why is it that my arguments are being ignored? Screw this, I'm arguing with a bunch of idiots anyways, and at the end of the day, nobody's mind is changed.

I have better things to do.

rinkegekido2110

I answered the question. If you have more questions ask the Lord above. You might just get an answer.

Dear god, why havn't you had any trace of a presence in any recorded history?

:|

:|

:|

Nope, no answer yet.

That's certainly in the eye of the beholder. And sometimes it takes decades for God to answer.

"When I was a kid I used to pray to God for a bike. Then I realised God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike, and prayed to God for forgiveness."

- Emo Phillips

God is not for stealing.

Can't take a joke, can you? Emo Phillips is a comedian.

My point was that prayer, and asking "God" questions are both useless tactics. Prayer might give people ease of mind, but it won't help them with whatever they want.

You know, if you think about it, prayer is just verbal masturbation It doesn't serve any useful purpose, but it makes you feel better when you're done. (I have no idea where that thought came from.) :)

I never knew it was proven that prayer does anything good or bad... (scientifically) so how can you say that?