Why would anyone support the death penalty?

Now i know you guys think killing is is wrong, and yes i think so ture.

But a factor has come in, our prisons are filling up and running out of room. It very hard to change a person after what they done, but then again, why fix the broken when you can teach and protect the kids to not do the things the criminals do.

With more voliant crimes higher then ever, and since the prisons can't hold much more before being over run. Shouldn't we start Executing the most violent and insane criminals more offon that-is determine unsuitable to return back to the out side? Putting people in jail for life is a long time for one person, and nothing comes out of it beside having that spot filled for 50 years +,

I know you guys going to bash me for this, but this is after Off topic after all and this is my own opion.

sorry for spelling

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] So you care more about the criminal than the victim? You care more about the killer than the person he killed? Why should someone who killed someone in cold blood be given a second chance when the person he killed will never be given another chance? That doesn't make any sense at all. Life in prison without parole or death, there is no option C. MoonMarvel

I only support the death penalty for pedophiles and paul bernardo.

It's been proven time and time again that pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated, so therefore wasting public funding on them is pointless. If there is no death penalty for them, a removal of sexual organs is a good comprimise since most claim that they cannot prevent said feelings, remove the parts, remove the sexual attraction.

[QUOTE="shemrom"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Our jails are crowed because we throw people in jail for non-violent crimes. You can lower this by not throwing people in jail everytime they bat an eyelash.MoonMarvel

I only support the death penalty for pedophiles and paul bernardo.

It's been proven time and time again that pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated, so therefore wasting public funding on them is pointless. If there is no death penalty for them, a removal of sexual organs is a good comprimise since most claim that they cannot prevent said feelings, remove the parts, remove the sexual attraction.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] Life in prison is a chance at life still. As I've said, people should strive to be more than fair.BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="shemrom"] never less, they are still over flowing. something must be done about this, Maybe build more prisons. That would create some jobs and might improve the economy a little bit. heheshemrom

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

I only support the death penalty for pedophiles and paul bernardo.

It's been proven time and time again that pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated, so therefore wasting public funding on them is pointless. If there is no death penalty for them, a removal of sexual organs is a good comprimise since most claim that they cannot prevent said feelings, remove the parts, remove the sexual attraction.

BrainScramble05

I only support the death penalty for pedophiles and paul bernardo.

It's been proven time and time again that pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated, so therefore wasting public funding on them is pointless. If there is no death penalty for them, a removal of sexual organs is a good comprimise since most claim that they cannot prevent said feelings, remove the parts, remove the sexual attraction.

I know one difficulty that rose up had to do with prison-based gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood.

The leaders generally were on multiple life-sentences anyway, so they ended up killing and maiming people in prison and organizing murders/crimes/etc outside of prison with impunity.

All that ever happened if they were caught was the addition of another life sentence and some time in solitary. Essentially, since they were in prison for life anyway, they could kill whoever they wished and do whatever they wanted.

[QUOTE="mad80boy"] The death penalty is considered to be the ultimate denial of human rights.Cedmln

FALSE. If you commit a crime. You lose a certain right and will pay for it. If we allowed everyone the freedom to do anything they wish. This world would be in ruins.

What the??? Pedophilia is a sickness what kind pseudo-Nazi country would accept something as crazy as killing the sick in today's western world.Oscar-Wilde

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] I strive for Justice and Justice is fair. And you didn't anwser my questions.MoonMarvel

Shouldn't the law be focusing on rehabilitating criminals instead? C'mon, it's barbaric. Is it wise to teach people not to kill... by killing them? I can't speak with raw facts on my side, but I don't think that the capital punishment lowers crime rates in general. It's a society's simplistic way of correcting its own problems, I say! BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"]Shouldn't the law be focusing on rehabilitating criminals instead? C'mon, it's barbaric. Is it wise to teach people not to kill... by killing them? I can't speak with raw facts on my side, but I don't think that the capital punishment lowers crime rates in general. It's a society's simplistic way of correcting its own problems, I say! superheromonkey

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] Justice is fair for some. That's why not all laws apply in every country. Going beyond a perception of what is fair is always more beneficial, because what is more than fair for some can be fair for others, but what is fair for some can be unfair for others. I thought the question was rhetorical. It's just fair that we see if he can change. Besides, the only way of taking away his chance at life is killing him. Why should I degrade myself by killing a captive? These are cycles of perpetual violence, and everyone thinks that what he's doing is fair. Must I say, "two wrongs don't make a right?" The question itself is simplistic in nature.BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Justice is supposed to be fair for the vicitm not the criminal. If somebody kills a kid justice is punishment equal to the crime and what is fair for the kid and his parents not the criminal. If you strive for what is fair for the criminal than his idea of fair is being let free, so going for beyond fair never works because what is fair for the criminal may not be what is fair for everybody else. And no, doesn't matter if he changes because he ended a life and that person will never get a second chance and neither should he. I dont find it degrading to end the life of a person who killed 40 children, obviously he doesn't value human life so why should I value his? And how could you say two wrongs don't make a right when not everybody thinks one of them is wrong? Who decides whats right and whats wrong?superheromonkey

[QUOTE="superheromonkey"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"]Shouldn't the law be focusing on rehabilitating criminals instead? C'mon, it's barbaric. Is it wise to teach people not to kill... by killing them? I can't speak with raw facts on my side, but I don't think that the capital punishment lowers crime rates in general. It's a society's simplistic way of correcting its own problems, I say! BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Justice is supposed to be fair for the vicitm not the criminal. If somebody kills a kid justice is punishment equal to the crime and what is fair for the kid and his parents not the criminal. If you strive for what is fair for the criminal than his idea of fair is being let free, so going for beyond fair never works because what is fair for the criminal may not be what is fair for everybody else. And no, doesn't matter if he changes because he ended a life and that person will never get a second chance and neither should he. I dont find it degrading to end the life of a person who killed 40 children, obviously he doesn't value human life so why should I value his? And how could you say two wrongs don't make a right when not everybody thinks one of them is wrong? Who decides whats right and whats wrong?superheromonkey

Justice is about protection and rehabilitation, not termination. The death penalty doesn't seem very efficient. You're trying to stop other people from commiting crimes by killing the criminals. It's teaching not to kill by killing, plain and simple.

[QUOTE="superheromonkey"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] I don't really think that most people who commit cold-blooded crimes would have the intellectual honesty to see no punishment as being fair, but that's beside the point. Striving for what is fair for the criminal is different from what the criminal believes to be fair. Essentially, you believe in taking life to stop people from taking life. We already went through this argument, as a matter of fact. Continuing would just mean repeating it. "It doesn't matter" is hardly any substance for a good discussion. Who decides what matters and what doesn't?Funky_Llama

Shouldn't the law be focusing on rehabilitating criminals instead? C'mon, it's barbaric. Is it wise to teach people not to kill... by killing them? I can't speak with raw facts on my side, but I don't think that the capital punishment lowers crime rates in general. It's a society's simplistic way of correcting its own problems, I say! BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="superheromonkey"] Death Penalty is not just about stopping people from taking life, it is about justice. You take someones life you give up the right to yours. It has been this way since law was invented practically. superheromonkey

[QUOTE="superheromonkey"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] I don't really think that most people who commit cold-blooded crimes would have the intellectual honesty to see no punishment as being fair, but that's beside the point. Striving for what is fair for the criminal is different from what the criminal believes to be fair. Essentially, you believe in taking life to stop people from taking life. We already went through this argument, as a matter of fact. Continuing would just mean repeating it. "It doesn't matter" is hardly any substance for a good discussion. Who decides what matters and what doesn't?BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="superheromonkey"] Death Penalty is not just about stopping people from taking life, it is about justice. You take someones life you give up the right to yours. It has been this way since law was invented practically. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"]Shouldn't the law be focusing on rehabilitating criminals instead? C'mon, it's barbaric. Is it wise to teach people not to kill... by killing them? I can't speak with raw facts on my side, but I don't think that the capital punishment lowers crime rates in general. It's a society's simplistic way of correcting its own problems, I say! bsman00

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="superheromonkey"] Death Penalty is not just about stopping people from taking life, it is about justice. You take someones life you give up the right to yours. It has been this way since law was invented practically. superheromonkey

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="superheromonkey"] Death Penalty is not just about stopping people from taking life, it is about justice. You take someones life you give up the right to yours. It has been this way since law was invented practically. superheromonkey

[QUOTE="superheromonkey"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]What's just about it? And how it follow if that I kill someone, I should die?BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="superheromonkey"] Don't feign ignorance, like it is somehow preposterous that by you taking somebody elses life into your hands and ending it that the same should be done to you as punishment. superheromonkey

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"]Shouldn't the law be focusing on rehabilitating criminals instead? C'mon, it's barbaric. Is it wise to teach people not to kill... by killing them? I can't speak with raw facts on my side, but I don't think that the capital punishment lowers crime rates in general. It's a society's simplistic way of correcting its own problems, I say! BrainScramble05

Imagine you have a little sister and or a little brother say about 8 years old...now say some 40 year old guy kidnaps, abuses and rapes your brother and or sister.... i really dont know whats worse than a child getting rapped...that the lowest thing you can do... and people who do that should be dead... whats the point keeping them in prison... we pay for there food, they have a place to stay every night... shoot they could even make friends in there... eff that all child molesters should be dead....

I don't really get why it's still in use. It's a complete waste of money spent on judiciary processes and then people sentenced to death sit there on death row for years before anything happens, and it's not even a very good deterrent to crime. There's plenty of things that a few million dollars per death row trial could be better spent on.Blood-Scribe

What makes you think its not a good deterrent?

[QUOTE="superheromonkey"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] Why?BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I don't really get why it's still in use. It's a complete waste of money spent on judiciary processes and then people sentenced to death sit there on death row for years before anything happens, and it's not even a very good deterrent to crime. There's plenty of things that a few million dollars per death row trial could be better spent on.Zerocrossings

What makes you think its not a good deterrent?

The fact that crime rates in the states that do utilize the death penalty are the ones with the highest crime rates. And if someone is involved in criminal activities, they probably wouldn't care all that much about whether or not they live once they go into prison, assuming they've committed a highly punishable crime.

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="bsman00"] Well IMO if anyone rapes a child... they should be dead periodbsman00

Imagine you have a little sister and or a little brother say about 8 years old...now say some 40 year old guy kidnaps, abuses and rapes your brother and or sister.... i really dont know whats worse than a child getting rapped...that the lowest thing you can do... and people who do that should be dead... whats the point keeping them in prison... we pay for there food, they have a place to stay every night... shoot they could even make friends in there... eff that all child molesters should be dead....

[QUOTE="superheromonkey"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind".-Sun_Tzu-

I don't really get why it's still in use. It's a complete waste of money spent on judiciary processes and then people sentenced to death sit there on death row for years before anything happens, and it's not even a very good deterrent to crime. There's plenty of things that a few million dollars per death row trial could be better spent on.Blood-Scribe

What makes you think its not a good deterrent?

The fact that crime rates in the states that do utilize the death penalty are the ones with the highest crime rates. And if someone is involved in criminal activities, they probably wouldn't care all that much about whether or not they live once they go into prison, assuming they've committed a highly punishable crime.

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="superheromonkey"] I suppose if i stole money from you that the government is infringing on my right to have private property and pursue happiness by taking money from me and giving to you? It is about retribution. superheromonkey

[[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="superheromonkey"] That is why everyone does not get the death penalty, it is reserved for especially heinous crimes. superheromonkey

[QUOTE="superheromonkey"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] One of them doesn't seem very constructive. Maybe rapists should get raped too. Oh, and please, no prison jokes.BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]

What makes you think its not a good deterrent?

superheromonkey

The fact that crime rates in the states that do utilize the death penalty are the ones with the highest crime rates. And if someone is involved in criminal activities, they probably wouldn't care all that much about whether or not they live once they go into prison, assuming they've committed a highly punishable crime.

[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I don't really get why it's still in use. It's a complete waste of money spent on judiciary processes and then people sentenced to death sit there on death row for years before anything happens, and it's not even a very good deterrent to crime. There's plenty of things that a few million dollars per death row trial could be better spent on.Blood-Scribe

What makes you think its not a good deterrent?

The fact that crime rates in the states that do utilize the death penalty are the ones with the highest crime rates. And if someone is involved in criminal activities, they probably wouldn't care all that much about whether or not they live once they go into prison, assuming they've committed a highly punishable crime.

What if the rates are actually higher without the death penalty? Your argument does work for some cases in which the criminals already have a firm resolve to die, but im sure there are many who held back their actions fearing death.