Why would anyone support the death penalty?

There's worse than that. Isn't it enough if they stay in prison for an indefinite amount of time? Why is it just to kill captives? Why is it fair to kill someone that is already completely defenseless, even if he has done terrible crimes ? The death penalty just isn't necessary.BrainScramble05

Imagine you have a little sister and or a little brother say about 8 years old...now say some 40 year old guy kidnaps, abuses and rapes your brother and or sister.... i really dont know whats worse than a child getting rapped...that the lowest thing you can do... and people who do that should be dead... whats the point keeping them in prison... we pay for there food, they have a place to stay every night... shoot they could even make friends in there... eff that all child molesters should be dead....

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="superheromonkey"] Maybe they deserve to be, unfortunately the government deems that form of punishment virtually impossible to administer. superheromonkey

[QUOTE="superheromonkey"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

The fact that crime rates in the states that do utilize the death penalty are the ones with the highest crime rates. And if someone is involved in criminal activities, they probably wouldn't care all that much about whether or not they live once they go into prison, assuming they've committed a highly punishable crime.

-Sun_Tzu-

What if the reason which caused them to implement death penalties is due to the higher crime rate itself?

I mean, if a state has low crime rates, why would it need the death penalty? :?

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="bsman00"]

Imagine you have a little sister and or a little brother say about 8 years old...now say some 40 year old guy kidnaps, abuses and rapes your brother and or sister.... i really dont know whats worse than a child getting rapped...that the lowest thing you can do... and people who do that should be dead... whats the point keeping them in prison... we pay for there food, they have a place to stay every night... shoot they could even make friends in there... eff that all child molesters should be dead....

bsman00

[QUOTE="superheromonkey"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

The fact that crime rates in the states that do utilize the death penalty are the ones with the highest crime rates. And if someone is involved in criminal activities, they probably wouldn't care all that much about whether or not they live once they go into prison, assuming they've committed a highly punishable crime.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="superheromonkey"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] Right. Raping someone and setting them free? Interesting sense of justice. Interesting method of rehabilitation.BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="superheromonkey"] Death Penalty is not just about stopping people from taking life, it is about justice. You take someones life you give up the right to yours. It has been this way since law was invented practically. superheromonkey

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]

What makes you think its not a good deterrent?

Zerocrossings

The fact that crime rates in the states that do utilize the death penalty are the ones with the highest crime rates. And if someone is involved in criminal activities, they probably wouldn't care all that much about whether or not they live once they go into prison, assuming they've committed a highly punishable crime.

What if the rates are actually higher without the death penalty? Your argument does work for some cases in which the criminals already have a firm resolve to die, but im sure there are many who held back their actions fearing death.

It depends on the views of the criminal, but personally, I think it would be a hell of a lot worse to sit through a life sentence and then dying by old age or getting killed by an inmate in prison, rather than sitting on my ass for a decade or two on death row and then getting a free pass out of jail. So then it's not entirely quantifiable, but this would hinge on the results from states that switched their status.

But either way, it's still a horrible waste of money, and that money could be put towards much more effective deterrents to criminal activities. I'd go into more depth about it, but I need to go to school.

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] That's why *I* don't get to be the law. A neutral perspective is required and I don't think any victims should judge the criminals. BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="bsman00"]

Imagine you have a little sister and or a little brother say about 8 years old...now say some 40 year old guy kidnaps, abuses and rapes your brother and or sister.... i really dont know whats worse than a child getting rapped...that the lowest thing you can do... and people who do that should be dead... whats the point keeping them in prison... we pay for there food, they have a place to stay every night... shoot they could even make friends in there... eff that all child molesters should be dead....

bsman00

I mean, if a state has low crime rates, why would it need the death penalty? :?

Zerocrossings

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] That's why *I* don't get to be the law. A neutral perspective is required and I don't think any victims should judge the criminals. BrainScramble05

Quick facts on Ted Bundy - he eventually confessed to 30 murders, although the actual total of victims remains unknown. Estimates range from 29 to over 100, the general estimate being 35. Typically, Bundy would bludgeon his victims, then strangle them to death. He also engaged in rape and necrophilia.

The man for sure killed and raped over 30 women, so your saying for him we should have just locked him up for life??? thats crazy... the only reason i pick the death penalty is because torture is not allowed

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="bsman00"] Ok..... All im saying is there is some crimes that deserve death... do you think we should have kept Ted Bundy in prison?bsman00

Quick facts on Ted Bundy - he eventually confessed to 30 murders, although the actual total of victims remains unknown. Estimates range from 29 to over 100, the general estimate being 35. Typically, Bundy would bludgeon his victims, then strangle them to death. He also engaged in rape and necrophilia.

The man for sure killed and raped over 30 women, so your saying for him we should have just locked him up for life??? thats crazy... the only reason i pick the death penalty is because torture is not allowed

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="bsman00"] Ok..... All im saying is there is some crimes that deserve death... do you think we should have kept Ted Bundy in prison?bsman00

Quick facts on Ted Bundy - he eventually confessed to 30 murders, although the actual total of victims remains unknown. Estimates range from 29 to over 100, the general estimate being 35. Typically, Bundy would bludgeon his victims, then strangle them to death. He also engaged in rape and necrophilia.

The man for sure killed and raped over 30 women, so your saying for him we should have just locked him up for life??? thats crazy... the only reason i pick the death penalty is because torture is not allowed

[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]I mean, if a state has low crime rates, why would it need the death penalty? :?

-Sun_Tzu-

Maybe because Virginia had a high crime rate initially, and the death penalty helped reduced it?

I think death penalty is perfectly fine. Why? I guess its because im pro-choice, that would give anyone a distorted view on human values, or atleast, thats what im told. Right?BiancaDK

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="bsman00"] Ok..... All im saying is there is some crimes that deserve death... do you think we should have kept Ted Bundy in prison?bsman00

Quick facts on Ted Bundy - he eventually confessed to 30 murders, although the actual total of victims remains unknown. Estimates range from 29 to over 100, the general estimate being 35. Typically, Bundy would bludgeon his victims, then strangle them to death. He also engaged in rape and necrophilia.

The man for sure killed and raped over 30 women, so your saying for him we should have just locked him up for life??? thats crazy... the only reason i pick the death penalty is because torture is not allowed

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]I think death penalty is perfectly fine. Why? I guess its because im pro-choice, that would give anyone a distorted view on human values, or atleast, thats what im told. Right?BrainScramble05

Uh, there's a whole Wiki article on him and I don't know who he is. I was thinking he may be related to Al Bundy... Anyway, yeah. I don't need to see every possible example of a freak to make up my mind.BrainScramble05

Quick facts on Ted Bundy - he eventually confessed to 30 murders, although the actual total of victims remains unknown. Estimates range from 29 to over 100, the general estimate being 35. Typically, Bundy would bludgeon his victims, then strangle them to death. He also engaged in rape and necrophilia.

The man for sure killed and raped over 30 women, so your saying for him we should have just locked him up for life??? thats crazy... the only reason i pick the death penalty is because torture is not allowed

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"]I think death penalty is perfectly fine. Why? I guess its because im pro-choice, that would give anyone a distorted view on human values, or atleast, thats what im told. Right?BiancaDK

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="bsman00"]

Quick facts on Ted Bundy - he eventually confessed to 30 murders, although the actual total of victims remains unknown. Estimates range from 29 to over 100, the general estimate being 35. Typically, Bundy would bludgeon his victims, then strangle them to death. He also engaged in rape and necrophilia.

The man for sure killed and raped over 30 women, so your saying for him we should have just locked him up for life??? thats crazy... the only reason i pick the death penalty is because torture is not allowed

bsman00

Shouldn't the law be focusing on rehabilitating criminals instead? C'mon, it's barbaric. Is it wise to teach people not to kill... by killing them? I can't speak with raw facts on my side, but I don't think that the capital punishment lowers crime rates in general. It's a society's simplistic way of correcting its own problems, I say! BrainScramble05

I find nothing wrong with it. Not all life should be considered sacred, or whatever you wanna call it. Some people just deserve it, especially horrible crimes.tzar3

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"]Shouldn't the law be focusing on rehabilitating criminals instead? C'mon, it's barbaric. Is it wise to teach people not to kill... by killing them? I can't speak with raw facts on my side, but I don't think that the capital punishment lowers crime rates in general. It's a society's simplistic way of correcting its own problems, I say! AirGuitarist87

I want to...BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="bsman00"]

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] Uh, there's a whole Wiki article on him and I don't know who he is. I was thinking he may be related to Al Bundy... Anyway, yeah. I don't need to see every possible example of a freak to make up my mind.Funky_Llama

Quick facts on Ted Bundy - he eventually confessed to 30 murders, although the actual total of victims remains unknown. Estimates range from 29 to over 100, the general estimate being 35. Typically, Bundy would bludgeon his victims, then strangle them to death. He also engaged in rape and necrophilia.

The man for sure killed and raped over 30 women, so your saying for him we should have just locked him up for life??? thats crazy... the only reason i pick the death penalty is because torture is not allowed

My view of justice i guess is different than yours... i have very strong feelings of hate towards people who take advantage of others.... rapping of women and children is the worse.... if we just keep people like Ted Bundy in prison the just take up space and waste our money

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"]I want to...BiancaDK

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"]Shouldn't the law be focusing on rehabilitating criminals instead? C'mon, it's barbaric. Is it wise to teach people not to kill... by killing them? I can't speak with raw facts on my side, but I don't think that the capital punishment lowers crime rates in general. It's a society's simplistic way of correcting its own problems, I say! BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]I mean, if a state has low crime rates, why would it need the death penalty? :?

Zerocrossings

Maybe because Virginia had a high crime rate initially, and the death penalty helped reduced it?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="bsman00"]

Quick facts on Ted Bundy - he eventually confessed to 30 murders, although the actual total of victims remains unknown. Estimates range from 29 to over 100, the general estimate being 35. Typically, Bundy would bludgeon his victims, then strangle them to death. He also engaged in rape and necrophilia.

The man for sure killed and raped over 30 women, so your saying for him we should have just locked him up for life??? thats crazy... the only reason i pick the death penalty is because torture is not allowed

bsman00

My view of justice i guess is different than yours... i have very strong feelings of hate towards people who take advantage of others.... rapping of women and children is the worse.... if we just keep people like Ted Bundy in prison the just take up space and waste our money

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] Why kill a prisoner? It just doesn't make sense. Why terminate someone that is incapable of doing any harm?BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Why?BrainScramble05

My view of justice i guess is different than yours... i have very strong feelings of hate towards people who take advantage of others.... rapping of women and children is the worse.... if we just keep people like Ted Bundy in prison the just take up space and waste our money

YOu sound like you have more sympathy for the Criminal than the victim... im thinking about the victims

So, you think it's okay either way?BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="bsman00"] Ted bundy broke out of prison twicebsman00

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] That's the law's fault. Killing doesn't justify your own mistakes.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] I'm sure everyone here has met at least one person they would deem "beyond help" when it comes to behaving. The idea behind capital punishment is not to "teach" anyone anything, it's there to remove people from society permanently who are, and always will be, a serious danger to others.AirGuitarist87

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="bsman00"] Hypothetical question... someone kidnaps and rapes and kills your mom... what should be the punishment?bsman00

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="bsman00"] Ted bundy broke out of prison twicebsman00

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="bsman00"]

My view of justice i guess is different than yours... i have very strong feelings of hate towards people who take advantage of others.... rapping of women and children is the worse.... if we just keep people like Ted Bundy in prison the just take up space and waste our money

bsman00

YOu sound like you have more sympathy for the Criminal than the victim... im thinking about the victims

No, I'm not sympathetic to the mass murderers or child rapists and many other whackos who got the capital punishment.

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] How can criminals be a danger to others if they are in jail? I disagree; in fact, I think the death penalty has always been used into scaring others to not commit crimes.BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] Even if executing a person wouldn't be more expensive than keeping him alive, I'd rather see prisoners not killed. It's unnecessarily cruel.BrainScramble05

YOu sound like you have more sympathy for the Criminal than the victim... im thinking about the victims

What?!?

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] That's the law's fault. Killing doesn't justify your own mistakes.BrainScramble05

[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] Ever heard of a shank? You've forgotten that "other prisoners" still count as "other people", not to mention prison staff. The death penalty as a deterrent is a secondary, but still a powerful, factor. The thing being that capital punishment will always be reserved for the most extreme of cases, and those that commit these cases will be the kind of individuals who would do it regardless of what situation they find themselves in.AirGuitarist87

[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You tell me. Why does Virginia need the death penalty when it ranks 35th in crime rate among the 50 states? -Sun_Tzu-

Maybe because Virginia had a high crime rate initially, and the death penalty helped reduced it?

So..many..numbers 0_o

Anyway, like i said earlier, what if the reason for death penalties to be implemented is due to high crimerates itself? For example, a state (State A) has low controllable crime rates and does not need to implement death penalties, while another state (State B) with a high out of control crime rate feels the need of it and implements it. So naturally, even though State B has the Death penalty and state A does not, crimerates in state A would still be lower and dropping at a faster rate as its crime rate is lower and more controllable in the first place.

So even though State B crime rates are falling at a slower rate, what makes you think that it wouldnt fall at an even slower rate (Or rise) if there wasnt a death penalty?

And im going to bed now, got a busy day tommorow.

YOu sound like you have more sympathy for the Criminal than the victim... im thinking about the victims

What?!?

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] I blame the prisons.BrainScramble05