Why would anyone support the death penalty?

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#201 muthsera666
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[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="BrainScramble05"] Why the heck did this Nietzsche copy Yoda? No one can unwillingly lose their right to live unless it is taken away from them. It's a disgusting method altogether; an attempt to reduce crimes through cruelty. It is the work of tyrants and human civilizations as a whole have progressed when extreme physical punishments were no longer acceptable. It comes out of a sadistic ingenuity to inflict pain and kill. I could never see killing your own prisoners as just. That is why I advocate that people should be kind. A large part of the world doesn't need it and it can get along just fine; it just isn't necessary.sSubZerOo
You're kidding about the Yoda thing, right? The right to life is contingent upon the manner by which you treat fellow humans. It is not sadism; sadism is pain for the sake of pleasure. This is in the interest of justice. I wish that these considerations were not necessary, but until fiends such as these cease to plague the species, they must be dealt with. Kindness is all well and good, and a great ideal to live toward. I would love it if the entire world could get along, and we could respect the beliefs of others. That would make me incredibly happy. Sadly, that won't happen for a while yet, so we must live in the imperfect world, where some individuals take pleasure in raping and murdering those who have not infringed upon the perpetrator. They must be punished.

Where does torture of the preson fit into justice? Justice is about order, not appeasement or retribution.. Torturing a prisoner does not solve anything in our society, and it warps are perceptions of human rights. drunk drivers who hit people arn't tied into a car or tree to hav ea car hit them, they are given time in prison.. We do not follow an eye for an eye, when we did it was dark ages.

Again, it is not torture, but the just revisiting of the crime upon the criminal. Justice is about repaying for one's deeds. Drunk drivers are not the people I am discussing. Perhaps for them, prison is the best course of action. I have dealt exclusively in the realm of serial killers/rapists. I have made it abundantly clear that I do not believe every instance of homicide deserves the DS. It is not my fault if you do not completely read my arguments. We might not follow the idea of an eye for an eye exactly, but that is what the prison system is for. An eye for an eye means recompense for the crime. For low level crimes, prison is acceptable. For more extreme cases, it is not enough.
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#202 kayn83
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I don't support the death penalty because it is actually more expensive, if I'm not mistaken... when you account the appeals and the amount of time the prisoner spends in prison waiting on death row.

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#203 muthsera666
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Sorry guys. I have to go to lunch, and then I have class. It was a good debate, and maybe we can continue at a later point in time. Until then, take care.
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#204 BrainScramble05
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[QUOTE="BrainScramble05"][QUOTE="muthsera666"] Or Nietzsche "If you stare into Abyss long enough, the Abyss stares back into you." I didn't say to repay every criminal in the exact same way. As I already said, prison for some is justice served. And guess what. The Jedi were wiped out by the Sith. And I don't support the DS out of impulse. It is a conclusion I have reached after careful consideration on several occasions. There are several kinds of people who forfeit their right to live among humans.muthsera666
Why the heck did this Nietzsche copy Yoda? No one can unwillingly lose their right to live unless it is taken away from them. It's a disgusting method altogether; an attempt to reduce crimes through cruelty. It is the work of tyrants and human civilizations as a whole have progressed when extreme physical punishments were no longer acceptable. It comes out of a sadistic ingenuity to inflict pain and kill. I could never see killing your own prisoners as just. That is why I advocate that people should be kind. A large part of the world doesn't need it and it can get along just fine; it just isn't necessary.

You're kidding about the Yoda thing, right? The right to life is contingent upon the manner by which you treat fellow humans. It is not sadism; sadism is pain for the sake of pleasure. This is in the interest of justice. I wish that these considerations were not necessary, but until fiends such as these cease to plague the species, they must be dealt with. Kindness is all well and good, and a great ideal to live toward. I would love it if the entire world could get along, and we could respect the beliefs of others. That would make me incredibly happy. Sadly, that won't happen for a while yet, so we must live in the imperfect world, where some individuals take pleasure in raping and murdering those who have not infringed upon the perpetrator. They must be punished.

I get the feeling that your sense of justice might be described as pain for the sake of satisfaction. Justifiyng killing in the name of justice is no different from excusing crimes, because they are in the name of God. It can be demonstrated that killing prisoners is unnecessary by observing the legal system of other countries who do not advocate the death penalty. Killing in the name of God, killing in the name of justice - they all can be used as excuses. Something that is unnecessary and destructive is unhealthy for a culture's harmony.
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#205 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]

Maybe because Virginia had a high crime rate initially, and the death penalty helped reduced it?

Zerocrossings

Why is it that the murder rate in states that use capital punishment has decreased at a slower rate than state without the death penalty. In 1990 states with and without the death penalty had a similar murder rate, with there being only a 4% difference between the two, but in 2007 that gap has widened to a 42% difference. States without capital punishment have seen their murder rates drop at a much faster rate than states with capital punishment.

So..many..numbers 0_o

Anyway, like i said earlier, what if the reason for death penalties to be implemented is due to high crimerates itself? For example, a state (State A) has low controllable crime rates and does not need to implement death penalties, while another state (State B) with a high out of control crime rate feels the need of it and implements it. So naturally, even though State B has the Death penalty and state A does not, crimerates in state A would still be lower and dropping at a faster rate as its crime rate is lower and more controllable in the first place.

So even though State B crime rates are falling at a slower rate, what makes you think that it wouldnt fall at an even slower rate (Or rise) if there wasnt a death penalty?

And im going to bed now, got a busy day tommorow.

I don't understand what a "controllable" crime rate is and what are you basing your overall assumption on?
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#206 Bloodbath_87
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The death penalty is the easy way out. I would much rather be more or less put to sleep (forever) than have to sit in prison forever.
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#207 foxhound_fox
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Because plenty of people have been brought up to believe "an eye for an eye" is an acceptable idiom under all circumstances. But they fail to remember that this isn't ancient times anymore... we have things called democratic systems and laws in place that allow for fair trials, and proper justice.

Vengeance might feel good but it makes you just as much a criminal as the person who you are getting it against.
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#208 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Vengeance might feel good but it makes you just as much a criminal as the person who you are getting it against.foxhound_fox
That's why you let the state do it. They're all criminals anyway, so no skin off my back.
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#209 super_mario_128
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Shouldn't the law be focusing on rehabilitating criminals instead? C'mon, it's barbaric. Is it wise to teach people not to kill... by killing them? I can't speak with raw facts on my side, but I don't think that the capital punishment lowers crime rates in general. It's a society's simplistic way of correcting its own problems, I say! BrainScramble05
People know the basis by which they should behave in today's society. If they break the law, then they deserve what they get; not 'rehabilitation' and a chance at life again. "C'mon, it's barbaric." - And allowing murderers, rapists and thieves onto the streets is something we should all support!
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#210 robobie
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You have a good point but i say if you take someones life on purpose, for no reason then yours should be taken. An eye for an eye as they say.TheFragcat

If it was like that we would all be blind because no one is perfect

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#211 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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If it was like that we would all be blind because no one is perfect

robobie
How many people's eyes have you taken out in your life?
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#212 dooncan
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i only think the death penalty is right in the cases of mass murderers like Hitler
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#213 robobie
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[QUOTE="robobie"]

If it was like that we would all be blind because no one is perfect

Jandurin

How many people's eyes have you taken out in your life?

4 or 5... could be 6.

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#214 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="robobie"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="robobie"]

If it was like that we would all be blind because no one is perfect

How many people's eyes have you taken out in your life?

4 or 5... could be 6.

Well then. You would've gone blind after the first, and the other poor souls would still be able to see!
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#215 robobie
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[QUOTE="robobie"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] How many people's eyes have you taken out in your life?Jandurin

4 or 5... could be 6.

Well then. You would've gone blind after the first, and the other poor souls would still be able to see!

I am blind. After people realised that they couldn't take my eyes the just started clawing at my face.

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#216 pygmahia5
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it fully depends on the person. take charles manson for example. now, he had a cult and killed people out of cold blood. he knew what he was doing. he screwed over the manson "family." those kids were more or less innocent and just wanted someone to care for them. he took advantage of their lonliness. i believe that he should be executed. also pre meditated murderers should be executed also.
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#217 pygmahia5
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it fully depends on the person. take charles manson for example. now, he had a cult and killed people out of cold blood. he knew what he was doing. he screwed over the manson "family." those kids were more or less innocent and just wanted someone to care for them. he took advantage of their lonliness. i believe that he should be executed. also pre meditated murderers should be executed also.
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#218 CBR600-RR
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What I would do to the scum that murder is stick them in a stone cell with no bed and just one toilet, and give them sludge food all day. Then see how they like it. You will not believe the prisons here in England, the inmates get to play pool, have tv's in their room, all that kind of crap. It's sickening.
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#219 jus2nyce
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If justice is universal then we'll be rehabilitating men like Hitler Mussolini, Stalin, Saddam. Some people in this world just don't deserve to live.
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#220 iam2green
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they use it because of overload of inmates. by doing this it reduces people.