Why you think Marijuana should be legal/illegal.

I think people shouldn't smoke it... whatever legalization status gets that result works for me.Funkyhamster

[QUOTE="pianist"]As for marijuana, I have seen no evidence to suggest it is dangerous in the way that cocaine, heroin, or other such drugs are. But by the same token, there are no practical benefits to using it recreationally, either. It should be used for its medicinal properties. And so long as third parties are not being affected by its use in a recreational manner, I have no objection to it being legalized. I think people who use it are idiots, though. No matter how much you try to convince yourself, it's never a good idea to voluntarily inhale smoke. Your lungs will not approve. And if you develop any health problems that can be linked to marijuana use, you should foot your own bills... because tax payers should not be expected to support your foolish decisions.Link256

And then there's the probation issue. You can call it whatever you want to call it. The fact of the matter is that as long as the system in place is making it more difficult for people to obtain substances they shouldn't be using, it's doing its job. If you want to call it probation, that's fine. It's certainly not the word I'd use for it, though. Probation suggests that the government is directly regulating the illegal drug trade. That isn't true. The government would really like to stop the illegal drug trade altogether. It just isn't possible. So what the government does by making certain drugs illegal would be better termed 'deterrence.' Its policies are designed to minimize peoples' access to potentially dangerous substances. I'm wondering... did you mean probation or prohibition? The latter would make much more sense.pianist

Otherwise, I am willing to admit when I have lost argument. I have lost this one hard. Really hard.

1. Yes I do. People are capable of controlling their weight through exercise and diet, at least to some extent. There would have to be some discretion used on the part of the physician when deciding whether or not a person is unhealthily fat to the point where he or she should be responsible for his or her own medical expenses... but that would hardly be the only thing in our society that depends on professional opinions (law... art criticism... politics)

2. Then yes, I would agree the government's still trying to enforce prohibition, and probably realizes it's futile as a total prevention measure, but certainly effective as a 'limit the damage' measure. But this would no longer be the case with legalization. The drugs would become part of our culture, just like alcohol and tobacco, and we'd be stuck with them forever.

3. You've lost nothing. You can't lose a discussion. I never really felt this was a debate... though I am pleased if I've brought you over to the 'dark side.' :P

You've lost nothing. You can't lose a discussion. I never really felt this was a debate... though I am pleased if I've brought you over to the 'dark side.' :Ppianist

Otherwise, I thought someone was done for the night? What happen to that? :P

Then yes, I would agree the government's still trying to enforce prohibition, and probably realizes it's futile as a total prevention measure, but certainly effective as a 'limit the damage' measure. But this would no longer be the case with legalization. The drugs would become part of our culture, just like alcohol and tobacco, and we'd be stuck with them forever. pianist

Drugs are for fools. Also, if it is legalized everyone and their uncle will be smoking weed, and people that are high are a pain in the ass to deal with.

Onto the more serious stuff. 8)

"In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke." Not as harmful?

"Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency toward obstructed airways. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers. Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses."

I'll add this, too. :) "One study found that an abuser's risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana."

Drugs are for fools. Also, if it is legalized everyone and their uncle will be smoking weed, and people that are high are a pain in the ass to deal with.

Onto the more serious stuff. 8)

"In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke." Not as harmful?

"Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency toward obstructed airways. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers. Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses."

I'll add this, too. :) "One study found that an abuser's risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana."

d51man

That's fine, and I agree with that, but pro-marijuana/pro-legalization people won't hear that or they will post some 'scientific studies' that 'support' their consumption.

That's fine, and I agree with that, but pro-marijuana/pro-legalization people won't hear that or they will post some 'scientific studies' that 'support' their consumption.eloyc

Even if Marijuana is unhealthily, which is still matter of debate, the law cannot driscriminate on those basis alone. Otherwise, among other things, you would have to apply similar judgement towards junk-food.

[QUOTE="eloyc"]That's fine, and I agree with that, but pro-marijuana/pro-legalization people won't hear that or they will post some 'scientific studies' that 'support' their consumption.Link256

Generalizations are correct if there's a general trend, and the general trend is to deny any clue that could blame marijuana of being unhealthy.

Even if Marijuana is unhealthily, which is still matter of debate, the law cannot driscriminate on those basis alone. Otherwise, among other things, you would have to apply similar judgement towards junk-food.Link256

One: Do I look stupid when I eat a hamburger? I don't think so. Two: you're right, since it should be some kind of regulation about that. Three: even if SOME considered junk food is kinda unhealthy, it hasn't the same effects as marijuana.

[QUOTE="d51man"]

Drugs are for fools. Also, if it is legalized everyone and their uncle will be smoking weed, and people that are high are a pain in the ass to deal with.

Onto the more serious stuff. 8)

"In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke." Not as harmful?

"Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency toward obstructed airways. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers. Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses."

I'll add this, too. :) "One study found that an abuser's risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana."

eloyc

That's fine, and I agree with that, but pro-marijuana/pro-legalization people won't hear that or they will post some 'scientific studies' that 'support' their consumption.

I agree, it sort of like "I want it to be legalized, and nothing can convince me otherwise". That could go both ways though. It's not any more healthy than cigarettes (Obviously, your inhaling smoke into your lungs). Also, you're dangerous when your high.

One: Do I look stupid when I eat a hamburger? I don't think so. Two: you're right, since it should be some kind of regulation about that. Three: even if SOME considered junk food is kinda unhealthy, it hasn't the same effects as marijuana.eloyc

Three: depending on we are talking about, not kinda of unhealthily, lot of unhealthily. Otherwise, what do you by mean by that?

Drugs are for fools. Also, if it is legalized everyone and their uncle will be smoking weed, and people that are high are a pain in the ass to deal with.d51man

[QUOTE="eloyc"]One: Do I look stupid when I eat a hamburger? I don't think so. Two: you're right, since it should be some kind of regulation about that. Three: even if SOME considered junk food is kinda unhealthy, it hasn't the same effects as marijuana.Link256

I think it was so clear that I was talking about people being in their right mind, not just to look stupid. I repeat, when I eat a hamburger, do I sedate my brain?

Three: depending on we are talking about, not kinda of unhealthily, lot of unhealthily. Otherwise, what do you by mean by that?Link256

I mean that hamburgers and french fries just affect if they are consumed a lot. If you smoke a single marijuana cigarette, you're puting smoke into your lungs and you're making yourself brain-dead for a while.

But ok, I already read you would like marijuana to be legal, you read I wouldn't like. We don't think the same. That's it.

I repeat, when I eat a hamburger, do I sedate my brain? eloyc

[QUOTE="eloyc"]I repeat, when I eat a hamburger, do I sedate my brain? Link256

'According to me' the bad thing (so it must be punished by law if it affects somebody) is to get drunk, not to drink a single cup of alcohol. A single cup of alcohol doesn't do the same as a cigarette of marijuana does, you like it or not.

A cigarrette of marijuana. Lol.

How about you go and do some research on the topic you're debating, rather than just storming in like an idiot and spewing misinformation and misconceptions all over the topic.

A cigarrette of marijuana. Lol.

How about you go and do some research on the topic you're debating, rather than just storming in like an idiot and spewing misinformation and misconceptions all over the topic.

Rispek8992

How about you go and talk with some respect?

The next time I will ask for moderation. Did I call you idiot?

[QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="Rispek8992"]

A cigarrette of marijuana. Lol.

How about you go and do some research on the topic you're debating, rather than just storming in like an idiot and spewing misinformation and misconceptions all over the topic.

Rispek8992

How about you go and talk with some respect?

The next time I will ask for moderation. Did I call you idiot?

My bad, the correct term for you would be ignorant. There's no reason I should show respect to you, you've done nothing good here for anyone. You've just been lying and speaking misinformation on a topic you obviously have VERY limited knowledge of. That's not respectable, sir.

It's not I have a limited knowledge, it's just you don't like what I say.

And even if I don't know you and I don't like what you say, you deserve my respect as a person.

Saying I don't deserve your respect is far more 'ignorant'.

[QUOTE="Rispek8992"][QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="Rispek8992"]

A cigarrette of marijuana. Lol.

How about you go and do some research on the topic you're debating, rather than just storming in like an idiot and spewing misinformation and misconceptions all over the topic.

eloyc

How about you go and talk with some respect?

The next time I will ask for moderation. Did I call you idiot?

My bad, the correct term for you would be ignorant. There's no reason I should show respect to you, you've done nothing good here for anyone. You've just been lying and speaking misinformation on a topic you obviously have VERY limited knowledge of. That's not respectable, sir.

It's not I have a limited knowledge, it's just you don't like what I say.

And even if I don't know you and I don't like what you say, you deserve my respect as a person.

Saying I don't deserve your respect is far more 'ignorant'.

No, saying you should respect someone you don't know is just some silly ideal you have implanted in your head. Now I show civility to a person when I meet them, but respect? No.

And yes, you have limited knowledge, because you're blatantly ignorant on the subject. And I'm completely indifferent to marijuana, so don't try to pull that "you have an agenda" BS

[QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="Rispek8992"][QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="Rispek8992"]

A cigarrette of marijuana. Lol.

How about you go and do some research on the topic you're debating, rather than just storming in like an idiot and spewing misinformation and misconceptions all over the topic.

Rispek8992

How about you go and talk with some respect?

The next time I will ask for moderation. Did I call you idiot?

My bad, the correct term for you would be ignorant. There's no reason I should show respect to you, you've done nothing good here for anyone. You've just been lying and speaking misinformation on a topic you obviously have VERY limited knowledge of. That's not respectable, sir.

It's not I have a limited knowledge, it's just you don't like what I say.

And even if I don't know you and I don't like what you say, you deserve my respect as a person.

Saying I don't deserve your respect is far more 'ignorant'.

No, saying you should respect someone you don't know is just some silly ideal you have implanted in your head. Now I show civility to a person when I meet them, but respect? No.

With respect I was referring to that you call 'civility', not to suck up or share ideas or beliefs.

And yes, you have limited knowledge, because you're blatantly ignorant on the subject. And I'm completely indifferent to marijuana, so don't try to pull that "you have an agenda" BSRispek8992

Limited knowledge why? Ignorant why? And you may be indifferent to marijuana, but you're not indifferent to this issue, since you get quite irritated, I see.

Yes I'm irritated, because seeing anyone try to argue about any subject when they're ignorant to that subject makes me irate. Nothing out of the ordinary. And yes I'm angry, just as I would be with any political debate. Stupid drug laws have led to more unfair imprisonments and locked up youth than you can imagine. It's a big issue.

"Marijuana turns people into morons and I know that because I know several people that smoke it and even out of its effects they start to talk so stupidly..."

That's a direct quote from you, which is completely ignorant. To attribute your friends appearant deteriorating speech patterns on marijuana would just be downright wrong. Blame it on the fact that your friends are stupid, not on marijuana, if not, you're lying.

Legal!

For it for medical reasons, for political reas- people ought to be able to make their own decisions, and for constitutional reasons.

it should be left up to the states (like in California) to decide. thats the way it was meant to be.

the drug war as a whole is a total failure. these people are sick and need help, yet the government treats them the same as rapists.

it should be left up to the states to decide if its okay for medical and recreational purposes. and if some guy gets high, starts speeding on a highway, kills someone, then he could be treated the same way as drunk driver who does the same. but we all know, if everyone was smoking weed instead of drinking alcohol, we would have A LOT less health problems and a LOT less acts of violence/deaths.

and the fact is, millions of people in this country smoke weed everyday and live happy good lives and don't bother anybody. so why the hell is it illegal??? i just don't get it.

what does the government fear so very much about marijuana? Why can't they just enforce it the same way they do with alcohol.

watch this video with Ron Paul, he ran for president, but he makes such good points about this country. this whole debate shouldn't be a federal issue at all. thats all im saying. leave these things up to the states: check out this video please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0GZznxMC14

Marijuana itself should be illegal still, but the helpful chemical inside it should be made in a pill form and give it away with prescription. 50shot

they already do that, its called synthetic marijuana, and its known to make people sick. theres no real substitute for the real thing.

Marijuana turns people into morons and I know that because I know several people that smoke it and even out of its effects they start to talk so stupidly...

Something that cheats your brain mustn't be good. Moreover, it's a vice and I don't care if someone says it hasn't nicotine. What a excuse!

eloyc

it does a good job of turning people into dirt broke drug addicts. That's about it honestly. It's not fun to smoke it, there are no advantages of having it legal. I guess folks might stop once they know they're not "rebelling against society" anymore, but come on....mohfrontline

I personally hate pot and most people that smoke it. It's so unnecessary. Dark_Knight6

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]I personally hate pot and most people that smoke it. It's so unnecessary. Big_player

what about the side effects? Smoking a blunt isn't good for you, last time I checked.

[QUOTE="Big_player"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]I personally hate pot and most people that smoke it. It's so unnecessary. mohfrontline

what about the side effects? Smoking a blunt isn't good for you, last time I checked.

[QUOTE="Jipset"]I think it should be legal because it's not as bad for you as tobacco or alchohol, and if it was legal everybody would get bored of it. I think it would be a good alternitive to drinking.roulettethedog

Weed will never be legal in the U.S.A. because of people driving high and public perception.

that has nothing to do with it >_>

[QUOTE="Big_player"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]I personally hate pot and most people that smoke it. It's so unnecessary. mohfrontline

what about the side effects? Smoking a blunt isn't good for you, last time I checked.

DEFINATELY Legal.

Dont get me started. Seriously.

Its not addicting, its healthier than alcohol, cigaretts, and even freakin McDonalds.

As a strong supporter of the BCMP, i have read all the arguements. There is no question, that it should be legalized.

[QUOTE="Big_player"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]I personally hate pot and most people that smoke it. It's so unnecessary. mohfrontline

what about the side effects? Smoking a blunt isn't good for you, last time I checked.

DEFINATELY Legal.

Dont get me started. Seriously.

Its not addicting, its healthier than alcohol, cigaretts, and even freakin McDonalds.

As a strong supporter of the BCMP, i have read all the arguements. There is no question, that it should be legalized.

Phenom316

You're denying that cannabis is addictive? :?

DEFINATELY Legal.

Dont get me started. Seriously.

Its not addicting, its healthier than alcohol, cigaretts, and even freakin McDonalds.

As a strong supporter of the BCMP, i have read all the arguements. There is no question, that it should be legalized.

Phenom316

[QUOTE="Phenom316"]

DEFINATELY Legal.

Dont get me started. Seriously.

Its not addicting, its healthier than alcohol, cigaretts, and even freakin McDonalds.

As a strong supporter of the BCMP, i have read all the arguements. There is no question, that it should be legalized.

Funky_Llama

You're denying that cannabis is addictive? :?

ive never heard that it was addictive. what chemical in it causes addiction?

[QUOTE="Phenom316"]

DEFINATELY Legal.

Dont get me started. Seriously.

Its not addicting, its healthier than alcohol, cigaretts, and even freakin McDonalds.

As a strong supporter of the BCMP, i have read all the arguements. There is no question, that it should be legalized.

Funky_Llama

You're denying that cannabis is addictive? :?