Women's Rights in the U.S. in Jeopardy

Once we fix the economy, then we can talk.dave123321

Read it for yourself.

http://news.yahoo.com/gop-senate-candidate-god-intended-pregnancies-rape-061057785--abc-news-politics.html

My problem is that instead of looking forward by fixing the economy and gaining equal rights, there are some who are more concern with overturning a law that is over 30 years old.

Fantasy721

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] What do you have in mind when you say women have more rights than men?ghoklebutter

It's not 99% (that is a completely inflated figure), although it's true that mothers tend to get custody more often. However, that's usually because the primary caregiver is usually the one who gets custody, and the primary caregiver is, more often than not, the mother. If you want more men to get custody, then fight the cultural norms that discourage men from being primary or equal caregivers.

Regarding abortion, she is the one who is pregnant, so only she can decide to give birth or terminate the pregnancy. No one but her has the right to control her uterus. Deal with it.

And yes she is the one pregnant. It's just the way things are. Women carry the babies, not men's or woman's fault about that. It's just the way things are. Believe it or not, men do care for and about their babies/kids just as much as women do. Why can't things be equal instead of tilted in favor of the woman's view on this issue?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't ever recall Paul Ryan or Romney ever stating they want to get rid of birth control. They said they want to reduce funding for planned parenthood, but said nothing about banning birth control (I don't consider abortion a form of birth control, that's just sick).

I am not a fan of Romeny or Ryan, I find they only care about the wealthiest Americans and nothing about the common man, and their tax plan is proof of this. They also want to dismiss Obama Care, and I support Obama Care fully. And I don't see how anyone could vote in someone who is an open supporter of Ayn Rand philosophies (Ryan), if that doesn't scare you then you need a wake up call.

I doubt Romney would stop women's rights at all. They can talk all they want, the fact is that both congress and each individual state has to decide for it's self, and I don't see Romeny trying to push that. He isn't really pro life either, he just pretends to be so he can get votes. Only real pro life Republican is John Huntsman, who unfortunately didn't get the nominee because he wasn't extreame enough.

Also being pro life doesn't mean you are against women's rights. I'm pro life and I support equal pay and all rights for women. I just believe giving life a chance, barring a few rare exceptions.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]About 99% of the time, in child court cases, women get the custody. Unless the woman is a hardcore drug addict. If the man does lose custody, he has to pay her A LOT more in child support than she would if he won. If a guy gets a girl pregnant, and if the guy doesn't want an abortion and she does, only her thoughts count. The guy cannot do a thing about it, even if the would be baby is his too. Just a few simple facts.

ristactionjakso

It's not 99% (that is a completely inflated figure), although it's true that mothers tend to get custody more often. However, that's usually because the primary caregiver is usually the one who gets custody, and the primary caregiver is, more often than not, the mother. If you want more men to get custody, then fight the cultural norms that discourage men from being primary or equal caregivers.

Regarding abortion, she is the one who is pregnant, so only she can decide to give birth or terminate the pregnancy. No one but her has the right to control her uterus. Deal with it.

And yes she is the one pregnant. It's just the way things are. Women carry the babies, not men's or woman's fault about that. It's just the way things are. Believe it or not, men do care for and about their babies/kids just as much as women do. Why can't things be equal instead of tilted in favor of the woman's view on this issue?

When are people going to move beyond "it's her body" or "it's her uterus, deal with it"? How about instead of the woman carrying the baby, let's talk about the baby itself as a would be human. What about that baby's rights?

And yes she is the one pregnant. It's just the way things are. Women carry the babies, not men's or woman's fault about that. It's just the way things are. Believe it or not, men do care for and about their babies/kids just as much as women do. Why can't things be equal instead of tilted in favor of the woman's view on this issue?

ristactionjakso

The father doesn't own her uterus, so he has no say in what she does with her pregnancy. That the child is also from him is irrelevant.

Also, the child has no right to the mother's uterus.

Also being pro life doesn't mean you are against women's rights. I'm pro life and I support equal pay and all rights for women. I just believe giving life a chance, barring a few rare exceptions.

ShadowMoses900

Why do you believe in those exceptions?

Forget about the economy and foreign policy. Forget about race and gay rights. This country cannot look at those issues until these stupid politicians (mostly men) stop trying to hold back women from their parenthood rights. We're trying to support women's rights in the Middle East when Paul Ryan, Todd Akin, and Richard Mourdock are trying to do away with birth control and Roe vs. Wade?! If you don't support abortion that's one thing, but then don't act like it's not a big deal when young girls and women are attacked and forced to give birth to their rapist's child. Have people seriously lost their minds?!

Fantasy721

This the boogie man the democrats have tried to create and yet I don't hear Romney talking about repealing Roe v. Wade.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]This the boogie man the democrats have tried to create and yet I don't hear Romney talking about repealing Roe v. Wade.Abbeten

Again, a boogie man the Obama campaign tried to create which isn't working well by the way.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]This the boogie man the democrats have tried to create and yet I don't hear Romney talking about repealing Roe v. Wade.KC_Hokie

Again, a boogie man the Obama campaign tried to create which isn't working well by the way.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"] Democrats haven't tried to create it. Republicans have done that all by themselves. And how the hell do you repeal a Supreme Court case?Abbeten

Again, a boogie man the Obama campaign tried to create which isn't working well by the way.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]You can't that's the point. So the idea that there is a 'war on women's rights' is just bogus. There have always been fringe candidates from Congress on either extreme of the abortion debate. That certainly doesn't equate to a 'war on women'.

Again, a boogie man the Obama campaign tried to create which isn't working well by the way.

KC_Hokie

e: you're also overlooking Romney's (sudden) opposition to abortion.

Remember this one?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/us/politics/todd-akin-provokes-ire-with-legitimate-rape-comment.html

Remember this one?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/us/politics/todd-akin-provokes-ire-with-legitimate-rape-comment.html

Fantasy721

[QUOTE="Fantasy721"]

Remember this one?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/us/politics/todd-akin-provokes-ire-with-legitimate-rape-comment.html

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] When the restriction of women's power over their bodies becomes a platform for a large chunk of one of the major parties, that's a problem. Whether or not you term it 'a war on women' is irrelevant. Obama didn't even have to create the issue. He just had to address it. And given his support among women, it certainly does seem to be working. Abbeten

e: you're also overlooking Romney's (sudden) opposition to abortion.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Fantasy721"]

Remember this one?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/us/politics/todd-akin-provokes-ire-with-legitimate-rape-comment.html

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]See you took the Obama line hook line an sinker. There is no 'war on women' in Romney's campaign.KC_Hokie

e: you're also overlooking Romney's (sudden) opposition to abortion.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes like I said a fringe candidate or two doesn't represent the policy of an entire party.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] Did you see me once mention Romney? I'm talking about the Republican party in general. I still haven't forgotten that fight in Congress over access to birth control.

e: you're also overlooking Romney's (sudden) opposition to abortion.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] What are the policy differences between Todd Akin and Paul Ryan when it comes to abortion? -Sun_Tzu-

Joe Biden didn't set any policy in 2008 nor does he now.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The Obama administration has been trying to arguing there is a 'war on women' lead by Romney campaign. It hasn't worked.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Since when does the Vice Presidential candidate make the policy for the Presidential campaign? KC_Hokie

Joe Biden didn't set any policy in 2008 nor does he now.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] ...the polls suggest otherwise. -Sun_Tzu-

MSLSD can point to fringe candidates and the VP candidate all they want....doesn't change the fact the presidential candidate is the one who actually sets the policies (as candidate and as president if elected).

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]In 2008 Obama won women by 14%. Romney has cut that in half. Plus, his favor-ability among women keeps rising.KC_Hokie

MSLSD can point to fringe candidates and the VP candidate all they want....doesn't change the fact the presidential candidate is the one who actually sets the policies (as candidate and as president if elected).

And since when have the views of the VP candidate been meaningless?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] There's only been a 3% swing among women from 2008, which can easily be explained by the general fact that this is simply a much closer election than 2008 was. Plus in swing states the most important issue for female voters (the only female voters that matter) is abortion by a pretty substantial margin, and equal pay is also a very important issue for these voters as well. -Sun_Tzu-

MSLSD can point to fringe candidates and the VP candidate all they want....doesn't change the fact the presidential candidate is the one who actually sets the policies (as candidate and as president if elected).

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's actually a swing of 8 in favor of the republican. And most women realize Romney isn't going to ban abortion or take away rights or anything.

MSLSD can point to fringe candidates and the VP candidate all they want....doesn't change the fact the presidential candidate is the one who actually sets the policies (as candidate and as president if elected).

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Oh right I forgot you can't do math. In 2008 Obama won the woman vote 57/43. Right now according to Gallup it's 54/46, which means that 3% of likely women voters swung from Obama to Romney compared to 2008...not 8%. If there was an 8% swing Romney would be leading among women 51/49. -Sun_Tzu-

That was my entire point if you go back and look.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]You need to work on your math. If Obama lost 3% among women and Romney gained 3% what do you get?KC_Hokie

That was my entire point if you go back and look.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You get an 8% difference, not an 8% swing. -Sun_Tzu-

That was my entire point if you go back and look.

But I would also turn off the MSLSD and come back to reality.

I get a headache when the subject of women's rights gets raised, especially the phrase "War on Women" (the use of war as a metaphor itself is a headache).

Also abortion won't become outlawed and it never will. You can thank Roe v. Wade and the Supreme Court.

I get a headache when the subject of women's rights gets raised, especially the phrase "War on Women" (the use of war as a metaphor itself is a headache).

Also abortion won't become outlawed and it never will. You can thank Roe v. Wade and the Supreme Court.

leviathan91

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]You get +6 for Romney which nearly cuts the 2008 gap in half.

That was my entire point if you go back and look.

KC_Hokie

But I would also turn off the MSLSD and come back to reality.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Your entire point was that Obama's "war on women" campaign against Romney isn't working. To prove this point not only did you misrepresent the amount of support that Romney has gained among women, but more importantly you flat out ignored the fact that abortion and equal pay are two of the most important issues for women in swing states. -Sun_Tzu-

But I would also turn off the MSLSD and come back to reality.

There isn't a 'war on women' nor are they in danger of losing rights if Romney is elected.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]You get +6 for Romney which nearly cuts the 2008 gap in half.

That was my entire point if you go back and look.

KC_Hokie

But I would also turn off the MSLSD and come back to reality.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

They want to reverse an existing law, shouldnt they be trying to fix the economy instead if this is your real view?

airshocker

Where's this proposed legislation?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Your entire point was that Obama's "war on women" campaign against Romney isn't working. To prove this point not only did you misrepresent the amount of support that Romney has gained among women, but more importantly you flat out ignored the fact that abortion and equal pay are two of the most important issues for women in swing states. -Sun_Tzu-

But I would also turn off the MSLSD and come back to reality.

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

When are people going to move beyond "it's her body" or "it's her uterus, deal with it"? How about instead of the woman carrying the baby, let's talk about the baby itself as a would be human. What about that baby's rights?

And yes she is the one pregnant. It's just the way things are. Women carry the babies, not men's or woman's fault about that. It's just the way things are. Believe it or not, men do care for and about their babies/kids just as much as women do. Why can't things be equal instead of tilted in favor of the woman's view on this issue?

ghoklebutter

The father doesn't own her uterus, so he has no say in what she does with her pregnancy. That the child is also from him is irrelevant.

Also, the child has no right to the mother's uterus.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

When are people going to move beyond "it's her body" or "it's her uterus, deal with it"? How about instead of the woman carrying the baby, let's talk about the baby itself as a would be human. What about that baby's rights?

And yes she is the one pregnant. It's just the way things are. Women carry the babies, not men's or woman's fault about that. It's just the way things are. Believe it or not, men do care for and about their babies/kids just as much as women do. Why can't things be equal instead of tilted in favor of the woman's view on this issue?

ristactionjakso

The father doesn't own her uterus, so he has no say in what she does with her pregnancy. That the child is also from him is irrelevant.

Also, the child has no right to the mother's uterus.

I'm off to buy some hand lotion...

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

The father doesn't own her uterus, so he has no say in what she does with her pregnancy. That the child is also from him is irrelevant.

Also, the child has no right to the mother's uterus.

toast_burner

I'm off to buy some hand lotion...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/richard-mourdock-rape-comment-puts-romney-defense/story?id=17552263#.UIh02cXA-Zg

As long as the government isn't paying for it then I guess I don't care. They can murder as many of their children as they want as long as they don't use my taxpayer money to do it.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

When are people going to move beyond "it's her body" or "it's her uterus, deal with it"? How about instead of the woman carrying the baby, let's talk about the baby itself as a would be human. What about that baby's rights?

And yes she is the one pregnant. It's just the way things are. Women carry the babies, not men's or woman's fault about that. It's just the way things are. Believe it or not, men do care for and about their babies/kids just as much as women do. Why can't things be equal instead of tilted in favor of the woman's view on this issue?

ristactionjakso

The father doesn't own her uterus, so he has no say in what she does with her pregnancy. That the child is also from him is irrelevant.

Also, the child has no right to the mother's uterus.

I know it's from the father; he still doesn't have a say in whether she aborts or gestates because the child is in her body, not his. Only she has the right to do whatever she wants to her uterus. The father doesn't own that uterus.

Whether the uterus is the home of the child is irrelevant because the mother still has the right to terminate the pregnancy whenever she wants.

Oh, also, there are some men who actually do have a right to control a uterus; trans men with functional uteri. They have a say in what they do to their own uteri, and no woman has a legal say in whether he aborts his child. So it's about equal.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]Really? The father j!zzed all over her uterus. The child is from the father essentially. The uterus is that child's home for about 9 months. Don't argue just to argue. Come up with better arguments.

ristactionjakso

I'm off to buy some hand lotion...

Watch the video.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/when-strict-abortion-laws_n_2009120.html?1351095411&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing7%7Cdl12%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D224803