Would you vote for an openly g@y president?

Ok well what else besides what I said is worthing of fighting and even dying for in you opinion? I'm guessing you're an agnostic or atheist, so if there's no moral absolutes, why should you fight for anything?

battlefront23

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]And for all the athiests and agnostics here, if a Christian says he hates gays, he's a horrible Christian. We hate what their orientation is, not them.battlefront23

Then they don't look at the Bible. Sodom and Gomorrah anyone?

[QUOTE="ND_"]

As a Catholic I am not supposed to vote for anyone who supports abortion, and I guess anyone who says they are a practising homosexual as it is considered a sin.

So I cannot vote for such a personif I wish to follow the laws of my religion, if you think the church is wrong then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But you cannot ask people to believe in the same things as you just because you believe them to be right. People will believe in whatever they want to believe in, they are not going to change those core beliefs just because the people in charge of the country make new laws.

wemhim

Then why are people that hate gays (not me, already explained) bigots? Its what they believe in right? Whats wrong with what Hitler did then?

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="ND_"]

As a Catholic I am not supposed to vote for anyone who supports abortion, and I guess anyone who says they are a practising homosexual as it is considered a sin.

So I cannot vote for such a personif I wish to follow the laws of my religion, if you think the church is wrong then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But you cannot ask people to believe in the same things as you just because you believe them to be right. People will believe in whatever they want to believe in, they are not going to change those core beliefs just because the people in charge of the country make new laws.

battlefront23

Then why are people that hate gays (not me, already explained) bigots? Its what they believe in right? Whats wrong with what Hitler did then?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]And for all the athiests and agnostics here, if a Christian says he hates gays, he's a horrible Christian. We hate what their orientation is, not them.wemhim

Then they don't look at the Bible. Sodom and Gomorrah anyone?

They're bad Christians I'm really trying to not justify their behavior, but Christian are people too.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="ND_"]

As a Catholic I am not supposed to vote for anyone who supports abortion, and I guess anyone who says they are a practising homosexual as it is considered a sin.

So I cannot vote for such a personif I wish to follow the laws of my religion, if you think the church is wrong then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But you cannot ask people to believe in the same things as you just because you believe them to be right. People will believe in whatever they want to believe in, they are not going to change those core beliefs just because the people in charge of the country make new laws.

wemhim

Then why are people that hate gays (not me, already explained) bigots? Its what they believe in right? Whats wrong with what Hitler did then?

But there's no moral absolutes right? They're all relative right?

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]And for all the athiests and agnostics here, if a Christian says he hates gays, he's a horrible Christian. We hate what their orientation is, not them.battlefront23

Then they don't look at the Bible. Sodom and Gomorrah anyone?

They're bad Christians I'm really trying to not justify their behavior, but Christian are people too.

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="ND_"]

As a Catholic I am not supposed to vote for anyone who supports abortion, and I guess anyone who says they are a practising homosexual as it is considered a sin.

So I cannot vote for such a personif I wish to follow the laws of my religion, if you think the church is wrong then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But you cannot ask people to believe in the same things as you just because you believe them to be right. People will believe in whatever they want to believe in, they are not going to change those core beliefs just because the people in charge of the country make new laws.

battlefront23

Then why are people that hate gays (not me, already explained) bigots? Its what they believe in right? Whats wrong with what Hitler did then?

But there's no moral absolutes right? They're all relative right?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]And for all the athiests and agnostics here, if a Christian says he hates gays, he's a horrible Christian. We hate what their orientation is, not them.wemhim

Then they don't look at the Bible. Sodom and Gomorrah anyone?

They're bad Christians I'm really trying to not justify their behavior, but Christian are people too.

So we agree on something... but do you believe man is inherently evil?

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]And for all the athiests and agnostics here, if a Christian says he hates gays, he's a horrible Christian. We hate what their orientation is, not them.battlefront23

Then they don't look at the Bible. Sodom and Gomorrah anyone?

They're bad Christians I'm really trying to not justify their behavior, but Christian are people too.

So we agree on something... but do you believe man is inherently evil?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="ND_"]

As a Catholic I am not supposed to vote for anyone who supports abortion, and I guess anyone who says they are a practising homosexual as it is considered a sin.

So I cannot vote for such a personif I wish to follow the laws of my religion, if you think the church is wrong then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But you cannot ask people to believe in the same things as you just because you believe them to be right. People will believe in whatever they want to believe in, they are not going to change those core beliefs just because the people in charge of the country make new laws.

wemhim

Then why are people that hate gays (not me, already explained) bigots? Its what they believe in right? Whats wrong with what Hitler did then?

But there's no moral absolutes right? They're all relative right?

I dont know for sure what an agnostic is besides the fact that they don't believe there's enough evidence about God? Does that sum it up?

I dont know for sure what an agnostic is besides the fact that they don't believe there's enough evidence about God? Does that sum it up?

battlefront23

[QUOTE="jlh47"]

look at the people who have aids.... it's either from sharing needles or people who have a lot of unprotected sex. stds

The_Ish

No, AIDs/STDs affect everyone, regardless of sexual promiscuity or orientation.

so i can just come down with

a SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE without having sex?

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

look at the people who have aids.... it's either from sharing needles or people who have a lot of unprotected sex. stds

jlh47

No, AIDs/STDs affect everyone, regardless of sexual promiscuity or orientation.

so i can just come down with

a SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE without having sex?

[QUOTE="ND_"]

As a Catholic I am not supposed to vote for anyone who supports abortion, and I guess anyone who says they are a practising homosexual as it is considered a sin.

So I cannot vote for such a personif I wish to follow the laws of my religion, if you think the church is wrong then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But you cannot ask people to believe in the same things as you just because you believe them to be right. People will believe in whatever they want to believe in, they are not going to change those core beliefs just because the people in charge of the country make new laws.

wemhim

Well you should ask a rapist to stop believing it's ok to rape others because they are comminting a crime. Last time I checked it is not illegal to disagree with homosexality as a way of life. If that was the case half the population would be behind bars. I treat everyone as equal, doesn't mean I have to accept the things they do or believe in. Just like they don't have to agree with me.

If you dislike people who have religious beliefs that conflict with homosexuality or you dislike people who simply do not agree with it then that's your problem. This is a democracy, people can live their lives however they wish, and believe in whatever they want as long as they are not breaking the law.

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="ND_"]

As a Catholic I am not supposed to vote for anyone who supports abortion, and I guess anyone who says they are a practising homosexual as it is considered a sin.

So I cannot vote for such a personif I wish to follow the laws of my religion, if you think the church is wrong then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But you cannot ask people to believe in the same things as you just because you believe them to be right. People will believe in whatever they want to believe in, they are not going to change those core beliefs just because the people in charge of the country make new laws.

ND_

Well you should ask a rapist to stop believing it's ok to rape others because they are comminting a crime. Last time I checked it is not illegal to disagree with homosexality as a way of life. If that was the case half the population would be behind bars. I treat everyone as equal, doesn't mean I have to accept the things they do or believe in. Just like they don't have to agree with me.

If you dislike people who have religious beliefs that conflict with homosexuality or you dislike people who simply do not agree with it then that's your problem. This is a democracy, people can live their lives however they wish, and believe in whatever they wantas long as they are not breaking the law.

ehmm gay people is not OK, and if you think Im bad person for thinking this then you are sick too..

I have right to not like them and actually hate them.. cause they are whats wrong with humanity...

you are just brainwashed by the media how bad people are who DONT like gay people, I mean wtf? male+male doesnt **** work... tell me if you went to afrika and say 2 lions doing eachother what would be your reaction?

I hope gayness doesnt evolve anymore untill Im still on this planet cause it already makes me sick...

and yeah Im still 19..

I think admin gonna delete my post or this topic because you can speak your mind this days.. freedom of glitch is all BS..

and yea Jeff is good exaple how this world works... if this kind of crap happens in gaming.. im not gonna start about politics lol

GameServant

First off, spell check is your friend.

Second off, I would have no real reaction to two lions doing each other as that's how nature works, my friend. Lions and lionesses are the same freaking thing.

Third, I think you should treat gay people with an equal amount of respect as everyone else.

Fourth, humanity is what's wrong with humanity.

Apparently, gay doesnt mean happy here.

If I was anywhere near old enough to vote, yes, I would vote for a gay guy.

that's the moral of this story...

that's the moral of this story...

jlh47

Karma -100 pts.

i feel wrong for posting that but that's the moral.

What disgusts me the most in this thread is that there are still people here who think homosexuality = anal sex. I guess those people are overly sexual, or sexual frustrated people...do they also think that heterosexuality = vaginal sex? Guess what, there's more to homosexuality than sex. I am gay and no I'm not humping my boyfriend 24/7 We just love each other, want to be together, do fun things together, like watching movies. We also do our groceries, we have to wash our clothes and clean the house. We also have a job....pretty ordinary isn't it? The only thing that is different is that we're both men. And some people hate us? They don't even know us.... I just find it amusing (well actually it's sad) that some people can be so incredibly short minded.TheFlush

uhm...man + man != natural;

man + woman == natural;

If your deciding factor on whether or not to vote someone is based off of sexual orientation, you shouldn't be able to vote.MattUD1

Exacto. Aslong as you agree with the views and policies it should be a no brainer.

I just want to clear one thing up, it is not considered a sin to be gay in Christianity, but it is a sin to act out those desires if it leads to you sleeping with someone of the same sex, it is also a sin for straight people to have sex before marriage. No one said it is easy, many Christians break the laws of the church, I have slept with women , I have done drugs, I have done may bad things in life, but that does not mean that I agree with what I have done or wish to continue doing them.

The flesh is weak as they say,and we all have to deal with the same temptations of this world, no one is immune from that. But the difference between people is how they deal with those things, do theytry to avoid those temptations or do they embrace them. Do they think they are wrong or do they think they are right. This is the reason why topics like this will forever be filling the main pages of off topic discussion boards, because people will always have different opinions and beliefs on what is right and wrong. That does not mean we have to treat people who do not agree with us as a enemy. People can believe in many different things but still be friends or respect each other as human beings.

I'm going to bow out of thios topic as I've seen to many topics about religion, obortion, homosexuality, racism. They all end up with people shouting at each other, banging heads and getting mad. And at the end of the day it solves nothing.

If you want to make a difference in this worldjust start being nice to people and try to help others if possible. If we all done that the world would be a better place.

Thought I'dpost this again because I think it got lost at the end of a page.

"Some of the posts in this thread genuienly defy belief. Are some of you actually saying that you wouldn't vote for a president, regardless of whether or not you agreed with his policies, because of their sexual orientation. Thats amazing.

The best reason given for this is because being gay is "unatural" and "gross". Doesn't that tell you about the level of intelect the people who hold these views have.

The biggest irony of all is that people are calling homosexuality unatural whilst they're typing on a computer (unatural) on the internet (unatural) in a heated home (unatural) whilst wearing clothes (unatural) you probably have a diet of food stuffed with all sorts of artificial preservatives and flavorings...I mean, I could go on and onbut all you need to do is look at your lives, it's not exactly like you're at one with nature yourselves is it.

Also, gay people don't wake up one day and say "You know what, I'm going to piss everyone off by becoming "unatural" and becoming a **** being attracted to someone of the same sex" It's not a concious decision! The same way that you being attracted to females is not a concious decision! They can't help it.

Their brains are wired differently to yours, thats all, who knows why?Do you think the devil made them that way? Or did God doit to test you?

You've been brainwashed by your upbringing and your societal and cultural norms, can you not seethat? In England, people are more tolerant of gay people because there isn't as much shame and stigma attached to it. I can't help thinking thats something to do with the diminishing influence of Christianity, but thats a whole other debate.

Someone said before they don't like gay people because they weren't brought up in a **** loving" environment. Well that's evident mate. You are a homophobic bigot,and you were probably brought up by a bigot, or a bunch of bigots who made you feel ashamed whenever you weren't being a big masculine man! And so now you thing being gay is abhorant.

But do you honestly think that there is not one person in your circle of influence that isn't gay Ofcourse there is! But think about it...if I was gay and hung around with people who constantly told me that it was evil to be gay would I wanna come out of the closet? No! Thats probably why we get so muchhomophobia from 14 year old twerps on Xbox live. Overcompensation.

Oh and by the way, to all the homophobes in here,when you're jerking of to your favourite lesbian porn tonight, desperatly trying to convince yourself that you're not at all a dirty unatural gay just remember...

You're jerking off to gay porn.

Anyway

Rant over for now"

I shudder to think if Monica caused Clinton so much problems what would happen with a butt nut in the oval office. I can see it now USA Pres grabs Arab princes behind starts holy war on USA killing 20 people with suicide bomber. American prez says the world is homophobic "I only grabbed one butt cheek accidentally when I was shaking his hand I just slipped and grabbed his ass to stay upright." lmao

I shudder to think if Monica caused Clinton so much problems what would happen with a butt nut in the oval office. I can see it now USA Pres grabs Arab princes behind starts holy war on USA killing 20 people with suicide bomber. American prez says the world is homophobic "I only grabbed one butt cheek accidentally when I was shaking his hand I just slipped and grabbed his ass to stay upright." lmao

I just want to clear one thing up, it is not considered a sin to be gay in Christianity, but it is a sin to act out those desires if it leads to you sleeping with someone of the same sex, it is also a sin for straight people to have sex before marriage. No one said it is easy, many Christians break the laws of the church, I have slept with women , I have done drugs, I have done may bad things in life, but that does not mean that I agree with what I have done or wish to continue doing them.

The flesh is weak as they say,and we all have to deal with the same temptations of this world, no one is immune from that. But the difference between people is how they deal with those things, do theytry to avoid those temptations or do they embrace them. Do they think they are wrong or do they think they are right. This is the reason why topics like this will forever be filling the main pages of off topic discussion boards, because people will always have different opinions and beliefs on what is right and wrong. That does not mean we have to treat people who do not agree with us as a enemy. People can believe in many different things but still be friends or respect each other as human beings.

I'm going to bow out of thios topic as I've seen to many topics about religion, obortion, homosexuality, racism. They all end up with people shouting at each other, banging heads and getting mad. And at the end of the day it solves nothing.

If you want to make a difference in this world just start being nice to people, try to help others if possible, and show them the love of Jesus. If we all done that the world would be a better place.

edit:fixed!

ND_

Although personaly i dont realy care about other peoples sexual orientation, just as long as they keep it to themselves or dont disrespect me, I would NEVER vote for a Gay person for president.

People need to get this into their heads, Despite what you see in the media, Despite it being more comon (out in the open) now days, HOMOSEXUALITY is not normal, i wont go into debate if its a sin or disease, but it sure as hell aint normal, men are built with one set of equipment woment with another.....thats the way nature made us....thats the way we should function...Men should behave as men and women should behave like women.

Not to mention that this kind of behavior promotes transmission of disieases and psychological disorders, (yes heterosexual people can have these problems too).

As far as the presidency goes....The president represents the people, hes voted in by a majority, I dont think that the majority of americans are G @ y, and besides He or she is in a Delicate position where the slightest words or actions can have drastic consequences...Sure id love to live in a world where people wont disciriinate others for any reason whatsoever....but not one it which discrimination doesnt happen because were all perverted deviants.....

America is DEGENERATING, and alot of it has to do with the moral decay (mistaken for openmindness) of todays society, we need to return to respecting family and civic values....I dont see how flaunting sexuality helps this in any way...

I still stand by my views that I posted on the first page. If you are that ... diluted to thinking something as trivial like sexual orientation, race, religious beliefs, etc, etc., actually matter, you should not vote. You shouldn't even contribute to the gene pool.MattUD1

Well its like this, I like to think im an open minded person, I have gay friends, I have black, asian, Latin friends (good friends, not just casual aquaintances). Im very well educated, ive been brought up in a liberal background, Im not an avid church goer but im not an athiest either. I had a pretty good teenage life, did everything a normal teen would do.. Then came college, and eventualy i graduated and started my carreer (one with a significant amount of social responsiblity) So i think ive earned my stripes....and earned the right to say this in a responsible matter.......

Those Trivial things you mentioned ARE and CAN be very important..especialy in a position as important as a presidency...(Race Gender and Religion ) should never be the basis for discrination...but does that mean we should elect a satanic transvestite into ofice cause he/she has a good policy????????

Its bad enough were electing (POLITICIANS) into office.............

If I agreed with his policies, yes.ninjacat11

That is how I feel