WWII Vet Writes to Obama. I think You all oughta read this.

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#401 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

GUYS!

in our system of goverment its not supposed to 'take guts' to write a critical letter to your president. In fact, its a bit more of a responsiblity than anything else.

Has something changed in our goverment that I am not aware that makes this 'taking guts' or do you all come from a background where authority is to not be questioned which if you are I dont want to vote for who you are voting for!

sSubZerOo

because people think that if you step out of line the man will come and take you away.

Its funny really.. That Obama is seen as such a figure, when the Bush adminstration wasn't treated the same way.. Even though they passed (though Obama still supports which I am extremely critical of) the Patriot Act, and allowed the use of torture.. To me it smacks of hypocrisy.

It was treated that way. Just by (mostly) different people.
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#402 TehFuneral
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I commend his bravery and honestly, but I do not necessarily agree with himclayron

Couldn't have said it better.

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#403 zmbi_gmr
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gave me goosebumps. nough' said.

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#405 Buttmonkey9000
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What does it mean to "act like an American"? How is an American suppose to act?

-Sun_Tzu-
I know, I found that statement wierd. I wonder if Obama actually read the email/letter...
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#407 LordRork
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Speaking as an outsider, I'd say this guy has a very "traditional" view of what the US should be - big, bold and unapologetic. The Americans aren't the first to be like that, leading powers throughout history, such as the British, did exactly the same thing.

But countries can't go around like that any more - You've got to make friends, you've got to acknowledge that once in a while the nation's government gets it wrong. This is especially true when other countries are beginning to catch up economically and militarily to give you the advantage of humility or humanitarianism (e.g. compared to China).

This man raises points worth saying, but we're not in 1945 any more.

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#408 TBoogy
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Im sorry but im glad the elderly like this man will soon be gone from this earth.. The brain stops developing past age 70 and that point these people just count down the days to die.. I have no respect for this windbag. I dont care if he served this country or not, i have 0 respect for him.

How was he "brave" He pretty much just wrote a mess of fox news talking points ver batim, nothing original. "You go around telling other nations that we are no longer a Christian nation" and hes mad about Obama when he bows but he makes no mention of when Bush held the hands of the saudia arabian prince or when Nixon bowed to the leader that ordered the bombing of the pearl harbor!

he sounds like another tea party old bag type that just cant stomach the idea of a black man in office. infact i would have more respect for the old fool if he just came right out and said "Dear mr President, im 94 years old and i dont think a black man should be president" he atleast would have been honest.

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Now THAT took bravery. I am sitting here cracking up... I wouldn't have said it...but it is funny.
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#409 flazzle
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

What does it mean to "act like an American"? How is an American suppose to act?

Buttmonkey9000

I know, I found that statement wierd. I wonder if Obama actually read the email/letter...

I think it was mailed to the golf course, so the odds are pretty good! :P

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#410 Serraph105
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Speaking as an outsider, I'd say this guy has a very "traditional" view of what the US should be - big, bold and unapologetic. The Americans aren't the first to be like that, leading powers throughout history, such as the British, did exactly the same thing.

But countries can't go around like that any more - You've got to make friends, you've got to acknowledge that once in a while the nation's government gets it wrong. This is especially true when other countries are beginning to catch up economically and militarily to give you the advantage of humility or humanitarianism (e.g. compared to China).

This man raises points worth saying, but we're not in 1945 any more.

LordRork

Blasphemy! We are never wrong!! And we are certaintly never arrogant!!! EVER!!!!

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#411 BlakcCrow
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I love this guy!!!! he has so much guts! Sorry eminem this guy is my new role model! jk but i love this guy!:D

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#412 Snipes_2
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I agree with everything he said. This old guy is awesome. :)

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#413 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Buttmonkey9000"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

What does it mean to "act like an American"? How is an American suppose to act?

flazzle

I know, I found that statement wierd. I wonder if Obama actually read the email/letter...

I think it was mailed to the golf course, so the odds are pretty good! :P

Lol :lol: That's great.
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#414 worlock77
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

What does it mean to "act like an American"? How is an American suppose to act?

Buttmonkey9000

I know, I found that statement wierd. I wonder if Obama actually read the email/letter...

Doubtful. While I understand that Obama does read a selection of e-mails/letters each day (I think the number is around 10), so it's possible, but not likely.

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#416 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"]

Im sorry but im glad the elderly like this man will soon be gone from this earth.. The brain stops developing past age 70 and that point these people just count down the days to die.. I have no respect for this windbag. I dont care if he served this country or not, i have 0 respect for him.

How was he "brave" He pretty much just wrote a mess of fox news talking points ver batim, nothing original. "You go around telling other nations that we are no longer a Christian nation" and hes mad about Obama when he bows but he makes no mention of when Bush held the hands of the saudia arabian prince or when Nixon bowed to the leader that ordered the bombing of the pearl harbor!

he sounds like another tea party old bag type that just cant stomach the idea of a black man in office. infact i would have more respect for the old fool if he just came right out and said "Dear mr President, im 94 years old and i dont think a black man should be president" he atleast would have been honest.

TBoogy
Now THAT took bravery. I am sitting here cracking up... I wouldn't have said it...but it is funny.

That's not bravery...That's just...I don't know. Taking Jabs at an elderly man...Awesome. He failed to take note of Obama bowing to every foreign emissary but the Queen of England. Who you ARE Supposed to bow to. Obama is not Black...He's Half Black for starters :roll: Sorry, Racism card won't work for this.
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#418 TBoogy
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I love this guy!!!! he has so much guts! Sorry eminem this guy is my new role model! jk but i love this guy!:D

BlakcCrow
Hmm. You like Eminem AND this guy? Liking this guy I assume you are a republican. Being a republican and liking Eminem, I assume you never heard the song about Bush blowing up the The Twin Towers?
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[QUOTE="TBoogy"][QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"]

Im sorry but im glad the elderly like this man will soon be gone from this earth.. The brain stops developing past age 70 and that point these people just count down the days to die.. I have no respect for this windbag. I dont care if he served this country or not, i have 0 respect for him.

How was he "brave" He pretty much just wrote a mess of fox news talking points ver batim, nothing original. "You go around telling other nations that we are no longer a Christian nation" and hes mad about Obama when he bows but he makes no mention of when Bush held the hands of the saudia arabian prince or when Nixon bowed to the leader that ordered the bombing of the pearl harbor!

he sounds like another tea party old bag type that just cant stomach the idea of a black man in office. infact i would have more respect for the old fool if he just came right out and said "Dear mr President, im 94 years old and i dont think a black man should be president" he atleast would have been honest.

Snipes_2
Now THAT took bravery. I am sitting here cracking up... I wouldn't have said it...but it is funny.

That's not bravery...That's just...I don't know. Taking Jabs at an elderly man...Awesome. He failed to take note of Obama bowing to every foreign emissary but the Queen of England. Who you ARE Supposed to bow to. Obama is not Black...He's Half Black for starters :roll: Sorry, Racism card won't work for this.

I've never understand the American idea that his mother's skin colour makes the slightest difference to his. It's like calling someone half blonde.
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#420 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="TBoogy"] Now THAT took bravery. I am sitting here cracking up... I wouldn't have said it...but it is funny.SEANMCAD

That's not bravery...That's just...I don't know. Taking Jabs at an elderly man...Awesome. He failed to take note of Obama bowing to every foreign emissary but the Queen of England. Who you ARE Supposed to bow to. Obama is not Black...He's Half Black for starters :roll: Sorry, Racism card won't work for this.

someone on the radio called this guy brave didnt they..

I wasn't talking about the old guy. I was talking about the response to his letter.
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#421 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="TBoogy"] Now THAT took bravery. I am sitting here cracking up... I wouldn't have said it...but it is funny.

That's not bravery...That's just...I don't know. Taking Jabs at an elderly man...Awesome. He failed to take note of Obama bowing to every foreign emissary but the Queen of England. Who you ARE Supposed to bow to. Obama is not Black...He's Half Black for starters :roll: Sorry, Racism card won't work for this.

I've never understand the American idea that his mother's skin colour makes the slightest difference to his. It's like calling someone half blonde.

Generally Genes carry over...He got his Mothers and Fathers genes...So therefore wouldn't he be at least partly white?
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#423 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

someone on the radio called this guy brave didnt they..

SEANMCAD

I wasn't talking about the old guy. I was talking about the response to his letter.

I am saying I am willing to wager that someone on the radio made the comment that this guy (the letter author) was brave.

I haven't heard it (Don't listen to the Radio usually:))

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#424 worlock77
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That's not bravery...That's just...I don't know. Taking Jabs at an elderly man...Awesome'Snipes_2

Why should someone be amune from commentary/criticism/jabs just because they're elderly? Being elderly gets you certain priviliges, discounts at the buffett, for example, but automatic deferrance is not one of them.

Obama is not Black...He's Half Black for starters :roll: Sorry, Racism card won't work for this.

He's black. He looks black, he identifies as black. If you did not know he had a white mother then you would not know any differently.

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#425 Snipes_2
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He's black. He looks black, he identifies as black. If you did not know he had a white mother then you would not know any differently.

worlock77

He has a White Mother...We know he does...Therefore, He is at least Half white.

I find it despicable taking jabs at an elderly man speaking his mind. If he was just criticizing his opinion okay...He clearly insulted the man though with that first Paragraph.

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#426 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

He's black. He looks black, he identifies as black. If you did not know he had a white mother then you would not know any differently.

Snipes_2

He has a White Mother...We know he does...Therefore, He is at least Half white.

I find it despicable taking jabs at an elderly man speaking his mind. If he was just criticizing his opinion okay...He clearly insulted the man though with that first Paragraph.

But it's not despicable for the elderly man to take jabs (racial ones among others) at the president?

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#427 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

He's black. He looks black, he identifies as black. If you did not know he had a white mother then you would not know any differently.

Serraph105

He has a White Mother...We know he does...Therefore, He is at least Half white.

I find it despicable taking jabs at an elderly man speaking his mind. If he was just criticizing his opinion okay...He clearly insulted the man though with that first Paragraph.

But it's not despicable for the elderly man to take jabs (racial ones among others) at the president?

I saw no Racial Jabs taken at the President.
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#428 TBoogy
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I think this thread clearly shows how the division would be if OT had a civil war. The sides are clearly shown here:

Those that think the man is a hero, and those who think he is senile. And others leaning slightly towards one of those sides. I'll call them sympathizers.

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#429 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

He's black. He looks black, he identifies as black. If you did not know he had a white mother then you would not know any differently.

Snipes_2

He has a White Mother...We know he does...Therefore, He is at least Half white.

I find it despicable taking jabs at an elderly man speaking his mind. If he was just criticizing his opinion okay...He clearly insulted the man though with that first Paragraph.

Yes, he's technically half-white. Why does this matter to you? You have no stake in what race the President identifies as. Again, why does the man get a pass just because he is elderly?

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#430 wstfld
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I think this thread clearly shows how the division would be if OT had a civil war. The sides are clearly shown here:

Those that think the man is a hero, and those who think he is senile. And others leaning slightly towards one of those sides. I'll call them sympathizers.

TBoogy
I don't think anyone believes the guy is senile, its just that this letter isn't anything special. Just the usual vague Obama-hates-America tea party stuff.
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#431 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

He's black. He looks black, he identifies as black. If you did not know he had a white mother then you would not know any differently.

worlock77

He has a White Mother...We know he does...Therefore, He is at least Half white.

I find it despicable taking jabs at an elderly man speaking his mind. If he was just criticizing his opinion okay...He clearly insulted the man though with that first Paragraph.

Yes, he's technically half-white. Why does this matter to you? You have no stake in what race the President identifies as. Again, why does the man get a pass just because he is elderly?

I never said he got a pass...I said I find it despicable insulting the man for his opinion.
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] That's not bravery...That's just...I don't know. Taking Jabs at an elderly man...Awesome. He failed to take note of Obama bowing to every foreign emissary but the Queen of England. Who you ARE Supposed to bow to. Obama is not Black...He's Half Black for starters :roll: Sorry, Racism card won't work for this.

I've never understand the American idea that his mother's skin colour makes the slightest difference to his. It's like calling someone half blonde.

Generally Genes carry over...He got his Mothers and Fathers genes...So therefore wouldn't he be at least partly white?

It's a physical description. Which part of his skin is white?
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#433 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] He has a White Mother...We know he does...Therefore, He is at least Half white.

I find it despicable taking jabs at an elderly man speaking his mind. If he was just criticizing his opinion okay...He clearly insulted the man though with that first Paragraph.

Snipes_2

Yes, he's technically half-white. Why does this matter to you? You have no stake in what race the President identifies as. Again, why does the man get a pass just because he is elderly?

I never said he got a pass...I said I find it despicable insulting the man for his opinion.

Then him being elderly has nothing to do with it.

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and just because of his age, and his previous service in the military (which I do commend), it does not mean that his opinion is any more worthy than that of any other American.Tauruslink

Actually considering how old he is and how much he has experienced being in the military that long, plus all of the things he has seen happened in his lifetime, I would say his opinion is more worthy than some 20 year old fatty who sits on the computer all day, jobless and doing nothing with his life (or someone similar to that). People who haven't seen sh*t in the world think they know everything, when they really don't.

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#435 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"] I've never understand the American idea that his mother's skin colour makes the slightest difference to his. It's like calling someone half blonde.

Generally Genes carry over...He got his Mothers and Fathers genes...So therefore wouldn't he be at least partly white?

It's a physical description. Which part of his skin is white?

Look at the man...
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#436 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yes, he's technically half-white. Why does this matter to you? You have no stake in what race the President identifies as. Again, why does the man get a pass just because he is elderly?

worlock77

I never said he got a pass...I said I find it despicable insulting the man for his opinion.

Then him being elderly has nothing to do with it.

No, Not really.
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I love patriots.

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#438 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I never said he got a pass...I said I find it despicable insulting the man for his opinion. Snipes_2

Then him being elderly has nothing to do with it.

No, Not really.

in which case you were doing the same thing to Colonel Drake

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I'll post here so i can get to it later.

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#440 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Then him being elderly has nothing to do with it.

Serraph105

No, Not really.

in which case you were doing the same thing to Colonel Drake

I was not insulting him :?
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#441 yagr_zero
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I don't agree with the man's ideas at all. I agree it takes guts to write that letter, but he was way off base with a lot on there.
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#442 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="BlakcCrow"]

I love this guy!!!! he has so much guts! Sorry eminem this guy is my new role model! jk but i love this guy!:D

TBoogy
Hmm. You like Eminem AND this guy? Liking this guy I assume you are a republican. Being a republican and liking Eminem, I assume you never heard the song about Bush blowing up the The Twin Towers?

Wha? Please tell me Eminem isn't a truther...
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#443 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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That guy is awesome :P...and i agree with everything he said..

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#444 jun_aka_pekto
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I didn't vote for Pres Obama. But he is the President and CiC of the US. I may not agree with him in many aspects. But, I do respect the rank. That means I'll keep personal insults in check and give him the benefit of the doubt. Come 2012, I'll show what I think of him. If we're still in the crapper, out he goes. If by chance he does turn this country around for the better, I may even vote for him.

It's just like Clinton. I didn't vote for him the first time. But, he did a decent job during his first term. So, I voted for that two-timing b****** in 1996. Same goes here in the present. We'll see.

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#445 67gt500
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When a man like this opines, every man, woman and child on this planet should stop, shut up and listen - even a President. No, especially a President...
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#446 herby344
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[QUOTE="Tauruslink"] and just because of his age, and his previous service in the military (which I do commend), it does not mean that his opinion is any more worthy than that of any other American.SilentSoprano

Actually considering how old he is and how much he has experienced being in the military that long, plus all of the things he has seen happened in his lifetime, I would say his opinion is more worthy than some 20 year old fatty who sits on the computer all day, jobless and doing nothing with his life (or someone similar to that). People who haven't seen sh*t in the world think they know everything, when they really don't.

Well said, it's crazy thinking of all the stuff that man witnessed in his life...

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#447 TBoogy
Member since 2007 • 4382 Posts
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I love this guy!!!! he has so much guts! Sorry eminem this guy is my new role model! jk but i love this guy!:D

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Hmm. You like Eminem AND this guy? Liking this guy I assume you are a republican. Being a republican and liking Eminem, I assume you never heard the song about Bush blowing up the The Twin Towers?

Wha? Please tell me Eminem isn't a truther...

Well, its not looking good. Sorry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vow7sD1LcbY&feature=related But I have to note that the song is Immortal Technique feat. Mos Def. Em's part is a sample. But I do know that Mos is a "Truther", and I always assumed that Em's part was there because he approved as well. I may be wrong though. (at the very least he said he wanted "the president dead".)
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#448 Chutebox
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I vote him for President, the guy got it all right.

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#449 GabuEx
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I don't agree with the man's ideas at all. I agree it takes guts to write that letter, but he was way off base with a lot on there.Yagr_Zero

I'm not quite sure I understand how it takes guts to write this, despite the number of people who have claimed as much - I'm sure that if I typed "obama anti-american" into Google I could find like a billion rants just like it.

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#450 worlock77
Member since 2009 • 22552 Posts

When a man like this opines, every man, woman and child on this planet should stop, shut up and listen - even a President. No, especially a President... 67gt500

Why should we care about his opinion any more than anyone else's?