Your thoughts about Islam ?

[QUOTE="killtactics"]you said "the muslim solution" to use the hijab to stop rape is a bad one... Atrus

Make a little more sense please. He brought up the question in a previous thread with rape, I answered this one while reiterating the last one as well.

They disrespect Women...

I dont think all Muslims are bad though.

This is something i found.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/025-Muhammads-sex-life.htm

AsakuraHao2004

and the bible isn't biased against women?

for a man to cheat on his wife? its acceptable for two people of the same sex to have a relationship when they cannot produce children? both of these are also not acceptable in islam and christianity and just because islamic law is stricter than english law why is that a bad thing maybe then no-one would be doing such things

nintendo_vip

I think the laws against such are fairly absurd myself, but there is one differentiator between the current Judeo-Christian society and the Islamic one. They don't execute people for such baseless things as a sexual orientation. In fact, they've progressed to a point where we can move forward from such primative thinking.

Islam, is still couched very much in that primitive way of thought.

this is nothing to do with any religion , but why is homosexual orite what justifies that two men or women have a relationship its not rite in my opinion if men were supose to have sex with other men then maybe they would be able to produce baybies but its not like that two people of the same sex cannot produce children so why promote such things as acceptable nintendo_vip

make a little more sense? read the last part of your ownpost on page 13 where you say the Muslim solution to using the hijab to stop rape in an inferior one...killtactics

You seem to not understand. I answered his question and brought up the same answer to the same question he himself brought up in a different thread. If you do not understand, then it does not concern you because you clearly are out of the loop on this part.

Christianity and Islam are basically the same religion... Allah and God ARE the same person. Muslims don't believe Christ as the messiah, but a prophet; as does Jews.MedicMike66

They are NOT the same religion. Christianity portrays Christ as the Son of God, whereas Islam portrays Him as a prophet. That alone completely seperates the two.

[QUOTE="nintendo_vip"]

for a man to cheat on his wife? its acceptable for two people of the same sex to have a relationship when they cannot produce children? both of these are also not acceptable in islam and christianity and just because islamic law is stricter than english law why is that a bad thing maybe then no-one would be doing such things

Atrus

I think the laws against such are fairly absurd myself, but there is one differentiator between the current Judeo-Christian society and the Islamic one. They don't execute people for such baseless things as a sexual orientation. In fact, they've progressed to a point where we can move forward from such primative thinking.

Islam, is still couched very much in that primitive way of thought.

how is it moving forward when you have millions of gay and lesbians in western culture its televised all over your t.v's and on the internet

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

Considering we have the highest rape rate in the world, I don't see how you are getting offended. Then you have to consider the amount of rapes that go unreported. Then you have to factor in how these rapes lead to the abortion issue as well. Then factor in divorce rates, children living with a single parent, STDs, AIDS. What about crime related to love and jealousy. I could go on and on about the ripple affect of promiscuousness, but i think you get the drift.

Men lust women. If you don't lust women as a man, you are broken. Hence women are instructed to dress modestly and hide their "ornaments" from people who arn't their husband and family. Concurrently, men are instructed to also be modest when dressing, and are told to lower their gaze. In other words, if you were to see Jessica Alba walk by in a tanktop/miniskirt, you should not holler at her.

However, at the end of the day. The Hijab is the choice, and is not supposed to be forced.

Atrus

No, the highest rape per capita is in the Africas and has been for quite some time. The West tracks rape far better than in muslim countries were failure to establish rape can lead to death, and where rape itself is an embarressing statistic to sweep under the carpet. Thus rape statistics in these countries are extremely conservative, whereas the West is as liberal as you can get in determining them.

Men may lust after women, but there is no such argument that says men must all be more inclined to violate the rights of a woman. It is an infantile argument that can only come from infantile dogma. Especially when it reinforces that women should be the ones to do something about it.

The muslim viewpoint is a form of indoctrinated inferiority complex. Any man that cannot handle himself in lieu of sexuality is my inferior, and one that is little better than the Ape he cares to differentiate himself from.

[QUOTE="AsakuraHao2004"]

They disrespect Women...

I dont think all Muslims are bad though.

This is something i found.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/025-Muhammads-sex-life.htm

MedicMike66

and the bible isn't biased against women?

No.:|

Christianity and Islam are basically the same religion... Allah and God ARE the same person. Muslims don't believe Christ as the messiah, but a prophet; as does Jews.MedicMike66

No...Jews take Jesus as nothing more than a mere man.

Islam doesnt even consider Jesus as the son of God.Those are MAJOR differences.

[QUOTE="AsakuraHao2004"]

They disrespect Women...

I dont think all Muslims are bad though.

This is something i found.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/025-Muhammads-sex-life.htm

MedicMike66

and the bible isn't biased against women?

Well, no.We dont have women as priests, but a lot of women have impacted Christianity.The saints are even more imprtant than a priest.

And who is the greatest Saint?

Mary, the mother of Jesus.

And if we were so biased, why would we have so many female followers?

Because were biased?

Thats definetely the reason..

[QUOTE="MedicMike66"]Christianity and Islam are basically the same religion... Allah and God ARE the same person. Muslims don't believe Christ as the messiah, but a prophet; as does Jews.AsakuraHao2004

No...Jews take Jesus as nothing more than a mere man.

Islam doesnt even consider Jesus as the son of God.Those are MAJOR differences.

[QUOTE="AsakuraHao2004"]

They disrespect Women...

I dont think all Muslims are bad though.

This is something i found.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/025-Muhammads-sex-life.htm

MedicMike66

and the bible isn't biased against women?

Well, no.We dont have women as priests, but a lot of women have impacted Christianity.The saints are even more imprtant than a priest.

And who is the greatest Saint?

Mary, the mother of Jesus.

And if we were so biased, why would we have so many female followers?

Because were biased?

Thats definetely the reason..

and in islam we see mothers as the most important person in your life to say we dont respect women is ubsurd also

[QUOTE="Two400"]I think we should all hug and be friends123625

いる

if only we all thought that way

[QUOTE="MedicMike66"]Christianity and Islam are basically the same religion... Allah and God ARE the same person. Muslims don't believe Christ as the messiah, but a prophet; as does Jews.AsakuraHao2004

No...Jews take Jesus as nothing more than a mere man.

Islam doesnt even consider Jesus as the son of God.Those are MAJOR differences.

[QUOTE="AsakuraHao2004"]

They disrespect Women...

I dont think all Muslims are bad though.

This is something i found.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/025-Muhammads-sex-life.htm

MedicMike66

and the bible isn't biased against women?

Well, no.We dont have women as priests, but a lot of women have impacted Christianity.The saints are even more imprtant than a priest.

And who is the greatest Saint?

Mary, the mother of Jesus.

And if we were so biased, why would we have so many female followers?

Because were biased?

Thats definetely the reason..

neither religion is biased... it's only ppl who have no idea what they are talking about and get there information form places like "evil bible" or what ever... also Mary is important in islam as well...killtactics

I've been to evilbible.com. . .that is literally the most biased, misinformed, prejidiced site I have ever seen, and I've been to the kkks site. . . .

have YOU ever read the quran, i'm guessing no, because if you had you'd know that it is very clear and easy to understand

now, have you ever heard the phrase "theres no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners".. same with religions, religions are perfect.. what aren't perfect are people.. and these "fundamentalists" probably do have a good understanding of the quran, but that doesn't mean they're not willing to twist andmanipulate to their own ends..

also you probably didn't now this, but in many"islamic" countries, people are discouraged form reading the quran, they're told its too difficult to understand (it isn't) and that they should rely on what the scholars tell them..

and in other non-islamic countries, muslims are discouraged from reading the quran, because, its too difficult to understand, and they should rely on what scholars tell them... do you see a patern here

if people, just used their brains, to think for themselves, they'd realise there is nothing difficult, about the quran, but because are discouraged from thinking for themselves it doesn't happen

so before you shout off about fundamentalists and extremists know best, you might wanna do a little research of your own..

here, i'll give you a starting block, ask all your muslim friends (if u have any, or just muslims u know, if u don't) if they've EVER read the entire quran, from beginning to end, and lemme knowhow many actually say yes

Bandit_Haze

Your excuse is just a True Scotsman fallacy. These antagonists self-identify as muslim as do their scholarly benefactors and are themselves muslim whether you agree with it or not. Hell I expect a full Jihad, an actual defense of Islam, from you and other so called moderates against these people who are incorrect. But at the moment it seems that the least lazy, and more passionate are the fundamentalists. All everyone else should have to do is come in and look at whoever remains once Muslims reach a "consensus" ie. a violent culling of their faith that will be synonymous with the Inquisitions and Crusades.

Furthermore, these radicals actually have a very high level of education themselves (incidentally so do a number of suicide bombers) and have had the resources to visit various Islamic schools abroad. These fundamentalists aren't the idiots you make them out to be, they're just fanatically loyal to their interpretation of the Quran, and they'll kill you to defend it. Namely because people actually believe it's the word of god, and when some people leave reality, they'll do some pretty unreal and inhuman things.

Lastly, my family is half-muslim. While the generation of my parents was too poor to afford schooling, the entirety of my cousins have the Quran memorized thanks to government subsidies and better economic prosperity. It's actually worked out worse for the country, given that increased exposure to Islam and foreign Islamic powers is pushing to more regression rather than less.

[QUOTE="killtactics"]neither religion is biased... it's only ppl who have no idea what they are talking about and get there information form places like "evil bible" or what ever... also Mary is important in islam as well...Silver_Dragon17

I've been to evilbible.com. . .that is literally the most biased, misinformed, prejidiced site I have ever seen, and I've been to the kkks site. . . .

how is it moving forward when you have millions of gay and lesbians in western culture its televised all over your t.v's and on the internet

nintendo_vip

Because that's not a bad thing?

But it is actually in the quran/koran that non-believers should be converted or killed and that they're worth less than muslims.

They also view women as inferior. My thoughts on islam are therefore pretty negative, not to mention all the extremistic fundamentalists.

Jelle87

Most religions seem to have these common ideas through out history, regardless which it is.

Did you skip over half of my post? How can you claim that women are the only ones who have to "do something about it", when I clearly stated that men also have to uphold their end of the Islamic code. Men, lower your gaze. Women, do not highlight your ornaments.

Secondly, are you honesty trying to defend men who are unable to control their sexual urges? Do you think it is wrong to clear you mind of sexual thought when in front of another lady? To not gauk at them and try to imagine what they have underneath. I'm sorry, but that doing such things in my view is barbaric.
rimnet00

There is a certain disparity between averting a gaze and having someone hide themselves. I am also far from defending men who are unable to control their sexual urges, I am however defending all men from being lumped into such an infantile generalization of a minority as you are so inclined to make.

What runs in a persons mind is their own business so long as it does not translate to an act of violationg of another individual.

Lastly, my family is half-muslim. While the generation of my parents was too poor to afford schooling, the entirety of my cousins have the Quran memorized thanks to government subsidies and better economic prosperity. It's actually worked out worse for the country, given that increased exposure to Islam and foreign Islamic powers is pushing to more regression rather than less.

Atrus

For someone with half a family who is Muslim, I am suprised as how little you actually know about Islam.

[QUOTE="Bandit_Haze"]

have YOU ever read the quran, i'm guessing no, because if you had you'd know that it is very clear and easy to understand

now, have you ever heard the phrase "theres no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners".. same with religions, religions are perfect.. what aren't perfect are people.. and these "fundamentalists" probably do have a good understanding of the quran, but that doesn't mean they're not willing to twist andmanipulate to their own ends..

also you probably didn't now this, but in many"islamic" countries, people are discouraged form reading the quran, they're told its too difficult to understand (it isn't) and that they should rely on what the scholars tell them..

and in other non-islamic countries, muslims are discouraged from reading the quran, because, its too difficult to understand, and they should rely on what scholars tell them... do you see a patern here

if people, just used their brains, to think for themselves, they'd realise there is nothing difficult, about the quran, but because are discouraged from thinking for themselves it doesn't happen

so before you shout off about fundamentalists and extremists know best, you might wanna do a little research of your own..

here, i'll give you a starting block, ask all your muslim friends (if u have any, or just muslims u know, if u don't) if they've EVER read the entire quran, from beginning to end, and lemme knowhow many actually say yes

Atrus

Your excuse is just a True Scotsman fallacy. These antagonists self-identify as muslim as do their scholarly benefactors and are themselves muslim whether you agree with it or not. Hell I expect a full Jihad, an actual defense of Islam, from you and other so called moderates against these people who are incorrect. But at the moment it seems that the least lazy, and more passionate are the fundamentalists. All everyone else should have to do is come in and look at whoever remains once Muslims reach a "consensus" ie. a violent culling of their faith that will be synonymous with the Inquisitions and Crusades.

Furthermore, these radicals actually have a very high level of education themselves (incidentally so do a number of suicide bombers) and have had the resources to visit various Islamic schools abroad. These fundamentalists aren't the idiots you make them out to be, they're just fanatically loyal to their interpretation of the Quran, and they'll kill you to defend it. Namely because people actually believe it's the word of god, and when some people leave reality, they'll do some pretty unreal and inhuman things.

Lastly, my family is half-muslim. While the generation of my parents was too poor to afford schooling, the entirety of my cousins have the Quran memorized thanks to government subsidies and better economic prosperity. It's actually worked out worse for the country, given that increased exposure to Islam and foreign Islamic powers is pushing to more regression rather than less.

[QUOTE="nintendo_vip"]

how is it moving forward when you have millions of gay and lesbians in western culture its televised all over your t.v's and on the internet

Atrus

Because that's not a bad thing?

yes indeed let our children and sisters and family allgather around the t.v and watch gay porn

[QUOTE="Atrus"]

Lastly, my family is half-muslim. While the generation of my parents was too poor to afford schooling, the entirety of my cousins have the Quran memorized thanks to government subsidies and better economic prosperity. It's actually worked out worse for the country, given that increased exposure to Islam and foreign Islamic powers is pushing to more regression rather than less.

rimnet00

For someone with half a family who is Muslim, I am suprised as how little you actually know about Islam.

Heard the type of users who are just there to argue?

For someone with half a family who is Muslim, I am suprised as how little you actually know about Islam.

rimnet00

Because as an apologist you'll never accept a viewpoint that does not ignore the blatent inequity of Islamic countries and even Islam itself.

It's all "a misunderstanding" to you and you'll happily repeat it with every execution of an apostate or homosexual. The very real deaths of people should unsettle you far more than it does.

[QUOTE="Atrus"][QUOTE="nintendo_vip"]

how is it moving forward when you have millions of gay and lesbians in western culture its televised all over your t.v's and on the internet

nintendo_vip

Because that's not a bad thing?

yes indeed let our children and sisters and family allgather around the t.v and watch gay porn

I think our society is worse off with ignorant prejudice people like you..

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]
Did you skip over half of my post? How can you claim that women are the only ones who have to "do something about it", when I clearly stated that men also have to uphold their end of the Islamic code. Men, lower your gaze. Women, do not highlight your ornaments.

Secondly, are you honesty trying to defend men who are unable to control their sexual urges? Do you think it is wrong to clear you mind of sexual thought when in front of another lady? To not gauk at them and try to imagine what they have underneath. I'm sorry, but that doing such things in my view is barbaric.
Atrus

There is a certain disparity between averting a gaze and having someone hide themselves. I am also far from defending men who are unable to control their sexual urges, I am however defending all men from being lumped into such an infantile generalization of a minority as you are so inclined to make.

What runs in a persons mind is their own business so long as it does not translate to an act of violationg of another individual.

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]
Did you skip over half of my post? How can you claim that women are the only ones who have to "do something about it", when I clearly stated that men also have to uphold their end of the Islamic code. Men, lower your gaze. Women, do not highlight your ornaments.

Secondly, are you honesty trying to defend men who are unable to control their sexual urges? Do you think it is wrong to clear you mind of sexual thought when in front of another lady? To not gauk at them and try to imagine what they have underneath. I'm sorry, but that doing such things in my view is barbaric.
Atrus

There is a certain disparity between averting a gaze and having someone hide themselves. I am also far from defending men who are unable to control their sexual urges, I am however defending all men from being lumped into such an infantile generalization of a minority as you are so inclined to make.

What runs in a persons mind is their own business so long as it does not translate to an act of violationg of another individual.

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

For someone with half a family who is Muslim, I am suprised as how little you actually know about Islam.

Atrus

Because as an apologist you'll never accept a viewpoint that does not ignore the blatent inequity of Islamic countries and even Islam itself.

It's all "a misunderstanding" to you and you'll happily repeat it with every execution of an apostate or homosexual. The very real deaths of people should unsettle you far more than it does.

How do you argue about something you simply don't have any knowledge in?

killtactics

Haha, beautiful =P

of cousre it seems the least lazy and most passionate muslims are fundamentalists... When was the last time a passionate moderate muslim made the news? "fox news alert: we have found 4 men who sit at home, read the qur'an and love there family and friends"....killtactics

Shouldn't that strike you odd then if moderates have less passion to defend their beliefs from these people who supposedly are 'mistaken'? By all means they should be the enemies of Islam to call a Jihad against no? By all means reach a concensus before trying to support a religion in the face of others doing the same in another way.

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

For someone with half a family who is Muslim, I am suprised as how little you actually know about Islam.

Atrus

Because as an apologist you'll never accept a viewpoint that does not ignore the blatent inequity of Islamic countries and even Islam itself.

It's all "a misunderstanding" to you and you'll happily repeat it with every execution of an apostate or homosexual. The very real deaths of people should unsettle you far more than it does.

[QUOTE="Atrus"]

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]
Did you skip over half of my post? How can you claim that women are the only ones who have to "do something about it", when I clearly stated that men also have to uphold their end of the Islamic code. Men, lower your gaze. Women, do not highlight your ornaments.

Secondly, are you honesty trying to defend men who are unable to control their sexual urges? Do you think it is wrong to clear you mind of sexual thought when in front of another lady? To not gauk at them and try to imagine what they have underneath. I'm sorry, but that doing such things in my view is barbaric.
rimnet00

There is a certain disparity between averting a gaze and having someone hide themselves. I am also far from defending men who are unable to control their sexual urges, I am however defending all men from being lumped into such an infantile generalization of a minority as you are so inclined to make.

What runs in a persons mind is their own business so long as it does not translate to an act of violationg of another individual.

Oh wait, so now I'm anti-Male?

How is the Hijab considering hiding yourself? It covers your hair. Just to clear something up, there is a big distrinction between the Burka and the Hijab. The Hijab is Islamically founded, while the Burka is culterally founded. [/QU

I'll asnwer that fot him since I'm a woman rim...

Hijab draws away the attention from a woman's body to a woman's mind! As simple as that!

[QUOTE="killtactics"]of cousre it seems the least lazy and most passionate muslims are fundamentalists... When was the last time a passionate moderate muslim made the news? "fox news alert: we have found 4 men who sit at home, read the qur'an and love there family and friends"....Atrus

Shouldn't that strike you odd then if moderates have less passion to defend their beliefs from these people who supposedly are 'mistaken'? By all means they should be the enemies of Islam to call a Jihad against no? By all means reach a concensus before trying to support a religion in the face of others doing the same in another way.

.... Wait what? You do know alot of these countries are in extreme poverty.. Honestly your ignorance startles me, explain to every one here just how these people can "defend their beliefs and stand up" when they can't even alot of times support their familes.. Many of these top terrorist are rich and educated because THEY can afford to focus full on their idea and not have to worry about how and when they are going to get their next meal.

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

For someone with half a family who is Muslim, I am suprised as how little you actually know about Islam.

Atrus

Because as an apologist you'll never accept a viewpoint that does not ignore the blatent inequity of Islamic countries and even Islam itself.

It's all "a misunderstanding" to you and you'll happily repeat it with every execution of an apostate or homosexual. The very real deaths of people should unsettle you far more than it does.

[QUOTE="Atrus"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]

For someone with half a family who is Muslim, I am suprised as how little you actually know about Islam.

killtactics

Because as an apologist you'll never accept a viewpoint that does not ignore the blatent inequity of Islamic countries and even Islam itself.

It's all "a misunderstanding" to you and you'll happily repeat it with every execution of an apostate or homosexual. The very real deaths of people should unsettle you far more than it does.

why accept what a person who has not read the qu'ran says and who bases his judgement on what western media portrays to him do not denounce your faith

How do you argue about something you simply don't have any knowledge in?

gamingqueen

I was born in an Islamic country, in an Islamic society of one of the most liberal Islamic nations in the world today. Yet, I can still educate myself on the inherent inequity of Islamic culture and religion.

Tell me, should apostates, homosexuals, and adulterers be executed, tortured or jailed? Hmm? It's one line of questioning every is keen on avoiding.

I am against misanthropy, and no matter how much I'm against it within the Judeo-Christian mindset, it's far better when contrasted with Islamic countries. You may not like it, but given you've not contributed to this thread enough for me to concern myself with it. I don't expect people who believe in fiction to punch through the illusion over night. There are people who do so, but like any critic, they have to hide themselves from execution.

I'll asnwer that fot him since I'm a woman rim...

Hijab draws away the attention from a woman's body to a woman's mind! As simple as that!

gamingqueen

[QUOTE="killtactics"]of cousre it seems the least lazy and most passionate muslims are fundamentalists... When was the last time a passionate moderate muslim made the news? "fox news alert: we have found 4 men who sit at home, read the qur'an and love there family and friends"....Atrus

Shouldn't that strike you odd then if moderates have less passion to defend their beliefs from these people who supposedly are 'mistaken'? By all means they should be the enemies of Islam to call a Jihad against no? By all means reach a concensus before trying to support a religion in the face of others doing the same in another way.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

How do you argue about something you simply don't have any knowledge in?

Atrus

I was born in an Islamic country, in an Islamic society of one of the most liberal Islamic nations in the world today. Yet, I can still educate myself on the inherent inequity of Islamic culture and religion.

Tell me, should apostates, homosexuals, and adulterers be executed, tortured or jailed? Hmm? It's one line of questioning every is keen on avoiding.

I am against misanthropy, and no matter how much I'm against it within the Judeo-Christian mindset, it's far better when contrasted with Islamic countries. You may not like it, but given you've not contributed to this thread enough for me to concern myself with it. I don't expect people who believe in fiction to punch through the illusion over night. There are people who do so, but like any critic, they have to hide themselves from execution.

And which country is that? Do me a favour and stop watching roo much TV.

[QUOTE="vitriolboy"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Atrus"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

IF THEY ARE TRUE MUSLIMS, THEY WOULD NEVER TEASE ANY WOMAN.OTHERWISE THEY ARE NOT TRUE MUSLIMS, AT ALL.

killtactics

Ah....true muslims - the old 'get out of jail free' clause lol

Whether you think people are 'true' muslims or not, the millions of people in middle eastern countries consider themselves to be muslim, and believe their culture to be islamic culture.

Also to people who quote bible extracts that portray equally sexist and discriminatory verses, this doesnt justify the islamic position, all it does it highlight how these religions all seek to denigrate women. Thankfully rationalism has overcome christianity in the majority of the west, religion is more like an afterthought, unlike in islamic countries where it is as destructive as ever

I'm not american but slavery was a global issue, not just limited to america. The issue of African tribal chieftans selling their own people into slavery always gets overlooked as well.

Regarding national boundaries in the middle east, lines drawn in the sand demarking national territory may fluctuate depending on the era but the culture in the region has been the same for a long time

[QUOTE="Atrus"][QUOTE="nintendo_vip"]

how is it moving forward when you have millions of gay and lesbians in western culture its televised all over your t.v's and on the internet

nintendo_vip

Because that's not a bad thing?

yes indeed let our children and sisters and family allgather around the t.v and watch gay porn

But you would be happy watching heterosexual porn with your family? lol

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

I'll asnwer that fot him since I'm a woman rim...

Hijab draws away the attention from a woman's body to a woman's mind! As simple as that!

CptJSparrow

Tell that to Atrus guy not me!

Women hate it when men look somewhere else trust me. Whatever backgrounds they come from, whoever they were they hate it period. You gotta show some respect we're not objects!

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

How do you argue about something you simply don't have any knowledge in?

Atrus

I was born in an Islamic country, in an Islamic society of one of the most liberal Islamic nations in the world today. Yet, I can still educate myself on the inherent inequity of Islamic culture and religion.

Tell me, should apostates, homosexuals, and adulterers be executed, tortured or jailed? Hmm? It's one line of questioning every is keen on avoiding.

I am against misanthropy, and no matter how much I'm against it within the Judeo-Christian mindset, it's far better when contrasted with Islamic countries. You may not like it, but given you've not contributed to this thread enough for me to concern myself with it. I don't expect people who believe in fiction to punch through the illusion over night. There are people who do so, but like any critic, they have to hide themselves from execution.

Has it ever occured to you that this is common amongst all religions when it controls the country.. Look at the dark ages where Christainty ran Europe you will see quite a few similarities.. Lets not forget that quite a few ethnic cleansings in Africa was brought upon religion, namely Christanity as well as a few others.. So it deems to reckon that religion in general when it controls a society creates inequality, violence and other things.

Hell I bet half of you guys don't even realize the largest concentration of Islam isn't even located in the Middle East.

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Atrus"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]

For someone with half a family who is Muslim, I am suprised as how little you actually know about Islam.

nintendo_vip

Because as an apologist you'll never accept a viewpoint that does not ignore the blatent inequity of Islamic countries and even Islam itself.

It's all "a misunderstanding" to you and you'll happily repeat it with every execution of an apostate or homosexual. The very real deaths of people should unsettle you far more than it does.

why accept what a person who has not read the qu'ran says and who bases his judgement on what western media portrays to him do not denounce your faith

[QUOTE="nintendo_vip"][QUOTE="Atrus"][QUOTE="nintendo_vip"]

how is it moving forward when you have millions of gay and lesbians in western culture its televised all over your t.v's and on the internet

vitriolboy

Because that's not a bad thing?

yes indeed let our children and sisters and family allgather around the t.v and watch gay porn

But you would be happy watching heterosexual porn with your family? lol

no, hope that answered your quetion