Zimmerman doctor confirms broken nose, autopsy of Martin shows knuckle abrasions

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#51 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"]Talking about evidence <> Racismtoast_burner

Only racists look for evidence. Morally superior people go by what is correct, not by what is proven.

Without proof....you cannot know what is correct. But I'm hoping you're just trolling here and not serious....
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] did you not hear the 911 tapes? Trayvon walked away from Zimmerman, Zimmerman told the dispatcher i'm going to follow him, the dispatcher said no don't follow him wait for the cops. Please stop speaking idiot to me, its to early in the morning for that.

oh please..you brought the stupid early...I'm just here to contain it...we're talking confrontation...if this kid was dumb enough to jump the guy with the gun..(like you said you would do earlier)..then he is indeed the instigator....Zimmerman can follow him around for hours...but if this kid jumped him...he is instigating the confrontation..what is so damn tough to understand about that?...
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"]Talking about evidence <> Racismtoast_burner

Only racists look for evidence. Morally superior people go by what is correct, not by what is proven.

I have clearly seen the light. Forgive me.

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Talking about evidence <> RacismRenevent42

Listen, with this case, anything that may support Zimmerman is considered racist.

There is no way Zimmerman is getting a fair trial here. All evidence that points to Martin attacking Zimmerman will instantly be labeled racist and people will dismiss it as a coverup. That's all I've been seeing with this trial.

The way this case was portrayed in the media put Zimmeran out to be hung.

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[QUOTE="Renevent42"]Talking about evidence <> Racismtoast_burner

Only racists look for evidence. Morally superior people go by what is correct, not by what is proven.

racist.....
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Zimmerman will walk on self defense grounds... I'm already expecting that. He's a genuine loser either way though, for shooting a kid who attacked (or didn't, I dont know) him. :lol: And good luck to him living a "free" life once he walks.
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#57 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"]Talking about evidence <> RacismWasdie

Listen, with this case, anything that may support Zimmerman is considered racist.

There is no way Zimmerman is getting a fair trial here. All evidence that points to Martin attacking Zimmerman will instantly be labeled racist and people will dismiss it as a coverup. That's all I've been seeing with this trial.

The way this case was portrayed in the media put Zimmeran out to be hung.

I agree the media coverage was a sham and blatantly tried to make this into a racist hot button issue. I'd even agree the new DA seems to have really overstepped reason and bowed to public pressure with the murder 2 charge. I do think, however, Zimmerman can get a fair trail once it actually gets there. The travesty is if in fact all the evidence corroborates Zimmerman and the first decision to not charge him was the correct one, this is a really sad story for Zimmerman and he should have never had to go through this.
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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]Zimmerman will walk on self defense grounds... I'm already expecting that. He's a genuine loser either way though, for shooting a kid who attacked (or didn't, I dont know) him. :lol: And good luck to him living a "free" life once he walks.

So if one is indeed the victim of a crime and defends oneself....you're okay with their life being ruined?
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#59 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]Zimmerman will walk on self defense grounds... I'm already expecting that. He's a genuine loser either way though, for shooting a kid who attacked (or didn't, I dont know) him. :lol: And good luck to him living a "free" life once he walks.

How does getting your arse handed to you by a 17 year old football player make you a looser? At 17 I could have kicked lots of adults asses.
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Zimmerman will walk on self defense grounds... I'm already expecting that. He's a genuine loser either way though, for shooting a kid who attacked (or didn't, I dont know) him. :lol: And good luck to him living a "free" life once he walks. Maniacc1

If you had a gun while some dude is beating the **** out of you, would you use it? Its technically legal if you feel your life is threatened. I'm not saying his life WAS in danger, but then again it could have. We don't know.

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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] did you not hear the 911 tapes? Trayvon walked away from Zimmerman, Zimmerman told the dispatcher i'm going to follow him, the dispatcher said no don't follow him wait for the cops. Please stop speaking idiot to me, its to early in the morning for that.

oh please..you brought the stupid early...I'm just here to contain it...we're talking confrontation...if this kid was dumb enough to jump the guy with the gun..(like you said you would do earlier)..then he is indeed the instigator....Zimmerman can follow him around for hours...but if this kid jumped him...he is instigating the confrontation..what is so damn tough to understand about that?...

The person jumping on the one who has a gun is the instigator? :| People get killed all the time because they try to take away the gun from someone mugging them I guess they're just instigator and the burglar is totally innocent so they deserve to die.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] whelp?...LOLZ... anyway...if he walked away there would be no physical damage to either person.....you're clearly talking out of your arse now...

did you not hear the 911 tapes? Trayvon walked away from Zimmerman, Zimmerman told the dispatcher i'm going to follow him, the dispatcher said no don't follow him wait for the cops. Please stop speaking idiot to me, its to early in the morning for that.

I did hear the 911 tapes. And Zimmerman was going back to his SUV to await the police. He told 911 he lost the kid.

i really don't see how you guys are defending this guy, let me ask you this, why would you put yourself in that situation? You see a person who looks suspicious, the person leaves and your suppose to call the cops and wait for them. Why the hell would you follow them? you don't know what they have on them or what they are capable of. He was the neighborhood watchmen, thats all he is suppose to do is watch and alert the cops. You don't grab a gun and try to take justice in your own hands and play detective, thats what cops are for. If Trayvon was on his property thats a whole different issue. Also what saddens me is the race issue with this case, this thing should have nothing to do with race, an unarmed 17 year old kid is killed because a dumba** with a gun got trigger happy. But like i said i don't care if he goes to jail or not, I'm sure his life isn't going to be pleasant and he's going to have to go into hiding for a long time if he's found guilty because i know theres alot of people who would like to get revenge for Trayvon. Also i find it funny you guys like to tell people their wrong, if you weren't there then your just as wrong as them. Theres a reason the police chief stepped down because they knew damn well they handled this case wrongly and if it wasn't for facebook and his parents plea for help then Zimmerman would have gotten away without a trial. I'm out
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Why are people still going on about this?
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According to my sources, Zimmerman was also paid (under the table, making sure no records were kept) a sum of $5.38 (to cover the cost of a Double Western Bacon Cheeseburger at Carls Jr) by the KKK to assassinate Travyon and then claim self defense. The injuries on Zimmerman were inflicted by two (unnamed) KKK members who left the scene immediately after the shooting (they were making sure he would go through with it) in order to present a self defense situation occurred. And like Wasdie mentioned, Zimmerman then took Trayvon hands and rammed them into the concrete to make it look like there was a fight. All this information was given to me by my friend's sister's cousin's neighbor's drug dealer's hooker's best friend's mother's son who is currently in the KKK.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"]Zimmerman will walk on self defense grounds... I'm already expecting that. He's a genuine loser either way though, for shooting a kid who attacked (or didn't, I dont know) him. :lol: And good luck to him living a "free" life once he walks.

So if one is indeed the victim of a crime and defends oneself....you're okay with their life being ruined?

Personally, I'm not okay with it. But I know better than to think he'll life a normal life. This whole thing has become a tragedy for everyone involved.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] did you not hear the 911 tapes? Trayvon walked away from Zimmerman, Zimmerman told the dispatcher i'm going to follow him, the dispatcher said no don't follow him wait for the cops. Please stop speaking idiot to me, its to early in the morning for that.

oh please..you brought the stupid early...I'm just here to contain it...we're talking confrontation...if this kid was dumb enough to jump the guy with the gun..(like you said you would do earlier)..then he is indeed the instigator....Zimmerman can follow him around for hours...but if this kid jumped him...he is instigating the confrontation..what is so damn tough to understand about that?...

The person jumping on the one who has a gun is the instigator? :| People get killed all the time because they try to take away the gun from someone mugging them I guess they're just instigator and the burglar is totally innocent so they deserve to die.

No evidence to suggest Zimmerman had the weapon out...in fact there was according to him a struggle when he tried to get to it with Martin. Which is plausible enough to believe. The eyewitness and the injuries corroborate his story. Thus far nothing has to come to light to contradict it.
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This means nothing because it was Zimmerman who started the confrontation. Martin was standing his ground; he was leery of Zimmerman because Zimmerman was stalking him in his car late at night. Hence, Martin is not the bad guy here.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] The person jumping on the one who has a gun is the instigator? :| People get killed all the time because they try to take away the gun from someone mugging them I guess they're just instigator and the burglar is totally innocent so they deserve to die.

what the hell does one have to do with the other?....do you think before you type this stuff out?..
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] did you not hear the 911 tapes? Trayvon walked away from Zimmerman, Zimmerman told the dispatcher i'm going to follow him, the dispatcher said no don't follow him wait for the cops. Please stop speaking idiot to me, its to early in the morning for that.Chris_Williams
I did hear the 911 tapes. And Zimmerman was going back to his SUV to await the police. He told 911 he lost the kid.

i really don't see how you guys are defending this guy, let me ask you this, why would you put yourself in that situation? You see a person who looks suspicious, the person leaves and your suppose to call the cops and wait for them. Why the hell would you follow them? you don't know what they have on them or what they are capable of. He was the neighborhood watchmen, thats all he is suppose to do is watch and alert the cops. You don't grab a gun and try to take justice in your own hands and play detective, thats what cops are for. If Trayvon was on his property thats a whole different issue. Also what saddens me is the race issue with this case, this thing should have nothing to do with race, an unarmed 17 year old kid is killed because a dumba** with a gun got trigger happy. But like i said i don't care if he goes to jail or not, I'm sure his life isn't going to be pleasant and he's going to have to go into hiding for a long time if he's found guilty because i know theres alot of people who would like to get revenge for Trayvon. Also i find it funny you guys like to tell people their wrong, if you weren't there then your just as wrong as them. Theres a reason the police chief stepped down because they knew damn well they handled this case wrongly and if it wasn't for facebook and his parents plea for help then Zimmerman would have gotten away without a trial. I'm out

Did you even read what I wrote?

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This means nothing because it was Zimmerman who started the confrontation. Martin was standing his ground; he was leery of Zimmerman because Zimmerman was stalking him in his car late at night. Hence, Martin is not the bad guy here.

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You clearly don't know how self-defense works.
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This means nothing because it was Zimmerman who started the confrontation. Martin was standing his ground; he was leery of Zimmerman because Zimmerman was stalking him in his car late at night. Hence, Martin is not the bad guy here.

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Oh you were there to see what happened? Or are you talking out of your ass again?
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According to my sources, Zimmerman was also paid (under the table, making sure no records were kept) a sum of $5.38 (to cover the cost of a Double Western Bacon Cheeseburger at Carls Jr) by the KKK to assassinate Travyon and then claim self defense. The injuries on Zimmerman were inflicted by two (unnamed) KKK members who left the scene immediately after the shooting (they were making sure he would go through with it) in order to present a self defense situation occurred. And like Wasdie mentioned, Zimmerman then took Trayvon hands and rammed them into the concrete to make it look like there was a fight. All this information was given to me by my friend's sister's cousin's neighbor's drug dealer's hooker's best friend's mother's son who is currently in the KKK.Stevo_the_gamer

If i draw a diagram and place the victim in a position he wasn't actually in, you can see that the bullet path doesn't match the wounds. there must have been a second shooter involved.

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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] did you not hear the 911 tapes? Trayvon walked away from Zimmerman, Zimmerman told the dispatcher i'm going to follow him, the dispatcher said no don't follow him wait for the cops. Please stop speaking idiot to me, its to early in the morning for that.

oh please..you brought the stupid early...I'm just here to contain it...we're talking confrontation...if this kid was dumb enough to jump the guy with the gun..(like you said you would do earlier)..then he is indeed the instigator....Zimmerman can follow him around for hours...but if this kid jumped him...he is instigating the confrontation..what is so damn tough to understand about that?...

Zimmerman is the idiot, hey i'm going to follow this person who i never seen before and who looks suspicious to me and put my life in danger even though I just called the cops and they are on their way, her derrrr
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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]Zimmerman will walk on self defense grounds... I'm already expecting that. He's a genuine loser either way though, for shooting a kid who attacked (or didn't, I dont know) him. :lol: And good luck to him living a "free" life once he walks. Pikdum

If you had a gun while some dude is beating the **** out of you, would you use it? Its technically legal if you feel your life is threatened. I'm not saying his life WAS in danger, but then again it could have. We don't know.

If I was minding my own business and someone started brutally attacking me, sure I'd consider it. But neither seems to be the case here. Zimmerman was sticking his nose in business that didn't belong to him, and he does not appear to have been brutally attacked considering the wounds that have surfaced.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] did you not hear the 911 tapes? Trayvon walked away from Zimmerman, Zimmerman told the dispatcher i'm going to follow him, the dispatcher said no don't follow him wait for the cops. Please stop speaking idiot to me, its to early in the morning for that.

oh please..you brought the stupid early...I'm just here to contain it...we're talking confrontation...if this kid was dumb enough to jump the guy with the gun..(like you said you would do earlier)..then he is indeed the instigator....Zimmerman can follow him around for hours...but if this kid jumped him...he is instigating the confrontation..what is so damn tough to understand about that?...

The person jumping on the one who has a gun is the instigator? :| People get killed all the time because they try to take away the gun from someone mugging them I guess they're just instigator and the burglar is totally innocent so they deserve to die.

Boy that's a lot of assumptions there. You have no idea if Martin knew Zimmerman even had a gun...even if he did attacking someone because they have a gun is illegal unless that person is using the gun to threaten or attack you. I think it's pretty reasonable to guess that Martin had no idea Zimmerman had a gun in the first place...I'd wager Martin wouldn't have fought with him had he known.
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

This means nothing because it was Zimmerman who started the confrontation. Martin was standing his ground; he was leery of Zimmerman because Zimmerman was stalking him in his car late at night. Hence, Martin is not the bad guy here.

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Oh you were there to see what happened? Or are you talking out of your ass again?

like you always do?
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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] The person jumping on the one who has a gun is the instigator? :| People get killed all the time because they try to take away the gun from someone mugging them I guess they're just instigator and the burglar is totally innocent so they deserve to die.

what the hell does one have to do with the other?....do you think before you type this stuff out?..

What? you're saying a person that jumps on the one with a gun is the instigator, I'm telling you that many times that's not the case.
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] did you not hear the 911 tapes? Trayvon walked away from Zimmerman, Zimmerman told the dispatcher i'm going to follow him, the dispatcher said no don't follow him wait for the cops. Please stop speaking idiot to me, its to early in the morning for that.

oh please..you brought the stupid early...I'm just here to contain it...we're talking confrontation...if this kid was dumb enough to jump the guy with the gun..(like you said you would do earlier)..then he is indeed the instigator....Zimmerman can follow him around for hours...but if this kid jumped him...he is instigating the confrontation..what is so damn tough to understand about that?...

Zimmerman is the idiot, hey i'm going to follow this person who i never seen before and who looks suspicious to me and put my life in danger even though I just called the cops and they are on their way, her derrrr

You are actually arguing Zimmerman's case...following someone doesn't necessarily put your life in danger...unless of course that person is a violent thug who would attack you.
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[QUOTE="Pikdum"]

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]Zimmerman will walk on self defense grounds... I'm already expecting that. He's a genuine loser either way though, for shooting a kid who attacked (or didn't, I dont know) him. :lol: And good luck to him living a "free" life once he walks. Maniacc1

If you had a gun while some dude is beating the **** out of you, would you use it? Its technically legal if you feel your life is threatened. I'm not saying his life WAS in danger, but then again it could have. We don't know.

If I was minding my own business and someone started brutally attacking me, sure I'd consider it. But neither seems to be the case here. Zimmerman was sticking his nose in business that didn't belong to him, and he does not appear to have been brutally attacked considering the wounds that have surfaced.

Technically he was a neighborhood watch....so it was his business.
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] oh please..you brought the stupid early...I'm just here to contain it...we're talking confrontation...if this kid was dumb enough to jump the guy with the gun..(like you said you would do earlier)..then he is indeed the instigator....Zimmerman can follow him around for hours...but if this kid jumped him...he is instigating the confrontation..what is so damn tough to understand about that?...

The person jumping on the one who has a gun is the instigator? :| People get killed all the time because they try to take away the gun from someone mugging them I guess they're just instigator and the burglar is totally innocent so they deserve to die.

Boy that's a lot of assumptions there. You have no idea if Martin knew Zimmerman even had a gun...even if he did attacking someone because they have a gun is illegal unless that person is using the gun to threaten or attack you. I think it's pretty reasonable to guess that Martin had no idea Zimmerman had a gun in the first place...I'd wager Martin wouldn't have fought with him had he known.

But you're making as much assumptions as I'm making considering there's not even a trial yet :|
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]According to my sources, Zimmerman was also paid (under the table, making sure no records were kept) a sum of $5.38 (to cover the cost of a Double Western Bacon Cheeseburger at Carls Jr) by the KKK to assassinate Travyon and then claim self defense. The injuries on Zimmerman were inflicted by two (unnamed) KKK members who left the scene immediately after the shooting (they were making sure he would go through with it) in order to present a self defense situation occurred. And like Wasdie mentioned, Zimmerman then took Trayvon hands and rammed them into the concrete to make it look like there was a fight. All this information was given to me by my friend's sister's cousin's neighbor's drug dealer's hooker's best friend's mother's son who is currently in the KKK.toast_burner

If i draw a diagram and place the victim in a position he wasn't actually in, you can see that the bullet path doesn't match the wounds. there must have been a second shooter involved.

Are you sure? That means that he didn't go through with it, and that means he didn't get the money to buy his burger. If so, twas' a sad day for Zimmerman.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

This means nothing because it was Zimmerman who started the confrontation. Martin was standing his ground; he was leery of Zimmerman because Zimmerman was stalking him in his car late at night. Hence, Martin is not the bad guy here.

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Oh you were there to see what happened? Or are you talking out of your ass again?

like you always do?

I never do. Whether someone agrees with me or not...I have reasons for what I post. And I present them. You on the other hand have done nothing in this thread but show us how clueless you are....
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] The person jumping on the one who has a gun is the instigator? :| People get killed all the time because they try to take away the gun from someone mugging them I guess they're just instigator and the burglar is totally innocent so they deserve to die.kuraimen
Boy that's a lot of assumptions there. You have no idea if Martin knew Zimmerman even had a gun...even if he did attacking someone because they have a gun is illegal unless that person is using the gun to threaten or attack you. I think it's pretty reasonable to guess that Martin had no idea Zimmerman had a gun in the first place...I'd wager Martin wouldn't have fought with him had he known.

But you're making as much assumptions as I'm making considering there's not even a trial yet :|

Actually I'm not. Even in my very first post I said we don't know who started the fight...I'm merely pointing out what the evidence suggests at this point, and that's the physical evidence does corroborate partially Zimmerman's story. People prior were trying to say Zimmerman didn't even have any injuries and that it was all just lies. Obviously not the case here...

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#84 Omni-Slash
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] Zimmerman is the idiot, hey i'm going to follow this person who i never seen before and who looks suspicious to me and put my life in danger even though I just called the cops and they are on their way, her derrrr

okay so we've gone from martin was right in jumping him because you would have done the same thing...to Zimmerman not being smart by following him.......heck while we are at it Zimmerman should not have even joined the neighborhood watch.....that was really dumb.. ..it was his neighborhood....he didn't think some dumbass kid was going to jump him just for keeping tabs on him...(f that is indeed what happened)........I think the world would be a better place if no-one bothered looking out for each other and did less.....
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] The person jumping on the one who has a gun is the instigator? :| People get killed all the time because they try to take away the gun from someone mugging them I guess they're just instigator and the burglar is totally innocent so they deserve to die.

what the hell does one have to do with the other?....do you think before you type this stuff out?..

What? you're saying a person that jumps on the one with a gun is the instigator, I'm telling you that many times that's not the case.

Legally the instigator is the one that first causes the violence. Doesn't matter who had the gun. I don't know where you get that from....
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#86 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="Pikdum"]

If you had a gun while some dude is beating the **** out of you, would you use it? Its technically legal if you feel your life is threatened. I'm not saying his life WAS in danger, but then again it could have. We don't know.

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If I was minding my own business and someone started brutally attacking me, sure I'd consider it. But neither seems to be the case here. Zimmerman was sticking his nose in business that didn't belong to him, and he does not appear to have been brutally attacked considering the wounds that have surfaced.

Technically he was a neighborhood watch....so it was his business.

Maybe Martin didn't know that. If you see a person following you you just don't stop and ask him if he's the neighbourhood watch or a burglar.
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#87 Maniacc1
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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="Pikdum"]

If you had a gun while some dude is beating the **** out of you, would you use it? Its technically legal if you feel your life is threatened. I'm not saying his life WAS in danger, but then again it could have. We don't know.

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If I was minding my own business and someone started brutally attacking me, sure I'd consider it. But neither seems to be the case here. Zimmerman was sticking his nose in business that didn't belong to him, and he does not appear to have been brutally attacked considering the wounds that have surfaced.

Technically he was a neighborhood watch....so it was his business.

I'd say a responsible neighborhood watch would have identified Trayvon as the opposite of a threat. He called the police and said he looked suspicious. That's what a good neighborhood watch does. Then he stupidly decided to take matters into his own hands.
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#88 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"] If I was minding my own business and someone started brutally attacking me, sure I'd consider it. But neither seems to be the case here. Zimmerman was sticking his nose in business that didn't belong to him, and he does not appear to have been brutally attacked considering the wounds that have surfaced.

Technically he was a neighborhood watch....so it was his business.

Maybe Martin didn't know that. If you see a person following you you just don't stop and ask him if he's the neighbourhood watch or a burglar.

So? I'd walk faster and lose the dude myself. Not come round to confront him.
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#89 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] what the hell does one have to do with the other?....do you think before you type this stuff out?..

What? you're saying a person that jumps on the one with a gun is the instigator, I'm telling you that many times that's not the case.

Legally the instigator is the one that first causes the violence. Doesn't matter who had the gun. I don't know where you get that from....

So if a guy is pointing a gun at me trying to mug me and I jump on him I'm the instigator? isn't the guy threatening me also violent?
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"] If I was minding my own business and someone started brutally attacking me, sure I'd consider it. But neither seems to be the case here. Zimmerman was sticking his nose in business that didn't belong to him, and he does not appear to have been brutally attacked considering the wounds that have surfaced.

Technically he was a neighborhood watch....so it was his business.

Maybe Martin didn't know that. If you see a person following you you just don't stop and ask him if he's the neighbourhood watch or a burglar.

So what? Not knowing someone is a neighborhood watch doesn't give you the right to assault that person (if Martin attacked first).
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] What? you're saying a person that jumps on the one with a gun is the instigator, I'm telling you that many times that's not the case.

I'm talking this case...was Zimmerman mugging this kid?...if so I missed that one....
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] oh please..you brought the stupid early...I'm just here to contain it...we're talking confrontation...if this kid was dumb enough to jump the guy with the gun..(like you said you would do earlier)..then he is indeed the instigator....Zimmerman can follow him around for hours...but if this kid jumped him...he is instigating the confrontation..what is so damn tough to understand about that?...Renevent42
Zimmerman is the idiot, hey i'm going to follow this person who i never seen before and who looks suspicious to me and put my life in danger even though I just called the cops and they are on their way, her derrrr

You are actually arguing Zimmerman's case...following someone doesn't necessarily put your life in danger...unless of course that person is a violent thug who would attack you.

You know Zimmerman was arrested for domestic violence and attacking a cop right?, The more you know

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#93 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] What? you're saying a person that jumps on the one with a gun is the instigator, I'm telling you that many times that's not the case. kuraimen
Legally the instigator is the one that first causes the violence. Doesn't matter who had the gun. I don't know where you get that from....

So if a guy is pointing a gun at me trying to mug me and I jump on him I'm the instigator? isn't the guy threatening me also violent?

Again, you are making your arguments by jumping to conclusions and using situations that are not supported by any of the evidence.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Technically he was a neighborhood watch....so it was his business.

Maybe Martin didn't know that. If you see a person following you you just don't stop and ask him if he's the neighbourhood watch or a burglar.

So? I'd walk faster and lose the dude myself. Not come round to confront him.

People act differently and unpredictably in many situations that doesn't mean that because he did a stupid thing that he deserved to die and that the other dude is innocent.
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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"] If I was minding my own business and someone started brutally attacking me, sure I'd consider it. But neither seems to be the case here. Zimmerman was sticking his nose in business that didn't belong to him, and he does not appear to have been brutally attacked considering the wounds that have surfaced.

Technically he was a neighborhood watch....so it was his business.

I'd say a responsible neighborhood watch would have identified Trayvon as the opposite of a threat. He called the police and said he looked suspicious. That's what a good neighborhood watch does. Then he stupidly decided to take matters into his own hands.

Following someone isn't illegal. He did call 911. He also stated he lost Martin. So if he lost him....it must have been Martin's idea to make sure he saw him again.....
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#96 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] What? you're saying a person that jumps on the one with a gun is the instigator, I'm telling you that many times that's not the case.

I'm talking this case...was Zimmerman mugging this kid?...if so I missed that one....

No but the situation can be equivalent if Zimmerman was following him with a gun it's obvious trayvon would've felt threatened.
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#97 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Maybe Martin didn't know that. If you see a person following you you just don't stop and ask him if he's the neighbourhood watch or a burglar.

So? I'd walk faster and lose the dude myself. Not come round to confront him.

People act differently and unpredictably in many situations that doesn't mean that because he did a stupid thing that he deserved to die and that the other dude is innocent.

If he was assaulting Zimmerman in the manner the evidence seems to suggest, then yes, Zimmerman was in the right.
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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Technically he was a neighborhood watch....so it was his business.LJS9502_basic
I'd say a responsible neighborhood watch would have identified Trayvon as the opposite of a threat. He called the police and said he looked suspicious. That's what a good neighborhood watch does. Then he stupidly decided to take matters into his own hands.

Following someone isn't illegal. He did call 911. He also stated he lost Martin. So if he lost him....it must have been Martin's idea to make sure he saw him again.....

Maybe he lied when he said he lost him in order to cover his tracks.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Maybe Martin didn't know that. If you see a person following you you just don't stop and ask him if he's the neighbourhood watch or a burglar.

So? I'd walk faster and lose the dude myself. Not come round to confront him.

People act differently and unpredictably in many situations that doesn't mean that because he did a stupid thing that he deserved to die and that the other dude is innocent.

However, the evidence does suggest Martin was the aggressor. Would you be happy if Martin had managed to kill Zimmerman when he was bashing his head on concrete? Why is it that people WANT to believe Martin was innocent? And at this point they have to want to do so since the evidence is mounting that he wasn't.
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#100 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] Zimmerman is the idiot, hey i'm going to follow this person who i never seen before and who looks suspicious to me and put my life in danger even though I just called the cops and they are on their way, her derrrrChris_Williams

You are actually arguing Zimmerman's case...following someone doesn't necessarily put your life in danger...unless of course that person is a violent thug who would attack you.

You know Zimmerman was arrested for domestic violence and attacking a cop right?, The more you know

Yup I do know that. Unrelated to the events of that night. Martin has his history too...but I'm trying to keep to the events of that night ;)