[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]This doesn't really tell us much.airshocker
Abrasions on the knuckles tell us a great deal, actually.
Not really. It doesn't tell us who initiated the confrontation.This topic is locked from further discussion.
[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"]
Regardless, it's not looking good.
If Zimmerman is cleared
There will be a riot and Al Sharpton and Spike Lee will command it.
Necrifer
They're calling for a race war.
That would be saddening.
If that happens...they should be tried next for inciting violence. Actually they should be tried now.[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"]
Regardless, it's not looking good.
If Zimmerman is cleared
There will be a riot and Al Sharpton and Spike Lee will command it.
Necrifer
They're calling for a race war.
That would be saddening.
Yep. They need to learn to choose their battles. Some people need to realize that they don't need to voice their opinion on every single subject. Spike Lee needs to focus on not insulting good Film Directors and Al Sharpton should focus on which suicide method is the fastest and least painful. W.E.B Dubois warned of dubious leaders who will lead the money straight into their pockets.Not really. It doesn't tell us who initiated the confrontation. -Sun_Tzu-
That's not what knuckle abrasions are supposed to tell us...
Knuckle abrasions corroborate the reports that Trayvon was hitting Zimmerman.
[QUOTE="airshocker"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]This doesn't really tell us much.-Sun_Tzu-
Abrasions on the knuckles tell us a great deal, actually.
Not really. It doesn't tell us who initiated the confrontation. No alone, no. The fact Martin had no other wounds (just his knuckles and his gun shot wound) shows that at the very least, Zimmerman did not strike him. You could of course argue that Zimmerman swung and missed, but I think that's a hard sell if you are going on the premise that he just starting attacking Martin with no provocation.Well, yeah...someone died.
That's messed up.Necrifer
[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]
That's what I'm saying. Nothing good will come out of this. Both sides are at least partially at fault and both sides will live dramatically different lives because of it. No one even wins!
Palantas
One of them won't. :D
:lol: Thanks for the obvious correction, I got a laugh out of yours Palantas.
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Some people just use violence....and they don't have to be threatened to do it.:|LJS9502_basicYeah, there's no evidence to know either way which was the case here. That's why the physical evidence is important as well as any eyewitness testimony. Yeah I agree, that's probably why Zimmerman is going to get free. But that was my initial point. If Trayvon were alive and he could give a testimony then things will get more clear and probably different. Right now, both parties have lots of reason to believe either way since the evidence that exists doesn't tell the whole story.
That white privilege is working once again
Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk
White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked
AmeriKKKa at its finest
Bucked20
Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?
The is actually pretty true. If a black man had shot a 17 year old white kid even if the White kid had thrown the first punch, he'd already be on death row.That white privilege is working once again
Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk
White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked
AmeriKKKa at its finest
Bucked20
No, that's just your own personal racism speaking. If a black man was being beaten and defended himself and the evidence supported that I would be making the same exact points.That white privilege is working once again
Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk
White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked
AmeriKKKa at its finest
Bucked20
What is clear, however, is you will ignore all the evidence so you can affirm your own racists beliefs.
[QUOTE="Bucked20"]
That white privilege is working once again
Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk
White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked
AmeriKKKa at its finest
flazzle
Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?
He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.[QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="Bucked20"]
That white privilege is working once again
Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk
White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked
AmeriKKKa at its finest
Nuck81
Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?
He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it. His grandfather is black, and he comes from a multiracial home.[QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="Bucked20"]
That white privilege is working once again
Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk
White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked
AmeriKKKa at its finest
Nuck81
Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?
He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?
No, that's just your own personal racism speaking. If a black man was being beaten and defended himself and the evidence supported that I would be making the same exact points.[QUOTE="Bucked20"]
That white privilege is working once again
Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk
White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked
AmeriKKKa at its finest
Renevent42
What is clear, however, is you will ignore all the evidence so you can affirm your own racists beliefs.
If you got your asss whoop in a fight you should be able to take the L instead of pulling a gun like a b*tch.I guess its ok though since you think Zimmerman was the victim in this situation.He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="flazzle"]
Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?
flazzle
So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?
Yes[QUOTE="Nuck81"]
He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.flazzle
So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?
I like this. :lol:
He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="flazzle"]
Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?
flazzle
So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?
Race is determine from where you're born, I share the same skin color as my mother, but I'm classified as white, my mother is classfied as Hispanic since she was born in PR.e.g
All hispanics born in Texas are considered white.
[QUOTE="Renevent42"]No, that's just your own personal racism speaking. If a black man was being beaten and defended himself and the evidence supported that I would be making the same exact points.[QUOTE="Bucked20"]
That white privilege is working once again
Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk
White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked
AmeriKKKa at its finest
Bucked20
What is clear, however, is you will ignore all the evidence so you can affirm your own racists beliefs.
If you got your asss whoop in a fight you should be able to take the L instead of pulling a gun like a b*tch.I guess its ok though since you think Zimmerman was the victim in this situation.Well that's progress I guess...so it's not that Zimmerman was wrong...he should have just let Martin continue to assault him and take the beating.
Amazing.
[QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.Nuck81
So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?
YesSo whenever anybody says Obama is our first black president, we need to correct them and say he is not black but white. Got it.
[QUOTE="flazzle"]
[QUOTE="Nuck81"] He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.Fightingfan
So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?
Race is determine from where you're born, I share the same skin color as my mother, but I'm classified as white, my mother is classfied as Hispanic since she was born in PR.e.g
All hispanics born in Texas are considered white.
Uh not quite.Yes[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="flazzle"]
So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?
flazzle
So whenever anybody says Obama is our first black president, we need to correct them and say he is not black but white. Got it.
No his last name is Obama so he should be listed as Muslim, or terrorist.[QUOTE="flazzle"]
[QUOTE="Nuck81"] He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.Fightingfan
So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?
Race is determine from where you're born, I share the same skin color as my mother, but I'm classified as white, my mother is classfied as Hispanic since she was born in PR.e.g
All hispanics born in Texas are considered white.
From WHERE you are born? So if you are born in South Africa by white parents, you are considered black?
So what are people born in the United States considered? If its based on WHERE you are born, what color is everyone born in the US?
#1 I almost guarantee you wouldn't strike first. #2 Nothing in the case suggest Zimmerman threatened Martin with a gun.I am not to keen on the story, I have kind of decided to sit this one out in most threads, but all I am going to say is if a guy was following me, and then got close and threatened me with a gun, it's not to crazy to think that I would strike first.
Ugalde-
[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Race is determine from where you're born, I share the same skin color as my mother, but I'm classified as white, my mother is classfied as Hispanic since she was born in PR.[QUOTE="flazzle"]
So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?
LJS9502_basic
e.g
All hispanics born in Texas are considered white.
Uh not quite. In regards to your birth certificate? Yes, yes it is. My father's Eva Mendez's color, and classified as white, and my mother is your typically white women skin color, but classified as Hispanic, explain that?. Both born in America, so what's the difference?Race is determine from where you're born, I share the same skin color as my mother, but I'm classified as white, my mother is classfied as Hispanic since she was born in PR.
e.g
All hispanics born in Texas are considered white.
Fightingfan
That's not true.
People call you white because you're white, not because of where you were born.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Race is determine from where you're born, I share the same skin color as my mother, but I'm classified as white, my mother is classfied as Hispanic since she was born in PR.Uh not quite. In regards to your birth certificate? Yes, yes it is. My father's Eva Mendez's color, and classified as white, and my mother is your typically white women skin color, but classified as Hispanic, explain that?. Both born in America, so what's the difference?Hispanic isn't actually a race. It's used as an ethnicity for the purpose of minority. But it's not a race...e.g
All hispanics born in Texas are considered white.
Fightingfan
In regards to your birth certificate? Yes, yes it is. My father's Eva Mendez's color, and classified as white, and my mother is your typically white women skin color, but classified as Hispanic, explain that?. Both born in America, so what's the difference?
Fightingfan
Good question. You'd have to look at family history to find that out.
[QUOTE="Ugalde-"]#1 I almost guarantee you wouldn't strike first. #2 Nothing in the case suggest Zimmerman threatened Martin with a gun. Yes because Martin is dead. Zimmerman is the only one telling us "what happened" and the witnesses didn't see anything until after the commotion started. Guess we'll never know exactly why Martin struck Zimmerman. Since he's dead and all.I am not to keen on the story, I have kind of decided to sit this one out in most threads, but all I am going to say is if a guy was following me, and then got close and threatened me with a gun, it's not to crazy to think that I would strike first.
Renevent42
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
So it doesn't really tell us anything that we didn't already know. It's just further confirmation of that point.
Necrifer
You knew Zimmerman got punched in the face?
He was there in the grassy knoll watching....and waiting....:o[QUOTE="Ugalde-"]#1 I almost guarantee you wouldn't strike first. #2 Nothing in the case suggest Zimmerman threatened Martin with a gun. #1 I am not saying I would strike first. I have never been in that situation, But i don't think its to crazy to think someone might attack a person with a gun if they felt threatened.I am not to keen on the story, I have kind of decided to sit this one out in most threads, but all I am going to say is if a guy was following me, and then got close and threatened me with a gun, it's not to crazy to think that I would strike first.
Renevent42
#2 Again not very knowledgeable on this one, but how did Zimmerman even get close enough to get attacked?
[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Ugalde-"]#1 I almost guarantee you wouldn't strike first. #2 Nothing in the case suggest Zimmerman threatened Martin with a gun. Yes because Martin is dead. Zimmerman is the only one telling us "what happened" and the witnesses didn't see anything until after the commotion started. Guess we'll never know exactly why Martin struck Zimmerman. Since he's dead and all.Physical evidence is actually more reliable than the accounts of the actors as at least one of them would have to make them self look better.I am not to keen on the story, I have kind of decided to sit this one out in most threads, but all I am going to say is if a guy was following me, and then got close and threatened me with a gun, it's not to crazy to think that I would strike first.
Nuck81
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