Zimmerman doctor confirms broken nose, autopsy of Martin shows knuckle abrasions

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]This doesn't really tell us much.airshocker

Abrasions on the knuckles tell us a great deal, actually.

Not really. It doesn't tell us who initiated the confrontation.
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That's what I'm saying. Nothing good will come out of this. Both sides are at least partially at fault and both sides will live dramatically different lives because of it. No one even wins!

Maniacc1

Well, yeah...someone died.

That's messed up.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I find it very strange that a person will jump on other just because specially if the other person is actively following said person and carrying a gun.

According to Zimmerman's testimony the gun was in his waist band...again...you are actually arguing Zimmerman's account. It is strange someone would jump on someone knowing they had a gun...and if Martin did jump on him he almost certainly didn't know Zimmerman was carrying.

Well that's Zimmerman's account but there's no way to corroborate it. And it's NOT strange at all that people jump on others knowing they have a gun. I see those cases all over the news constantly.

Yeah there is a way to corroborate the basis. You know even if Zimmerman had attacked first......legally has an obligation to remove them-self from danger when they have a chance. The fact that Martin had the best of the fight shows us that he had the opportunity to escape if so choose. Instead....he was pounding on the guy. And in front of a witness.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I find it very strange that a person will jump on other just because specially if the other person is actively following said person and carrying a gun.

According to Zimmerman's testimony the gun was in his waist band...again...you are actually arguing Zimmerman's account. It is strange someone would jump on someone knowing they had a gun...and if Martin did jump on him he almost certainly didn't know Zimmerman was carrying.

Well that's Zimmerman's account but there's no way to corroborate it. And it's NOT strange at all that people jump on others knowing they have a gun. I see those cases all over the news constantly.

Dude, you just said that... "I find it very strange that a person will jump on other just because specially if the other person is actively following said person and carrying a gun. " Anyways and yes, there is a way to corroborate it...at least partially. Like I said it's kinda odd that if Zimmerman was following him brandishing a gun Martin wouldn't mention it to his girlfriend who he was on the phone with. At the very least, there is absolutely ZERO evidence at this point to suggest Zimmerman was brandishing the gun. So if you going to argue that point, you have to base it on at least some evidence. Right now you are literally making up a scenario.
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#155 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"]

Regardless, it's not looking good.

If Zimmerman is cleared

There will be a riot and Al Sharpton and Spike Lee will command it.

Necrifer

They're calling for a race war.

That would be saddening.

If that happens...they should be tried next for inciting violence. Actually they should be tried now.

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#156 Palantas
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That's what I'm saying. Nothing good will come out of this. Both sides are at least partially at fault and both sides will live dramatically different lives because of it. No one even wins!

Maniacc1

One of them won't. :D

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#157 SaintWalrus
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[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"]

Regardless, it's not looking good.

If Zimmerman is cleared

There will be a riot and Al Sharpton and Spike Lee will command it.

Necrifer

They're calling for a race war.

That would be saddening.

Yep. They need to learn to choose their battles. Some people need to realize that they don't need to voice their opinion on every single subject. Spike Lee needs to focus on not insulting good Film Directors and Al Sharpton should focus on which suicide method is the fastest and least painful. W.E.B Dubois warned of dubious leaders who will lead the money straight into their pockets.

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#158 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Not really. It doesn't tell us who initiated the confrontation. -Sun_Tzu-

That's not what knuckle abrasions are supposed to tell us...

Knuckle abrasions corroborate the reports that Trayvon was hitting Zimmerman.

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[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] According to Zimmerman's testimony the gun was in his waist band...again...you are actually arguing Zimmerman's account. It is strange someone would jump on someone knowing they had a gun...and if Martin did jump on him he almost certainly didn't know Zimmerman was carrying.

Well that's Zimmerman's account but there's no way to corroborate it. And it's NOT strange at all that people jump on others knowing they have a gun. I see those cases all over the news constantly.

Dude, you just said that... "I find it very strange that a person will jump on other just because specially if the other person is actively following said person and carrying a gun. " Anyways and yes, there is a way to corroborate it...at least partially. Like I said it's kinda odd that if Zimmerman was following him brandishing a gun Martin wouldn't mention it to his girlfriend who he was on the phone with. At the very least, there is absolutely ZERO evidence at this point to suggest Zimmerman was brandishing the gun. So if you going to argue that point, you have to base it on at least some evidence. Right now you are literally making up a scenario.

Actually he should have called 911 and said a dude waving a gun was following him......
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#160 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]This doesn't really tell us much.-Sun_Tzu-

Abrasions on the knuckles tell us a great deal, actually.

Not really. It doesn't tell us who initiated the confrontation.

No alone, no. The fact Martin had no other wounds (just his knuckles and his gun shot wound) shows that at the very least, Zimmerman did not strike him. You could of course argue that Zimmerman swung and missed, but I think that's a hard sell if you are going on the premise that he just starting attacking Martin with no provocation.
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#161 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] According to Zimmerman's testimony the gun was in his waist band...again...you are actually arguing Zimmerman's account. It is strange someone would jump on someone knowing they had a gun...and if Martin did jump on him he almost certainly didn't know Zimmerman was carrying.

Well that's Zimmerman's account but there's no way to corroborate it. And it's NOT strange at all that people jump on others knowing they have a gun. I see those cases all over the news constantly.

Dude, you just said that... "I find it very strange that a person will jump on other just because specially if the other person is actively following said person and carrying a gun. " Anyways and yes, there is a way to corroborate it...at least partially. Like I said it's kinda odd that if Zimmerman was following him brandishing a gun Martin wouldn't mention it to his girlfriend who he was on the phone with. At the very least, there is absolutely ZERO evidence at this point to suggest Zimmerman was brandishing the gun. So if you going to argue that point, you have to base it on at least some evidence. Right now you are literally making up a scenario.

i wrote that badly. I meant that it's more difficult to understand why a person will jump on other if they didn't feel threatened than for a person to jump on other if they saw a gun. I've seen more cases of people jumping on other people threatening them with a gun than persons jumping on others who are not a threat.
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#162 Maniacc1
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Well, yeah...someone died.

That's messed up.Necrifer

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

That's what I'm saying. Nothing good will come out of this. Both sides are at least partially at fault and both sides will live dramatically different lives because of it. No one even wins!

Palantas

One of them won't. :D

:lol: Thanks for the obvious correction, I got a laugh out of yours Palantas.

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#163 Necrifer
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Racists deserve no place in this world.

Good thing he's dead.

Necrifer

I guess nobody cares when someone says something like this?

Heartless bastards...

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#164 Necrifer
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They need to stop showing Trayvon's baby pictures though.

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#165 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well that's Zimmerman's account but there's no way to corroborate it. And it's NOT strange at all that people jump on others knowing they have a gun. I see those cases all over the news constantly.

Dude, you just said that... "I find it very strange that a person will jump on other just because specially if the other person is actively following said person and carrying a gun. " Anyways and yes, there is a way to corroborate it...at least partially. Like I said it's kinda odd that if Zimmerman was following him brandishing a gun Martin wouldn't mention it to his girlfriend who he was on the phone with. At the very least, there is absolutely ZERO evidence at this point to suggest Zimmerman was brandishing the gun. So if you going to argue that point, you have to base it on at least some evidence. Right now you are literally making up a scenario.

i wrote that badly. I meant that it's more difficult to understand why a person will jump on other if they didn't feel threatened than for a person to jump on other if they saw a gun. I've seen more cases of people jumping on other people threatening them with a gun than persons jumping on others who are not a threat.

I think you wrote that one badly too, because honestly doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Regardless what I said stands...you are literally making up a scenario that is not supported by a single solitary piece of evidence...at least that we know of so far.
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#166 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well that's Zimmerman's account but there's no way to corroborate it. And it's NOT strange at all that people jump on others knowing they have a gun. I see those cases all over the news constantly.

Dude, you just said that... "I find it very strange that a person will jump on other just because specially if the other person is actively following said person and carrying a gun. " Anyways and yes, there is a way to corroborate it...at least partially. Like I said it's kinda odd that if Zimmerman was following him brandishing a gun Martin wouldn't mention it to his girlfriend who he was on the phone with. At the very least, there is absolutely ZERO evidence at this point to suggest Zimmerman was brandishing the gun. So if you going to argue that point, you have to base it on at least some evidence. Right now you are literally making up a scenario.

i wrote that badly. I meant that it's more difficult to understand why a person will jump on other if they didn't feel threatened than for a person to jump on other if they saw a gun. I've seen more cases of people jumping on other people threatening them with a gun than persons jumping on others who are not a threat.

Some people just use violence....and they don't have to be threatened to do it.:|
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] Dude, you just said that... "I find it very strange that a person will jump on other just because specially if the other person is actively following said person and carrying a gun. " Anyways and yes, there is a way to corroborate it...at least partially. Like I said it's kinda odd that if Zimmerman was following him brandishing a gun Martin wouldn't mention it to his girlfriend who he was on the phone with. At the very least, there is absolutely ZERO evidence at this point to suggest Zimmerman was brandishing the gun. So if you going to argue that point, you have to base it on at least some evidence. Right now you are literally making up a scenario.

i wrote that badly. I meant that it's more difficult to understand why a person will jump on other if they didn't feel threatened than for a person to jump on other if they saw a gun. I've seen more cases of people jumping on other people threatening them with a gun than persons jumping on others who are not a threat.

Some people just use violence....and they don't have to be threatened to do it.:|

Yeah, there's no evidence to know either way which was the case here.
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#168 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] i wrote that badly. I meant that it's more difficult to understand why a person will jump on other if they didn't feel threatened than for a person to jump on other if they saw a gun. I've seen more cases of people jumping on other people threatening them with a gun than persons jumping on others who are not a threat.

Some people just use violence....and they don't have to be threatened to do it.:|

Yeah, there's no evidence to know either way which was the case here.

That's why the physical evidence is important as well as any eyewitness testimony.
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#169 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Some people just use violence....and they don't have to be threatened to do it.:|LJS9502_basic
Yeah, there's no evidence to know either way which was the case here.

That's why the physical evidence is important as well as any eyewitness testimony.

Yeah I agree, that's probably why Zimmerman is going to get free. But that was my initial point. If Trayvon were alive and he could give a testimony then things will get more clear and probably different. Right now, both parties have lots of reason to believe either way since the evidence that exists doesn't tell the whole story.
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#170 Bucked20
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That white privilege is working once again

Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk

White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked

AmeriKKKa at its finest

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#171 flazzle
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That white privilege is working once again

Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk

White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked

AmeriKKKa at its finest

Bucked20

Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?

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#172 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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That white privilege is working once again

Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk

White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked

AmeriKKKa at its finest

Bucked20
The is actually pretty true. If a black man had shot a 17 year old white kid even if the White kid had thrown the first punch, he'd already be on death row.
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#173 Renevent42
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That white privilege is working once again

Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk

White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked

AmeriKKKa at its finest

Bucked20

No, that's just your own personal racism speaking. If a black man was being beaten and defended himself and the evidence supported that I would be making the same exact points.

What is clear, however, is you will ignore all the evidence so you can affirm your own racists beliefs.

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[QUOTE="Bucked20"]

That white privilege is working once again

Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk

White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked

AmeriKKKa at its finest

flazzle

Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?

He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.
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#175 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Yeah, there's no evidence to know either way which was the case here.

That's why the physical evidence is important as well as any eyewitness testimony.

Yeah I agree, that's probably why Zimmerman is going to get free. But that was my initial point. If Trayvon were alive and he could give a testimony then things will get more clear and probably different. Right now, both parties have lots of reason to believe either way since the evidence that exists doesn't tell the whole story.

Different? The evidence would still be what is used. And that is what we should consider.
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#176 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]

That white privilege is working once again

Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk

White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked

AmeriKKKa at its finest

Nuck81

Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?

He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.

His grandfather is black, and he comes from a multiracial home.

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#177 flazzle
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]

That white privilege is working once again

Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk

White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked

AmeriKKKa at its finest

Nuck81

Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?

He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.

So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?

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[QUOTE="Bucked20"]

That white privilege is working once again

Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk

White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked

AmeriKKKa at its finest

Renevent42

No, that's just your own personal racism speaking. If a black man was being beaten and defended himself and the evidence supported that I would be making the same exact points.

What is clear, however, is you will ignore all the evidence so you can affirm your own racists beliefs.

If you got your asss whoop in a fight you should be able to take the L instead of pulling a gun like a b*tch.I guess its ok though since you think Zimmerman was the victim in this situation.
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[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?

flazzle

He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.

So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?

Yes
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[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.flazzle

So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?

I like this. :lol:

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[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?

flazzle

He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.

So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?

Race is determine from where you're born, I share the same skin color as my mother, but I'm classified as white, my mother is classfied as Hispanic since she was born in PR.

e.g

All hispanics born in Texas are considered white.

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#182 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]

That white privilege is working once again

Black man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone would say how he's such a punk

White man shoots someone after getting beat,everyone says it was self defense and he was attacked

AmeriKKKa at its finest

Bucked20

No, that's just your own personal racism speaking. If a black man was being beaten and defended himself and the evidence supported that I would be making the same exact points.

What is clear, however, is you will ignore all the evidence so you can affirm your own racists beliefs.

If you got your asss whoop in a fight you should be able to take the L instead of pulling a gun like a b*tch.I guess its ok though since you think Zimmerman was the victim in this situation.

Well that's progress I guess...so it's not that Zimmerman was wrong...he should have just let Martin continue to assault him and take the beating.

Amazing.

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#183 flazzle
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.Nuck81

So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?

Yes

So whenever anybody says Obama is our first black president, we need to correct them and say he is not black but white. Got it.

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[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.Fightingfan

So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?

Race is determine from where you're born, I share the same skin color as my mother, but I'm classified as white, my mother is classfied as Hispanic since she was born in PR.

e.g

All hispanics born in Texas are considered white.

Uh not quite.
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[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?

flazzle

Yes

So whenever anybody says Obama is our first black president, we need to correct them and say he is not black but white. Got it.

No his last name is Obama so he should be listed as Muslim, or terrorist.
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I am not to keen on the story, I have kind of decided to sit this one out in most threads, but all I am going to say is if a guy was following me, and then got close and threatened me with a gun, it's not to crazy to think that I would strike first.

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#187 flazzle
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] He may have some latino heritage, but with a name like Zimmerman? Think about it.Fightingfan

So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?

Race is determine from where you're born, I share the same skin color as my mother, but I'm classified as white, my mother is classfied as Hispanic since she was born in PR.

e.g

All hispanics born in Texas are considered white.

From WHERE you are born? So if you are born in South Africa by white parents, you are considered black?

So what are people born in the United States considered? If its based on WHERE you are born, what color is everyone born in the US?

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I am not to keen on the story, I have kind of decided to sit this one out in most threads, but all I am going to say is if a guy was following me, and then got close and threatened me with a gun, it's not to crazy to think that I would strike first.

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#1 I almost guarantee you wouldn't strike first. #2 Nothing in the case suggest Zimmerman threatened Martin with a gun.
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#189 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

So your name dictates if you are hispanic or not? If you are half black, are you considered white? If you are half hispanic, you considered white as well?

LJS9502_basic

Race is determine from where you're born, I share the same skin color as my mother, but I'm classified as white, my mother is classfied as Hispanic since she was born in PR.

e.g

All hispanics born in Texas are considered white.

Uh not quite.

In regards to your birth certificate? Yes, yes it is. My father's Eva Mendez's color, and classified as white, and my mother is your typically white women skin color, but classified as Hispanic, explain that?. Both born in America, so what's the difference?
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#190 Necrifer
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Race is determine from where you're born, I share the same skin color as my mother, but I'm classified as white, my mother is classfied as Hispanic since she was born in PR.

e.g

All hispanics born in Texas are considered white.

Fightingfan

That's not true.

People call you white because you're white, not because of where you were born.

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#191 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Race is determine from where you're born, I share the same skin color as my mother, but I'm classified as white, my mother is classfied as Hispanic since she was born in PR.

e.g

All hispanics born in Texas are considered white.

Fightingfan
Uh not quite.

In regards to your birth certificate? Yes, yes it is. My father's Eva Mendez's color, and classified as white, and my mother is your typically white women skin color, but classified as Hispanic, explain that?. Both born in America, so what's the difference?

Hispanic isn't actually a race. It's used as an ethnicity for the purpose of minority. But it's not a race...
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#192 Necrifer
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In regards to your birth certificate? Yes, yes it is. My father's Eva Mendez's color, and classified as white, and my mother is your typically white women skin color, but classified as Hispanic, explain that?. Both born in America, so what's the difference?

Fightingfan

Good question. You'd have to look at family history to find that out.

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Knuckle abrasions corroborate the reports that Trayvon was hitting Zimmerman.

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So it doesn't really tell us anything that we didn't already know. It's just further confirmation of that point.
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#194 Necrifer
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So it doesn't really tell us anything that we didn't already know. It's just further confirmation of that point.

-Sun_Tzu-

You knew Zimmerman got punched in the face?

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[QUOTE="Ugalde-"]

I am not to keen on the story, I have kind of decided to sit this one out in most threads, but all I am going to say is if a guy was following me, and then got close and threatened me with a gun, it's not to crazy to think that I would strike first.

Renevent42
#1 I almost guarantee you wouldn't strike first. #2 Nothing in the case suggest Zimmerman threatened Martin with a gun.

Yes because Martin is dead. Zimmerman is the only one telling us "what happened" and the witnesses didn't see anything until after the commotion started. Guess we'll never know exactly why Martin struck Zimmerman. Since he's dead and all.
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#196 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

So it doesn't really tell us anything that we didn't already know. It's just further confirmation of that point.

Necrifer

You knew Zimmerman got punched in the face?

He was there in the grassy knoll watching....and waiting....:o
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[QUOTE="Ugalde-"]

I am not to keen on the story, I have kind of decided to sit this one out in most threads, but all I am going to say is if a guy was following me, and then got close and threatened me with a gun, it's not to crazy to think that I would strike first.

Renevent42

#1 I almost guarantee you wouldn't strike first. #2 Nothing in the case suggest Zimmerman threatened Martin with a gun.

#1 I am not saying I would strike first. I have never been in that situation, But i don't think its to crazy to think someone might attack a person with a gun if they felt threatened.

#2 Again not very knowledgeable on this one, but how did Zimmerman even get close enough to get attacked?

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#198 Fightingfan
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@LJ Then I'm confused as to why in America/Florida they feel the need to separate W, H, Y, B, on identification cards. I'm still dumbfounded as to how me and my mother are not of the same race, and share the same skin color, when we look at birth certificates.
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#199 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Ugalde-"]

I am not to keen on the story, I have kind of decided to sit this one out in most threads, but all I am going to say is if a guy was following me, and then got close and threatened me with a gun, it's not to crazy to think that I would strike first.

Nuck81
#1 I almost guarantee you wouldn't strike first. #2 Nothing in the case suggest Zimmerman threatened Martin with a gun.

Yes because Martin is dead. Zimmerman is the only one telling us "what happened" and the witnesses didn't see anything until after the commotion started. Guess we'll never know exactly why Martin struck Zimmerman. Since he's dead and all.

Physical evidence is actually more reliable than the accounts of the actors as at least one of them would have to make them self look better.
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#200 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]@LJ Then I'm confused as to why in America/Florida they feel the need to separate W, H, Y, B, on identification cards. I'm still dumbfounded as to how me and my mother are not of the same race, and share the same skin color, when we look at birth certificates.

Hispanic is considered a minority in the US...so it's a benefit. And if your mom is considered Hispanic...I'd think you could claim that as well. Seems odd....