Am i the only person that thinks half-life 2 was extremely OVERRATED?

[QUOTE="dakan45"] 3) Challenging? It feels kinda contraversary how vavle uses the combat,puzzle,driving,combat,puzzle sequence in order to avoid "combat fatigue" as they call it, but add those crazy respawning sequences when the game mostly want you to play easilly and smoothly and then they do the exact oposite and throw respawning enemies at you that produce excesive "combat fatigue" I dont really get the point, just make combat harder or add more enemies along the way. kazakauskas

Honestly its better in cod4, in hl2 they either fly in from their base to my position in no time, or come from a force field that i cant pass through, another thing is that they coming from all around you while in cod4 they just come out from the buildings right in front of you, so it makes sense because you havent advanced to their territory yet, but seriously you are exaggerating there not that many, neither they spawn forever, i cant seem to remember the small banker you talk about, only thing that comes close to the large and infinite spawning is something in the russian compaign of the first cod game or the expansion pack, or cod waw which seriously sucked in the large numbers of enemy spawnings.

Like people said there other ways too disable turret besides gravity guns ...and their effectiveness lie in the fact normal methods don't work ...oops i forgot you want only to run and gun, so I am guessing it sucks for you :lol:

naval

[QUOTE="naval"] Like people said there other ways too disable turret besides gravity guns ...and their effectiveness lie in the fact normal methods don't work ...oops i forgot you want only to run and gun, so I am guessing it sucks for you :lol:

dakan45

hover mine ? you mean the roller mines ? you can always outrun them ...lol did you really stopped and thew all of them into water or something

[QUOTE="kazakauskas"][QUOTE="dakan45"] 3) Challenging? It feels kinda contraversary how vavle uses the combat,puzzle,driving,combat,puzzle sequence in order to avoid "combat fatigue" as they call it, but add those crazy respawning sequences when the game mostly want you to play easilly and smoothly and then they do the exact oposite and throw respawning enemies at you that produce excesive "combat fatigue" I dont really get the point, just make combat harder or add more enemies along the way. dakan45

Honestly its better in cod4, in hl2 they either fly in from their base to my position in no time, or come from a force field that i cant pass through, another thing is that they coming from all around you while in cod4 they just come out from the buildings right in front of you, so it makes sense because you havent advanced to their territory yet, but seriously you are exaggerating there not that many, neither they spawn forever, i cant seem to remember the small banker you talk about, only thing that comes close to the large and infinite spawning is something in the russian compaign of the first cod game or the expansion pack, or cod waw which seriously sucked in the large numbers of enemy spawnings.

You are talking about nova prospect. Why the heck combine should let you pass without trying to kill you ? this is place where they "make" combine solders from ppl , so its normal that there is more than 100 or 200 solders. and about force fields. they trap you to kill you , and you stay there untill alex comes and disables them . so its pretty logical there too

Am i the only person that thinks half-life 2 was extremely OVERRATED?

supadave841

Yes, you are definitely the only person who thinks that. You and the ones who incidentally agree with you here.

I would answer in details, but after I read the "no story" part... c'mon, gimme a break!

HALF-LIFE 2 ROCKS!! BIG TIME!! IN EVERY ASPECT -- gravity gun included!

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

[QUOTE="naval"] Like people said there other ways too disable turret besides gravity guns ...and their effectiveness lie in the fact normal methods don't work ...oops i forgot you want only to run and gun, so I am guessing it sucks for you :lol:

naval

hover mine ? you mean the roller mines ? you can always outrun them ...lol did you really stopped and thew all of them into water or something

and shotgun does not knock down turrets.dakan45

I can tell you now, it definitely does.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

[QUOTE="kazakauskas"] In hl2 at least they show how those solders get to you , they fly with those "air ships" , where in cod they JUST spawn... small bunker and enemy will run from there until you step in... yea that so smart and logic based.kazakauskas

Honestly its better in cod4, in hl2 they either fly in from their base to my position in no time, or come from a force field that i cant pass through, another thing is that they coming from all around you while in cod4 they just come out from the buildings right in front of you, so it makes sense because you havent advanced to their territory yet, but seriously you are exaggerating there not that many, neither they spawn forever, i cant seem to remember the small banker you talk about, only thing that comes close to the large and infinite spawning is something in the russian compaign of the first cod game or the expansion pack, or cod waw which seriously sucked in the large numbers of enemy spawnings.

You are talking about nova prospect. Why the heck combine should let you pass without trying to kill you ? this is place where they "make" combine solders from ppl , so its normal that there is more than 100 or 200 solders. and about force fields. they trap you to kill you , and you stay there untill alex comes and disables them . so its pretty logical there too

[QUOTE="dakan45"]and shotgun does not knock down turrets.broken_bass_bin

I can tell you now, it definitely does.

[QUOTE="naval"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] Apart from grenades, what other ways are there to disable turrets and how else can i disable the hovermines?

dakan45

hover mine ? you mean the roller mines ? you can always outrun them ...lol did you really stopped and thew all of them into water or something

Regarding turrets and shotgun :... I do remember it .. maybe you need the two shells fire mode + closer distance or something. I don't have the game installed so I cannot check it unfortunately

[QUOTE="broken_bass_bin"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"]and shotgun does not knock down turrets.dakan45

I can tell you now, it definitely does.

Here you go:

The original Half Life's gunplay is pretty good (especially for the time), but I don't see it being significantly better. KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]The original Half Life's gunplay is pretty good (especially for the time), but I don't see it being significantly better. Hewkii

Well that's AI, not gunplay.

And even I'll admit that Half-Life 2's AI is quite disappointing. It's pretty much the only thing about the game I don't like.

[QUOTE="supadave841"]

I think this game is very overrated. I just dont see what is so mind blowing about it. It has no story, the weapons suck (I HATE the gravity gun i think its boring) the graphics are its only strong point (it was good when it was released). Its always regarded as the best shooter of all time and i have a hard time seeing why. The gameplay is mediocre,The AI is as dumb as bricks, there is barely any music/sound in that game and the NPC characters that fight alongside you are worse than the enemy AI. I had a much better time with bioshock. that game had a story. Exactly what this game lacks.

EscapedLive

Did you even played it when it came out in 2004? THAT WAS 5 YEARS AGO. AND NO! It was NOT overrated back in those days..

ALSO you comparing this to BIOSHOCK which is 3 years ahead hl2 makes you an complete idiot..

i did play it when it came out. i've said that i played it when it launched. your point is garbage because i can think of games that came out BEFORE hl2 and are still better.

;)

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="broken_bass_bin"]

I can tell you now, it definitely does.

broken_bass_bin

Here you go:

Epic win

Turns out it works with every weapon apart from the pistol, smg, pulse rilfe because they dont have enough punch, but its possible that if you are close enough and aim for the edges....

See? I admit it, i was wrong, hl2 has a very important use of physics, the problem is i havent realized that Gordon Freeman was a physict and you got to play as one.

[QUOTE="EscapedLive"]

[QUOTE="supadave841"]

I think this game is very overrated. I just dont see what is so mind blowing about it. It has no story, the weapons suck (I HATE the gravity gun i think its boring) the graphics are its only strong point (it was good when it was released). Its always regarded as the best shooter of all time and i have a hard time seeing why. The gameplay is mediocre,The AI is as dumb as bricks, there is barely any music/sound in that game and the NPC characters that fight alongside you are worse than the enemy AI. I had a much better time with bioshock. that game had a story. Exactly what this game lacks.

supadave841

Did you even played it when it came out in 2004? THAT WAS 5 YEARS AGO. AND NO! It was NOT overrated back in those days..

ALSO you comparing this to BIOSHOCK which is 3 years ahead hl2 makes you an complete idiot..

i did play it when it came out. i've said that i played it when it launched. your point is garbage because i can think of games that came out BEFORE hl2 and are still better.

[QUOTE="supadave841"]

[QUOTE="EscapedLive"]

Did you even played it when it came out in 2004? THAT WAS 5 YEARS AGO. AND NO! It was NOT overrated back in those days..

ALSO you comparing this to BIOSHOCK which is 3 years ahead hl2 makes you an complete idiot..

dakan45

i did play it when it came out. i've said that i played it when it launched. your point is garbage because i can think of games that came out BEFORE hl2 and are still better.

What?....Dakan...is...backing...down?

Supadave, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Check out my review of the game. Unfortunately, any disagreement with the status quo will get you lots of forum raging, etc. Hence my objective review is only recommended by 2 out of 15 :(. I guess this is the new representation of pushing on the playground.

Yes the game was overrated. Stop, right there. I didn't say it was a bad game. I said it was overrated. Let's Check out the lists shall we:

Yes:

Yes, it was a solid shooter game.

Yes, it was absolutely groundbreaking for its time.

Yes the graphics were awesome for the time.

Yes the physics, phys gun, physics puzzle, etc. were freaking cool.

Yes it provided a good amount of gameplay.

No:

No, it did not have a good selection of weapons, at all. Most weapons were extremely ineffective, innaccurate, and uninteresting. I used the pistol and shotgun for the bulk of the game. Heated steel rod crossbow, WTF?!?

No, it did not provide a good variety of gameplay. I'm sorry, does no one else remember the four hours of sewer surfing in the hovercraft.

No, it did not have a clear, coherent storyline that meshed with the original game. There's no way that anyway knew what was going on when the game opened up. No way.

No, it was not a perfect game, nor 100% or 10/10, nor any other variation on that.

Do "perfect" games have flaws? Yes, they do. But I wouldn't call this a perfect game. Of all the shooters I've ever played, this was one that I have little or no interest in replaying, and I believe the massive majority of those who played through this would probably agree. I replayed the original Half life and its expansion packs literally DOZENS of times. This game I went through once, and was glad when it was over. After they came out, I played through Episodes 1 and 2 once.

To be honest, this game is a solid 7.0-8.0, not a 9.5 or a 10.0.

I don't think it's overrated.

Supadave, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Check out my review of the game. Unfortunately, any disagreement with the status quo will get you lots of forum raging, etc. Hence my objective review is only recommended by 2 out of 15 :(. I guess this is the new representation of pushing on the playground.

Yes the game was overrated. Stop, right there. I didn't say it was a bad game. I said it was overrated. Let's Check out the lists shall we:

Yes:

Yes, it was a solid shooter game.

Yes, it was absolutely groundbreaking for its time.

Yes the graphics were awesome for the time.

Yes the physics, phys gun, physics puzzle, etc. were freaking cool.

Yes it provided a good amount of gameplay.

No:

No, it did not have a good selection of weapons, at all. Most weapons were extremely ineffective, innaccurate, and uninteresting. I used the pistol and shotgun for the bulk of the game. Heated steel rod crossbow, WTF?!?

No, it did not provide a good variety of gameplay. I'm sorry, does no one else remember the four hours of sewer surfing in the hovercraft.

No, it did not have a clear, coherent storyline that meshed with the original game. There's no way that anyway knew what was going on when the game opened up. No way.

No, it was not a perfect game, nor 100% or 10/10, nor any other variation on that.

Do "perfect" games have flaws? Yes, they do. But I wouldn't call this a perfect game. Of all the shooters I've ever played, this was one that I have little or no interest in replaying, and I believe the massive majority of those who played through this would probably agree. I replayed the original Half life and its expansion packs literally DOZENS of times. This game I went through once, and was glad when it was over. After they came out, I played through Episodes 1 and 2 once.

To be honest, this game is a solid 7.0-8.0, not a 9.5 or a 10.0.

snared04

Weapons: There were definetly some problems with weapons. The starting pistol is possibly is one of the weakest weapons I've ever seen. But personally I thought weak weapons added to underdog feeling in the game. The idea of one man rising up against an empire. It just wouldn't be HL2 with the BFG. Also the crossbow is supposed to be a DIY rebel weapon. Heated rebar as ammo is a sweet idea.

Variety: Does anyone remember the whole game of FEAR in an office building. Or Dead Space and Doom 3 in dingy spaceships. Or even Crysis in slight variations of the jungle. HL2 has more environment variety than most FPSs today.

Story: I think the story could have been fleshed out more for sure but one of the reasons they did that was to immerse you even more in the role of Freeman. Your aren't supposed to know what happens when you get off the train. It's supposed to be overwhelming and up to you to piece together what happens. I will admit it was frustrating at times but I thought it paid off in terms of the immersion.

Not trashing your opinion just responding to your criticisms.

I think this game is very overrated. I just dont see what is so mind blowing about it. It has no story, the weapons suck (I HATE the gravity gun i think its boring) the graphics are its only strong point (it was good when it was released). Its always regarded as the best shooter of all time and i have a hard time seeing why. The gameplay is mediocre,The AI is as dumb as bricks, there is barely any music/sound in that game and the NPC characters that fight alongside you are worse than the enemy AI. I had a much better time with bioshock. that game had a story. Exactly what this game lacks.

supadave841

No, it did not provide a good variety of gameplay. I'm sorry, does no one else remember the four hours of sewer surfing in the hovercraft.

snared04

:lol: Four hours is a HUGE overestimate. That one chapter lasts about an hour, and covers about 10% of the game tops.

Well each to his own I guess, it's the best game I've ever played in terms of enjoyment. I did have to wiki all the HL lore though, I don't think it explains what the hell's happening much throughout all the games except the overall goal is.

[QUOTE="snared04"]

No, it did not provide a good variety of gameplay. I'm sorry, does no one else remember the four hours of sewer surfing in the hovercraft.

broken_bass_bin

:lol: Four hours is a HUGE overestimate. That one chapter lasts about an hour, and covers about 10% of the game tops.

My ass dude. This was a complaint registered by a HUGE majority of this game's players. This was a definite copout on the dev's part.

And seriously, read my post kids. I didn't say THIS GAME WAS TEH SUCKZORZ. I said the game was overrated. I can easily identify multiple FPS games that provided better gameplay, etc than this game.

Didn't say HL2 was bad. Read.

Ermm maybe cause you are playing a game that was released a few years ago....Obviously for it's time it was great.zaibutzu

[QUOTE="supadave841"]

I think this game is very overrated. I just dont see what is so mind blowing about it. It has no story, the weapons suck (I HATE the gravity gun i think its boring) the graphics are its only strong point (it was good when it was released). Its always regarded as the best shooter of all time and i have a hard time seeing why. The gameplay is mediocre,The AI is as dumb as bricks, there is barely any music/sound in that game and the NPC characters that fight alongside you are worse than the enemy AI. I had a much better time with bioshock. that game had a story. Exactly what this game lacks.

_Emperor

I'm sorry, but we're talking opinions here e-thug elite. His post said "I think this game is very overrated." And if you play a game that gets a ridiculously high rating, and it feels like crap to you, then it is overrated for you. I can say the same thing of C&C: Red Alert 3, Age of Conan, etc. Just because they blow the ratings out of the water on Gamespot doesn't mean they're all they're cracked up to be.

*The story is great, you have either been skipping the cutscene's and just shooted your way trough the game -WTF? What cutscenes? You mean the parts where the game locks you into place and forces you to listen to dialogue, the context of which is completely lost to you? And the game is pretty much you "shooted" through things. It is an FPS bud, that's what everyone expected. But you're pretty much "shooted" your way through the same damn scenario over and over again.

*The weapons are fine, or do you want BFG's with mega blasters that blows a whole world in 1 shot? - Yes, they're fine. They're not great. :) I'm glad we can agree on this point. The fact is the Half Life 1 weapons felt a hell of a lot better than these. They felt innaccurate, underpowered, stupid, etc. The weapons were one of the game's worst features. Want good weapons? Try CoD 2, Crysis, Deus Ex, etc. At least half of those were made pre-HL2, so you can forget bashing me on that pont.

*The music/sound part is because of the main theme of the game, not much of anything, its their trademark if i say so...or do you go around with a big stereo on your shoulder when you are shooting stuff :P? - Your point is completely asinine. A game's theme has nothing to do with whether or not it should have a good score. I personally had no problem with the game's sound/music in general, but it was pretty non-existent. Don't see any call for the "Half Life 2 Soundtrack" now do you?

[QUOTE="zaibutzu"]Ermm maybe cause you are playing a game that was released a few years ago....Obviously for it's time it was great.Hewkii

I agree with both points. Yes, games should be judged on their release date context. I've always said that dogging on Half Life 1, Deus Ex, etc because Crysis has better graphics is stupid.

I think good games automatically withstand the test of time.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="broken_bass_bin"]

I can tell you now, it definitely does.

broken_bass_bin

Here you go:

I enjoyed Half Life 2 a lot, but from the same year, I enjoyed Far Cry 1, Doom 3 and Painkiller a lot more. And Painkiller even intruduced the havok physics earlier ;)

By biggest problem with half life 2, is the 2 long vehicle sequences. They really dragged, and even when I played it the first time, I was sitting and hoping for them to be over soon.

Episode 1 then took another step down for me, because while the gravity gun is fun, I dont wanna use it all the time, and episode 1 pretty much forced you to use it most of that episode.

Episode 2 was an improvement. But thats also a negative, especially when valve cant get the episodes out faster, and yet they have made 2 left 4 dead games before episode 3!

[QUOTE="stoutlad"]Either you are a very poor troll or a very poor judge of quality. HL2 deserves every accolade it got.supadave841

im not a troll i didnt say that this game was horrible, i liked some aspects of it. i just think its overrated. the only reason i kept playing it was to discover why everyone else thought it was so great. i dont think it was as amazing as everyone made it out to be. It got boring very quick. I enjoyed the halo series much more.

[QUOTE="supadave841"]

[QUOTE="stoutlad"]Either you are a very poor troll or a very poor judge of quality. HL2 deserves every accolade it got.Frenzyd109

im not a troll i didnt say that this game was horrible, i liked some aspects of it. i just think its overrated. the only reason i kept playing it was to discover why everyone else thought it was so great. i dont think it was as amazing as everyone made it out to be. It got boring very quick. I enjoyed the halo series much more.

[QUOTE="broken_bass_bin"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] Proof? because it does not when i try...chandu83

Here you go.

[QUOTE="broken_bass_bin"]

[QUOTE="snared04"]

No, it did not provide a good variety of gameplay. I'm sorry, does no one else remember the four hours of sewer surfing in the hovercraft.

snared04

:lol: Four hours is a HUGE overestimate. That one chapter lasts about an hour, and covers about 10% of the game tops.

My ass dude. This was a complaint registered by a HUGE majority of this game's players. This was a definite copout on the dev's part.

And seriously, read my post kids. I didn't say THIS GAME WAS TEH SUCKZORZ. I said the game was overrated. I can easily identify multiple FPS games that provided better gameplay, etc than this game.

Didn't say HL2 was bad. Read.

No its an excellent game that deserved all the praise it got.johnny27

[QUOTE="johnny27"]No its an excellent game that deserved all the praise it got.ZephyrTheRed

Pick one, read.

[QUOTE="johnny27"]No its an excellent game that deserved all the praise it got.ZephyrTheRed

dankan, you pretty much want every FPS game to play the same no?

Just shoot mindlessly? No story, because you won't care about the characters. Don't put any puzzles, because Dankan doesn't have a brain.

I loved Half-life 2 for being an FPS yet a Puzzle game at the same time.

ANyways, FEAR is still the best FPS ever!

dankan, you pretty much want every FPS game to play the same no?

Just shoot mindlessly? No story, because you won't care about the characters. Don't put any puzzles, because Dankan doesn't have a brain.

I loved Half-life 2 for being an FPS yet a Puzzle game at the same time.

foossilo

ANyways, FEAR is still the best FPS ever!

foossilo

From everyone here you should understand why i liked half life so much and not hl2, because you think the best fps ever is a totally gun and run fps...with slow mo.

So to answer your question, no... postal was revolutionary... but hl2 gameplay doesnt remind me my favorite half life :(

I did not stated anywhere that the game sucks, pointed some of the many stuff that annoyed me and dont really justify its rating for me ...and dont you dare to use the "generic fps" argument because your favorite fps is fear, so dont post things you dont belive in just to piss me off because i gave hl2 an 8/10 and fear 8.5/10

So there no point on try to arguing further on nothing.

[QUOTE="foossilo"]

dankan, you pretty much want every FPS game to play the same no?

Just shoot mindlessly? No story, because you won't care about the characters. Don't put any puzzles, because Dankan doesn't have a brain.

I loved Half-life 2 for being an FPS yet a Puzzle game at the same time.

dakan45

ANyways, FEAR is still the best FPS ever!

foossilo

From everyone here you should understand why i liked half life so much and not hl2, because you think the best fps ever is a totally gun and run fps...with slow mo.

So to answer your question, no... postal was revolutionary... but hl2 gameplay doesnt remind me my favorite half life :(

I did not stated anywhere that the game sucks, pointed some of the many stuff that annoyed me and dont really justify its rating for me ...and dont you dare to use the "generic fps" argument because your favorite fps is fear, so dont post things you dont belive in just to piss me off because i gave hl2 an 8/10 and fear 8.5/10

So there no point on try to arguing further on nothing.

Half Life 2 was very linear aswell. Most FPS games are. Far Cry and some others stand out.

And fear no physics?

And whats repetitive is subjective.

[QUOTE="foossilo"]

dankan, you pretty much want every FPS game to play the same no?

Just shoot mindlessly? No story, because you won't care about the characters. Don't put any puzzles, because Dankan doesn't have a brain.

I loved Half-life 2 for being an FPS yet a Puzzle game at the same time.

dakan45

ANyways, FEAR is still the best FPS ever!

foossilo

From everyone here you should understand why i liked half life so much and not hl2, because you think the best fps ever is a totally gun and run fps...with slow mo.

So to answer your question, no... postal was revolutionary... but hl2 gameplay doesnt remind me my favorite half life :(

I did not stated anywhere that the game sucks, pointed some of the many stuff that annoyed me and dont really justify its rating for me ...and dont you dare to use the "generic fps" argument because your favorite fps is fear, so dont post things you dont belive in just to piss me off because i gave hl2 an 8/10 and fear 8.5/10

So there no point on try to arguing further on nothing.

Wait you wish Half-Life 2 was like Half-Life 1? Man, gamers are can never make up their mind. Sometimes they complain that a sequel is just like the first game, or sometimes they complain that it is too different.

And FEAR is one of the few Horror FPS games

Oh ya FEAR still has the best AI in any FPS game IMO

Oh ya FEAR still has the best AI in any FPS game IMO

foossilo

Lolz... foosillo are you serious?

F.E.A.R. was one of the most linear, non-puzzle games, and it made almost no use of physics.

Way to make a point and then competely destroy it.

Secondly, while HL2 may well have had physics, and used them in puzzles, HL1 had WAY more puzzles that were often harder than that of HL2. That being said HL2 is, like the post above me said, VERY linear. There is NEVER a point at which you can take a different route to your destination.

I loved fear a lot, a lot more than HL2 in fact. But it didn't have puzzles. Would it did have, as you said, was awesome AI. Also it had some of the best gunplay in any FPS ever. The guns may have felt post-modern, but they shot like real ones, and the slow motion was very cool. Very Max Payne 2.

overrated imo. i got bored of it very quickly and easily. not many guns/weapons. sounds are weak. story didnt grab me. gravity gun sucks. riding vehicles looks messed up.