and what happens if GW2 fails...?

Of course this isn't a troll thread, because I will be buying GW2 on DAY 1.

It's just that I really want it to turn out good, and the past 2-3 years I have actually become afraid of HYPE.

I pre-ordered and purchased both AION and Warhammer Online, because of all the hype that came before it. We all know how those 2 turned out.

I recently got the CE of SWTOR, and even though I don't regret the purchase since I have put in 100hrs and my GF also plays and loves it, I see endless threads on these forums about it failing (which I don't agree) or not the game everyone was expecting (which I agree with in some parts).

BF3, labeled as the king of military shooters. A few months after lots of people say it's broken, lots of people have abandoned it and if I understand correctly more people are playing MW3. Remember when everyone said BF3 would destroy CoD? (Yes, I also bought BF3 fyi)

Diablo 3, of course I will be buying Day 1 (and even considering CE). BUT, all of a sudden D3 has some big changes and the Chief Designer leaves the company. I will love D3 but oh oh... so much hype.

Which brings me to GW2.

Everyone is calling this MMO the next coming of Christ. I LOVE the ideas the devs are trying to pull off, but will we see threads about people complaining?

Not EVERYONE will like it will they?

Is it REALLY the next coming?

To be honest, I REALLY WANT it to be the next coming.... but the more I hear the hype, the more doubt I have...

It won't have a subscription fee, so it won't fail.

It won't have a subscription fee, so it won't fail.

Johnny_Rock

NCSoft does not fail. But if you think it will have anywhere near the same numbers as WoW you're wrong. NCSoft games have always been for the hardcore players.

Ive been playing there games since Lineage I. They have NEVER let me down.

NCSoft does not fail. But if you think it will have anywhere near the same numbers as WoW you're wrong. NCSoft games have always been for the hardcore players.

Ive been playing there games since Lineage I. They have NEVER let me down.

Prexxus

NCSoft does not fail. But if you think it will have anywhere near the same numbers as WoW you're wrong. NCSoft games have always been for the hardcore players.

Ive been playing there games since Lineage I. They have NEVER let me down.

Prexxus

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NCSoft does not fail. But if you think it will have anywhere near the same numbers as WoW you're wrong. NCSoft games have always been for the hardcore players.

Ive been playing there games since Lineage I. They have NEVER let me down.

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Prexxus"]

NCSoft does not fail. But if you think it will have anywhere near the same numbers as WoW you're wrong. NCSoft games have always been for the hardcore players.

Ive been playing there games since Lineage I. They have NEVER let me down.

Prexxus

[QUOTE="Prexxus"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] NCSoft doesn't fail? Wasn't AION from them? And I don't agree GW1 is hardcore.lawlessx

I can see what the OP is doing by setting up a senario, but seriously GW2 will not fail I will even take bets on it succeeding. GW2 is a innovating MMO that is yours for a one off fee that means even the non-MMO PC games will be curious on picking it up, so it will sell. Also it has that the GW1 players that will pick up andcontinue with their micro transactions like they did in the first game. So if NCsoft just retain all its GW1 players it will be a success.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Prexxus"]

NCSoft does not fail. But if you think it will have anywhere near the same numbers as WoW you're wrong. NCSoft games have always been for the hardcore players.

Ive been playing there games since Lineage I. They have NEVER let me down.

Prexxus

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] NCSoft doesn't fail? Wasn't AION from them? And I don't agree GW1 is hardcore.FelipeInside

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] NCSoft doesn't fail? Wasn't AION from them? And I don't agree GW1 is hardcore.FelipeInside

I just had to do it:P

I can see what the OP is doing by setting up a senario, but seriously GW2 will not fail I will even take bets on it succeeding. GW2 is a innovating MMO that is yours for a one off fee that means even the non-MMO PC games will be curious on picking it up, so it will sell. Also it has that the GW1 players that will pick up andcontinue with their micro transactions like they did in the first game. So if NCsoft just retain all its GW1 players it will be a success.

Raxzor

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Prexxus"] Aion was not a failure at all. You must of not played it very much. GW1 was very hardcore if you were in any way good or competitive at it. You could go through the games story and play casual but that's not what GW was about.

lawlessx

I just had to do it:P

Fact is Aion like every other NcSoft game was for a more hardcore audience like I said. It had amazing end game content. The sieges were huge, they gave your hole factions bonuses and places to farm and gave your clan medals for pvp gear.

The world PvP was constant and almost everywhere. There was never a shortage of it and all the bosses were outdoors so you had to fight over them. That created a lot of really fun scenarios and drama.

Thats why Aion was such a huge success for a long time. It had the content ready when it released and it wasent for little care bear kiddies either. They still have 3 or 4 million paying custommers + the F2P guys in europe.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] NCSoft doesn't fail? Wasn't AION from them? And I don't agree GW1 is hardcore.FelipeInside

I hope not. I'm more interested in The Secret World, but I wanted to play GW2 as well. I kinda doubt it will because lots of people will try it since it doesn't have a fee.guynamedbilly

it will fail if they don't do anything game changing for MMO's. a good story will only hold on to the player so long.

WoW did everything right until Cataclysm. any company developing an MMO needs to take all the best things from WoW and then build their game. that's if they want it to be a success.

GW2 will fail only if you let a blind person play it and he ends up saying "how boring" (excuse me for the dark humor). This will however never happen, therefore GW2 will not fail ...

P.S. Epic conclusion, right ?

Judging from the success of GW1 and GW2 gameplay videos, interviews, dev diaries. NCsoft is actually taking risks with the MMO genre and will definitely catch many subscribers from other mmo's. SWTOR on the other hand, had a rough launch with constant bugs with numerous balancing issues. I'm not pleased at all about the IA nerf.

Judging from the success of GW1 and GW2 gameplay videos, interviews, dev diaries. NCsoft is actually taking risks with the MMO genre and will definitely catch many subscribers from other mmo's. SWTOR on the other hand, had a rough launch with constant bugs with numerous balancing issues. I'm not pleased at all about the IA nerf.

Heartagram_03

Do you REALLY think GW2 will launch with no bugs or balancing issues?

Do you think GW1 launched perfectly with no bugs or balancing issues?

its not easy to predict if something is gonna succeed of not, but the way i look it they are managing guild wars 2 in an incredibly smart way, and they at least are innovating and trying to create new ideas for the game, its clear from all the videos aand interviews, it looks to be an amazing game with fresh ideas that has a good chance of succeding, while the old republic just tried to reuse the wow formula, you may call it what you like but the old republic did not innovate at all, they failed the momment they took the easy way. Big differences

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Judging from the success of GW1 and GW2 gameplay videos, interviews, dev diaries. NCsoft is actually taking risks with the MMO genre and will definitely catch many subscribers from other mmo's. SWTOR on the other hand, had a rough launch with constant bugs with numerous balancing issues. I'm not pleased at all about the IA nerf.

FelipeInside

Do you REALLY think GW2 will launch with no bugs or balancing issues?

Do you think GW1 launched perfectly with no bugs or balancing issues?

the faction system is obsolete and leads to failure in most mmorpgs, which is another big plus fro gw2

its not easy to predict if something is gonna succeed of not, but the way i look it they are managing guild wars 2 in an incredibly smart way, and they at least are innovating and trying to create new ideas for the game, its clear from all the videos aand interviews, it looks to be an amazing game with fresh ideas that has a good chance of succeding, while the old republic just tried to reuse the wow formula, you may call it what you like but the old republic did not innovate at all, they failed the momment they took the easy way. Big differences

Krelian-co

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its not easy to predict if something is gonna succeed of not, but the way i look it they are managing guild wars 2 in an incredibly smart way, and they at least are innovating and trying to create new ideas for the game, its clear from all the videos aand interviews, it looks to be an amazing game with fresh ideas that has a good chance of succeding, while the old republic just tried to reuse the wow formula, you may call it what you like but the old republic did not innovate at all, they failed the momment they took the easy way. Big differences

FelipeInside

the fact that they change some thing here and there doesn't mean they didn't basically carbon copy the wow system. if people want to play wow they go to wow, which is the better game, they wanted to succed using a system people have played for like 7 years now and are tired of it, big fail

It won't have a subscription fee, so it won't fail.

Johnny_Rock

The hype around GW2 is they have come out and explained exactly how they are trying to revoluntionize the genre. Why is this hype? Because people are tired of the same old WoW formula every MMO has adopted since that abomination was spawned. That is my opinion WoWboys, I hate what it did to the genre.

THe modern MMO is in dire need of a revamp, so far while not reinventing it GW2 at least stands to make some much needed changes in such things as the quest system.

Another thing people are excited about is this is the first MMO since Daoc to include a 3 realm battle system. I cannot understand for the life of me why it took so long for an MMO to adopt this successful concept, GW2 finally has.

As for TOR, it is failing compared to the hype it received. For far too many it was a free month of play then toss it away MMO. History has shown when an MMO loses a large number of subs before the free month is up it is tough for it to make a comeback. The problem is it is too much a SP game, and people play a few run throughs of those (if that for some) then toss them. The Star Wars title is not a freebie, last time I checked there was another Star Wars MMO that is quite extinct.

Not saying TOR will fall as far as Galaxies did, I think it will keep a sustainable base if they do things right from here on out.

But cant we say that about most MMOs? And didn't WoW just copy EQ and optimized things?FelipeInside

WoW revolutionized the genre (in a bad way imo) with its accessibility. X marks the spot/directional arrow questing, no death penalties, quest indicators over npcs heads, etc. The only MMO that can claim it copied nothing is UO. In the end this whole MMO copy debate is stupid, it is like saying I cannot build a restaurant and serve pancakes without someone saying I copied IHOP.

But cant we say that about most MMOs? And didn't WoW just copy EQ and optimized things?FelipeInside

and thats why most mmorpg fail, there are very few you can actually call succesful, plus wow may have copy EQ but not to the extend the old republic copied wow, and plus there was little competition in mmorpg market, people hardly knew the genre back then while now its saturated.

I don't think GW2 will fail. It already has a large fanbase, so lots of people will probably buy it nonetheless. Then there's the no subscription part, so even when you're a casual gamer or don't have loads of free time, which most MMO's need, you don't have to worry about your subscription running out. And the game isn't really copying WoW, which most other potential WoW-beaters were doing. I'm not saying this game is going to be revolutionairy and WoW probably will have more subscribers than GW2, but GW2 will not fail, just like the first GW didn't fail.

If GW2 fails, I will go back to playing single player games or Guild Wars 1. But there are games like ArcheAge, Firefall, The Secret World and Planetside 2 (despite my growing concerns for it). In any case there looks to be plenty of mmos that seem to want to change up the mmo genre and free us from the stagnantion the genre is suffering from now.

Oh and dont forget TERA, Blade and Soul and Continent of the Ninth.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Do you REALLY think GW2 will launch with no bugs or balancing issues?

Do you think GW1 launched perfectly with no bugs or balancing issues?

Krelian-co

the faction system is obsolete and leads to failure in most mmorpgs, which is another big plus fro gw2

I believe that dephends on its integration more than anything to be quite honest. The Us vs Them system is garbage. But when you add a third faction (Planetside, Dark Age of Camelot) in there or allow for a neutral FFA faction (EverQuest 2) it gets quite interesting.

Games are getting far to much hype to take out well established series.

GW2 won't fail. However it won't be the king. This idea that you need to be #1 in order to have succeeded is rubbish.

Games are getting far to much hype to take out well established series.

GW2 won't fail. However it won't be the king. This idea that you need to be #1 in order to have succeeded is rubbish.

Wasdie

what is gw2?

It's ok, Blizzard will save us.

GW2 will not fail.

The fans will not let it happen.

Anet has been a fantastic supporter of GW1, constantly updating the game throughout the years.

I find the true fan of Guild Wars to be of a different breed than that of other MMO's. It may sound stupid, but the game really is something special. If you have played it for a while, you know exactly what I mean.

I remember playing the game in the winter of 2006. I used to live in upstate New York. We were having a major snowstorm and I was playing GW in the Shiverpeaks. It just was a really cool feeling. It's the atmosphere and very much the music that helps GW be what it is.

Of all the games that I have played in my 37 years, and there are alot of them, GW is the only one besides BF2 that would give me that certain feeling and detachment from reality that you can only know if you have experienced it.

But what i am saying is...if there are problems with the game at release, the GW community will speak up about it and will almost certainly get what they want.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]But cant we say that about most MMOs? And didn't WoW just copy EQ and optimized things?Krelian-co

and thats why most mmorpg fail, there are very few you can actually call succesful, plus wow may have copy EQ but not to the extend the old republic copied wow, and plus there was little competition in mmorpg market, people hardly knew the genre back then while now its saturated.

Not really. Most MMOs can be quite profitable with only a 'few' hundred thousand subscribers. That you need at least a million subscribers or so to make a successful MMO is a myth. There are some MMOs that have performed poorly in the last few years like Tabula Rasa or Warhammer Online (which was actually good), but the numbers are largely exaggerated.

Well if it's like that, for me personally it failed, I don't like anything about its gameplay, if I could I'd pay for a instant full level character to easily explore the world because that's all I intend to do in GW. I don't care about the lore, the quests, raids, dungeons, w/e, I just want to explore it since a few zones from the trailer were extremely interesting.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Prexxus"] Aion was not a failure at all. You must of not played it very much. GW1 was very hardcore if you were in any way good or competitive at it. You could go through the games story and play casual but that's not what GW was about. Prexxus