Anyone else think Far Cry is overrated?

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

"and once again here's you "10,000 games saying a game is great is fact and gamers that don't agree are wrong" then you ramble on about how millions of scientific studies are not fact and that scientists that don't agree are perfectly normal and right in not consenting to these studies."

Again, you are waaay out of context.  THE STUDIES DONT SHOW YOU CAN SCIENTIFICALLY PROVE ATTRACTIVENESS.  They show trends.  Having the proper ratio's does not PROVE you are attractive, no matter how acurate the statistic is.  You are using the research incorrectly and making invalid conclusions from it.

smerlus

your user reviews don't show that Far Cry is factually a great game! so i just destroyed your earlier arguement by using this whole debate against you.

Yes it does.  Because 1,000,000 women all saying Brad Pitt is a hunk also proves he is a hunk in the realm of general perception. 

It's like this...everybody says Far Cry is great becuase it has awesome graphics, good gameplay, and great AI.

What you are trying to do is take that statement of fact and now apply it elsewhere by using this logic.

A great game generally has good graphics, good gameplay, and good AI.  X game has all of these attributes, therefore X game is a good game.  This might not be the case.  There might be broken sound, bugs, errors, other things wrong with the game that ruins it. 

The proof is in people liking it, not a statistic.  You can't prove a game is good with a set of criteria.  Industry execs have been trying to do this for years.  Attributes gives you direction and insight, they in no way prove the result.

You didn't destroy anything, you are just a very confused guy...

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

haha

Whats up with you, one post ago you are freaking out...now it's "YAWN"?

Anyways, again, you are not analyzing that research correctly.  You cannot use it prove attraction.  Let me break it down for ya, in simple terms...

Scientific fact: "The majority turds are brown"

With this fact, we cannot now deduct:

Misconception: "Joe is a turd, therefore he is brown"

You cannot prove a person will be attractive with statistics, you merely analyze wether or not they fit the mold.

smerlus

typing with spces and caps is freaking out? ok

anyways i see where your whole argument is coming from... you think in your head that i said ALL women will find brad pitt more attractive than you (which they probably would) and then you're trying to apply this to my argument saying that i said ALL MEN AUTOMATICALLY FIND WOMEN WITH THIS RATIO AND THERE ARE NO WAY THAT THIS DOESN'T WORK EVER!

when i never said that.. i've consistantly said this is one of many different things that suggest attractiveness, these things have been proven factors and i'll even admit right now that there is no one on earth that has all of these theories going for them so it's impossible to tell how much weight they all hold.

so again... you're arguing with things you've made up that i said in your own mind so of course you're right. i'll admit, your little 'smerlus argument with dnugg twists' is wrong.

you just won that debate that was taking place in your mind between you and your made up copy of me. i hope you feel better and walk away from this topic a new man

Sure bud...sure bud.  I quoted you saying you can prove attractiveness scientifically.  That is not in my head. 

"i'll even admit right now that there is no one on earth that has all of these theories going for them so it's impossible to tell how much weight they all hold."

So how exactly can you use them to disprove someone's analogy and say you can prove it as fact?  Ah finally, a bit of honesty from you :)

Not to mention this whole stupid tangent on attractiveness is meaningless.  I can show you yet ANOTHER way some opinions are less valid then others.

Lets take 3 people, John, Sara, and Jim.

John and Sara both have played every FPS to date, Jim only a few.

All three play Halo

In Jim's opinion, Halo is an amazing game, with amazing gameplay and AI.

John and Sara both agree, while it was fun, they did not see anything that stood out.

Now tell me...are these opinions equal and hold the same wieght?

So now lets look at Far Cry again...11,000+ pc gamers (which we already agreed have played most FPS) all agree Far Cry is an amazing game with great AI.  Almost every reviewer in the industry (we can agree they have probally play as many if not more games then most player) also agree Far Cry is great and has great AI.

On the other hand, a few people (also probally avid game players) on this forum dont agree with the review, and found nothing special in the game or the AI.

Using the weight of the opinions of the people who played the game it is a pretty damn safe bet that Far Cry not only is a great game, but also has great AI.  This analysis holds more weight then..."every reviewer in the industry is an idiot or sell out and all the people who said it was great is crazy".  More likely scenario is just some people don't like it, so they need to validate their distaste by claiming something is "overrated"...

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

"and once again here's you "10,000 games saying a game is great is fact and gamers that don't agree are wrong" then you ramble on about how millions of scientific studies are not fact and that scientists that don't agree are perfectly normal and right in not consenting to these studies."

Again, you are waaay out of context.  THE STUDIES DONT SHOW YOU CAN SCIENTIFICALLY PROVE ATTRACTIVENESS.  They show trends.  Having the proper ratio's does not PROVE you are attractive, no matter how acurate the statistic is.  You are using the research incorrectly and making invalid conclusions from it.

dnuggs40

your user reviews don't show that Far Cry is factually a great game! so i just destroyed your earlier arguement by using this whole debate against you.

Yes it does.  Because 1,000,000 women all saying Brad Pitt is a hunk also proves he is a hunk in the realm of general perception. 

It's like this...everybody says Far Cry is great becuase it has awesome graphics, good gameplay, and great AI.

What you are trying to do is take that statement of fact and now apply it elsewhere by using this logic.

A great game generally has good graphics, good gameplay, and good AI.  X game has all of these attributes, therefore X game is a good game.  This might not be the case.  There might be broken sound, bugs, errors, other things wrong with the game that ruins it. 

The proof is in people liking it, not a statistic.  You can't prove a game is good with a set of criteria.  Industry execs have been trying to do this for years.  Attributes gives you direction and insight, they in no way prove the result.

You didn't destroy anything, you are just a very confused guy...

but there is scientific reasoning behind why Brad Pitt is better looking than you that can prove why more women would choose him over you

there isn't that with videogames...with videogames it's all opinion based, there's nothing far cry does to mysteriously attract a gamer to it and make them just fall in love with the game...

so how are these analogies even remotely close?

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

haha

Whats up with you, one post ago you are freaking out...now it's "YAWN"?

Anyways, again, you are not analyzing that research correctly.  You cannot use it prove attraction.  Let me break it down for ya, in simple terms...

Scientific fact: "The majority turds are brown"

With this fact, we cannot now deduct:

Misconception: "Joe is a turd, therefore he is brown"

You cannot prove a person will be attractive with statistics, you merely analyze wether or not they fit the mold.

dnuggs40

typing with spces and caps is freaking out? ok

anyways i see where your whole argument is coming from... you think in your head that i said ALL women will find brad pitt more attractive than you (which they probably would) and then you're trying to apply this to my argument saying that i said ALL MEN AUTOMATICALLY FIND WOMEN WITH THIS RATIO AND THERE ARE NO WAY THAT THIS DOESN'T WORK EVER!

when i never said that.. i've consistantly said this is one of many different things that suggest attractiveness, these things have been proven factors and i'll even admit right now that there is no one on earth that has all of these theories going for them so it's impossible to tell how much weight they all hold.

so again... you're arguing with things you've made up that i said in your own mind so of course you're right. i'll admit, your little 'smerlus argument with dnugg twists' is wrong.

you just won that debate that was taking place in your mind between you and your made up copy of me. i hope you feel better and walk away from this topic a new man

Sure bud...sure bud.  I quoted you saying you can prove attractiveness scientifically.  That is not in my head. 

"i'll even admit right now that there is no one on earth that has all of these theories going for them so it's impossible to tell how much weight they all hold."

So how exactly can you use them to disprove someone's analogy and say you can prove it as fact?  Ah finally, a bit of honesty from you :)

you can prove why he's more attractive because he has more of these attractive qualities than you have... it's just that simple.

if i like the color blue...is it just by some strange chance that most of the clothes I own are the color blue?

if there are millions of scientific studies that say 'people do prefer face symmetry, body shape, lots of money' is it some kind of coincidence that brad pitt has all of these and women find him attractive?

you're looking at this argument as if these things are False, no truth to them and people like brad pitt just because he's brad pitt and not you... which isn't the case

This thread just needs to die. :lol: I hope the TC is proud of himself, he created a monster.Alaris83

I have to agree here.. In the beginning it was good.. but has been dwindled down to mere nonsense.. which was what I was trying to convey with my lengthy post before.. Of course someone nit-picked through that one thinking all that I was saying is what I actually believed.. I guess the point of it was overlooked..

The ratio of attractiveness is an interesting topic.. but I feel it is best used in the off-topic forum.. Although, the theory that women change their menstral cycles due to phermones is a theory! There is evidence that this does not ALWAYS occur. Much like evolution is a "theory". A theory I happen to agree with, but nonetheless a theory. Hence, it is pretty pointless to go on about ratios, statistics, etc when people already have their minds set and will "go to their grave" believing something to be true or not true.

I cannot provide evidence that dnuggs or smerlus is right since I can see where both of them are coming from. I guess a few more "pages" of posts from both will eventually lead to an agreement.. but its hard to tell at this point since they are both pretty strong in their convictions. 

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

"and once again here's you "10,000 games saying a game is great is fact and gamers that don't agree are wrong" then you ramble on about how millions of scientific studies are not fact and that scientists that don't agree are perfectly normal and right in not consenting to these studies."

Again, you are waaay out of context.  THE STUDIES DONT SHOW YOU CAN SCIENTIFICALLY PROVE ATTRACTIVENESS.  They show trends.  Having the proper ratio's does not PROVE you are attractive, no matter how acurate the statistic is.  You are using the research incorrectly and making invalid conclusions from it.

smerlus

your user reviews don't show that Far Cry is factually a great game! so i just destroyed your earlier arguement by using this whole debate against you.

Yes it does.  Because 1,000,000 women all saying Brad Pitt is a hunk also proves he is a hunk in the realm of general perception. 

It's like this...everybody says Far Cry is great becuase it has awesome graphics, good gameplay, and great AI.

What you are trying to do is take that statement of fact and now apply it elsewhere by using this logic.

A great game generally has good graphics, good gameplay, and good AI.  X game has all of these attributes, therefore X game is a good game.  This might not be the case.  There might be broken sound, bugs, errors, other things wrong with the game that ruins it. 

The proof is in people liking it, not a statistic.  You can't prove a game is good with a set of criteria.  Industry execs have been trying to do this for years.  Attributes gives you direction and insight, they in no way prove the result.

You didn't destroy anything, you are just a very confused guy...

but there is scientific reasoning behind why Brad Pitt is better looking than you that can prove why more women would choose him over you

there isn't that with videogames...with videogames it's all opinion based, there's nothing far cry does to mysteriously attract a gamer to it and make them just fall in love with the game...

so how are these analogies even remotely close?

Nope, sorry.  If he was just as poor as me, he would still be more attractive.  If both me a Brad were just as rich, just as symmetrical, just as tall, he would still be more attractive, and no sceince in the world could tell you why.  Richard Gear does not fit the typical mold (short), yet he is still considered to be one of the most attractive people in his day.  You are using this like facts and absolutes, and it is not like that.

Show me ONE study that proves one person is more attractive then another.  You cannot.  All you can show is countless studies showing characteristics of attractive people.  Thats it.

I mean...out of these "millions" of studies...it shouldn't be hard to find ;)

Sorry repost, but it was a late edit...

This whole stupid tangent on attractiveness is meaningless.  I can show you yet ANOTHER way some opinions are less valid then others.

Lets take 3 people, John, Sara, and Jim.

John and Sara both have played every FPS to date, Jim only a few.

All three play Halo

In Jim's opinion, Halo is an amazing game, with amazing gameplay and AI.

John and Sara both agree, while it was fun, they did not see anything that stood out.

Now tell me...are these opinions equal and hold the same wieght?

So now lets look at Far Cry again...11,000+ pc gamers (which we already agreed have played most FPS) all agree Far Cry is an amazing game with great AI.  Almost every reviewer in the industry (we can agree they have probally play as many if not more games then most player) also agree Far Cry is great and has great AI.

On the other hand, a few people (also probally avid game players) on this forum dont agree with the review, and found nothing special in the game or the AI.

Using the weight of the opinions of the people who played the game it is a pretty damn safe bet that Far Cry not only is a great game, but also has great AI.  This analysis holds more weight then..."every reviewer in the industry is an idiot or sell out and all the people who said it was great is crazy".  More likely scenario is just some people don't like it, so they need to validate their distaste by claiming something is "overrated"...

I'm no longer in college.. :) I studied philosophy as a hobby. Amazing how someone can have enough time to pick through that post which was mostly satirical.. Alkpaz

What's so amazing?  I enjoyed picking apart your post - just like you (debating is fun, remember?).  It's a fun study break (I'm in med school and all we do is boring rote memorization for the first two years).

Sorry repost, but it was a late edit...

This whole stupid tangent on attractiveness is meaningless. I can show you yet ANOTHER way some opinions are less valid then others.

Lets take 3 people, John, Sara, and Jim.

John and Sara both have played every FPS to date, Jim only a few.

All three play Halo

In Jim's opinion, Halo is an amazing game, with amazing gameplay and AI.

John and Sara both agree, while it was fun, they did not see anything that stood out.

Now tell me...are these opinions equal and hold the same wieght?

So now lets look at Far Cry again...11,000+ pc gamers (which we already agreed have played most FPS) all agree Far Cry is an amazing game with great AI. Almost every reviewer in the industry (we can agree they have probally play as many if not more games then most player) also agree Far Cry is great and has great AI.

On the other hand, a few people (also probally avid game players) on this forum dont agree with the review, and found nothing special in the game or the AI.

Using the weight of the opinions of the people who played the game it is a pretty damn safe bet that Far Cry not only is a great game, but also has great AI. This analysis holds more weight then..."every reviewer in the industry is an idiot or sell out and all the people who said it was great is crazy". More likely scenario is just some people don't like it, so they need to validate their distaste by claiming something is "overrated"...

dnuggs40

Once again, Dnuggs lays the smack down.

an informed opinion >>> an uninformed opinion

It's true that all subjective opinions of taste are valid in that they inherently espouse a personal preference, and some people really do think Far Cry's AI sucks, but when comparing opinions, we can make value judgements as to which opinion is more reflective of reality for all but the most subjective of subjects.

Further, we can mix these opinions with the objective world - if you say that Game X's AI is terrible because it is very non-human like, but I then provide numerous examples of soldiers in Iraq fighting just as mimicked by Game X's AI engine, then your opinion that Game X has terrible, non-human like AI is shown to be at least partially incorrect, and thus your opinion, though valid as a reflection of your feelings, is invalid as a reflection of reality, and is not equal to my opinion, as the researcher who has demonstrated the accuracy of Game X's AI and thus believes this AI to be quality and life-like.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

Sorry repost, but it was a late edit...

This whole stupid tangent on attractiveness is meaningless. I can show you yet ANOTHER way some opinions are less valid then others.

Lets take 3 people, John, Sara, and Jim.

John and Sara both have played every FPS to date, Jim only a few.

All three play Halo

In Jim's opinion, Halo is an amazing game, with amazing gameplay and AI.

John and Sara both agree, while it was fun, they did not see anything that stood out.

Now tell me...are these opinions equal and hold the same wieght?

So now lets look at Far Cry again...11,000+ pc gamers (which we already agreed have played most FPS) all agree Far Cry is an amazing game with great AI. Almost every reviewer in the industry (we can agree they have probally play as many if not more games then most player) also agree Far Cry is great and has great AI.

On the other hand, a few people (also probally avid game players) on this forum dont agree with the review, and found nothing special in the game or the AI.

Using the weight of the opinions of the people who played the game it is a pretty damn safe bet that Far Cry not only is a great game, but also has great AI. This analysis holds more weight then..."every reviewer in the industry is an idiot or sell out and all the people who said it was great is crazy". More likely scenario is just some people don't like it, so they need to validate their distaste by claiming something is "overrated"...

Jack_Summersby

Once again, Dnuggs lays the smack down.

an informed opinion >>> an uninformed opinion

It's true that all subjective opinions of taste are valid in that they inherently espouse a personal preference, and some people really do think Far Cry's AI sucks, but when comparing opinions, we can make value judgements as to which opinion is more reflective of reality for all but the most subjective of subjects.

Further, we can mix these opinions with the objective world - if you say that Game X's AI is terrible because it is very non-human like, but I then provide numerous examples of soldiers in Iraq fighting just as mimicked by Game X's AI engine, then your opinion that Game X has terrible, non-human like AI is shown to be at least partially incorrect, and thus your opinion, though valid as a reflection of your feelings, is invalid as a reflection of reality, and is not equal to my opinion, as the researcher who has demonstrated the accuracy of Game X's AI and thus believes this AI to be quality and life-like.

he doesn't lay any smack down. i'm a gamer with over 20 years gaming experience and a collection of over 400 games... are you saying some people that voted 10 on Far Cry that didn't have close to my credentials is right because their view goes with the consensus and mine doesn't.

hmmm this strictly goes against your jim, james and sandy theory.

once again i proved you wrong with your very same train of thought dnuggs have a nice day

lol

You know it's funny, the very same arrogance that you make these self declared "victories" with is the very same arrogance that compells you to tell everyone else a game is overrated...

I think it is an interesting insight into your character...

And to answer your silly and completely brain dead question...

Only 14% rated Far Cry a perfect 10.  On the other hand, 64% rated it superb.  So...

Over 6000 informed players + the consensus of the professional reviewing sector > handful of smug, arrogant, informed players

lol

You know it's funny, the very same arrogance that you make these self declared "victories" with is the very same arrogance that compells you to tell everyone else a game is overrated...

I think it is an interesting insight into your character...

 

dnuggs40

and it's funny that you think i said the game is over rated and i never did.... a lot like the other arguments...

tells me something about your character.

honestly which one is it? does it take a ton of people to agree on something to make it fact... because you believe it does with far cry but not when someone buys britney spears cds

or is it intelligent/experienced people saying something... because people far more educated than you or I have come up with the WHR and the likes, done numerous studies, but you believe they don't matter while a reviewer from Gamespot saying Far Cry is good is a Fact.

wow talk about selfserving...

lol

Keep digging that hole deeper...

Anyways, I think i am done here.  Nothing more to be said other then trading insults, and I really don't want to do that anymore.  It was fun while it lasted, before the debate spiraled towards insanity with completely irrlevant malarky throw into the mix. 

I'm off to other subjects, nothing more can be said here...

And to answer your silly and completely brain dead question...

Only 14% rated Far Cry a perfect 10.  On the other hand, 64% rated it superb.  So...

Over 6000 informed players + the consensus of the professional reviewing sector > handful of smug, arrogant, informed players

dnuggs40

yes but i just looked at about the most recent top 10 people that posted and i have far more gaming experience than them and from your post saying that more educated views outweigh less educated ones... do we just disregard these people's opinions because they haven't had the same amount of experience i do?

so again..what's the level we're arguing at Majority > Minority = Fact or Experience > Inexperience = Fact?

or could it be that these are all just opinions?

edit: grr I don't know how to spell average X| 

Your discussion about researches and attracitvness of women really bothered me, I mean, it is related to the "opinion" discussion but it has nothing to do with Far Cry... I didn't read it.

 Smerlus mentioned that "people believed the world is flat in the past" and all were proven wrong. But they belived it was a fact, we don't say that Far Cry is good, fact. We say "People believe the game is good, fact".

It is a fact that the avarage gamer would rate Far Cry a 9.1. It is a fact that among 11,000 opinions, 64% of thes thought the game is superb.

A game-score is an opinion, based on judgement. People judged the game and decided (by avarage) that this game is a superb game. Are they all right? I have no idea. Can their judgement tell wether the game is good or not? Maybe (yes here's my draw-back).

After 11,000 voted it has been calculated, the avarage is 9.1. That means that avarege an player is most likably to find this game fun, along with ALL of its aspects- gameplay, AI and length included.

I'm not saying in any way "see I can give you 6000 people that think this game is great, so this game is great". I'm saying that so many people have enjoyed this game, yet you try to argue and say "how can they enjoy this game, the AI is broken". To you the AI is broken. They liked it (fact). The AI is broken, opinion. Stop pushing your opinion so hard, because it is just an opinion. I will shove this fact right deeper into your throat- the avarege player thinks this game is superb.

Well but actually, what does a game-score is anyway? That's maybe the point of the discussion, and understanding the concept behind it is the tool to solve this arguement. A game-score reflects (inaccurately, but close) the chance you will find a player that will enjoy the game. Really, we are all consumers. We all seek to enjoy the game. If someone else enjoyed a game, let him. Doesn't he deserve it? People can enjoy games where the AI is not perfect. People can and will enjoy games where you are put in a serious disatvantage. It's called challenge, though it may lead to frustration, people should understand that it is only a video game and they're in control. Overcoming challenges can give people satisfaction and this is what games are all about.  Nobody has to go through this game, nobody must finish this game. Nobody has to like this game at all. But we all must enjoy what we are doing and stop being such terrible monsters. So what if the game was not fun and 'you' (someone) want to shredd it? Does it mean we all have to hear someone's wrath everytime he just can't enjoy a game? There are better ways to express yourself.

You haven't really said anything new here, and you haven't addressed any of Dnuggs points - you've just rehashed some earlier ideas with even less impact than when they were originally presented.
 

I have played it 4 times now.  Each time at a harder level. I think it is under-rated

I do. The graphics are the only thing good about it. Boring gameplay, story is predictable, and the game is just extremely glitchy. I picked up the game last summer, and I liked it, but looking at it now, it's just an average game. However, I must admit that I adored the lush Jungle environments and the other eye candies.

To sum it all up, I wasted my $20.00. I want to sell the game. How much will I get if I sell it at Gamestop/EB Games?

xTRIGGER092x

Gamestop (as far as I know) does not buy used computer games; I'm uncertain about EB Games.

You have to remember that not everyone agrees with every game rating. You might not think highly of FarCry, but you may love Battle Field games....while your next door neighbor really likes FarCry and hates the Battle Field games. Your rankings/ratings for games you like will be high while for the games you dislike will be lower.

Take this for example:

In GFW (Games for Windows) magazine (I believe it was issue #5) where they rated The World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade a 10 out of 10.

While myself on the other hand can't understand why it was given a perfect score. The graphics are dated, the new story line isn't very impressive and I just don't understand the concept of constant grinding in MMOs to rate it a 10 out of 10. I would have given it a 6.5 out of 10 because I don't really see any new content being added; just the current stuff being expanded upon.

You can feel FarCry is overrated all you want, it's your opinion, but you have to remember that most of these people that write reviews for magazines/websites need to try their best to keep their personal opinion out of the score they give. Scores need to be given based on gameplay, graphics, controls, storyline, replayability (is that a word?), glitches/bugs, camra view(s) and anything else that affects the overall experience.

I'd say, check around other sites and see what others rated FarCry....or you can check out the reviews that everyday people that visit this site wrote up for FarCry (go here: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/farcry/players.html).

My original score for FarCry was a 9, but that was before I played through the whole thing at least once. After having gone through once and then again a couple years later (after I got a better PC) I would be leaning more towards an 8. Either way, FarCry is a pretty decent game that any FPS fan should try out.

SunnySimantov

I think you came into the topic a little too late and you skimmed over the posts.

I didn't say the game sucks like everyone on here is trying to say. it seems people have selective reading and they want to nit pick my posts.

I did a review about the game and gave it an 8.7 I've also stated this fact a bunch of times. That's only .4 points under the average also I mentioned that the AI is flawed.

People started saying I was wrong and posting quotes from reviewers saying the AI is great

I started posting quotes from reviewers saying that the AI makes glaring mistakes.

i was still wrong

so then the argument morphed into "well 11,000 say that far cry is a great game, that means it's a great game.

my counter argument was 10,000,000 people bought britney spears cd's and said the cd is a 4.5 out of 5 star cd... that means it's one of the greatest cd's

buuuuut out of some weird twist of logic...people's opinions about cd's don't have the same weight as people's opinions about games. those 10,000,000 people voting for britney spears are little more than monkey with keyboards while the far cry voters are scholars among men.

again i was wrong

so then my next course of action to make the logic run in even more circles was to bring up the reasons for attraction in humans. Here's a case where millions of studies have been done by men that hold various degrees and a majority of them believe the same thing. showing that an educated majority rules.

but again i was told. the 10,000 ov Far Cry voters means the game is great. 10,000,000 people that think britney spears cd is great means nothing and the countless number of scientists, doctors and psychologists that believe in something doesn't matter either because it can't be proven just from numbers of educated people saying the same thing.

i was told i was wrong

so the last analogy was tom, dick and jane all play games, a few as casual gamers and tom is a serious gamer. Tom thinks the game is great and the other two think it's average. so tom's opinion holds more weight.

then i brought up the fact that i've been gaming for over 20 years, i have a collection of over 400 games and have played countless others. seeing now that according to the last analogy, my opinion is much more valid than the first 13 or so people that rated the game over a 9. meaning that their votes of 9 should be useless because they haven't played games as long as i have or as many as i have...

but again i was told i was wrong

and i did all of this as fun because i'm really bored of this forum and decided to have people fall over their posts and laugh to myself while they do it.

Here is the best answer to arrogant smerlus:

"Anything can be picked apart a thousand ways with selective examples and an unwillingness to put things in context. That you call Far Cry's AI "cheap on any setting" seems way out of context. If you compare the AI to other titles around the same period, there is no way it's as bad as you are claiming."

Smerlus, your entirety of all your arguments are all based on undue weight.  About taking things out of context, and putting weight into small details.  Far Cry has flaws in the AI, WE ALL KNOW THAT.  But when taken other games released around the same time, it STILL PROVES TO BE GREAT.  You on the other hand, pretend the AI's flaws are everywhere, and that there is just no avoiding them and they happen all the time everywhere.  EVERYONE KNOWS THIS IS A LOAD OF BALONEY.  Thats why 10,000+ people say the AI is great, that's why every single reviewers says the AI is great, and that's why you are smug, arrogant, and full of s***.

And to complain about all these wild tangents is just idiotic, when YOU are the one who makes these crazy comparisions with things that have ZERO relation to the topic, forcing everyone else to argue on foolish thing like the science of attraction.

"and i did all of this as fun because i'm really bored of this forum and decided to have people fall over their posts and laugh to myself while they do it."

The only one laughing is you, and this statement only shows what a smug angry little man you are.

Here is the best answer to arrogant smerlus:

"Anything can be picked apart a thousand ways with selective examples and an unwillingness to put things in context. That you call Far Cry's AI "cheap on any setting" seems way out of context. If you compare the AI to other titles around the same period, there is no way it's as bad as you are claiming."

Smerlus, your entirety of all your arguments are all based on undue weight.  About taking things out of context, and putting weight into small details.  Far Cry has flaws in the AI, WE ALL KNOW THAT.  But when taken other games released around the same time, it STILL PROVES TO BE GREAT.  You on the other hand, pretend the AI's flaws are everywhere, and that there is just no avoiding them and they happen all the time everywhere.  EVERYONE KNOWS THIS IS A LOAD OF BALONEY.  Thats why 10,000+ people say the AI is great, that's why every single reviewers says the AI is great, and that's why you are smug, arrogant, and full of s***.

And to complain about all these wild tangents is just idiotic, when YOU are the one who makes these crazy comparisions with things that have ZERO relation to the topic, forcing everyone else to argue on foolish thing like the science of attraction.

"and i did all of this as fun because i'm really bored of this forum and decided to have people fall over their posts and laugh to myself while they do it."

The only one laughing is you, and this statement only shows what a smug angry little man you are.

dnuggs40

didn't you say you weren't coming back here? once again you are doubling back over your posts.

I'm the only one that brought nonsense to this foolish debate over trying to prove me wrong and thought it was fun?

you're wrong once again... what about the fellow that ranted on about philosophy just for the fun of it and said he was joking around? he was another person that thought the foolishness in this thread was humorous, he even pointed out that i was messing around just to mess around 5 pages ago.

also didn't you bring up that you look better than brad pitt as an analogy and i just ran with that crappy idea sparking the whole attraction part which you now blame me for starting?

and once more, you're nit picking... i made the comparison to a car getting inspected. the car can drive fine and in most cases that's what people want a car to do. but when the mechanic says "hey we can't give you a sticker because there's a few little things wrong with your car"....the car is broke. you can argue all you want that the car works fine because it can drive. anyone that can think clearly will tell you that it's broke. that doesn't mean all of a sudden the car isn't work or that the car is automatically ruined

so what in my review, which i gave the game an 8.7, said the AI does some things great but is downright retarded on numerous other things, gives you the right to keep telling me i'm wrong? You're flipping out calling me all sorts of names because in your head you believe that i'm putting down this game sooooo bad for voting it .4 points under the average. you even said that i said that this game is overrated, which i never did.

seriously you've been arguing with a version of me you created in your head and i'm just fanning the flames.. and i don't care if i'm the only one that finds it funny

should we now debate on whether or not it's funny just because one person laughs about something? this could extend the topic to 8 more pages and i'm so game. :D

No...just called you out and have been correct on the issues.  You think people are stupid, but it is obvious most who have replied thus far have seen the major logical holes in pretty much everything you say.  You want everyone to believe things you say have more weight then everybody else in pretty much the entire gaming industry.  Sorry bud, you are wrong.  Thats why they get paid to review games.  They don't let their little immature gripes and other baloney get in the way.  They try and put porportional weight to issues.  They looked at the AI against it's peers, saw that it was great, then took the fact there are bugs, but gave the appropriate weight to these bugs becuase they dont happen often enough to DETRACT FROM THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE.  Thats called fair and unbiased reviewing.  And funny enough, THE ENTIRE GAMMING COMMUNITY AGREES, save a few sour grapes.

"didn't you say you weren't coming back here?"

lol so sue me. 

"should we now debate on whether or not it's funny just because one person laughs about something? "

Sure, why not...

Do you think laughing all by yourself is fun?  Sounds kinda lonely...

And the point about the laughing comment is not that you are laughing, but the insuation you make.  You pretend everyone is making stupid comments, falling over their own comments, and you, oh great Smerlus, is just laughing and having a wonderful time and is completely right and everyone else is stupid.

The point is not that you are laughing by yourself, the real joke is you have nothing to laugh about...

It's definitely overrated!

 I know people say "it's a 2004 game", but sorry- This is a RUBBISH argument!! Play half-life 1, that's even older and it still holds it's own. Far Cry was a decent shooter, but the storyline was awful, and there wasn't anything outstanding about the gameplay. only the graphics were really amazing.

my counter argument was 10,000,000 people bought britney spears cd's and said the cd is a 4.5 out of 5 star cd... that means it's one of the greatest cd's

buuuuut out of some weird twist of logic...people's opinions about cd's don't have the same weight as people's opinions about games. those 10,000,000 people voting for britney spears are little more than monkey with keyboards while the far cry voters are scholars among men.

again i was wrong

so then my next course of action to make the logic run in even more circles was to bring up the reasons for attraction in humans. Here's a case where millions of studies have been done by men that hold various degrees and a majority of them believe the same thing. showing that an educated majority rules.

but again i was told. the 10,000 ov Far Cry voters means the game is great. 10,000,000 people that think britney spears cd is great means nothing and the countless number of scientists, doctors and psychologists that believe in something doesn't matter either because it can't be proven just from numbers of educated people saying the same thing.

i was told i was wrong

so the last analogy was tom, dick and jane all play games, a few as casual gamers and tom is a serious gamer. Tom thinks the game is great and the other two think it's average. so tom's opinion holds more weight.

/QUOTE]

I was the one who brought up Britney for the sub argument about music being harder to rate than games. The fps genre is only 13 1/2 years old and how many are released per year on average? 15 maybe. Not hard to be in the know of such a new form of entertainment with such a small amount of titles per year.

The pop music genre that Britney is a part of has been around much much longer with at least 10 times as many titles per year. Much harder to give a credible review.

No...just called you out and have been correct on the issues.  You think people are stupid, but it is obvious most who have replied thus far have seen the major logical holes in pretty much everything you say.  You want everyone to believe things you say have more weight then everybody else in pretty much the entire gaming industry.  Sorry bud, you are wrong.  Thats why they get paid to review games.  They don't let their little immature gripes and other baloney get in the way.  They try and put porportional weight to issues.  They looked at the AI against it's peers, saw that it was great, then took the fact there are bugs, but gave the appropriate weight to these bugs becuase they dont happen often enough to DETRACT FROM THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE.  Thats called fair and unbiased reviewing.  And funny enough, THE ENTIRE GAMMING COMMUNITY AGREES, save a few sour grapes.

"didn't you say you weren't coming back here?"

lol so sue me. 

"should we now debate on whether or not it's funny just because one person laughs about something? "

Sure, why not...

Do you think laughing all by yourself is fun?  Sounds kinda lonely...

And the point about the laughing comment is not that you are laughing, but the insuation you make.  You pretend everyone is making stupid comments, falling over their own comments, and you, oh great Smerlus, is just laughing and having a wonderful time and is completely right and everyone else is stupid.

The point is not that you are laughing by yourself, the real joke is you have nothing to laugh about...

dnuggs40

i have logical holes? looks at everything i've pointed out about your arguments... the only difference is you're trying hard to prove me wrong and i'm just playing around. my arguments were nonsense that just poked fun at your nonsensical arguments that you hold to be true and factual.

i've never tried to prove someone's ideas about the AI wrong... i simply defended my opinion. you're the one that keeps saying my opinion is wrong because 6,000 people say something else (which then caused me to make fun of every single point you've brought up thus far) YOU are the one that quoted me saying my opinion is false so again.... how am i the one that thinks my opinion is above all others?

i stated my opinion, i have proof of why i believe my opinion and you keep trying to say i'm wrong... then you sit there and call me a villain saying i'm trying to prove everyone else wrong. i've said 54 times that i don't care if you like the AI... i've never once quoted someone that said "far cry has got great ai" and gone "nuh uh...no it doesn't"

but you've quoted me and said "nuh uh you're wrong about the AI"

and since when is approx. the 11,500 people that voted on far cry the entire gaming community? even when i've said the game deserves an 8.7 you've narrowed the field down to roughly 6,000 people that rated the game higher than me as being correct... so since the people that voted 10's are insane, the people that voted lower than 9 are unfair to this game....how is 6,000 out of 11,500 the entire gaming community when it's not even the entire percentage of people that voted on this game? to me it looks more like 1/2 of the people that have played Far Cry.

and again why isn't britney's spears cd a classic when a crap load of people rated it 4.5 stars? i mean this is the same thing as your majority rules in far cry... but it doesn't count when it comes to cd's

and what was your analogy that people that play games more, have more games have a better opinion than those that don't play as much? because i've looked at the profiles of a bunch of people that rated far cry and found that i've been playing longer and more games than them and using your analogy, i'm just a better voter than them.

and who is finding holes in who's arguments when you can't even answer these simple questions?

lastly.. one person can find something funny. the definition of funny is simply: causing amusement or laughter. It doesn't say it takes a special quota of people or a general consensus to find something funny. so why can't i think this thread is funny? is it because the sacred 6,000 far cry voters aren't laughing?

so i'll stop that debate before it's even started.

I was the one who brought up Britney for the sub argument about music being harder to rate than games. The fps genre is only 13 1/2 years old and how many are released per year on average? 15 maybe. Not hard to be in the know of such a new form of entertainment with such a small amount of titles per year.

The pop music genre that Britney is a part of has been around much much longer with at least 10 times as many titles per year. Much harder to give a credible review.

Cranler

but it's much more of a profound statement when there are hundreds of thousands of cd's, millions of artists to choose from, hundreds of genres spanning centuries of music but 10,000,000 people from the same time period get together and say that a single cd is great.

which looks better? if i gave a bunch of people 80 shirts to choose from and 10,000 people picked the same one or i gave people countless shirts to pick from and 10,000,000 picked the same shirt?

"i've never tried to prove someone's ideas about the AI wrong... i simply defended my opinion."

I beg the differ...

"I still think that people that say this game has great AI are crazy... The AI is cheap on any setting."

That was your opening statement...

"and since when is approx. the 11,500 people that voted on far cry the entire gaming community?"

Good lord...have you ever taken statistics? 

"to me it looks more like 1/2 of the people that have played Far Cry."

Again, your math is GROSSLY incorrect.  93% have rated it "Great" or better.  With 3.4% "Good" and 2.59% "Other".  The "half" you speak on is the thing we "agreed" on calling informative game players.  And it's not "half", it's 64%.  So...out of incredible consensus that Far Cry is great, we conclude 64% was informed players.  LOL...good grief charlie brown...

"and again why isn't britney's spears cd a classic when a crap load of people rated it 4.5 stars? i mean this is the same thing as your majority rules in far cry... but it doesn't count when it comes to cd's"

Who is to say Briteny Spears is not a great artist for her listeners?  Does she have a bad voice?  Is her music of poor quality?  It sure as hell is not my cup of tea but it certainly has some essence of quality for the group of people it is aimed at.  A person into classical probally would not be caught dead listening to her, and thats exactly the point.  Far Cry is in the SAME EXACT genre as other shooters, so we are comparing the AI of Far Cry against it's PEERS in the exact same GENRE.  Far Cry is aimed at the PC Gamer who is into FPS's, and it excells at what it is designed to do.  Your Britney Spears analogy holds now weight...

"and what was your analogy that people that play games more, have more games have a better opinion than those that don't play as much? because i've looked at the profiles of a bunch of people that rated far cry and found that i've been playing longer and more games than them and using your analogy, i'm just a better voter than them."

And you and a few others are all on your lonesome.  I have been playing games just as long as you, so our votes cancel each other out.  And you miss the point of that entirely.  You claimed opinions are all equal as a fact, I was just proving you wrong!

"lastly.. one person can find something funny. the definition of funny is simply: causing amusement or laughter. It doesn't say it takes a special quota of people or a general consensus to find something funny. so why can't i think this thread is funny? is it because the sacred 6,000 far cry voters aren't laughing?"

But you forget one smal detail, we live in a society.  A person laughing all by themselves in a crowded room is viewed as a maniac...

"the only difference is you're trying hard to prove me wrong and i'm just playing around. my arguments were nonsense that just poked fun at your nonsensical arguments that you hold to be true and factual.

I didn't catch this...

Thats pathetic.  First of all, you are lying, secondly, that means EVERYTHING you have said cannot be taken seriously now, because you will just back peddle and say you were joking, or just throwing nonsense out there for fun.  Now that I know that is where you are comming from, there is absolutely zero reason to continue this.

How freaking cowardly...

"i've never tried to prove someone's ideas about the AI wrong... i simply defended my opinion."

I beg the differ...

"I still think that people that say this game has great AI are crazy... The AI is cheap on any setting."

That was your opening statement...

"and since when is approx. the 11,500 people that voted on far cry the entire gaming community?"

Good lord...have you ever taken statistics? 

"to me it looks more like 1/2 of the people that have played Far Cry."

Again, your math is GROSSLY incorrect.  93% have rated it "Great" or better.  With 3.4% "Good" and 2.59% "Other".  The "half" you speak on is the thing we "agreed" on calling informative game players.  And it's not "half", it's 64%.  So...out of incredible consensus that Far Cry is great, we conclude 64% was informed players.  LOL...good grief charlie brown...

"and again why isn't britney's spears cd a classic when a crap load of people rated it 4.5 stars? i mean this is the same thing as your majority rules in far cry... but it doesn't count when it comes to cd's"

Who is to say Briteny Spears is not a great artist for her listeners?  Does she have a bad voice?  Is her music of poor quality?  It sure as hell is not my cup of tea but it certainly has some essence of quality for the group of people it is aimed at.  A person into classical probally would not be caught dead listening to her, and thats exactly the point.  Far Cry is in the SAME EXACT genre as other shooters, so we are comparing the AI of Far Cry against it's PEERS in the exact same GENRE.  Far Cry is aimed at the PC Gamer who is into FPS's, and it excells at what it is designed to do.  Your Britney Spears analogy holds now weight...

"and what was your analogy that people that play games more, have more games have a better opinion than those that don't play as much? because i've looked at the profiles of a bunch of people that rated far cry and found that i've been playing longer and more games than them and using your analogy, i'm just a better voter than them."

And you and a few others are all on your lonesome.  I have been playing games just as long as you, so our votes cancel each other out.  And you miss the point of that entirely.  You claimed opinions are all equal as a fact, I was just proving you wrong!

"lastly.. one person can find something funny. the definition of funny is simply: causing amusement or laughter. It doesn't say it takes a special quota of people or a general consensus to find something funny. so why can't i think this thread is funny? is it because the sacred 6,000 far cry voters aren't laughing?"

But you forget one smal detail, we live in a society.  A person laughing all by themselves in a crowded room is viewed as a maniac...

 

dnuggs40

i do think the people that say Far Cry has great AI without listing it's shortcommings are crazy... i didn't say that they were wrong but it's pretty much false advertising to say "far cry's aI is great... it does push ups, talks on the phone and squad tactics" while not listing anything wrong that it does.

if you were selling a bike, would you say "this bike is great! the peddles works, the breaks work, it rides smooth" then ignore the fact that the gears sometimes don't work right and still consider yourself an honest reviewer of the bikes condition?

It's funny that i rated the game as being great and at the same time said the AI is flawed and you're still crying about it like i made fun of your mother for 20 pages.

you've said plenty of times that my opinion is wrong and i voted in the great percentage... that means anyone else that voted great or lower is wrong. you even said the people that vote 10's can't be counted. so all you have is the superbs which, because i didn't look, happens to be 62%

so again how is 62% out of 11,500 the entire gaming community saying that Far Cry is a great game when all of the people that voted on Far Cry don't say it's a great game?~disclaimer~ the great i'm referring to isn't the one defined by Gamespot's point system maybe that is where some confusion comes from~

and i'm sorry but the pop catagory that britney spears falls under is much larger than the FPS catagory that far cry stands under and a bunch of people liking her cd still doesn't mean that she has a great cd. again you said since 10,000 people liking far cry is the entire gaming community agreeing that this game is great. how come i can't assume that 10,000,000 saying britney spears cd is good could possibly be the entire music listening community... and therefore say that since you admitted that you don't like britney spears cd that you are wrong... your opinion is wrong and it doesn't count.

yes you might have the same number of years gaming as i do but i've played more games and i own more games... my vote out weighs yours and many other's that voted... and i'm sure there are a bunch that outweigh me. but for now since your analogy has empowered my opinion with more weight and am the gamer with the most years, games and amount of games played, reviewed and everything i can say you're wrong.

you forget one small detail, this forum is not a public place. when i laugh at you i'm alone in my room... who areound here is going to call me crazy?

do you even know i'm really laughing?

"the only difference is you're trying hard to prove me wrong and i'm just playing around. my arguments were nonsense that just poked fun at your nonsensical arguments that you hold to be true and factual.

I didn't catch this...

Thats pathetic.  First of all, you are lying, secondly, that means EVERYTHING you have said cannot be taken seriously now, because you will just back peddle and say you were joking, or just throwing nonsense out there for fun.  Now that I know that is where you are comming from, there is absolutely zero reason to continue this.

How freaking cowardly...

dnuggs40

lol someone pointed out that i was joking about 6 pages ago but you're the one that continued arguing. how am i being cowardly when you're the one foolish enough to argue with someone that really doesn't care about this debate and i'm just throwing out crazy things to watch you argue about.

i feel like Drew Carrey on Who's Line is it Anyway?  i just sent out useless suggestions and watched you get fired up about them and kept doing so because it's funny that you keep telling me i'm wrong and calling me names.

so how is that cowardly?

what is cowardly is the 14 times you said you were going to leave this topic but you keep coming back...you sir are simply not a man of your word and should be ashamed of yourself for stooping so low as namecalling.

"the only difference is you're trying hard to prove me wrong and i'm just playing around. my arguments were nonsense that just poked fun at your nonsensical arguments that you hold to be true and factual.

I didn't catch this...

Thats pathetic. First of all, you are lying, secondly, that means EVERYTHING you have said cannot be taken seriously now, because you will just back peddle and say you were joking, or just throwing nonsense out there for fun. Now that I know that is where you are comming from, there is absolutely zero reason to continue this.

How freaking cowardly...

dnuggs40

Smerlus is lying.  He meant to whomp your arse in an online debate, but when he lost he decided to say he was just "pretending".  That may be the biggest cop-out ever.  Congrats smerlus, you're #1!!!

I've played many (most?) of the top FPS pc games over the last 10+ years, and to this day the only two games with AI that even play in the same league as Far Cry are HL:1 and FEAR.  (HL:1's AI may be dated - I haven't played it in a while, but it's definitely better than HL:2's (non-existant) AI).

Perhaps jsut a little.  Where places say its one of the best single player experences...That i don't agree with.  its fun, not i dont find it amazing.  Plus the online sucks. 

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

"the only difference is you're trying hard to prove me wrong and i'm just playing around. my arguments were nonsense that just poked fun at your nonsensical arguments that you hold to be true and factual.

I didn't catch this...

Thats pathetic. First of all, you are lying, secondly, that means EVERYTHING you have said cannot be taken seriously now, because you will just back peddle and say you were joking, or just throwing nonsense out there for fun. Now that I know that is where you are comming from, there is absolutely zero reason to continue this.

How freaking cowardly...

Jack_Summersby

Smerlus is lying.  He meant to whomp your arse in an online debate, but when he lost he decided to say he was just "pretending".  That may be the biggest cop-out ever.  Congrats smerlus, you're #1!!!

I've played many (most?) of the top FPS pc games over the last 10+ years, and to this day the only two games with AI that even play in the same league as Far Cry are HL:1 and FEAR.  (HL:1's AI may be dated - I haven't played it in a while, but it's definitely better than HL:2's (non-existant) AI).

lol you got me... i tied dogs that suffer from seperation anxiety, the waist-hip ratio, britney spears, Venus De Milo and a bunch of other totally unrelated things together because i thought those things were closely linked to Far Cry AI hiccups.

when here's what actually happened...

i wrote a blog saying how bored i am of these forums. it's either boring news or people arguing about tiny little things.

then I simply made a statement that no one can disprove. Far Cry has flaws in its AI and watched people get mad.

then I had my dog next to me, i put him into the debate, i got my car inspected i put that in there, i fixed up my bike for the upcomming weeks so that i can ride it and i put that in there. my cousin's gf and i were talking about britney spears because they both shaved their heads so i tossed that in there, i was tossing out old notebooks and found my psychology notebook and i put the attraction thing in there, chatted with a friend i went to boot camp and school with and he talked about the fun we had with turok 2, put that in there and my favorite color is blue. all the while i was either chatting with friends or playing Rainbow 6 Vegas

i watched the debate get more and more out of control and just kept adding more things... if i wasn't so bored i would have went along with the "funny" argument more

so could it be we have another name caller because they wasted time arguing against a guy that couldn't care less? i'll make it up to you and we can talk about 24 if you'd like...

in the end i'm just another one of the 93% of gamers that voted Far Cry great or higher, I'm one of the dozens of people that reviewed the game and said "the AI does some things really well and other things stupid" I never said the game was over-rated i honestly think it was under rated until the consoles were able to get their hands on a version and tons of people were able to talk about how fun it is to snipe someone from the top of a cliff

so again...what are we arguing about? dogs, ms spears, definitions, theories, colors?

i'm just surprised no one got modded

Parametric animations!

realtime ambient maps!

it s 10 already , and it s not even a game

edit:typos !) 

[QUOTE="Cranler"]I was the one who brought up Britney for the sub argument about music being harder to rate than games. The fps genre is only 13 1/2 years old and how many are released per year on average? 15 maybe. Not hard to be in the know of such a new form of entertainment with such a small amount of titles per year.

The pop music genre that Britney is a part of has been around much much longer with at least 10 times as many titles per year. Much harder to give a credible review.

smerlus

but it's much more of a profound statement when there are hundreds of thousands of cd's, millions of artists to choose from, hundreds of genres spanning centuries of music but 10,000,000 people from the same time period get together and say that a single cd is great.

which looks better? if i gave a bunch of people 80 shirts to choose from and 10,000 people picked the same one or i gave people countless shirts to pick from and 10,000,000 picked the same shirt?

There were about 900 customer reviews for that cd.

We agreed a few pages back that a review is very much based off what we've heard or played before. If there are a million artists to choose from then how can they possibly give a credible review? These cd reviewers have heard 5% at the most of all pop music.

If I had reviewed Nirvana's Nevermind when I was 15 I would have given it 5/5. It was the best rock album I had ever heard. After listening to a lot of classic rock I would now give it a 4/5.

Plus keep in mind that the budget for creating an album is much lower. Its absolutley imperative that a game get hyped to make a profit. Many great artist dont even care about popularity and often pass under the radar.

I've listened to music much more than I've played fps's but I consider myself much more knowledgable about fps's since there are so few titles compared to music albums. And more so now than ever much of the best music is the least popular.

Smerlus...thats pathetic.

It's one thing to be on the losing end of a discussion, it's another thing entirely to pretend you were "joking" all along to "damper" the impact and pretend you were not even trying.  You are smug, arrogant, and now a proven liar. 

Dishonesty is disgusting...

wow, that 'i'm just playing around' cop out is just sad smerlus.  the only part you got right was the 'my arguments were nonsense'

aahh well...  at least it was an entertaining read from beginning to screeching-halt end.

Smerlus...thats pathetic.

It's one thing to be on the losing end of a discussion, it's another thing entirely to pretend you were "joking" all along to "damper" the impact and pretend you were not even trying.  You are smug, arrogant, and now a proven liar. 

Dishonesty is disgusting...

 

dnuggs40

lol and i'm the liar, weren't you supposed to leave this topic 9 pages ago.

anyways, go look though all my 6000 posts and see if i ever took a thread this off topic before... you'll find out that I haven't.

you expect to believe the last 20 or so posts are the way I actually talk about games?

you guys are the arrogant ones.... you guys played the fool since about my 3rd post in this topic and you still believe you're right... enjoy living in that fantasy world. this thread gets better and better each post seeing how mad I've made some of you.

you guys make me laugh..

OH NOES my internet cred is ruined!

:'(

The only person living in fantasy land is you...

Well at least you are not laughing alone anymore, we are all laughing now...AT YOU! :lol: