Anyone else think Far Cry is overrated?

IMO the selling point of the game is gfx. So iunno how it can be overrated compared to the cult following for some of the crappier games. I got it in a bundle w/soundcard so i cant really complain much about it.But after a few levels it got heavily generic, at least the enemies.SaDiZTiKStyLeZ

Fantastic post. In my opinion. Once, you take the smoke and mirrors AKA graphics away. All that's left is a subpar shooter. 

[QUOTE="SaDiZTiKStyLeZ"]IMO the selling point of the game is gfx. So iunno how it can be overrated compared to the cult following for some of the crappier games. I got it in a bundle w/soundcard so i cant really complain much about it.But after a few levels it got heavily generic, at least the enemies.ChocoKat

Fantastic post. In my opinion. Once, you take the smoke and mirrors AKA graphics away. All that's left is a subpar shooter. 

I absolutely hate the word "Overrated", because it implies a rather large amount of arrogance on the part of the user. Far Cry was rated highly because a whole lot of people loved it, me included. To say "it's overrated" is essentially the same as saying "I didn't like it. Therefore nobody else should.". If you don't like it, don't play it. It's undeniable that Far Cry was an enormous success and and many, MANY people enjoyed it.

Nobody is forcing you to play Far Cry. Go ahead and sell it if you don't like it, there's no use keeping something you won't use. Just don't try to force that opinion on everyone else. Games, like art or movies, are subjective. Some will like, some won't. Get over it.

QualityJeverage

[QUOTE="Zeke129"]

I can't help but think smerlus was installing Far Cry one day, and the disk burst apart and ripped through his dog. It would explain the hatred of Far Cry and the dog fixation.

He then watched some videos of the game and came to these rediculous conclusions about the AI. I played Far Cry. LOTS. The AI never does any of those things you mentioned when on the highest difficulty setting. (Except for the night-shooting...) Try playing with the AI balance setting.

It's time to face the facts: Far Cry was a revolutionary shooter. The graphics were fantastic, the AI was fantastic, and the level design was fantastic. The only complaints any sane person can have of the game is the garbage story, and that's it.

 

ChocoKat

Opinions are not facts. It's YOUR opinion that the graphics were fantastic. It's YOUR opinion that the AI was fantastic. It's YOUR opinion that the level design was fantastic. A sane person would know the difference between the two.

Opinions can be facts. It's a fact that over 11,000 player votes (opinions) on gamespot averaged 9.1 for Far Cry, and a sane person would see that means it's a solid game with good AI. Also, just because someone has a dissenting opinion doesn't mean it has equal merit or that it's correct.

I get the feeling those who put down the AI of Far Cry haven't played enough games to place AI in context, or they had a hard time getting though some of those night levels. While AI can be challenging, like in chess game, it can't remotely act like a human player, with all the unpredictability. What where you expecting the Mercs in Far Cry to do? Run away? Do you have any idea how many games truely have lousy AI, and you're picking on Far Cry?    

"It's a fact that over 11,000 player votes (opinions) on gamespot averaged 9.1 for Far Cry, and a sane person would see that means it's a solid game with good AI."

Why can't people get this? 11,000+ people avg 9.1, out of all professional reviews it gets a 8.7, with most of it's praise comming from graphics and outstanding AI. Why is this FACT so hard to grasp for people? One reviewer...fine...that doesn't say much, but the entire gaming community all saying the same thing with one resounding voice is a tremendous statement of proof.dnuggs40

How is that proof? They all just happen to agree. A red car in front of me is proof of that red car. A million people saying that red car sucks, is just a million people saying that red car sucks. That is just their opinion, which is not a fact. 

[QUOTE="ChocoKat"][QUOTE="Zeke129"]

I can't help but think smerlus was installing Far Cry one day, and the disk burst apart and ripped through his dog. It would explain the hatred of Far Cry and the dog fixation.

He then watched some videos of the game and came to these rediculous conclusions about the AI. I played Far Cry. LOTS. The AI never does any of those things you mentioned when on the highest difficulty setting. (Except for the night-shooting...) Try playing with the AI balance setting.

It's time to face the facts: Far Cry was a revolutionary shooter. The graphics were fantastic, the AI was fantastic, and the level design was fantastic. The only complaints any sane person can have of the game is the garbage story, and that's it.

 

Deltaforce-

Opinions are not facts. It's YOUR opinion that the graphics were fantastic. It's YOUR opinion that the AI was fantastic. It's YOUR opinion that the level design was fantastic. A sane person would know the difference between the two.

Opinions can be facts. It's a fact that over 11,000 player votes (opinions) on gamespot averaged 9.1 for Far Cry, and a sane person would see that means it's a solid game with good AI. Also, just because someone has a dissenting opinion doesn't mean it has equal merit or that it's correct.

I get the feeling those who put down the AI of Far Cry haven't played enough games to place AI in context, or they had a hard time getting though some of those night levels. While AI can be challenging, like in chess game, it can't remotely act like a human player, with all the unpredictability. What where you expecting the Mercs in Far Cry to do? Run away? Do you have any idea how many games truely have lousy AI, and you're picking on Far Cry?

When I purchused FarCry I was expecting to be blown away. During that time I was running a FX-55 with dual 7800GTX's so, performance was not a problem. The problem I noticed from the start was how disconnected I felt from the game. I don't know if it was the graphics or the interaction. I just felt like an outsider. 

Like I stated in a previous post, it felt like I paid for a tech demo.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]"It's a fact that over 11,000 player votes (opinions) on gamespot averaged 9.1 for Far Cry, and a sane person would see that means it's a solid game with good AI."

Why can't people get this? 11,000+ people avg 9.1, out of all professional reviews it gets a 8.7, with most of it's praise comming from graphics and outstanding AI. Why is this FACT so hard to grasp for people? One reviewer...fine...that doesn't say much, but the entire gaming community all saying the same thing with one resounding voice is a tremendous statement of proof.ChocoKat

How is that proof? They all just happen to agree. A red car in front of me is proof of that red car. A million people saying that red car sucks, is just a million people saying that red car sucks. That is just their opinion, which is not a fact. 

 It is the same reason almost everyone who played Planescape: Torment loved it.  It is the same reason almost everyone who played Baldur's Gate thought it is one of the greatest RPG's of all time.  Everyone saying the same thing in unison is a profound statement and a testament to somethings quality.

[QUOTE="ChocoKat"]

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]"It's a fact that over 11,000 player votes (opinions) on gamespot averaged 9.1 for Far Cry, and a sane person would see that means it's a solid game with good AI."

Why can't people get this? 11,000+ people avg 9.1, out of all professional reviews it gets a 8.7, with most of it's praise comming from graphics and outstanding AI. Why is this FACT so hard to grasp for people? One reviewer...fine...that doesn't say much, but the entire gaming community all saying the same thing with one resounding voice is a tremendous statement of proof.dnuggs40

How is that proof? They all just happen to agree. A red car in front of me is proof of that red car. A million people saying that red car sucks, is just a million people saying that red car sucks. That is just their opinion, which is not a fact. 

 It is the same reason almost everyone who played Planescape: Torment loved it.  It is the same reason almost everyone who played Baldur's Gate thought it is one of the greatest RPG's of all time.  Everyone saying the same thing in unison is a profound statement and a testament to somethings quality.

Well said. Agreed.

Don't you see how stupid that is? Why do they all just "happen" to agree? Hello!?!?!? There it is lol. They all "happen" to agree becuase they are all playing the same great game. It's not just some "coincidence". It's a powerfull statement, wether you admit it or not. Sorry pal...it just is.

 It is the same reason almost everyone who played Planescape: Torment loved it.  It is the same reason almost everyone who played Baldur's Gate thought it is one of the greatest RPG's of all time.  Everyone saying the same thing in unison is a profound statement and a testament to somethings quality.

dnuggs40

10 million people have bought 50 cent cd's... it must be a fact that that's a great cd... same with Britney Spears... Jessica Simpson...

or can it be...that they are opinions and not facts?

more than likely it's the second choice

[QUOTE="Deltaforce-"][QUOTE="ChocoKat"][QUOTE="Zeke129"]

I can't help but think smerlus was installing Far Cry one day, and the disk burst apart and ripped through his dog. It would explain the hatred of Far Cry and the dog fixation.

He then watched some videos of the game and came to these rediculous conclusions about the AI. I played Far Cry. LOTS. The AI never does any of those things you mentioned when on the highest difficulty setting. (Except for the night-shooting...) Try playing with the AI balance setting.

It's time to face the facts: Far Cry was a revolutionary shooter. The graphics were fantastic, the AI was fantastic, and the level design was fantastic. The only complaints any sane person can have of the game is the garbage story, and that's it.

 

ChocoKat

Opinions are not facts. It's YOUR opinion that the graphics were fantastic. It's YOUR opinion that the AI was fantastic. It's YOUR opinion that the level design was fantastic. A sane person would know the difference between the two.

Opinions can be facts. It's a fact that over 11,000 player votes (opinions) on gamespot averaged 9.1 for Far Cry, and a sane person would see that means it's a solid game with good AI. Also, just because someone has a dissenting opinion doesn't mean it has equal merit or that it's correct.

I get the feeling those who put down the AI of Far Cry haven't played enough games to place AI in context, or they had a hard time getting though some of those night levels. While AI can be challenging, like in chess game, it can't remotely act like a human player, with all the unpredictability. What where you expecting the Mercs in Far Cry to do? Run away? Do you have any idea how many games truely have lousy AI, and you're picking on Far Cry?

When I purchused FarCry I was expecting to be blown away. During that time I was running a FX-55 with dual 7800GTX's so, performance was not a problem. The problem I noticed from the start was how disconnected I felt from the game. I don't know if it was the graphics or the interaction. I just felt like an outsider. 

Like I stated in a previous post, it felt like I paid for a tech demo.

So because you felt like an outsider, Far Cry is "crap" as you said earlier? A) Did you play through the whole game to come to that conclusion? The single player game is fairly long, so I don't understand your refering to Far Cry as a "demo" unless you didn't play through the whole thing.

B) Did it occur to you it's possible for a game to be good even if it's not clicking with you? There are games that I didn't really enjoy playing, but I could still be objective enough to see how others could like it. Can't a game be good even if it's not your taste? The answer is yes.    

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

Don't you see how stupid that is? Why do they all just "happen" to agree? Hello!?!?!? There it is lol. They all "happen" to agree becuase they are all playing the same great game. It's not just some "coincidence". It's a powerfull statement, wether you admit it or not. Sorry pal...it just is.

 It is the same reason almost everyone who played Planescape: Torment loved it.  It is the same reason almost everyone who played Baldur's Gate thought it is one of the greatest RPG's of all time.  Everyone saying the same thing in unison is a profound statement and a testament to somethings quality.

smerlus

10 million people have bought 50 cent cd's... it must be a fact that that's a great cd... same with Britney Spears... Jessica Simpson...

or can it be...that they are opinions and not facts?

more than likely it's the second choice

I appreciate you have your own view. But citing music albums that sold well but weren't your taste as a means of diminishing 'the fact' that there is an overwhelming consensus from players and reviewers that Far Cry is a great game, isn't persuasive. The vast majority of music albums that sold well in the last 20 years are generally good to their target listener.

Anything can be picked apart a thousand ways with selective examples and an unwillingness to put things in context. That you call Far Cry's AI "cheap on any setting" seems way out of context. If you compare the AI to other titles around the same period, there is no way it's as bad as you are claiming.

The first time i played FarCry i thought it was aweful. The monster/mutants totally ruined it for me.

 However, i just played through it again and i much prefered it this time.  Sure the monsters are still crappy, but the open ended environments/gameplay are excellent.

However, this doesn't deny the fact that it is very overrated.  

[QUOTE="ChocoKat"]

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]"It's a fact that over 11,000 player votes (opinions) on gamespot averaged 9.1 for Far Cry, and a sane person would see that means it's a solid game with good AI."

Why can't people get this? 11,000+ people avg 9.1, out of all professional reviews it gets a 8.7, with most of it's praise comming from graphics and outstanding AI. Why is this FACT so hard to grasp for people? One reviewer...fine...that doesn't say much, but the entire gaming community all saying the same thing with one resounding voice is a tremendous statement of proof.dnuggs40

How is that proof? They all just happen to agree. A red car in front of me is proof of that red car. A million people saying that red car sucks, is just a million people saying that red car sucks. That is just their opinion, which is not a fact. 

 It is the same reason almost everyone who played Planescape: Torment loved it.  It is the same reason almost everyone who played Baldur's Gate thought it is one of the greatest RPG's of all time.  Everyone saying the same thing in unison is a profound statement and a testament to somethings quality.

Nevertheless Baldur's Gate is still overrated, IMO. :P

I do. The graphics are the only thing good about it. Boring gameplay, story is predictable, and the game is just extremely glitchy. I picked up the game last summer, and I liked it, but looking at it now, it's just an average game. However, I must admit that I adored the lush Jungle environments and the other eye candies.

To sum it all up, I wasted my $20.00. I want to sell the game. How much will I get if I sell it at Gamestop/EB Games?

xTRIGGER092x

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

Don't you see how stupid that is? Why do they all just "happen" to agree? Hello!?!?!? There it is lol. They all "happen" to agree becuase they are all playing the same great game. It's not just some "coincidence". It's a powerfull statement, wether you admit it or not. Sorry pal...it just is.

 It is the same reason almost everyone who played Planescape: Torment loved it.  It is the same reason almost everyone who played Baldur's Gate thought it is one of the greatest RPG's of all time.  Everyone saying the same thing in unison is a profound statement and a testament to somethings quality.

Deltaforce-

10 million people have bought 50 cent cd's... it must be a fact that that's a great cd... same with Britney Spears... Jessica Simpson...

or can it be...that they are opinions and not facts?

more than likely it's the second choice

I appreciate you have your own view. But citing music albums that sold well but weren't your taste as a means of diminishing 'the fact' that there is an overwhelming consensus from players and reviewers that Far Cry is a great game, isn't persuasive. The vast majority of music albums that sold well in the last 20 years are generally good to their target listener.

Anything can be picked apart a thousand ways with selective examples and an unwillingness to put things in context. That you call Far Cry's AI "cheap on any setting" seems way out of context. If you compare the AI to other titles around the same period, there is no way it's as bad as you are claiming.

You guys are so intelligent in this forum... so how many people does it take to turn something into a fact? if i get 10,000 people to say this month is December does it become December? because if you guys get 10,000 people to say a game is great...it's a fact that the game is great.

Fact is defined as a concept which can be proven... I can prove to everyone in this whole world that this month is April... if i show all anybody in the age range of 35-95 Far Cry, the majority of them will see nothing special about it...

so again how is that fact? or are we just using some fan boys twisted definition of fact?

The only non shooter on rails with better ai is Stalker. We could spend plenty of time criticizing its ai as well.

You guys are so intelligent in this forum... so how many people does it take to turn something into a fact? if i get 10,000 people to say this month is December does it become December? because if you guys get 10,000 people to say a game is great...it's a fact that the game is great.

Fact is defined as a concept which can be proven... I can prove to everyone in this whole world that this month is April... if i show all anybody in the age range of 35-95 Far Cry, the majority of them will see nothing special about it...

so again how is that fact? or are we just using some fan boys twisted definition of fact?

 

smerlus

By saying stuff like:

"so how many people does it take to turn something into a fact? if i get 10,000 people to say this month is December does it become December?"

 It is obvious you do not want to give this powerful statement weight by making it sound like something totally perposterous.  C'mon...you really don't see the difference between the two statements?  I think you are intelligent, but it is obvious you are willing to use bullcrap arguments to try and justify yourself...

"if i show all anybody in the age range of 35-95 Far Cry, the majority of them will see nothing special about it..."

Now that is the only statement thus far that has been utter baloney and based on nothing...

"so again how is that fact? or are we just using some fan boys twisted definition of fact?"

Are you just some twisted hater who can't deal with a sure thing? I am not trying to be rude, but it's almost like you are purposely ignoring this very powerful statement just to validate your own personal agenda.

[QUOTE="smerlus"]

You guys are so intelligent in this forum... so how many people does it take to turn something into a fact? if i get 10,000 people to say this month is December does it become December? because if you guys get 10,000 people to say a game is great...it's a fact that the game is great.

Fact is defined as a concept which can be proven... I can prove to everyone in this whole world that this month is April... if i show all anybody in the age range of 35-95 Far Cry, the majority of them will see nothing special about it...

so again how is that fact? or are we just using some fan boys twisted definition of fact?

 

dnuggs40

By saying stuff like:

"so how many people does it take to turn something into a fact? if i get 10,000 people to say this month is December does it become December?"

It is obvious you do not want to give this powerful statement weight by making it sound like something totally perposterous. C'mon...you really don't see the difference between the two statements? I think you are intelligent, but it is obvious you are willing to use bullcrap arguments to try and justify yourself...

"if i show all anybody in the age range of 35-95 Far Cry, the majority of them will see nothing special about it..."

Now that is the only statement thus far that has been utter baloney and based on nothing...

"so again how is that fact? or are we just using some fan boys twisted definition of fact?"

Are you just some twisted hater who can't deal with a sure thing? I am not trying to be rude, but it's almost like you are purposely ignoring this very powerful statement just to validate your own personal agenda.

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Common belief has nothing to do with how good something 'truly' is. Back to the red car analogy, it could be a point in society where red cars were considered 'cool' when people were growing up, and suddenly a huge majority of people are attracted to red cars. Notice that nowadays many older cars were a weird dark red, maroon color that people seem to think is disgusting nowadays, but obviously it was thought as a pretty popular color back then, (although red hasn't seem to become less popular since then :p) The point is, you cannot validate an opinion any more at all by saying a lot of people believe it. The fact is, everyone, even moreso nowadays, grew up watching the same things, playing the same games to an extent, talking the same talk, etc, and there is a popular society in any realm, including computer game nerd people, and there will always be the people that just so happen to not have fallen in with that part of societies current views in that respect, which doesn't make them incorrect. Easily could this game have come out in the future, or the past, and barring the fact that obviously the graphics, among other things would be out of place and would skew the results, it could easily have been considered a plain old FPS with nothing fantastic except graphics to give.

Even closer to home, the wrong people could have considered it crap at the wrong time, and suddenly it could have been one of those games nobody even ever noticed, and to the people that would have considered it a very enjoyable experience, they could be the few that actually found the game and called it another 'diamond in the rough'. You're trying to argue some weird sense of fact through a 'common opinion', but the fact is common opinion is nothing more than the single opinion of a society at a specific time. Hell, in the past it was percieved that even rape and slavery were not a negative thing in the slightest sense, and everyone believe that during that point not too long ago in american society. You can't, facing those facts, say that enough people believing something to be true means anything :p

Plus the game sucks! NyahDracunos

Children were brought up to beleive in discrimination. Children arent brought up to beleive a certain game is good. The rest of your analogys have no pertinence to gaming either. You act as if tropical island shooters were the trend in 2004. silly

Unlike music where nowadays the most talented musicians are underground and talentless pinheads like Britney Spears sell countless cd's, very few great games pass under the radar. Most people who are rating this game have surely played all the top recent games.

[QUOTE="Dracunos"][
Common belief has nothing to do with how good something 'truly' is. Back to the red car analogy, it could be a point in society where red cars were considered 'cool' when people were growing up, and suddenly a huge majority of people are attracted to red cars. Notice that nowadays many older cars were a weird dark red, maroon color that people seem to think is disgusting nowadays, but obviously it was thought as a pretty popular color back then, (although red hasn't seem to become less popular since then :p) The point is, you cannot validate an opinion any more at all by saying a lot of people believe it. The fact is, everyone, even moreso nowadays, grew up watching the same things, playing the same games to an extent, talking the same talk, etc, and there is a popular society in any realm, including computer game nerd people, and there will always be the people that just so happen to not have fallen in with that part of societies current views in that respect, which doesn't make them incorrect. Easily could this game have come out in the future, or the past, and barring the fact that obviously the graphics, among other things would be out of place and would skew the results, it could easily have been considered a plain old FPS with nothing fantastic except graphics to give.

Even closer to home, the wrong people could have considered it crap at the wrong time, and suddenly it could have been one of those games nobody even ever noticed, and to the people that would have considered it a very enjoyable experience, they could be the few that actually found the game and called it another 'diamond in the rough'. You're trying to argue some weird sense of fact through a 'common opinion', but the fact is common opinion is nothing more than the single opinion of a society at a specific time. Hell, in the past it was percieved that even rape and slavery were not a negative thing in the slightest sense, and everyone believe that during that point not too long ago in american society. You can't, facing those facts, say that enough people believing something to be true means anything :p

Plus the game sucks! NyahCranler

Children were brought up to beleive in discrimination. Children arent brought up to beleive a certain game is good. The rest of your analogys have no pertinence to gaming either. You act as if tropical island shooters were the trend in 2004. silly

Unlike music where nowadays the most talented musicians are underground and talentless pinheads like Britney Spears sell countless cd's, very few great games pass under the radar. Most people who are rating this game have surely played all the top recent games.

for the 10,000th time, i'm not saying the game sucks... but you people saying "the game is great and that's a fact" are clearly wrong... common sense and the definition of the word 'fact' clearly show this.

also it is a FACT that the AI is broken in parts, thus it has broken AI.. I'm not saying it totally fails to do what it's supposed to do. In most respects it does things very well.

here's my best and final analogy... Let's say you have a car and it runs fine... gets you from point A to B without any issues. You take it in for an inspection and the man tells you "Well we can't give you the inspection sticker until you fix a few things" Now you may see the car as perfectly fine for it's intended purpose but the real truth is your car is broke and is in need of some minor or major repairs.

This game is the same way.... it's clear most of you think that the AI is the great but there are obvious parts in the game where the AI is downright cheap, or stupid.

I'm not sitting here telling you, you can't enjoy the game, i don't give care if you do or don't. in fact when i reviewed the game I gave it an 8.6 or 7 or something... It's just a review that only says all the good things about a game does an injustice to the game... pretending these errors that the AI makes doesn't exist doesn't mean they dont.

Unlike music where nowadays the most talented musicians are underground and talentless pinheads like Britney Spears sell countless cd's, very few great games pass under the radar. Most people who are rating this game have surely played all the top recent games.

 

Cranler

the general population can't be held as a standard in videogames if it can't be held to a standard in music... unless you believe that mostly everyone that bought Far Cry is a level minded person in their upper 20's that can't be swayed by personal opinion just like every single person that bought Britney Spears is a 9 year old caucasian girl.

i think this thread proves that most people that have played this game are willing to just disregard other people's complaints (both posters and reviewers) if it doesn't agree with their opinion that this game is great and can't be critiqued

[QUOTE="Cranler"]Unlike music where nowadays the most talented musicians are underground and talentless pinheads like Britney Spears sell countless cd's, very few great games pass under the radar. Most people who are rating this game have surely played all the top recent games.

smerlus

the general populous can't be held as a standard in videogames if it can't be held to a standard in music... unless you believe that mostly everyone that bought Far Cry is a level minded person in their upper 20's that can't be swayed by personal opinion just like every single person that bought Britney Spears is a 9 year old caucasian girl.

i think this thread proves that most people that have played this game are willing to just disregard other people's complaints (both posters and reviewers) if it doesn't agree with their opinion that this game is great and can't be critiqued

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="Cranler"]Unlike music where nowadays the most talented musicians are underground and talentless pinheads like Britney Spears sell countless cd's, very few great games pass under the radar. Most people who are rating this game have surely played all the top recent games.

Jack_Summersby

the general populous can't be held as a standard in videogames if it can't be held to a standard in music... unless you believe that mostly everyone that bought Far Cry is a level minded person in their upper 20's that can't be swayed by personal opinion just like every single person that bought Britney Spears is a 9 year old caucasian girl.

i think this thread proves that most people that have played this game are willing to just disregard other people's complaints (both posters and reviewers) if it doesn't agree with their opinion that this game is great and can't be critiqued

[QUOTE="Jack_Summersby"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="Cranler"]Unlike music where nowadays the most talented musicians are underground and talentless pinheads like Britney Spears sell countless cd's, very few great games pass under the radar. Most people who are rating this game have surely played all the top recent games.

 

smerlus

the general populous can't be held as a standard in videogames if it can't be held to a standard in music... unless you believe that mostly everyone that bought Far Cry is a level minded person in their upper 20's that can't be swayed by personal opinion just like every single person that bought Britney Spears is a 9 year old caucasian girl.

i think this thread proves that most people that have played this game are willing to just disregard other people's complaints (both posters and reviewers) if it doesn't agree with their opinion that this game is great and can't be critiqued

Actually populous can also be a noun, actually it may only be a noun. It sounds like an adjective because of the "ous" but I've never heard it used as an adjective. So it is only a noun. "The populous of the city was rampant with rebellion" "The general populous felt concerned about the sudden increase in size of their feet" Plus there is a game called populous. Who makes a game with an adjective for a name?

   Why are we argueing about something that is completely opinion based?  We have no set guidelines, and reviewing is not a exact science.. Why Gamespot even uses % is beyond me..  People all have their tastes of what it takes to qaulify a game to have a certain number more or less.. And yes Smerius did make a point, popularity does not always make it the best.. But then again its hard to even maek a comparison when its entirely opinion based..  

    Though I do disagree with his entire AI rant.. Because no AI did compare at the time with that, so it indeed was the best one out there.    I do think though that it should have been rated a 8-8.9 not a 9 or greater, because in this dang age where internet access is almost expected in every household including broad band multiplayer should be a huge aspect.. Maybe they should have two scores, a single player and multiplayer score?.. Just because its moddability and multiplayer was just about nil.. And many people did not like the whole mutant aspect to it (I didn't mind it, freaking chimps annoyed the hell out of me though)..

[QUOTE="Cranler"]Unlike music where nowadays the most talented musicians are underground and talentless pinheads like Britney Spears sell countless cd's, very few great games pass under the radar. Most people who are rating this game have surely played all the top recent games.

 

smerlus

the general population can't be held as a standard in videogames if it can't be held to a standard in music... unless you believe that mostly everyone that bought Far Cry is a level minded person in their upper 20's that can't be swayed by personal opinion just like every single person that bought Britney Spears is a 9 year old caucasian girl.

i think this thread proves that most people that have played this game are willing to just disregard other people's complaints (both posters and reviewers) if it doesn't agree with their opinion that this game is great and can't be critiqued

Music is so different than a video game. Especially a shooter. You can usually tell right away if a game is good or not. Some rpg's may have to grow on you. If I was asked my opinion after the 1st listen of Radiohead's OK Computer or Metallica's Justice for All I would have said its nothing great. But after a few weeks of listening I loved both albums. There is also alot more personal taste involved with music.

Game ratings are very much based on previous games you've played. Unlike music all decent video games get good exposure so people are very aware of what a quality game is.

Daikatana's user rating at Gamespot is 4.5/10

Chronicles of Riddick is 9/10. This seems right to me.  Games like Gothic 2 and Dark Messiah seem to have more deserving scores from users than gaming sites.

Britney Spears album "Britney" has a 4/5 user rating at Amazon

Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" has a 4.5/5 user rating. The Beatles "Sgt Peppers" has the same rating. These are 2 of the most revolutionary and awesome albums ever. But only rated slightly higher than Britney? What a joke.

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="Cranler"]Unlike music where nowadays the most talented musicians are underground and talentless pinheads like Britney Spears sell countless cd's, very few great games pass under the radar. Most people who are rating this game have surely played all the top recent games.

 

Cranler

the general population can't be held as a standard in videogames if it can't be held to a standard in music... unless you believe that mostly everyone that bought Far Cry is a level minded person in their upper 20's that can't be swayed by personal opinion just like every single person that bought Britney Spears is a 9 year old caucasian girl.

i think this thread proves that most people that have played this game are willing to just disregard other people's complaints (both posters and reviewers) if it doesn't agree with their opinion that this game is great and can't be critiqued

Music is so different than a video game. Especially a shooter. You can usually tell right away if a game is good or not. Some rpg's may have to grow on you. If I was asked my opinion after the 1st listen of Radiohead's OK Computer or Metallica's Justice for All I would have said its nothing great. But after a few weeks of listening I loved both albums. There is also alot more personal taste involved with music.

Game ratings are very much based on previous games you've played. Unlike music all decent video games get good exposure so people are very aware of what a quality game is.

Daikatana's user rating at Gamespot is 4.5/10

Chronicles of Riddick is 9/10. This seems right to me.  Games like Gothic 2 and Dark Messiah seem to have more deserving scores from users than gaming sites.

Britney Spears album "Britney" has a 4/5 user rating at Amazon

Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" has a 4.5/5 user rating. The Beatles "Sgt Peppers" has the same rating. These are 2 of the most revolutionary and awesome albums ever. But only rated slightly higher than Britney? What a joke.

you just compared gamespot's game ratings (which is a dedicated site to games) to amazon's everything rating system... to keep it fair just look at 50 cent's bullet proof getting a 3.5 rating there and a Far Cry getting 4... again, general population's consensus really doesn't mean much... of course when you go to a dedicated site, you'll get a better bunch of reviewsbut you'll still get your 10's and 0's

then again not many people on here are saying Far Cry is a bad game... the point of the argument was that 10,000 people saying something doesn't make it a fact like some people try to believe on here.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Dracunos"][
Common belief has nothing to do with how good something 'truly' is. Back to the red car analogy, it could be a point in society where red cars were considered 'cool' when people were growing up, and suddenly a huge majority of people are attracted to red cars. Notice that nowadays many older cars were a weird dark red, maroon color that people seem to think is disgusting nowadays, but obviously it was thought as a pretty popular color back then, (although red hasn't seem to become less popular since then :p) The point is, you cannot validate an opinion any more at all by saying a lot of people believe it. The fact is, everyone, even moreso nowadays, grew up watching the same things, playing the same games to an extent, talking the same talk, etc, and there is a popular society in any realm, including computer game nerd people, and there will always be the people that just so happen to not have fallen in with that part of societies current views in that respect, which doesn't make them incorrect. Easily could this game have come out in the future, or the past, and barring the fact that obviously the graphics, among other things would be out of place and would skew the results, it could easily have been considered a plain old FPS with nothing fantastic except graphics to give.

Even closer to home, the wrong people could have considered it crap at the wrong time, and suddenly it could have been one of those games nobody even ever noticed, and to the people that would have considered it a very enjoyable experience, they could be the few that actually found the game and called it another 'diamond in the rough'. You're trying to argue some weird sense of fact through a 'common opinion', but the fact is common opinion is nothing more than the single opinion of a society at a specific time. Hell, in the past it was percieved that even rape and slavery were not a negative thing in the slightest sense, and everyone believe that during that point not too long ago in american society. You can't, facing those facts, say that enough people believing something to be true means anything :p

Plus the game sucks! NyahDracunos

Children were brought up to beleive in discrimination. Children arent brought up to beleive a certain game is good. The rest of your analogys have no pertinence to gaming either. You act as if tropical island shooters were the trend in 2004. silly

Unlike music where nowadays the most talented musicians are underground and talentless pinheads like Britney Spears sell countless cd's, very few great games pass under the radar. Most people who are rating this game have surely played all the top recent games.

If Pulp Fiction for instance was released in the 60's it would have been slammed by all the media. In fact the values in those days may have prevented it from being made at all or it would have been watered down quite a bit. Your analogy would work well on something like that but certainly not on peoples opinions of Far Cry.

Actually populous can also be a noun, actually it may only be a noun. It sounds like an adjective because of the "ous" but I've never heard it used as an adjective. So it is only a noun. "The populous of the city was rampant with rebellion" "The general populous felt concerned about the sudden increase in size of their feet" Plus there is a game called populous. Who makes a game with an adjective for a name?

Citan76

According to Merriam-Webster,  the Free Dictionary, and Dictionary.com, populous is an adjective, not a noun.

So apparently someone made a game with an adjective as its title (of course, now that there is a game titled Populous, populous is a noun when referring to that game ;-)

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="Cranler"]Unlike music where nowadays the most talented musicians are underground and talentless pinheads like Britney Spears sell countless cd's, very few great games pass under the radar. Most people who are rating this game have surely played all the top recent games.

 

smerlus

the general population can't be held as a standard in videogames if it can't be held to a standard in music... unless you believe that mostly everyone that bought Far Cry is a level minded person in their upper 20's that can't be swayed by personal opinion just like every single person that bought Britney Spears is a 9 year old caucasian girl.

i think this thread proves that most people that have played this game are willing to just disregard other people's complaints (both posters and reviewers) if it doesn't agree with their opinion that this game is great and can't be critiqued

Music is so different than a video game. Especially a shooter. You can usually tell right away if a game is good or not. Some rpg's may have to grow on you. If I was asked my opinion after the 1st listen of Radiohead's OK Computer or Metallica's Justice for All I would have said its nothing great. But after a few weeks of listening I loved both albums. There is also alot more personal taste involved with music.

Game ratings are very much based on previous games you've played. Unlike music all decent video games get good exposure so people are very aware of what a quality game is.

Daikatana's user rating at Gamespot is 4.5/10

Chronicles of Riddick is 9/10. This seems right to me.  Games like Gothic 2 and Dark Messiah seem to have more deserving scores from users than gaming sites.

Britney Spears album "Britney" has a 4/5 user rating at Amazon

Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" has a 4.5/5 user rating. The Beatles "Sgt Peppers" has the same rating. These are 2 of the most revolutionary and awesome albums ever. But only rated slightly higher than Britney? What a joke.

you just compared gamespot's game ratings (which is a dedicated site to games) to amazon's everything rating system... to keep it fair just look at 50 cent's bullet proof getting a 3.5 rating there and a Far Cry getting 4... again, general population's consensus really doesn't mean much... of course when you go to a dedicated site, you'll get a better bunch of reviewsbut you'll still get your 10's and 0's

then again not many people on here are saying Far Cry is a bad game... the point of the argument was that 10,000 people saying something doesn't make it a fact like some people try to believe on here.

50 Cent for xbox had 16 customer reviews. You really thinks thats enough? Plus the good reviews were probably by 50cent fans. Point me to a music site that has user reviews for cd's.

[QUOTE="Citan76"]

Actually populous can also be a noun, actually it may only be a noun. It sounds like an adjective because of the "ous" but I've never heard it used as an adjective. So it is only a noun. "The populous of the city was rampant with rebellion" "The general populous felt concerned about the sudden increase in size of their feet" Plus there is a game called populous. Who makes a game with an adjective for a name?

Jack_Summersby

According to Merriam-Webster,  the Free Dictionary, and Dictionary.com, populous is an adjective, not a noun.

So apparently someone made a game with an adjective as its title (of course, now that there is a game titled Populous, populous is a noun when referring to that game ;-)

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="Cranler"]Unlike music where nowadays the most talented musicians are underground and talentless pinheads like Britney Spears sell countless cd's, very few great games pass under the radar. Most people who are rating this game have surely played all the top recent games.

 

Cranler

the general population can't be held as a standard in videogames if it can't be held to a standard in music... unless you believe that mostly everyone that bought Far Cry is a level minded person in their upper 20's that can't be swayed by personal opinion just like every single person that bought Britney Spears is a 9 year old caucasian girl.

i think this thread proves that most people that have played this game are willing to just disregard other people's complaints (both posters and reviewers) if it doesn't agree with their opinion that this game is great and can't be critiqued

Music is so different than a video game. Especially a shooter. You can usually tell right away if a game is good or not. Some rpg's may have to grow on you. If I was asked my opinion after the 1st listen of Radiohead's OK Computer or Metallica's Justice for All I would have said its nothing great. But after a few weeks of listening I loved both albums. There is also alot more personal taste involved with music.

Game ratings are very much based on previous games you've played. Unlike music all decent video games get good exposure so people are very aware of what a quality game is.

Wow, I can't believe I just read this.
Opinion about music is different than games?? You can't really be that daft. Seriously.
You say, music can be appreciated after listening to it for a few weeks and RPG's may have to grow on you (this goes for every game, not just RPG's). You also state that 'one can tell right away if a game is good or not. Something 'one can do with music aswell. Where, pray tell, is the difference here??

Also, you say, games are very much based on previous games you've played. Guess what? Same goes for music!! How else do you think personal taste develops in the first place!?

The only things you can argue objectively about are the technical sides of things. For instance which engine performs better than another. You can objectively show it to be true. Not liking the engine would be opinion!

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="Cranler"]Unlike music where nowadays the most talented musicians are underground and talentless pinheads like Britney Spears sell countless cd's, very few great games pass under the radar. Most people who are rating this game have surely played all the top recent games.

 

sodiumpentathol

the general population can't be held as a standard in videogames if it can't be held to a standard in music... unless you believe that mostly everyone that bought Far Cry is a level minded person in their upper 20's that can't be swayed by personal opinion just like every single person that bought Britney Spears is a 9 year old caucasian girl.

i think this thread proves that most people that have played this game are willing to just disregard other people's complaints (both posters and reviewers) if it doesn't agree with their opinion that this game is great and can't be critiqued

Music is so different than a video game. Especially a shooter. You can usually tell right away if a game is good or not. Some rpg's may have to grow on you. If I was asked my opinion after the 1st listen of Radiohead's OK Computer or Metallica's Justice for All I would have said its nothing great. But after a few weeks of listening I loved both albums. There is also alot more personal taste involved with music.

Game ratings are very much based on previous games you've played. Unlike music all decent video games get good exposure so people are very aware of what a quality game is.

Wow, I can't believe I just read this.
Opinion about music is different than games?? You can't really be that daft. Seriously.
You say, music can be appreciated after listening to it for a few weeks and RPG's may have to grow on you (this goes for every game, not just RPG's). You also state that 'one can tell right away if a game is good or not. Something 'one can do with music aswell. Where, pray tell, is the difference here??

Also, you say, games are very much based on previous games you've played. Guess what? Same goes for music!! How else do you think personal taste develops in the first place!?

The only things you can argue objectively about are the technical sides of things. For instance which engine performs better than another. You can objectively show it to be true. Not liking the engine would be opinion!

The game that took the longest for me to like was Gothic. Took an hour. A song you didnt enjoy at first but ended up liking is very common, not as common with games. Some songs are very catchy some arent. One listen to a song is definately not the same as 1 playthrough of a game.

Came across this, read the first sentence because it really hits the nail on the head about how a song "comes" to you. http://www.planetbollywood.com/Music/pukar.html

Do I need to play any game a few times through before giving it a decent review?

Its much harder to be a music aficionado than a game aficionado since there are many more albums out there than games and you could easily miss alot of great music. Many people who loved the music of the 50's dont like the 60's music and so on. I bet alot of these Britney reviewers have never even heard of Pink Floyd for example or much of the pop music from the 80's and probably think music gets better with time. I'm sure most of Farcry reviewers are likely to have played all the best shooters which makes these reviews much more credible. I've liked every shooter that got good reviews, cant say the same for album reviews.

Here are some facts on Farcry upon release.

Probably one of the best if not the best ai.

Best graphics.

Best physics.

Much larger levels than most shooters.

Multiple paths.

Non scripted ai so each reload plays out different.

You can use vehicles if you want but only are forced to a few times.

Plethora of difficulty options to make it extremely easily or incredibly difficult.

Majority of the voice acting is terrible.

Much of the dialogue is bad but many find it funny.

Unoriginal story.

The last 3 arent a big deal since its a game and not a book or movie. These aspects will become more important when gameplay and graphics evolution start slowing down. This and the lack of quick save are the reason it deserves a score in the low 9's and not the high.

All these facts make it a great game.

50 Cent for xbox had 16 customer reviews. You really thinks thats enough? Plus the good reviews were probably by 50cent fans. Point me to a music site that has user reviews for cd's.Cranler

 again... to debate effectively, we have to lay down some ground rules... so far all throughout this thread i've brought up counter arguements but none of them are valid even if they deal with the exact same things.

 when people post reviews saying the ai is perfect...that's good. when I post reviews saying the AI has flaws in it... that doesn't mean anything. when people make analogies about this game... those are good. when i do, my anaolgies are off base...etc

 where's the magic number when a vote becomes popular? it's not 16... that's too low... it's not 10,000,000 with my britney spears comparison because that's just too high and because fanatics that go crazy over music are different and vote high on it are night and day different than the fanatics that will vote 10 on a game just because they like it and not use any kind of reasoning.

when the more possible truth is that they are very alike in most respects

The game that took the longest for me to like was Gothic. Took an hour. A song you didnt enjoy at first but ended up liking is very common, not as common with games. Some songs are very catchy some arent. One listen to a song is definately not the same as 1 playthrough of a game.

Came across this, read the first sentence because it really hits the nail on the head about how a song "comes" to you. http://www.planetbollywood.com/Music/pukar.html

Do I need to play any game a few times through before giving it a decent review?

Its much harder to be a music aficionado than a game aficionado since there are many more albums out there than games and you could easily miss alot of great music. Many people who loved the music of the 50's dont like the 60's music and so on. I bet alot of these Britney reviewers have never even heard of Pink Floyd for example or much of the pop music from the 80's and probably think music gets better with time. I'm sure most of Farcry reviewers are likely to have played all the best shooters which makes these reviews much more credible. I've liked every shooter that got good reviews, cant say the same for album reviews.

Here are some facts on Farcry upon release.

Probably one of the best if not the best ai.

Best graphics.

Best physics.

Much larger levels than most shooters.

Multiple paths.

Non scripted ai so each reload plays out different.

You can use vehicles if you want but only are forced to a few times.

Plethora of difficulty options to make it extremely easily or incredibly difficult.

Majority of the voice acting is terrible.

Much of the dialogue is bad but many find it funny.

Unoriginal story.

The last 3 arent a big deal since its a game and not a book or movie. These aspects will become more important when gameplay and graphics evolution start slowing down. This and the lack of quick save are the reason it deserves a score in the low 9's and not the high.

All these facts make it a great game.

 

Cranler

actually a lot of those aren't facts...

once again facts are undisputable... I can prove to everyone in the world that it is a fact Steel is stronger than butter...can you show Far Cry to everyone and have everyone say that it has the best graphics for that time period?

no

does everyone like shooters with large levels? no, so how can that be used to be a plus in a game?

and actually since going into this whole AI debate, I've found plenty of sources that suggest Far Cry's AI isn't as dynamic as everyone thinks... Choppers have only certain scripted points that they drop off people, certain mercs only respond once you cross a certain threshold or activate certain things, one site even looked at the script and found out that if the AI approaches certain objects, they are forced to take cover behind them instead of  dynamically "choosing" to.

conversly that pretty much makes the scripting pretty impressive because for some of these situations, you would never be able to tell the difference between static and dynamic. you might with the drop off points, or the fact that you ahve to open some doors to trigger the mercs aggression... but anyways... that's a different story.

Why are we argueing about something that is completely opinion based? We have no set guidelines, and reviewing is not a exact science.. Why Gamespot even uses % is beyond me.. People all have their tastes of what it takes to qaulify a game to have a certain number more or less.. And yes Smerius did make a point, popularity does not always make it the best.. But then again its hard to even maek a comparison when its entirely opinion based..

sSubZerOo

lol @ this.

What point would there be in forums if we didn't argue based on our opinions? What use would there be in posting a thread 'arguing' that "FarCry is an FPS"? There's no discussion to be had in stating pure facts, and forums are for discussion.

Reading about someone else's opinion on a game, and a corresponding % rating that compares it to other similar games, is all that we have to go on.

It happens all the time on these forums, and it kills me when people slam other people's posts by saying something stupid like "omg it's only your opinion", because that's the whole point of forums. If you aren't interested in other people's opinions, don't bother reading forums, kthx. 

 Anyways, back to FarCry, I also thought it was a great game. Especially playing it on the highest difficulty where one shot from the very accurate enemies could kill you, you really had to play it as carefully as possible and it gave you a very strong sense of realism (as opposed to most FPS games' unrealistic approach of Rambo'ing through the entire game eating bullets for lunch). Definitely not an overrated game.