Does anyone else feel annoyed about having to have a Origin account.....

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]What does it matter? Even if you buy physical copy, you have to bypass the DRM? This isn't the pre-2005 any more. Can't remember a game besides Crysis in 2007 that didn't require steam, EADM, or Uplay but it still had securom. I prefer physical copies just so I could fill up the bookcase, it's nice, and I am a collector. Argue it however you want but that's the intended purpose it serves for me. DRM is there no matter what if you are living in the same dimension.Lulu_Lulu

They are trying to do that.  That's why DRM exists duh.  Pirates still manage to get around it but trust me it's a lot harder to crack games now then it was 20 years ago.

It's just a double edged sword of the openess of the PC platform. Battlenet, Steam, Origin, Uplay, GFWL, Rockstar Social Club, etc. All with their own logins.

If it annoys you get a console.

It's just a double edged sword of the openess of the PC platform. Battlenet, Steam, Origin, Uplay, GFWL, Rockstar Social Club, etc. All with their own logins.

If it annoys you get a console.

whiskeystrike

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It's just a double edged sword of the openess of the PC platform. Battlenet, Steam, Origin, Uplay, GFWL, Rockstar Social Club, etc. All with their own logins.

If it annoys you get a console.

Lulu_Lulu

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

It's just a double edged sword of the openess of the PC platform. Battlenet, Steam, Origin, Uplay, GFWL, Rockstar Social Club, etc. All with their own logins.

If it annoys you get a console.

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"] I did. Imagine my rage when I popped open my very 1st Xbox game DiRT 3 and was greeted by a key that needed to be activated online if I wanted to use all the cars and play online. I think I'l try the Wii U at some point.Lulu_Lulu

You're the sucker if you go to Piracy. You'll just be adding to the DRM Saga, not helping it.

I still don't get why so many people have issues with DRM.  I get that it's annoying sometimes, especially when u can't play ur games, but miss out on some awesome titles because the developers want some security on their product?  really?  first world problems I guess...

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]What does it matter? Even if you buy physical copy, you have to bypass the DRM? This isn't the pre-2005 any more. Can't remember a game besides Crysis in 2007 that didn't require steam, EADM, or Uplay but it still had securom. I prefer physical copies just so I could fill up the bookcase, it's nice, and I am a collector. Argue it however you want but that's the intended purpose it serves for me. DRM is there no matter what if you are living in the same dimension.Lulu_Lulu

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"][QUOTE="Elann2008"]What does it matter? Even if you buy physical copy, you have to bypass the DRM? This isn't the pre-2005 any more. Can't remember a game besides Crysis in 2007 that didn't require steam, EADM, or Uplay but it still had securom. I prefer physical copies just so I could fill up the bookcase, it's nice, and I am a collector. Argue it however you want but that's the intended purpose it serves for me. DRM is there no matter what if you are living in the same dimension.Elann2008

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Wii U has DRM as well. Like i said before, embrace the times and enjoy the games or keep complaining and go read a book.FelipeInside

You're the sucker if you go to Piracy. You'll just be adding to the DRM Saga, not helping it.

I still don't get why so many people have issues with DRM.  I get that it's annoying sometimes, especially when u can't play ur games, but miss out on some awesome titles because the developers want some security on their product?  really?  first world problems I guess...

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[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"] so what ? We just give up and accept this sh!t ? How about they quit screwing us over and punish the pirates for once. Seriously, this is Pathetic ! Too lazy/addicted to stand up for whats right ?FelipeInside

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"][QUOTE="Elann2008"]What does it matter? Even if you buy physical copy, you have to bypass the DRM? This isn't the pre-2005 any more. Can't remember a game besides Crysis in 2007 that didn't require steam, EADM, or Uplay but it still had securom. I prefer physical copies just so I could fill up the bookcase, it's nice, and I am a collector. Argue it however you want but that's the intended purpose it serves for me. DRM is there no matter what if you are living in the same dimension.Elann2008

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Elann2008"] What rights? Lol you and many others are so entitled. They are not breaking the law. Quit being presumptuous. Just because you talk really loud on a gaming forum doesn't mean YOU are standing up for anything either. Another case of internet dementia.Lulu_Lulu

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"] so what ? We just give up and accept this sh!t ? How about they quit screwing us over and punish the pirates for once. Seriously, this is Pathetic ! Too lazy/addicted to stand up for whats right ?Lulu_Lulu

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"][QUOTE="Elann2008"] What rights? Lol you and many others are so entitled. They are not breaking the law. Quit being presumptuous. Just because you talk really loud on a gaming forum doesn't mean YOU are standing up for anything either. Another case of internet dementia.FelipeInside

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"][QUOTE="Elann2008"]What does it matter? Even if you buy physical copy, you have to bypass the DRM? This isn't the pre-2005 any more. Can't remember a game besides Crysis in 2007 that didn't require steam, EADM, or Uplay but it still had securom. I prefer physical copies just so I could fill up the bookcase, it's nice, and I am a collector. Argue it however you want but that's the intended purpose it serves for me. DRM is there no matter what if you are living in the same dimension.FelipeInside

They are trying to do that.  That's why DRM exists duh.  Pirates still manage to get around it but trust me it's a lot harder to crack games now then it was 20 years ago.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"] its DRM, if they had any faith in those "benefits" then they would NOT demand you use their client. Its like being forced to watch your favourite movie, it makes a huge difference even if you tell yourself "I was planning on watching it anyway."Lulu_Lulu

When you do the groceries, do you demand that the groceries be available outside the store?  (I could keep going but u get the point, or do you?)

Let me know what games you play with absolutely NO DRM.

I'm gonna be nice to lulu's intelligence and not insult it by thinking he actually believes everything he types.

I'm gonna be nice to lulu's intelligence and not insult it by thinking he actually believes everything he types.

wis3boi

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I'm gonna be nice to lulu's intelligence and not insult it by thinking he actually believes everything he types.

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] So when you go to the cinema to watch a new release, you demand to NOT watch it inside the cinema...?FelipeInside

When you do the groceries, do you demand that the groceries be available outside the store?  (I could keep going but u get the point, or do you?)

Let me know what games you play with absolutely NO DRM.

back when I had my sweet game machine I didn't play any of my 40 games with any DRM what so ever, I purchased legit copies and cracked them, I ain't no thief but I aint no sucker either. Plus 5 of my games were completely DRM free. :) See ? I'm pro-active.

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[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"] You'l have to use a different anology, I've been to the cinema only twice in my life and neither time was my choice to go I was 11 the last time I went.Lulu_Lulu

When you do the groceries, do you demand that the groceries be available outside the store?  (I could keep going but u get the point, or do you?)

Let me know what games you play with absolutely NO DRM.

back when I had my sweet game machine I didn't play any of my 40 games with any DRM what so ever, I purchased legit copies and cracked them, I ain't no thief but I aint no sucker either. Plus 5 of my games were completely DRM free. :) See ? I'm pro-active.

I'm gonna be nice to lulu's intelligence and not insult it by thinking he actually believes everything he types.

wis3boi

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

When you do the groceries, do you demand that the groceries be available outside the store?  (I could keep going but u get the point, or do you?)

Let me know what games you play with absolutely NO DRM.

FelipeInside

back when I had my sweet game machine I didn't play any of my 40 games with any DRM what so ever, I purchased legit copies and cracked them, I ain't no thief but I aint no sucker either. Plus 5 of my games were completely DRM free. :) See ? I'm pro-active.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"] why would I get my groceries outside ? Do you have any idea how hot it gets down here ?

back when I had my sweet game machine I didn't play any of my 40 games with any DRM what so ever, I purchased legit copies and cracked them, I ain't no thief but I aint no sucker either. Plus 5 of my games were completely DRM free. :) See ? I'm pro-active.

Lulu_Lulu

 - How are they dumping their problems on us? Have u ever tried to patch a FIFA or Sims game? Compare that to the autopatch feature in Origin. World of difference.

FelipeInside

i think you're missing the big picture here. ea had a problem with steam, their solution was to make their "own steam". do you suppose it once crossed their mind what was best for the gamer here? even drm through these clients is the publisher's problem of not wanting to trust you that you bought their game. so you have to prove it, every single time you start it up and 24 hours a day if they could make you. that's not very polite, is it? but you are eating it up.

and you are really going with an "easy patching"-angle now? i don't play either of those games but i have patched many games, all you do is check your version number, find the right file and run it, repeat until you end up with the latest version. we might also note here that if you release a complete product it really shouldn't need any complicated patching in the first place. but lets forget that for now, how about you make a simple patching tool and embed it in the game? pretending origin is the one and only solution for patching problems is going overboard a little.

 - And you REALLY have problems finding out where to get games or what client they use? How the hell do you cross a street without getting hit?

FelipeInside

you didn't answer my question. and sounds like you didn't even understand my point. again you miss the big picture. think of a world where every publisher starts their own service, this is where it seems to be going. so aside from steam, gog, amazon, green man gaming (not sure they are still around), and whoever else that thinks they are clever, offer you the games you want with deals you can't refuse. now think of how that will impact your gaming library. here's a hint; it will be scattered all over the internet. log in here for this, log in there for that with only the publisher as a hint of where you need to log in. if you enjoy going down that road, then that's fine by me. i will not.

- But if u have so many issues with Origin that's fine dude, u miss out on some great titles because you have trouble coming to grips with the present state of gaming.

FelipeInside

i never said i have so many issues with origin. i started by saying i will not use it and explained why. i don't feel like i am missing out on anything and i also don't feel troubled with coming to grips with anything. from my point of view you are the troubled one, jumping through hoops at the industrie's command just to play your precious game. if you would stick to just that then that would be fine but you're also defending it and trying to make people who choose to do things differently look like fools.

^^

1. I play the games offered by EA cause it doesn't affect me as much as you. I can choose from the EA Library yet you don't want to....and u think Im the trouble one? Good logic there...

2. I would prefer if there wasn't ANY clients, but that's the way it is now. Difference is that i accept the future and you don't, resulting in me playing awesome games and you don't.

3. What's the difference in having games on different online libraries compared to having them on ur cupboard or house scattered around? Again if u have so many issues with different clients go play consoles. I really cant grasp how anyone with the ability to speak could have such issues.

4. And trust me, ur the one not getting the big picture here. Online distribution is the state of gaming now, and its not all bad like u want people to think it is. Either embrace and enjoy gaming or go cry in the corner and miss out. 10 years down the track you'll regret u didn't play some titles. Let me know the next completely drm free game u play next....

5. Conclusion: u don't want to use Origin, and miss out on gaming which is ur hobby (that's why ur on a gaming site), then fine....all the power to you.  But at least bring some valid reasoning to it, cause u ain't making a difference you know...

My main problem wirth Origin is the fact it's a really shit and unstable platform that doesn't benefit me in any way and actually detracts from me wanting to play anything on it.

hotstonez

Oh, I do have one more complaint about Origin. They force you to use an uppercase letter in you password, but then they don't allow any other characters besides letters and numbers. It's like they're saying, we want your password to be kinda secure, but not TOO secure. It makes no sense...superclocked

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[QUOTE="BLKR4330"]

i don't feel annoyed but there is no way i'm going to make one. and comparing it to steam is not a good comparison. steam used to sell ea games but ea just saw their success and decided it wanted in on that action. i'm not going to follow whatever publisher in whatever plan they come up with that only helps themself get ahead. isn't there a u-play now too for ubisoft games? so yeah, am i supposed to memorize who publishes which game so that i will know in which game library i can find it when i want to play it?

BLKR4330

So by your opinion Valve is the only developer allowed to use a client to push forward their games?

And your second line of "memorize who publishes which games" is the funniest thing I've read all week.

you're welcome, sorry to hear you're having such a slow week but i'll gladly do my part to make it better.

the pattern i see is valve trying to sell games, all games. it wants me to install a client, gives me some extra services, fine by me. publishers see steam's success, they want a bigger cut or they want the advantages of having a client installed (maybe both, i don't know), their client is born, they refuse other services their games (unless it goes through their client), only sell their own games,

i see a difference. steam is trying to offer a digital download service (gog being an even better example), ea and ubisoft are trying to maximize control (read profit) on their own games. the first in my view being a give and take, the latter just a take. do you think this will stop at ea and ubisoft? how many game libraries have you got already? have you never wanted to install a game and couldn't find it until you remembered you need to log in at such and such site first? i have. i don't know why you seem to feel you need to defend these clients. they serve you no purpose and require you to make unnecessary extra steps to play a game.

^^

1. I play the games offered by EA cause it doesn't affect me as much as you. I can choose from the EA Library yet you don't want to....and u think Im the trouble one? Good logic there...

2. I would prefer if there wasn't ANY clients, but that's the way it is now. Difference is that i accept the future and you don't, resulting in me playing awesome games and you don't.

3. What's the difference in having games on different online libraries compared to having them on ur cupboard or house scattered around? Again if u have so many issues with different clients go play consoles. I really cant grasp how anyone with the ability to speak could have such issues.

4. And trust me, ur the one not getting the big picture here. Online distribution is the state of gaming now, and its not all bad like u want people to think it is. Either embrace and enjoy gaming or go cry in the corner and miss out. 10 years down the track you'll regret u didn't play some titles. Let me know the next completely drm free game u play next....

5. Conclusion: u don't want to use Origin, and miss out on gaming which is ur hobby (that's why ur on a gaming site), then fine....all the power to you.  But at least bring some valid reasoning to it, cause u ain't making a difference you know...

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="superclocked"]Oh, I do have one more complaint about Origin. They force you to use an uppercase letter in you password, but then they don't allow any other characters besides letters and numbers. It's like they're saying, we want your password to be kinda secure, but not TOO secure. It makes no sense...LongZhiZi

[QUOTE="BLKR4330"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

So by your opinion Valve is the only developer allowed to use a client to push forward their games?

And your second line of "memorize who publishes which games" is the funniest thing I've read all week.

LongZhiZi

you're welcome, sorry to hear you're having such a slow week but i'll gladly do my part to make it better.

the pattern i see is valve trying to sell games, all games. it wants me to install a client, gives me some extra services, fine by me. publishers see steam's success, they want a bigger cut or they want the advantages of having a client installed (maybe both, i don't know), their client is born, they refuse other services their games (unless it goes through their client), only sell their own games,

i see a difference. steam is trying to offer a digital download service (gog being an even better example), ea and ubisoft are trying to maximize control (read profit) on their own games. the first in my view being a give and take, the latter just a take. do you think this will stop at ea and ubisoft? how many game libraries have you got already? have you never wanted to install a game and couldn't find it until you remembered you need to log in at such and such site first? i have. i don't know why you seem to feel you need to defend these clients. they serve you no purpose and require you to make unnecessary extra steps to play a game.

like i said, i don't use origin, so i stand corrected. i don't see how this undermines my point though. are these origin only games? because my real issue was more directed at ea for not making their games available through steam (for example) anymore and thus forcing you to get a service that you technically already have, one that most of us already invested time and money in. well if you want to play the games in question of course.

i suppose you have a point with regards to steam for doing exactly the same. fact of the matter however is that they happened to be the first. everyone was using it and happily doing so, but now this has been interrupted. it has been interrupted for reasons that are not our problem. as i've been trying to argue, i think this is not for the good of the gamer, i can relate to the annoyance of the tc and have in a similar line of thought decided that i will not use these other clients.

1. I play the games offered by EA cause it doesn't affect me as much as you. I can choose from the EA Library yet you don't want to....and u think Im the trouble one? Good logic there...

2. I would prefer if there wasn't ANY clients, but that's the way it is now. Difference is that i accept the future and you don't, resulting in me playing awesome games and you don't.

3. What's the difference in having games on different online libraries compared to having them on ur cupboard or house scattered around? Again if u have so many issues with different clients go play consoles. I really cant grasp how anyone with the ability to speak could have such issues.

4. And trust me, ur the one not getting the big picture here. Online distribution is the state of gaming now, and its not all bad like u want people to think it is. Either embrace and enjoy gaming or go cry in the corner and miss out. 10 years down the track you'll regret u didn't play some titles. Let me know the next completely drm free game u play next....

5. Conclusion: u don't want to use Origin, and miss out on gaming which is ur hobby (that's why ur on a gaming site), then fine....all the power to you.  But at least bring some valid reasoning to it, cause u ain't making a difference you know...

FelipeInside

1. my logic is that i know what i want and i know what it's worth to me to get it. your logic sounds like it's somewhere along the lines of i want my game and i don't really care as long as i have my game. i suppose i can't claim one to be better than the other but after hearing yours and carefully appraising it, i choose to stick with mine.

2. accept the future? you can accept what is today but you should strife to make the future. if you are just going to run along with every publisher that only does what is best for himself then yes, it will be the future.

well i'm glad you're having a great time with those games. maybe i would too. i suspect we don't have the same taste in games but i play one awesome game after another too.

3. from your own example; the games in my house are in a box. when i want to play one all i do is reach down, take it out and install it. you can't grasp that this is more neat and accessible as what you suggested earlier with all your short cuts, clients and different online accounts?

4. i never said i was against online distribution and i don't want anybody to think anything, i hold a different stance against what's happening, you questioned it and i tried to explain. and, again, i do not feel like i am missing out. it's not like every great game is only available on origin. i am also not one for regrets and regretting to not have played a game 10 years from now, well that's really not going to happen, so please don't worry about me.

5. so because you fail to grasp it, which you just stated, it is invalid? well okay.

and i think we can congratulate each other on how much each of us is making a difference here ;)

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

1. I play the games offered by EA cause it doesn't affect me as much as you. I can choose from the EA Library yet you don't want to....and u think Im the trouble one? Good logic there...

2. I would prefer if there wasn't ANY clients, but that's the way it is now. Difference is that i accept the future and you don't, resulting in me playing awesome games and you don't.

3. What's the difference in having games on different online libraries compared to having them on ur cupboard or house scattered around? Again if u have so many issues with different clients go play consoles. I really cant grasp how anyone with the ability to speak could have such issues.

4. And trust me, ur the one not getting the big picture here. Online distribution is the state of gaming now, and its not all bad like u want people to think it is. Either embrace and enjoy gaming or go cry in the corner and miss out. 10 years down the track you'll regret u didn't play some titles. Let me know the next completely drm free game u play next....

5. Conclusion: u don't want to use Origin, and miss out on gaming which is ur hobby (that's why ur on a gaming site), then fine....all the power to you.  But at least bring some valid reasoning to it, cause u ain't making a difference you know...

BLKR4330

1. my logic is that i know what i want and i know what it's worth to me to get it. your logic sounds like it's somewhere along the lines of i want my game and i don't really care as long as i have my game. i suppose i can't claim one to be better than the other but after hearing yours and carefully appraising it, i choose to stick with mine.  My logic is that I use Steam and Origin since they are both online distribution methods for titles.  Your logic is that you use Steam and not Origin for no valid reason.  They both do the same thing, they are both DRM.

2. accept the future? you can accept what is today but you should strife to make the future. if you are just going to run along with every publisher that only does what is best for himself then yes, it will be the future.  LOL, show me a publisher that doesn't do what's best for them.  Welcome to Business dude.

well i'm glad you're having a great time with those games. maybe i would too. i suspect we don't have the same taste in games but i play one awesome game after another too. So all the games u play don't have DRM?

3. from your own example; the games in my house are in a box. when i want to play one all i do is reach down, take it out and install it. you can't grasp that this is more neat and accessible as what you suggested earlier with all your short cuts, clients and different online accounts?  I have boxed games in my house, I grab them, install them and play them.  I have games I've purchased online, I install them, and play them.  No difference.  You still seem to have problems grasping how to use the clients.

4. i never said i was against online distribution and i don't want anybody to think anything, i hold a different stance against what's happening, you questioned it and i tried to explain. and, again, i do not feel like i am missing out. it's not like every great game is only available on origin. i am also not one for regrets and regretting to not have played a game 10 years from now, well that's really not going to happen, so please don't worry about me. See point 1.  You'll use some DD clients but not other, double standards for no valid reasoning. Have u ever even used Origin?  Cause if u haven't, why are u even commenting on it?

5. so because you fail to grasp it, which you just stated, it is invalid? well okay.

and i think we can congratulate each other on how much each of us is making a difference here ;) No one is making a difference. Only difference I see is that I have a bigger variety of choice with gaming libraries.

[QUOTE="BLKR4330"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

1. I play the games offered by EA cause it doesn't affect me as much as you. I can choose from the EA Library yet you don't want to....and u think Im the trouble one? Good logic there...

2. I would prefer if there wasn't ANY clients, but that's the way it is now. Difference is that i accept the future and you don't, resulting in me playing awesome games and you don't.

3. What's the difference in having games on different online libraries compared to having them on ur cupboard or house scattered around? Again if u have so many issues with different clients go play consoles. I really cant grasp how anyone with the ability to speak could have such issues.

4. And trust me, ur the one not getting the big picture here. Online distribution is the state of gaming now, and its not all bad like u want people to think it is. Either embrace and enjoy gaming or go cry in the corner and miss out. 10 years down the track you'll regret u didn't play some titles. Let me know the next completely drm free game u play next....

5. Conclusion: u don't want to use Origin, and miss out on gaming which is ur hobby (that's why ur on a gaming site), then fine....all the power to you.  But at least bring some valid reasoning to it, cause u ain't making a difference you know...

FelipeInside

1. my logic is that i know what i want and i know what it's worth to me to get it. your logic sounds like it's somewhere along the lines of i want my game and i don't really care as long as i have my game. i suppose i can't claim one to be better than the other but after hearing yours and carefully appraising it, i choose to stick with mine.  My logic is that I use Steam and Origin since they are both online distribution methods for titles.  Your logic is that you use Steam and not Origin for no valid reason.  They both do the same thing, they are both DRM.

2. accept the future? you can accept what is today but you should strife to make the future. if you are just going to run along with every publisher that only does what is best for himself then yes, it will be the future.  LOL, show me a publisher that doesn't do what's best for them.  Welcome to Business dude.

well i'm glad you're having a great time with those games. maybe i would too. i suspect we don't have the same taste in games but i play one awesome game after another too. So all the games u play don't have DRM?

3. from your own example; the games in my house are in a box. when i want to play one all i do is reach down, take it out and install it. you can't grasp that this is more neat and accessible as what you suggested earlier with all your short cuts, clients and different online accounts?  I have boxed games in my house, I grab them, install them and play them.  I have games I've purchased online, I install them, and play them.  No difference.  You still seem to have problems grasping how to use the clients.

4. i never said i was against online distribution and i don't want anybody to think anything, i hold a different stance against what's happening, you questioned it and i tried to explain. and, again, i do not feel like i am missing out. it's not like every great game is only available on origin. i am also not one for regrets and regretting to not have played a game 10 years from now, well that's really not going to happen, so please don't worry about me. See point 1.  You'll use some DD clients but not other, double standards for no valid reasoning. Have u ever even used Origin?  Cause if u haven't, why are u even commenting on it?

5. so because you fail to grasp it, which you just stated, it is invalid? well okay.

and i think we can congratulate each other on how much each of us is making a difference here ;) No one is making a difference. Only difference I see is that I have a bigger variety of choice with gaming libraries.

Yes, and I also resent Uplay. I want to be able to use Big Picture with all my games when I play them on my TV, but sadly the Origin stuff and even the Steam stuff with UPlay require mouse/keyboard.

Get over it. It will never change. EA needs to try and make their money.