Elder Scrolls Online will not have raids...

I don't know what they have planned for you to do after max lvl or how they plan on keeping people playing but imo no raiding does make me a bit concerned. I never have been a huge raider myself but it's good to know that if I get the time there is always that option.

I think no raids might turn some off but who knows...

This is where I got it btw...

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/380038/There-are-no-raids-can-you-live-with-that.html

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Ok so I was just listening to an interview with the head dev and he was saying that end-game is not raiding but dungeons. However the dungeons change after max lvl.mobs are completely different doors and areas open up that were not there before and stuff like that. Basically the story continues at end game. Also he said that IF the community really starts pushing for raids then they will do whats needed to make them happy.

Awesome. Large raids suck and have always been a relatively stupid concept - and in this case they would be a particularly stupid one.KHAndAnime

Well I'm ok with no raids IF there are other things to do. If it's going to be another GW2 then I'll pass....

This sounds good to me.  I've never liked raids.   This is actually the first bit of news about this game that's even registered on my radar. 

Raids have always sucked. The whole idea is just modern a Skinner box. Pulling the lever once a week for 6 hours to have a chance that the rat chow you want might drop and then the chance that you might be the one to get to eat it? No thanks. 

I'll take instances I can do in an hour with friends and still feel like we accomplished something.

Raids have always sucked. The whole idea is just modern a Skinner box. Pulling the lever once a week for 6 hours to have a chance that the rat chow you want might drop and then the chance that you might be the one to get to eat it? No thanks. 

I'll take instances I can do in an hour with friends and still feel like we accomplished something.

Emraldo

Awesome. Large raids suck and have always been a relatively stupid concept - and in this case they would be a particularly stupid one.KHAndAnime

I agree.  Raids are just a dumb timesink..at leastt he traditional concept of raids.

I feel the exact opposite, raiding for me is just fun. I was excited to hear that Wildstar is bringing back 40-man raids that WoW did away with. 40-man raids in vanilla WoW were *AMAZING*. Getting 40 guildies or friends together to compete against the games hardest content was simple fun that other games just don't provide. However, there was a big fault to 40-mans...and that is actually getting 40 people together. At this point I have been loving what I see of Wildstar, it is my most anticipated mmo of the year atm.

Raid can be a lot of fun if you don't live for them. They give people something to do after they hit max.

Again I'm all for no raids but they have to bring something else to the table or just like GW2, there will be no reason to keep playing and no reason to bother lvling up to max at all.

Raid can be a lot of fun if you don't live for them. They give people something to do after they hit max.

Again I'm all for no raids but they have to bring something else to the table or just like GW2, there will be no reason to keep playing and no reason to bother lvling up to max at all.

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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Awesome. Large raids suck and have always been a relatively stupid concept - and in this case they would be a particularly stupid one.BSC14

Well I'm ok with no raids IF there are other things to do. If it's going to be another GW2 then I'll pass....

My thoughts exactly. GW2's end game for PvE is absolute rubbish.

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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Awesome. Large raids suck and have always been a relatively stupid concept - and in this case they would be a particularly stupid one.Wasdie

Well I'm ok with no raids IF there are other things to do. If it's going to be another GW2 then I'll pass....

My thoughts exactly. GW2's end game for PvE is absolute rubbish.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

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Well I'm ok with no raids IF there are other things to do. If it's going to be another GW2 then I'll pass....

FelipeInside

My thoughts exactly. GW2's end game for PvE is absolute rubbish.

I wouldn't say it's 'bad' but it's quite linear and doesn't offer a lot of variety.  The meat of the game comes from being a part of a huge guild and doing events or making up your own team activities.  The "raid" gear all have roughly the same stats, its just a game to go after what looks you want (which I dont mind too much since Im a sucker for cosmetic styles in RPGs).  It shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone whos tried GW1, which was the same cosmetics type of RPG and not about stats.  The gear is really easy to get

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Well I'm ok with no raids IF there are other things to do. If it's going to be another GW2 then I'll pass....

FelipeInside

My thoughts exactly. GW2's end game for PvE is absolute rubbish.

There is none? 

Grinding for gear is simply not fun and there is no real point to having the gear. It's all focused on the WvW but that's a terrible AoE spam I cannot stand. 

That suxsI love playing with 9 of my mates

EDIT, gawdno 4 mans? consider me dissapointed

Doesn't concern me in the slightest. I don't have time for raiding. I'm not 14 years old, living in my parent's house, after all.

Doesn't concern me in the slightest. I don't have time for raiding. I'm not 14 years old, living in my parent's house, after all.

airshocker

TEStanic

TESaster

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In all seriousness, how do you theme-parks define raids anyway? I'd rather fight other guilds over open world bosses than waste endless hours in a pve dungeon.

LOL... You'll be surprised how many adults still raid....FelipeInside

I don't really care. What concerns me is I don't have enough time for raiding. So any MMO that buries that mechanic has my blessing.

This is a huge letdown for me :(

raids are boring anyway, especially for someone like me who almost never makes a mistake than some unskilled idiot goes AFK in the fire, srsly screw raids

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Awesome. Large raids suck and have always been a relatively stupid concept - and in this case they would be a particularly stupid one.BSC14

Well I'm ok with no raids IF there are other things to do. If it's going to be another GW2 then I'll pass....

Personally I'm cool with no raids, I hate the crappy elitist community they create.

Raids in EQ1 where amazing, they where so hard and the sense of achievment when your guild took down a raid boss on EQ was astounding. WoW raids in comparison are childsplay and GW2 raids are a joke. Id rather have no raids than be involved in them with the state they are in now.

Awesome. Large raids suck and have always been a relatively stupid concept - and in this case they would be a particularly stupid one.KHAndAnime

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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Awesome. Large raids suck and have always been a relatively stupid concept - and in this case they would be a particularly stupid one.vfibsux

Well I'm ok with no raids IF there are other things to do. If it's going to be another GW2 then I'll pass....

Personally I'm cool with no raids, I hate the crappy elitist community they create.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

My thoughts exactly. GW2's end game for PvE is absolute rubbish.

Wasdie

There is none? 

Grinding for gear is simply not fun and there is no real point to having the gear. It's all focused on the WvW but that's a terrible AoE spam I cannot stand. 

Sorry but your statement failed,. Guild Wars 2 is PVP focused game, and they stated it.  You have Structure PVP which is terrific i enjoy playing it, WvWvW is pritty fun if you have well organisated guild with tactics and people who know what to do against enemy zergs,..  For PVE players unfortunatly, there is no much in Guild Wars 2, however i have in guild some friends who play only PVE,  Farming dungeons, getting up Fractal LVL, lvling up multiply characters on their accounts, crafting proffesions maxing, dunno as i see they play it still after half an year. They just need more time to add content. For difference of EA  and Activision they wont charge it.

If they add new dungeons on a very regular basis then I'm ok with that. I don't care at all about 40 man raids and would probably never get to do them anyway but some 10 player content would have been awesome.

The thing is, they need to give people a reason to level up and invest their time otherwise it should have just been a single player game.

Ok so I was just listening to an interview with the head dev and he was saying that end-game is not raiding but dungeons. However the dungeons change after max lvl.mobs are completely different doors and areas open up that were not there before and stuff like that. Basically the story continues at end game. Also he said that IF the community really starts pushing for raids then they will do whats needed to make them happy.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Awesome. Large raids suck and have always been a relatively stupid concept - and in this case they would be a particularly stupid one.MBirdy88

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I haven't gotten to end game in GW2 yet but why is it so bad?Assimilat0r

There is none? 

Grinding for gear is simply not fun and there is no real point to having the gear. It's all focused on the WvW but that's a terrible AoE spam I cannot stand. 

Sorry but your statement failed,. Guild Wars 2 is PVP focused game, and they stated it.  You have Structure PVP which is terrific i enjoy playing it, WvWvW is pritty fun if you have well organisated guild with tactics and people who know what to do against enemy zergs,..  For PVE players unfortunatly, there is no much in Guild Wars 2, however i have in guild some friends who play only PVE,  Farming dungeons, getting up Fractal LVL, lvling up multiply characters on their accounts, crafting proffesions maxing, dunno as i see they play it still after half an year. They just need more time to add content. For difference of EA  and Activision they wont charge it.

I refuse the touch the AoE spam that is WvW. If you think that's fun, then more fun for you I guess.

Why? Raids in general would add end game content...

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Well I'm ok with no raids IF there are other things to do. If it's going to be another GW2 then I'll pass....

MBirdy88

Personally I'm cool with no raids, I hate the crappy elitist community they create.

For the record I don't even play GW2 after getting two 80's, because no there is no endgame. I was just asking BSC if he even made it there or if he just goes by what everyone says. Either way, your elitist attitude assuming I am a scrub because I said I do not like the elitism raiding creates proves my point, and you were too stupid to even see it coming. 

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

There is none? 

Grinding for gear is simply not fun and there is no real point to having the gear. It's all focused on the WvW but that's a terrible AoE spam I cannot stand. 

Wasdie

Sorry but your statement failed,. Guild Wars 2 is PVP focused game, and they stated it.  You have Structure PVP which is terrific i enjoy playing it, WvWvW is pritty fun if you have well organisated guild with tactics and people who know what to do against enemy zergs,..  For PVE players unfortunatly, there is no much in Guild Wars 2, however i have in guild some friends who play only PVE,  Farming dungeons, getting up Fractal LVL, lvling up multiply characters on their accounts, crafting proffesions maxing, dunno as i see they play it still after half an year. They just need more time to add content. For difference of EA  and Activision they wont charge it.

I refuse the touch the AoE spam that is WvW. If you think that's fun, then more fun for you I guess.

It's fun when it's organized.  Problem is, it's almost never organzied

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="vfibsux"] Did you even make it to endgame in GW2?

Personally I'm cool with no raids, I hate the crappy elitist community they create.

vfibsux

For the record I don't even play GW2 after getting two 80's, because no there is no endgame. I was just asking BSC if he even made it there or if he just goes by what everyone says. Either way, your elitist attitude assuming I am a scrub because I said I do not like the elitism raiding creates proves my point, and you were too stupid to even see it coming.

No I never got to max in GW2. With little to no real endgame other than pvp I saw no reason and didn't enjoy....well I'm not going to go into all that again. Lets just say I have a lot of reasons for not liking GW2 and no end-game was just the nail in the coffin.

Never cared much for raids, in fact, when I raided in WoW I absolutely hated it. I hated it so much I tried spreading misinformation (well this was one of the reasons anyway) about me being a terrible tank and refused to sign up for raids. But tanks were in a shortage and I was a well respected member so officers signed me up anyway and that little lie I tried spreading around was soon dispelled >.>.

That said, I suppose the option to raid would be nice for those who want it. But this is a PvP focused mmo anyway from the looks of things. Better they focus on one aspect and do it well as opposed to mess up in every aspect.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I refuse the touch the AoE spam that is WvW. If you think that's fun, then more fun for you I guess.

wis3boi

It's fun when it's organized.  Problem is, it's almost never organzied

I agree, it is also the reason I gave up on it (along with the culling). No matter how much I asked, people would rather join disorganized zergs than join me in my hit and run missions and interceptions. And since I am a european with everyone else on my server being american (at least a 6 hour difference), all of my friends on the server, tended to be offline while I was online.

[QUOTE="Emraldo"]

Raids have always sucked. The whole idea is just modern a Skinner box. Pulling the lever once a week for 6 hours to have a chance that the rat chow you want might drop and then the chance that you might be the one to get to eat it? No thanks. 

I'll take instances I can do in an hour with friends and still feel like we accomplished something.

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Emraldo"]

Raids have always sucked. The whole idea is just modern a Skinner box. Pulling the lever once a week for 6 hours to have a chance that the rat chow you want might drop and then the chance that you might be the one to get to eat it? No thanks. 

I'll take instances I can do in an hour with friends and still feel like we accomplished something.

Advid-Gamer

I don't care.

I've enjoyed what small raids I've gone into but it's not a main focus for an MMO for me, just an off side dish in case the main meat gets rather stale and tough to swallow.

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

There is none? 

Grinding for gear is simply not fun and there is no real point to having the gear. It's all focused on the WvW but that's a terrible AoE spam I cannot stand. 

Wasdie

Sorry but your statement failed,. Guild Wars 2 is PVP focused game, and they stated it.  You have Structure PVP which is terrific i enjoy playing it, WvWvW is pritty fun if you have well organisated guild with tactics and people who know what to do against enemy zergs,..  For PVE players unfortunatly, there is no much in Guild Wars 2, however i have in guild some friends who play only PVE,  Farming dungeons, getting up Fractal LVL, lvling up multiply characters on their accounts, crafting proffesions maxing, dunno as i see they play it still after half an year. They just need more time to add content. For difference of EA  and Activision they wont charge it.

I refuse the touch the AoE spam that is WvW. If you think that's fun, then more fun for you I guess.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Emraldo"]

Raids have always sucked. The whole idea is just modern a Skinner box. Pulling the lever once a week for 6 hours to have a chance that the rat chow you want might drop and then the chance that you might be the one to get to eat it? No thanks. 

I'll take instances I can do in an hour with friends and still feel like we accomplished something.

Advid-Gamer

sounds good to me.  More "free form" type teamplay, i.e. going into a dungeon with some friends and relying more on skill than following a formula with a gear requirement, sounds much better to me.

[QUOTE="vfibsux"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] How the hell would you know? You have never raided end game in a mmo, he'll I doubt u even made it to max level. You are the definition Of a casual, yet always comment on mmos ans what makes them good. Advid-Gamer

I knew it! :lol: