[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="doanm"]

OOOH!! We still aloud to make baseless, grand sweeping delusions based on diluted world views again? I love playing this game! It allows me to say crap like this:

"PC gaming says EPIC is dead!!"

see how silly and baseless that was? Anything sounds correct when nobody bothers to check facts! WWHEE!!!!

doanm

I did, and quite frankly you are missing my point. My point being is that their world view and motivations are based on nonsensical hyperbolic bull or as I like to call them flat out lies which are harder to substantiate then Epic cares to beyond a convenient excuse to move on to other means of revenues. Hence my satire of a sweeping statement which to me is quite frankly as equally nonsensical as Epic Games personal justifications.

Sry, I did read ur comment wrong, that's why I deleted my post...FelipeInside

Ah fair enough. Continue on then.

What pisses me off is that they ALL say it's due to piracy.... and not something like "our game was crap and no one bought it on PC"....FelipeInside

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[QUOTE="KillerJuan77"]

I can't trust Epic after Gears of War, that game was awful.

KHAndAnime

Hope your joking after this coment..Gears is a great ip game..

Hyperbole of the century...really just a flat out wrong statement. These types of opinions don't make you look saavy...they make you look like you don't know what you are talking about.

Anyways

What I find weird is how people just can't admit piracy does play a part in this. Not saying it's the entire reason...probably not even the main reason. But so many people pretend piracy has no adverse effect on game sales and the industry on a whole it's just silly.

Countless devs from all different sizes have all spoke about it...they even spoke about how in some cases it takes money right out of their pocket (Bethseda estimated 30% of their support time was on pirated copies for instance).

I think there's obviously still a strong market for PC games, but if you are in the business of making huge high cost games it's just not that attractive to make PC games. Not saying nobody can make these types of games for the PC...but the pond isn't as big as it used to be. Seems like where the PC is finding a lot of it's success these days is lower cost, high quality games.

Eh whatever...

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

Hope your joking after this coment..Gears is a great ip game..

Renevent42

Hyperbole of the century...really just a flat out wrong statement. These types of opinions don't make you look saavy...they make you look like you don't know what you are talking about.

Anyways

What I find weird is how people just can't admit piracy does play a part in this. Not saying it's the entire reason...probably not even the main reason. But so many people pretend piracy has no adverse effect on game sales and the industry on a whole it's just silly.

Countless devs from all different sizes have all spoke about it...they even spoke about how in some cases it takes money right out of their pocket (Bethseda estimated 30% of their support time was on pirated copies for instance).

I think there's obviously still a strong market for PC games, but if you are in the business of making huge high cost games it's just not that attractive to make PC games. Not saying nobody can make these types of games for the PC...but the pond isn't as big as it used to be. Seems like where the PC is finding a lot of it's success these days is lower cost, high quality games.

Eh whatever...

If that's how they feel, then whatever. I never played any of their games anyway.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] Terrible game. Most shallow FPS to hit the market, ever. Marketed truly for its graphics. Short and boringly easy.FelipeInside

Hyperbole of the century...really just a flat out wrong statement. These types of opinions don't make you look saavy...they make you look like you don't know what you are talking about.

Anyways

What I find weird is how people just can't admit piracy does play a part in this. Not saying it's the entire reason...probably not even the main reason. But so many people pretend piracy has no adverse effect on game sales and the industry on a whole it's just silly.

Countless devs from all different sizes have all spoke about it...they even spoke about how in some cases it takes money right out of their pocket (Bethseda estimated 30% of their support time was on pirated copies for instance).

I think there's obviously still a strong market for PC games, but if you are in the business of making huge high cost games it's just not that attractive to make PC games. Not saying nobody can make these types of games for the PC...but the pond isn't as big as it used to be. Seems like where the PC is finding a lot of it's success these days is lower cost, high quality games.

Eh whatever...

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]

Hyperbole of the century...really just a flat out wrong statement. These types of opinions don't make you look saavy...they make you look like you don't know what you are talking about.

Anyways

What I find weird is how people just can't admit piracy does play a part in this. Not saying it's the entire reason...probably not even the main reason. But so many people pretend piracy has no adverse effect on game sales and the industry on a whole it's just silly.

Countless devs from all different sizes have all spoke about it...they even spoke about how in some cases it takes money right out of their pocket (Bethseda estimated 30% of their support time was on pirated copies for instance).

I think there's obviously still a strong market for PC games, but if you are in the business of making huge high cost games it's just not that attractive to make PC games. Not saying nobody can make these types of games for the PC...but the pond isn't as big as it used to be. Seems like where the PC is finding a lot of it's success these days is lower cost, high quality games.

Eh whatever...

Renevent42

Didn't someone say they haven't made a PC game in 3 years? and they blame just piracy? Aren't lots and lots of XBOX games pirated too?

PC gaming isn't the same anymore. With so many pirates and lazy developers... I think that next gen i'll buy a console (looking at my games library now, i could have 90% of my games on a Xbox 360 and i'd also be able to play the exclusives / bad ports too)

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] We know Piracy hurts....I'm just sick of devs just blaiming that for it... and no other reasons...FelipeInside

Didn't someone say they haven't made a PC game in 3 years? and they blame just piracy? Aren't lots and lots of XBOX games pirated too?

PC gaming isn't the same anymore. With so many pirates and lazy developers... I think that next gen i'll buy a console (looking at my games library now, i could have 90% of my games on a Xbox 360 and i'd also be able to play the exclusives / bad ports too)

Lox_Cropek

Oh crap, now I can't play all those awsome Epic games that are coming out :roll:

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] What do you want them to say? Millions of cheapskates are taking their hard work...should they not say anything? And they did give other reasons too...mostly that there is more money to be made on consoles. What would you do if it was your money and your company on the line?Lox_Cropek

Didn't someone say they haven't made a PC game in 3 years? and they blame just piracy? Aren't lots and lots of XBOX games pirated too?

[QUOTE="Mist3rBungle"]

[QUOTE="Dark_prince123"]The guy is 100% the Company's Main Goal is Making money not pleasing PC Gamers, and they found that Console Games Sells more than PC, guys Grow up you're thinking like we are in the PC Kingdom and whoever develop for Consoles is traitor and should Die PC Piracy is easier than Consoles and it really hurts companiesFelipeInside

My thoughts exactly.

The denial here is always good for a laugh here.

[QUOTE="Lox_Cropek"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Didn't someone say they haven't made a PC game in 3 years? and they blame just piracy? Aren't lots and lots of XBOX games pirated too?

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Mist3rBungle"]

My thoughts exactly.

Advid-Gamer

The denial here is always good for a laugh here.

Piracy has nothing to do with it, When was the last Epic PC game? What does a game developer who only develops console games now know about PC piracy, I would easily buy a game over steam than pirate it and im sure a lot of PC gamers would rather do the same or something similar.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] No-one ever said that whoever develops for Console is a traitor... What pisses me off is that they ALL say it's due to piracy.... and not something like "our game was crap and no one bought it on PC"....FelipeInside

The denial here is always good for a laugh here.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

The denial here is always good for a laugh here.

Advid-Gamer

Piracy is one of the main reasons...but not the ONLY one.... I am not in denial. There is always Steam, things like that to bring out your game on and have better protection against piracy. Why didn't he say something like "we should have gone onto Steam to help our PC games against piracy".... instead of all blame going to it...

Why no RDR on the Pc? It is already a MP why not put it on the pc?Advid-Gamer

Why no RDR on the PC ? hm I dunno could it be that Rockstar has been releasing games like this for TEN YEARS. Not getting RDR at the same time as the consoles has nothing to do with piracy Rockstar started this practice with GTA 3 and have carried on with it because it is profitable to get people to buy the console version and then later on buy the PC version.

Why no SSF4 o n the pc? SS4 was already released last year.Advid-Gamer

I don't know my console acronyms very well but I am assuming that is Super Street Fighter 4 ? So it's basically a beat em up :roll: naturally a beat em up is very at home on the PC isn't it ? I actually bought SS4 for the PC when it was on sale for 10 bucks guess how many times I have played it .... once I couldn't believe in this day and age people were still turning out 2d crappy games like that. I actually felt I had been ripped off even though it cost 10 bucks and I can assure you I wouldn't have been buying another street fighter game after that.

There are genres that perform better on the console just like there are genres that perform better on the PC. In the case of SSF4 that is most definitely a genre that performs better on the console. I don't even know why they bothered releasing SS4 on the PC. I believe RTS games often struggle on the console does that mean console gamers don't buy games then and consoles aren't profitable ?

Seems to me developers dont think the money they get from porting it is even worth the trouble anymore. Whatever Im not going to nitpick with you guys, its pointless. People reap what the sow.Advid-Gamer

Yet there are plenty of companies that still port or use the PC as their main revenue source, you have to ask yourself what do these companies know/do that Epic doesn't know or do ? If you want an explanation as to why companies like Epic and Rockstar treat the PC with such disdain then you just need to see what company they keep. It is widely regarded that Epic is Microsofts **** and Rockstar seriously that company couldn't whore itself to MS and Sony more. So it is no surprise those two companies neglect the PC side of things.

It doesnt bug me when they mention that their sales would have been higher if it wasn't for pirates.

It annoys the heck out of me when their game gets a 6.5 and they blame the lack of sales solely on pirates.

Either way, everything is relative. Everything on the platform can be pirated.If a game sells 1/10th of another one, it's because their game sucks. The comparison could've been pirated too.

I agree though that piracy is getting much worse these days. Torrents have changed everything.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

The denial here is always good for a laugh here.

Advid-Gamer

why no wow, why no witcher on console? consoles are failing, lol. A big problem is, people see the ps3 and 360 getting the exact same games but they dont always go to pc... this is the first gen where two consoles have no identity, they are both the same game wise.

They've been saying PC gaming dead for years though. They struck it lucky with GOW and promptly jumped ship to console. And now they just run their mouths off about the PC every chance they get. Funny because they've never made a good game imo. The only game I rate from Epic is the original UT, but from what I heared digital extremes did most of the work on that.UT3 was fairly medicore. It didn't do that well on cosole. What they going to do, blame PC for that also.

Righto I think if we all be jumping on this piracy schtick again then I say we have a look at this at least. If you like tl;dr like I do, then check it out:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-government-finally-admits-most-piracy-estimates-are-bogus.ars

EDIT: found another one more directly relating to PC piracy:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/wolfire-programmer-poor-pc-ports-not-piracy-hurt-business.ars

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

The denial here is always good for a laugh here.

Advid-Gamer

Righto I think if we all be jumping on this piracy schtick again then I say we have a look at this at least. If you like tl;dr like I do, then check it out:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-government-finally-admits-most-piracy-estimates-are-bogus.ars

EDIT: found another one more directly relating to PC piracy:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/wolfire-programmer-poor-pc-ports-not-piracy-hurt-business.ars

doanm

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] What's the denial oh dear "Master of Knowledge"...?devious742

Why is RDR not on the PC then, me not having a link that exactly states that, means nothing. I am drawing my own conclusions. You think you have points by nitpicking the smallest details to try and prove something. Thats right all i do is talk out my *** because great games LIKE RDR not being on the pc really helps me out. Pc gamers just dont want to see the writing on the wall, none of you will believe it until there are no games left. How many developers need to talk about piracy before people get it? Go ahead and jump up and down rejoyce, I dont have a link for that. I wouldnt be suprised if a statement came out stating it in a few weeks though. Im sure other people want to know why there is no pc version.

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] That piracy is not the reason for the down fall of PC gaming. Why no RDR on the Pc? It is already a MP why not put it on the pc? Why no SSF4 o n the pc? SS4 was already released last year. Seems to me developers dont think the money they get from porting it is even worth the trouble anymore. Whatever Im not going to nitpick with you guys, its pointless. People reap what the sow.Advid-Gamer

Why is RDR not on the PC then, me not having a link that exactly states that, means nothing. I am drawing my own conclusions. You think you have points by nitpicking the smallest details to try and prove something. Thats right all i do is talk out my *** because great games LIKE RDR not being on the pc really helps me out. Pc gamers just dont want to see the writing on the wall, none of you will believe it until there are no games left. How many developers need to talk about piracy before people get it? Go ahead and jump up and down rejoyce, I dont have a link for that. I wouldnt be suprised if a statement came out stating it in a few weeks though. Im sure other people want to know why there is no pc version.

Developer Stardock Says Piracy Isn't Killing PC Gaming

According to Brad Wardell, president and CEO of Stardock, (via the Sins of a Solar Empire forum) piracy is an issue, but he doesn't think it should be used as a scapegoat when a game doesn't sell. Wardwell states that there is a problem with the way that game developers currently look at the PC install base. "When you develop for a market, you don't go by the user base. You go by the potential customer base. That's what most software companies do. They base what they want to create on the size of the market they're developing for. But not PC game developers. PC game developers seem to focus more on the 'cool' factor. What game can they make that will get them glory with the game magazines and gaming websites and hard core gamers? These days, it seems like game developers want to be like rock stars more than businessmen," Wardell wrote.

Rather than trying to craft a game to get the most media coverage, Wardell approaches the situation from a financial point of view. "When I make a game, I focus on making games that I think will be the most profitable… when it comes time to make a game, I don't have a hard time thinking of a game I'd like to play. The hard part is coming up with a game that we can actually make that will be profitable. And that means looking at the market as a business not about trying to be 'cool'."

Why is RDR not on the PC then, me not having a link that exactly states that, means nothing. I am drawing my own conclusions. You think you have points by nitpicking the smallest details to try and prove something. Thats right all i do is talk out my *** because great games LIKE RDR not being on the pc really helps me out. Pc gamers just dont want to see the writing on the wall, none of you will believe it until there are no games left. How many developers need to talk about piracy before people get it? Go ahead and jump up and down rejoyce, I dont have a link for that. I wouldnt be suprised if a statement came out stating it in a few weeks though. Im sure other people want to know why there is no pc version.Advid-Gamer

I already explained this to you but you kinda ignored my post for some reason. There is no RDR on the PC at the moment because hey presto that is how Rockstar does things and has been doing things for TEN YEARS (you can't tell me piracy was massive ten years ago). The whole policy started with GTA 3 and Rockstar has stayed with that policy ever since, it probably makes sense to them to release the game on the console first then do a slightly souped up PC version with video editor and get people to re-buy it on the PC.

It is no surprise to me after all Rockstar is very close with the console companies and it is in both Sony and Microsofts interest to damage the PC in any way possible. Rockstar are primarily a console developer their assets and resources concentrate solely on the console the PC is an after thought for them that is their choice. Just like Valve is a PC orientated company their assets and resources are concentrated in that area and the xbox 360/PS3 is an after thought for them.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="devious742"] oo typical avid...:oops: in another thread you said that the reason RDR didnt come to pc was because of piracy.. yet I asked for a linked.. you never gave me one... talk about talking out of ur a**

devious742

Why is RDR not on the PC then, me not having a link that exactly states that, means nothing. I am drawing my own conclusions. You think you have points by nitpicking the smallest details to try and prove something. Thats right all i do is talk out my *** because great games LIKE RDR not being on the pc really helps me out. Pc gamers just dont want to see the writing on the wall, none of you will believe it until there are no games left. How many developers need to talk about piracy before people get it? Go ahead and jump up and down rejoyce, I dont have a link for that. I wouldnt be suprised if a statement came out stating it in a few weeks though. Im sure other people want to know why there is no pc version.

Developer Stardock Says Piracy Isn't Killing PC Gaming

According to Brad Wardell, president and CEO of Stardock, (via the Sins of a Solar Empire forum) piracy is an issue, but he doesn't think it should be used as a scapegoat when a game doesn't sell. Wardwell states that there is a problem with the way that game developers currently look at the PC install base. "When you develop for a market, you don't go by the user base. You go by the potential customer base. That's what most software companies do. They base what they want to create on the size of the market they're developing for. But not PC game developers. PC game developers seem to focus more on the 'cool' factor. What game can they make that will get them glory with the game magazines and gaming websites and hard core gamers? These days, it seems like game developers want to be like rock stars more than businessmen," Wardell wrote.

Rather than trying to craft a game to get the most media coverage, Wardell approaches the situation from a financial point of view. "When I make a game, I focus on making games that I think will be the most profitable… when it comes time to make a game, I don't have a hard time thinking of a game I'd like to play. The hard part is coming up with a game that we can actually make that will be profitable. And that means looking at the market as a business not about trying to be 'cool'."

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]Why is RDR not on the PC then, me not having a link that exactly states that, means nothing. I am drawing my own conclusions. You think you have points by nitpicking the smallest details to try and prove something. Thats right all i do is talk out my *** because great games LIKE RDR not being on the pc really helps me out. Pc gamers just dont want to see the writing on the wall, none of you will believe it until there are no games left. How many developers need to talk about piracy before people get it? Go ahead and jump up and down rejoyce, I dont have a link for that. I wouldnt be suprised if a statement came out stating it in a few weeks though. Im sure other people want to know why there is no pc version.charmingcharlie

I already explained this to you but you kinda ignored my post for some reason. There is no RDR on the PC at the moment because hey presto that is how Rockstar does things and has been doing things for TEN YEARS (you can't tell me piracy was massive ten years ago). The whole policy started with GTA 3 and Rockstar has stayed with that policy ever since, it probably makes sense to them to release the game on the console first then do a slightly souped up PC version with video editor and get people to re-buy it on the PC.

It is no surprise to me after all Rockstar is very close with the console companies and it is in both Sony and Microsofts interest to damage the PC in any way possible. Rockstar are primarily a console developer their assets and resources concentrate solely on the console the PC is an after thought for them that is their choice. Just like Valve is a PC orientated company their assets and resources are concentrated in that area and the xbox 360/PS3 is an after thought for them.

Everyone hear develops PC games and know better than the actual developers and publishers. AFAIK this is the same thing Crytek spoke about and now they are multiplat. PC gaming isn't dead but the market is changing. I am sure more people are playing facebook games than the majority of main stream PC titles these days.

Thats fine but getting a fantastic game like RDR 1 year after release, is like showing up late the party after everyone has already left. I would have prefered to get the pc version, not the crappy ps3 version that I got. In 1 year I wont really care, Im sure there will be something else by then. Advid-Gamer

Whether you care or not isn't the issue here, this is how Rockstar does things they have too much invested in the consoles to bother with the PC. That is the way of things some companies are pro-console some are pro-PC. I personally don't care for RDR myself I don't even understand what all the hype is about and if it did come to the PC it isn't a game I would pick up myself (sorry but cowboy stuff does nothing for me). However I don't think you can use RDR as an example of how "piracy is killing the PC". Using Rockstar as an example is as silly as me going "oh Blizzard never do anything on the consoles there obviously is no money to be made from consoles". You see for every developer you can cite that is neglecting the PC we can bring up at least 2 or 3 that are not neglecting the PC and are doing very well.

Everyone hear develops PC games and know better than the actual developers and publishers. AFAIK this is the same thing Crytek spoke about and now they are multiplat. PC gaming isn't dead but the market is changing. I am sure more people are playing facebook games than the majority of main stream PC titles these days.Deihmos

Crytek don't know if they are coming or going when it comes to piracy. One minute they say it is piracy the next minute they say it isn't. I personally think they are using piracy as a "scape goat excuse". I believe Crysis sold around 2 - 3 million copies on the PC in the console world that is apparently a "successful" number of copies. Yet despite this success Crytek went multiplatform, I wonder why that is ? I wonder could it be the fact there is nothing stopping them going multiplatform ?

I personally believe it doesn't matter if Crysis had sold 20 million copies on the PC they would have still gone multiplatform simply because there is nothing stopping them. If you look at nearly all the exclusives on the consoles they are exclusive because of the console manufacturers have some leverage over the developer or they have some contract or financial incentive to make it exclusive.

It does not make sense for any PC developer to stay "PC EXCLUSIVE" there is nothing to stop them from bringing their games to the console. Just because they decide to tap into the 80 million console users as well as the PC market shouldn't be taken as a "oh well it is game over for the PC", that is just the nature of the beast.

Well then...Epic Games is dead to me. At least they still made UT 99 and UT 2004 before they went 6 feet under to me.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

Piracy is a quite scapegoat for any publisher or developer when their game doesnt sell as well as they hope. While piracy is just as high on the consoles and quickly thrown under the rug. Epic will never figure out on how much sales they have lost because of used games.Jd1680a

Piracy is not just as high on the consoles. PC games are pirated like 4:1 from their console counterparts (look it up yourself). It's no question piracy is way higher. It's not just that factor though it's things like install base, percent of pc users who are actual customers, percent that fall into gamer demographics, ect.

Or whatever...you guys are smart. Believe that guys at Epic sit around in board meeting twiddling their thumbs like idiots not knowing at least a little about the game industry and selling games. lol...

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="devious742"] oo typical avid...:oops: in another thread you said that the reason RDR didnt come to pc was because of piracy.. yet I asked for a linked.. you never gave me one... talk about talking out of ur a**

devious742

Why is RDR not on the PC then, me not having a link that exactly states that, means nothing. I am drawing my own conclusions. You think you have points by nitpicking the smallest details to try and prove something. Thats right all i do is talk out my *** because great games LIKE RDR not being on the pc really helps me out. Pc gamers just dont want to see the writing on the wall, none of you will believe it until there are no games left. How many developers need to talk about piracy before people get it? Go ahead and jump up and down rejoyce, I dont have a link for that. I wouldnt be suprised if a statement came out stating it in a few weeks though. Im sure other people want to know why there is no pc version.

Developer Stardock Says Piracy Isn't Killing PC Gaming

According to Brad Wardell, president and CEO of Stardock, (via the Sins of a Solar Empire forum) piracy is an issue, but he doesn't think it should be used as a scapegoat when a game doesn't sell. Wardwell states that there is a problem with the way that game developers currently look at the PC install base. "When you develop for a market, you don't go by the user base. You go by the potential customer base. That's what most software companies do. They base what they want to create on the size of the market they're developing for. But not PC game developers. PC game developers seem to focus more on the 'cool' factor. What game can they make that will get them glory with the game magazines and gaming websites and hard core gamers? These days, it seems like game developers want to be like rock stars more than businessmen," Wardell wrote.

Rather than trying to craft a game to get the most media coverage, Wardell approaches the situation from a financial point of view. "When I make a game, I focus on making games that I think will be the most profitable… when it comes time to make a game, I don't have a hard time thinking of a game I'd like to play. The hard part is coming up with a game that we can actually make that will be profitable. And that means looking at the market as a business not about trying to be 'cool'."

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Well then...Epic Games is dead to me. At least they still made UT 99 and UT 2004 before they went 6 feet under to me.cocolabouto

[QUOTE="cocolabouto"][QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Well then...Epic Games is dead to me. At least they still made UT 99 and UT 2004 before they went 6 feet under to me.Advid-Gamer

I cant believe some people DIDNT enjoy Gears of war. The mp on consoles on gears1 for its "TIME" was fantastic. I go back now and play it ,it seems cheesy but not back them. It seems to me Pc gamers dont like many new games these days,, Sucks for you guys because eventually even Dues ex will lose its luster. Some people seem hell bent on resisting this change, the way I see it is, you better get on board because the train is leaving with or without you. Advid-Gamer

Then it is obviously a game you enjoy, I am sure I could list a few games I enjoy and you would go "omgz how can you like that game it's crap". I have been a PC gamer for 20 years and I will agree with you I don't like many new games these days and guess what happens when I don't like a game ? that's right I don't buy the game nor do I pirate it. The quality and types of game coming out today are pathetic in my books it is difficult at times to find a game worth the price they are asking (on console or PC).

As for the train leaving without me ......... hm I will wave it goodbye then because I sure as hell am not going to get on that train wreck. I do have to wonder about your motives in this forum, I don't think I have seen one single positive post about PC gaming from you. Now seriously if you have such contempt for PC gaming why hang around the PC forum, I can't stand consoles but you don't see me going to their forums and bothering them.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] What's the denial oh dear "Master of Knowledge"...?devious742

[QUOTE="cocolabouto"][QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Well then...Epic Games is dead to me. At least they still made UT 99 and UT 2004 before they went 6 feet under to me.Advid-Gamer

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="charmingcharlie"]I don't know my console acronyms very well but I am assuming that is Super Street Fighter 4 ? So it's basically a beat em up naturally a beat em up is very at home on the PC isn't it ? I actually bought SS4 for the PC when it was on sale for 10 bucks guess how many times I have played it .... once I couldn't believe in this day and age people were still turning out 2d crappy games like that. I actually felt I had been ripped off even though it cost 10 bucks and I can assure you I wouldn't have been buying another street fighter game after that. There are genres that perform better on the console just like there are genres that perform better on the PC. In the case of SSF4 that is most definitely a genre that performs better on the console. I don't even know why they bothered releasing SS4 on the PC. I believe RTS games often struggle on the console does that mean console gamers don't buy games then and consoles aren't profitable ?OoSuperMarioO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_AnZ0k8zOs#t=2m37s

Absolutely marvelous!