are you really doing anything or are you just complaining about itPeople like me? What, people who respect hard work and want other people not to get ripped off? People like me who are tired of listening to a bunch of selfish kids make excuses as to why their stealing is justified?
Yeah...damn me! :lol:
Anyways, their parents obviously aren't screwing their heads on straight they ought to hear it from somewhere lol.
dnuggs40
explain pc pirating to me!
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[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]are you really doing anything or are you just complaining about itPeople like me? What, people who respect hard work and want other people not to get ripped off? People like me who are tired of listening to a bunch of selfish kids make excuses as to why their stealing is justified?
Yeah...damn me! :lol:
Anyways, their parents obviously aren't screwing their heads on straight they ought to hear it from somewhere lol.
tony2077ca
Yeah I am...if it weren't for me, and others in this thread it would just be a bunch of selfish thieves agreeing with each other. Maybe we can't do anything for them, but what about little Timmy reading the thread who hasn't said anything? Maybe little Timmy is smarter than the selfish apologists and can see right from wrong...maybe this thread will help him understand the actual implications of piracy and just maybe little Timmy will instead cut lawns for extra money to buy his games.
If the good people don't speak up, the depraved are allow to go around unchallenged. Nothing good is in vein...and in my opinion standing up for the people who LITERALLY make this beloved hobby of ours is good...especially when it's against a bunch of selfish misguided people who leech off of it.
[QUOTE="tony2077ca"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]are you really doing anything or are you just complaining about it Yeah I am...if it weren't for me, and others in this thread it would just be a bunch of selfish thieves agreeing with each other. Maybe we can't do anything for them, but what about little Timmy reading the thread who hasn't said anything? Maybe little Timmy is smarter than the selfish apologists and can see right from wrong...maybe this thread will help him understand the actual implications of piracy and just maybe little Timmy will instead cut lawns for extra money to buy his games. its not like saying anything on a place like this will change anythingPeople like me? What, people who respect hard work and want other people not to get ripped off? People like me who are tired of listening to a bunch of selfish kids make excuses as to why their stealing is justified?
Yeah...damn me! :lol:
Anyways, their parents obviously aren't screwing their heads on straight they ought to hear it from somewhere lol.
dnuggs40
[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="tony2077ca"] its not like saying anything on a place like this will change anythingtony2077caThat's in your opinion. I have had conversation with people here and changed a few minds...and I have had my mind changed as well. The only thing guaranteed not to do anything is apathy...which you seem full of. And I would change your sig...based on this conversation that's not your color at all ;) are you really sure you changed anyone minds and how did you change yours
He's changed his mind from saying "Pirating is ok" to saying "Pirating isn't..."
Is it really that difficult?
Just because you can't be bothered to stand up and do something for your games, and infact you need to take them doesn't make it right, and not doing the right thing is wrong, this guy is just trying to stand up in what he believes in. If your standing up for what you believe in by saying Piracy is good, then you sir, are a moron.
are you really sure you changed anyone minds and how did you change yours[QUOTE="tony2077ca"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"] That's in your opinion. I have had conversation with people here and changed a few minds...and I have had my mind changed as well. The only thing guaranteed not to do anything is apathy...which you seem full of. And I would change your sig...based on this conversation that's not your color at all ;)MickaelJulliard
He's changed his mind from saying "Pirating is ok" to saying "Pirating isn't..."
Is it really that difficult?
Just because you can't be bothered to stand up and do something for your games, and infact you need to take them doesn't make it right, and not doing the right thing is wrong, this guy is just trying to stand up in what he believes in. If your standing up for what you believe in by saying Piracy is good, then you sir, are a moron.
i wasn't saying that and i don't think its that easy a thing to do and i'm not in a place to do anything not yet anyway[QUOTE="MickaelJulliard"]are you really sure you changed anyone minds and how did you change yours[QUOTE="tony2077ca"] That's in your opinion. I have had conversation with people here and changed a few minds...and I have had my mind changed as well. The only thing guaranteed not to do anything is apathy...which you seem full of. And I would change your sig...based on this conversation that's not your color at all ;)tony2077ca
He's changed his mind from saying "Pirating is ok" to saying "Pirating isn't..."
Is it really that difficult?
Just because you can't be bothered to stand up and do something for your games, and infact you need to take them doesn't make it right, and not doing the right thing is wrong, this guy is just trying to stand up in what he believes in. If your standing up for what you believe in by saying Piracy is good, then you sir, are a moron.
Oh wow. If you think X, you're a good person If you think Y, you're a moron. Hmmm. Someone clearly has an unbiased opinion on the situation. Personally, i have no problem if someone wants to pirate games. It's none of my business and doesn't hurt gaming (IMO) so i'll keep my mouth shut. and IMO, if you support antipiracy and jump on it's bandwagon, you're a moron.(see what i did there) lol @ horribly flawed antipiracy facts.[QUOTE="tony2077ca"][QUOTE="MickaelJulliard"] are you really sure you changed anyone minds and how did you change yours Nibroc420
He's changed his mind from saying "Pirating is ok" to saying "Pirating isn't..."
Is it really that difficult?
Just because you can't be bothered to stand up and do something for your games, and infact you need to take them doesn't make it right, and not doing the right thing is wrong, this guy is just trying to stand up in what he believes in. If your standing up for what you believe in by saying Piracy is good, then you sir, are a moron.
Oh wow. If you think X, you're a good person If you think Y, you're a moron. Hmmm. Someone clearly has an unbiased opinion on the situation. Personally, i have no problem if someone wants to pirate games. It's none of my business and doesn't hurt gaming (IMO) so i'll keep my mouth shut. and IMO, if you support antipiracy and jump on it's bandwagon, you're a moron.(see what i did there) lol @ horribly flawed antipiracy facts.in cases like this its damned if you do damned if you don't
EA's new motto: please pirate our games
source: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/06/eas-new-motto-please-pirate-our-games-er-storefronts.ars
@titanquest dude with a bajillion posts; what do you have to say about that article? See, I can pull stuff out of my arse that's completely ridiculous but is supposedly true because it's from a reputable source as well. It doesn't mean anything in the end, just as your 90% essay you quoted from doing mean jack either.
So you're getting your information from the developers and publishers who want you to beleve something... Hmmmmm CNN wants you to think that 90% of pigs have wings and actually hide them, (studies done by CNN scientists) ABC yogurt company wants you to know, their yogurt is far better for you than the competition (studies done by ABC yogurt company) Where you get facts is important. Also, i'd like to note you completely ignored my earlier posting. with good reason i assume?[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]
[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]I got that from the many developers who have all cited it based on their observations (online server checks, ect). Companies like 2D Boy, Stardock, Iron Lore, Epic, and others have cited piracy rates consistently between 50%-90%. Now where, exactly, are you getting YOUR figures? The idea that high piracy rate is actually increasing profits is so delusional I don't even know what to say...dnuggs40
Edit, posted my post inside his 0.o
I ignored it because the question was so silly I didn't take it seriously. Anyways:
"Why is it that buying games and trading them among friends, or buying pre-owned games is legal, and is ignored in the sense of "potential profit" going into the pockets of the Developers. But Piracy is seen as the downfall of PC gaming?"
Let's see...trading between two friends is still considered piracy, but the reason why it isn't being cited as a huge problem is because between those two people, at least one person purchased the game. With torrents, maybe one person buys it (sometimes they even get a "free" copy from a buddy at a warehouse) and "share" it with...um...2 MILLION of their closest friends.
Do you honestly not see a major difference there, smart guy?
And yeah, I get the info from the developers...where do YOU get yours? It's been cited by so many developers now it's rediculous. And it's not just big wigs at EA anymore...guys like Stardock, Iron Lore, 2D Boy, and others have all said it. These are not just the "evil corporations" so many of you like to demonize...these are the other guys...indie developers..medium sized independent dev houses...gamer friendly companies.
Alright, Everyone we are going to shut down every video store in the country as we are sharing videos/games and the developer/publisher is not seeing anymore profit besides when the company bought the x amount of copies they needed.
So in turn, Blockbuster buys 1 copy of x game, over the next year x game is rented 500 times. That is 500 people by your description pirating a game then. Wrong, why doesnt the governement shut these places down everything is so illegal there....
You go to gamestop, you buy a used game, game stop gets the profits but for reselling the game the developer/publisher does not see a dime? Again is this piracy? Because the developer didnt see an ROI yet the customer has bought the game...
Bottom line is if you develope a great game it will sell no matter what, Most pirated games do not have a functioning multiplayer portion of it, so add that as a major selling point.
Here is another tid-bit, I go out and purchase World of Warcraft, but i do not wish to play on there servers(Blizzard), i wish to play on a server that someone other then blizzard runs, what am i now? i have purchased the game but i am not contributing to the ROI of the company, yet they can tell me how i must play the game, correct? Is that not greedy in itself?
There will always be piracy, so devs will have to make games that much better that will make people want to buy them, those special things in games, the anticipation that make people line up at midnight for a release. Make it good and people will buy it, or as they say, if you build it they will come.
Pirates are scum, trash, losers and criminals, as are the people who try to justify/glorify piracy.
Lots of pirated crysis games don't work either (these stupid pirated companies like the pirate website where you get everything for free dont work just give you viruses and some other craap you don't wan't on your PC) even though you can get free stuff if it works...I'm not into it. just buy it am I right?
SO YEA...pirating rocks/sucks
i only use torrents if i have the game but it won't work because its scratched is that a bad thing
Obviously you are a terrible, horrible person for doing such a thing. Since you stole the game illegally on the internet you just cost the company a sale and are killing PC gaming. See your download directly relates to a lost sale, you should have thought ahead and bought two copies just incase one of the discs failed or you lost it. :roll: Yes the people who pirate games just to play them for free are wrong, but to say that every downloaded copy of a game is a lost sale is also wrong. Also bladechaos, you can edit a post with the drop down menu on the bottom right side of the post, no need for the triple post.i only use torrents if i have the game but it won't work because its scratched is that a bad thing
tony2077ca
[QUOTE="tony2077ca"]Obviously you are a terrible, horrible person for doing such a thing. Since you stole the game illegally on the internet you just cost the company a sale and are killing PC gaming. See your download directly relates to a lost sale, you should have thought ahead and bought two copies just incase one of the discs failed or you lost it. :roll: Yes the people who pirate games just to play them for free are wrong, but to say that every downloaded copy of a game is a lost sale is also wrong. Also bladechaos, you can edit a post with the drop down menu on the bottom right side of the post, no need for the triple post. are you pulling my leg or is that how you really feeli only use torrents if i have the game but it won't work because its scratched is that a bad thing
General_X
It'd be kinda funny to see how fast nVidia and AMD would go out of business if everybody could pirate graphics cards, too. :D IIRC they sell way more cards than most companies sell games. And your source would be...?[QUOTE="Mograine"]
It's nothing, really. People is just overreacting to it because companies are crying with their "lolwut potential buyers" theories, while they should label them "lost" buyers (they pirate the game, companies don't get money, they don't pirate the game, companies still don't get money, so what's the point in whining? It's even better if someone pirates it because there is a chance they will eventually buy the company's following game/sequel).
Makari
[QUOTE="Makari"]It'd be kinda funny to see how fast nVidia and AMD would go out of business if everybody could pirate graphics cards, too. :D IIRC they sell way more cards than most companies sell games. And your source would be...? Not too long after the 8800GT 512MB was launched, nVidia announced that they had sold ~30 million standalone 8 series cards, a large chunk of which were 8800's that at that point had still largely been $300-500 cards. Waaayyyyyyyyyy more people bought 8800GTS 640's and 8800GTX's than purchased Crysis, as an example.[QUOTE="Mograine"]
It's nothing, really. People is just overreacting to it because companies are crying with their "lolwut potential buyers" theories, while they should label them "lost" buyers (they pirate the game, companies don't get money, they don't pirate the game, companies still don't get money, so what's the point in whining? It's even better if someone pirates it because there is a chance they will eventually buy the company's following game/sequel).
siafni
Yeah I am...if it weren't for me, and others in this thread it would just be a bunch of selfish thieves agreeing with each other. Maybe we can't do anything for them, but what about little Timmy reading the thread who hasn't said anything? Maybe little Timmy is smarter than the selfish apologists and can see right from wrong...maybe this thread will help him understand the actual implications of piracy and just maybe little Timmy will instead cut lawns for extra money to buy his games.If the good people don't speak up, the depraved are allow to go around unchallenged. Nothing good is in vein...and in my opinion standing up for the people who LITERALLY make this beloved hobby of ours is good...especially when it's against a bunch of selfish misguided people who leech off of it.dnuggs40
So, let's suppose little Timmy is new to gaming now. Being "smarter" than the ones who "can't tell right from wrong" (lol@pov, what is pov anyway, eh?), he *is converted* to buy every possible game he wanted.
Now, he goes to the store and the one who brought him there finds out that buying a bunch of games that look good and that Timmy would like to play would cost him half of his family's wage, and he's only looking at the last-month releases.
Now repeat to him. Piracy. Is. Ruining. Game. Industry. Imo, Timmy would then start crying, morally crushed, because he really wants to play them but he *should be smart enough* to understand the one paying for his games can't seriously waste half of his monthly earnings to buy him some games that little Timmy doesn't even know.
Now say again. Pirates. Are. Greedy. Soulless. Selfish. Bastards. Now, Timmy walks out of the store still crying. When he gets home, someone from his family ask him what happened. He then answers "the games cost too much" and has three choices. One is, wait to get enough money to pay those games (and I'm pretty sure if Timmy didn't already take a stance on this matter, he has no real chance to get money if you don't count money his parents give to him -and again, half of the monthly wage is a gargantuan amount for such a little kid-, and cutting lawns for old geezers who can't keep their mouth shut about their youth, paying him what? 5-10 bucks? each time he goes, what will the other kids of his age think? "lol you didn't come to play soccer because of 5€? what a loser, I already have that game anyway").
The second is, buy some games and pirate the others. The third is, well, "screw what that guy on that forum wanted to make me think, I'm playing the games".
I'm in no position to assume what will Timmy choose. But let's be serious - counting that he went to a store with so many appealing games, your statements about piracy made/almost made him cry in public, and that he can buy a shipload of chewing gum with the money he would have spent on games - what option do you think Timmy will have the lowest chance to choose?
Morals, meh. I too was completely against the piracy, but I switched to neutral stance when I realized that well, paying for games that are utter crap and sold just because of the hype is out of my mind.
Reviews? "Pros" get paid to write them, and people's reviews often miss some parts. Well, from what I read here on gamespot, an obnoxious amount of parts. My Prototype review was very short in my opinion, a measly 1600 or so words, and I didn't even go in details with so many things, how can reviews with barely 100 words even get called "reviews"? And they are also written with no criticism at all if the writers "have fun".
Trailers? Of course developers only show the worst parts of the game whenn releasing a trailer, it's only logical. Trying them for yourself? That's ALWAYS the best course of action no matter what. Are you afraid that the "potential customer" won't pay for the game? That means you are not sure about the quality of the product. Release a better product in the first place, instead of blaming people for not being sure about paying for it.
Now what, "time to screw your head right" again with some "LOL WHAT IF YOU GO TO A RESTAURANT AND DON'T LIKE THE STEAK" and some "YOU THIEVING GREEDERS, THEY WORKED HARD BUT THEIR COMPANY WENT BANKRUPT BECAUSE OF U LAMERING PIRACY SUPPORTERS" ?
It's not like I'm a defender of piracy, nobody here is, we are just pointing out that there isn't only piracy in the list of things that make a company fail, while you are only splurting overzealous "I HAS PIRACY NUMBERS" without even considering the chance of what might happen if piracy completely stopped, claiming it's just "nonsense that we are using to *JUSTIFY* (lol, that really is a presumptuous claim, post another link as proof please?) your evil actions".
[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]plain bla bla bla without elaboration... you stole 5 seconds of my life... you must be a piratePirates are scum, trash, losers and criminals, as are the people who try to justify/glorify piracy.
siafni
it's in the common sense, the international law and the user agreement. mull it over yourself. it's not my job to smart you up. and you've been reported by calling me a pirate.
man did this get out of hand....
[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]Yeah I am...if it weren't for me, and others in this thread it would just be a bunch of selfish thieves agreeing with each other. Maybe we can't do anything for them, but what about little Timmy reading the thread who hasn't said anything? Maybe little Timmy is smarter than the selfish apologists and can see right from wrong...maybe this thread will help him understand the actual implications of piracy and just maybe little Timmy will instead cut lawns for extra money to buy his games.
If the good people don't speak up, the depraved are allow to go around unchallenged. Nothing good is in vein...and in my opinion standing up for the people who LITERALLY make this beloved hobby of ours is good...especially when it's against a bunch of selfish misguided people who leech off of it.Mograine
So, let's suppose little Timmy is new to gaming now. Being "smarter" than the ones who "can't tell right from wrong" (lol@pov, what is pov anyway, eh?), he *is converted* to buy every possible game he wanted.
Now, he goes to the store and the one who brought him there finds out that buying a bunch of games that look good and that Timmy would like to play would cost him half of his family's wage, and he's only looking at the last-month releases.
Now repeat to him. Piracy. Is. Ruining. Game. Industry. Imo, Timmy would then start crying, morally crushed, because he really wants to play them but he *should be smart enough* to understand the one paying for his games can't seriously waste half of his monthly earnings to buy him some games that little Timmy doesn't even know.
Now say again. Pirates. Are. Greedy. Soulless. Selfish. Bastards. Now, Timmy walks out of the store still crying. When he gets home, someone from his family ask him what happened. He then answers "the games cost too much" and has three choices. One is, wait to get enough money to pay those games (and I'm pretty sure if Timmy didn't already take a stance on this matter, he has no real chance to get money if you don't count money his parents give to him -and again, half of the monthly wage is a gargantuan amount for such a little kid-, and cutting lawns for old geezers who can't keep their mouth shut about their youth, paying him what? 5-10 bucks? each time he goes, what will the other kids of his age think? "lol you didn't come to play soccer because of 5€? what a loser, I already have that game anyway").
The second is, buy some games and pirate the others. The third is, well, "screw what that guy on that forum wanted to make me think, I'm playing the games".
I'm in no position to assume what will Timmy choose. But let's be serious - counting that he went to a store with so many appealing games, your statements about piracy made/almost made him cry in public, and that he can buy a shipload of chewing gum with the money he would have spent on games - what option do you think Timmy will have the lowest chance to choose?
Morals, meh. I too was completely against the piracy, but I switched to neutral stance when I realized that well, paying for games that are utter crap and sold just because of the hype is out of my mind.
Reviews? "Pros" get paid to write them, and people's reviews often miss some parts. Well, from what I read here on gamespot, an obnoxious amount of parts. My Prototype review was very short in my opinion, a measly 1600 or so words, and I didn't even go in details with so many things, how can reviews with barely 100 words even get called "reviews"? And they are also written with no criticism at all if the writers "have fun".
Trailers? Of course developers only show the worst parts of the game whenn releasing a trailer, it's only logical. Trying them for yourself? That's ALWAYS the best course of action no matter what. Are you afraid that the "potential customer" won't pay for the game? That means you are not sure about the quality of the product. Release a better product in the first place, instead of blaming people for not being sure about paying for it.
Now what, "time to screw your head right" again with some "LOL WHAT IF YOU GO TO A RESTAURANT AND DON'T LIKE THE STEAK" and some "YOU THIEVING GREEDERS, THEY WORKED HARD BUT THEIR COMPANY WENT BANKRUPT BECAUSE OF U LAMERING PIRACY SUPPORTERS" ?
It's not like I'm a defender of piracy, nobody here is, we are just pointing out that there isn't only piracy in the list of things that make a company fail, while you are only splurting overzealous "I HAS PIRACY NUMBERS" without even considering the chance of what might happen if piracy completely stopped, claiming it's just "nonsense that we are using to *JUSTIFY* (lol, that really is a presumptuous claim, post another link as proof please?) your evil actions".
Piracy is a crime. that's all little TIMMY needs to know and remember. if he can't handle it, he shouldn't be playing games. simple as that. all hypothesis and examples are just a waste of time.
[QUOTE="siafni"]plain bla bla bla without elaboration... you stole 5 seconds of my life... you must be a pirateJinroh_basic
it's in the common sense, the international law and the user agreement. mull it over yourself. it's not my job to smart you up. and you've been reported by calling me a pirate.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/2867253326_792146d6e7.jpg
Piracy is a crime. that's all little TIMMY needs to know and remember. if he can't handle it, he shouldn't be playing games. simple as that. all hypothesis and examples are just a waste of time. Jinroh_baisc
With your little naive brain that can't even get a remote grip of what others are saying, of course they are a waste of time. Think about little Timmy, that still has to decide.
Who are you to say he shouldn't, anyway? Do you have a magic wand that can make Timmy lose completely interest in games if he can't "handle it" ?
piracy is a grey area, what if you download a game to see if you like it, if you dont then you didnt waste 50 bucks on a pos game, but if its good, you go buy the full version? or what about the case of old software, like dos based games that publishers still want full price for? take ultimate doom, i went to id games and they want 20 bucks for it, but i could go spend 20 bucks and get a bargin bin game from this gen! how is that fair i ask you? espesualy when i owned doom when it was out for dos, but cant play it with out the doom 95 launcher.i can see a few bucks for a digital distro of old games but why charge people full price for this? the same goes for an os, why does microsoft charge so much for a freakin os when linux is free? only reason i have a windows machine is because no one in my family knows how to use my linux box so i have a xp machine for that. really fun part is i scratched my xp cd and now cant reinstall untill i get another copy. should i have to pay for xp pro again? at full price? there has to be some kind of middle ground where software companies dont try to ring every buck out of consumers and copy right infringment is taken more seriously, i mean come on, i have friends who try to get me to watch movies on dvd that just hit theaters, that is stealing big time, but what if i am down loading say "goonies" a movie that has more than made its share on the market? how can they say its worth just as much to the studio when i go to court for the piracy of that dvd? its all a matter of laws and economy needing to catch up to technology, embrace digital distro, cheap digital distro, so that way if a game has already made plenty of cash those of us who didnt have the money to waste spending 50 bucks can pay 10 and get a digital download, if a game has been out for a year, and the company already made its money plus plenty, why do they need to suck us dry, dont blame the pirates alone for you spending you hard earned cash, why is it companies try to get every penny for as long as possible?
oh and just a side note, if you are looking for a replacement copy legaly, try used websites, they have good deals and your original cd key should be fine.
plain bla bla bla without elaboration... you stole 5 seconds of my life... you must be a pirate[QUOTE="siafni"][QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]
Pirates are scum, trash, losers and criminals, as are the people who try to justify/glorify piracy.
Jinroh_basic
it's in the common sense, the international law and the user agreement. mull it over yourself. it's not my job to smart you up. and you've been reported by calling me a pirate.
Boy your panties sure are in a bunch. Can't take a joke/a little bit of sarcasm? :lol:
[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]
[QUOTE="siafni"] plain bla bla bla without elaboration... you stole 5 seconds of my life... you must be a pirateTrue_Sounds
it's in the common sense, the international law and the user agreement. mull it over yourself. it's not my job to smart you up. and you've been reported by calling me a pirate.
Boy your panties sure are in a bunch. Can't take a joke/a little bit of sarcasm? :lol:
I don't wear panties ;)
[QUOTE="True_Sounds"]
[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]
it's in the common sense, the international law and the user agreement. mull it over yourself. it's not my job to smart you up. and you've been reported by calling me a pirate.
Jinroh_basic
Boy your panties sure are in a bunch. Can't take a joke/a little bit of sarcasm? :lol:
I don't wear panties ;)
sure sounds like it.When your greedy like the music industry was these things are going to happen to you, i remember when a CD was like 17.99 or 22.99 like what the ****. But now prices are more reasonable and people like to show off a music collection so it has kind of rebounded.
You moan that o your taking money away from these people and blah blah, they still get paid if the game flops or if its great, just effects there job security, if you make a crap game dont expect to have the job, if i dont preform at my job dont expect to keep it, very simple. Reminds me of going to the movie theatre and the lightening guy, or set designer guy comes up saying please dont pirate this movie, because were not the big film stars, we dont get all the money. He neglects to tell you that he has already been paid for his work and he doesnt make any royalties on the film or anything. It is complete and udder crap. The money your taking from people when you do pirate movies is the huge distributors such as Fox, Warner Bro ect or game publishers such as EA. That is why they are the people who take the pirates to court. I do not condone piracy but i dont support the spew of BS that comes from these developers who make a poor product nor the same garbage that comes from the massive publishers you dont milk the end user for every dime.
That this thread has now become more than 10 pages long, so quickly, and that the debate still continues, is an indication itself how many people visiting this forum are pirates.
It's just frustrating that people can't understand that pirating a game for any reason - yup, even if you already own a copy... even if you had no intentions of buying the game in the first place... doesn't matter - is pirating, and is just wrong. You don't do it. Period. End of discussion. There are no excuses. Zip. Zilch. None.
People just don't seem to understand that. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse. The arguments that people are advancing are frightening, because they actually believe in what they're writing. It's just disgraceful.
"The arguments that people are advancing are frightening, because they actually believe in what they're writing. It's just disgraceful."
Actually, that's my biggest issue overall. If someone just says "yeah I pirate but whatever..." at least I know I am dealing with an honest person who probably has their head screwed on enough to know what they are doing ain't exactly kosher. That type of person one day will probably just grow out of it, and eventually become a productive member of society.
But the people that actually validate what they are doing with all sorts of insane and stupid excuses...there's just no hope for them. They'll never get it, and are destined to be losers for ever. Not sure if it's bad parenting, mental illness, or whatever...but there's definitely something not right with people who honestly believe that kind of crazy. I have met these kinds of people as adults...they are usually broken people who pretty much failed at life...of course it wasn't their fault...NOoooo! They got a long list of reasons why their life is screwed up, and all sorts of reasons why the crappy things they did were reasonable. All you can do is nod your head at them because at that point they are totally lost in the sauce.
I really hope some of you eventually pull your heads out of your arse, because if you continue on with this stupid mindset of validating your poor behavior with crazy conspiracies and stupid excuses...your future ain't looking so bright.
If you are a pirate...just be a honest pirate...at least there's a shred of dignity somewhere there lol.
You are both basically saying "I'm ignoring whatever you say because I fear if I get that there are actually reasons then I'll start to doubt my overzealous attitude".
@Charles
Again, presumptuous assumptions taken out of the hat with no reason other than "you think differently from me and I have laws on my side".
You are simply ignoring whatever argument the neutral guys are bringing forth saying it's just excuses after excuses.
It seems to me YOU are the one that is just pulling excuse after excuse, with your incredibly solid "ITS WRONG BECAUSE I THINK SO" attitude.
@dnuggs
Proof link please? Up to now you have always been so elitist about our speculations, and now you say "probably" and "not sure" ?
You also come up with "crazy conspiracies" and "stupid excuses"? As I said up here, you are the only one pulling excuse after excuse out of your hat to ignore what "we" are saying. It seems to me you even avoided entirely answering to my "Timmy" post, I guess that's just another stupid excuse of mine too eh?
Not only that, you even go as far as saying "They got a long list of reasons why their life is screwed up, and all sorts of reasons why the crappy things they did were reasonable" after having stubbornly refused to apply your own model to devs' companies, saying "ITS ALL THE LAMERING PIRATES FAULT"?
Mograine, I have posted numerous factual evidence, you have none. Nothing. Zip.
Also, I have not once said:
ITS ALL THE LAMERING PIRATES FAULT"?
I can't continue this conversation with you because you can't even be bothered to read what I said...or maybe you simply can't understand. But go on posting nothing but your own silly speculation, while the smart reasonable people can see plain as day the mountain of correlating evidence behind mine.
Again, it's a multitude of developers from a multitude of areas (big, small, indie, gamer friendly), it's market research, heck...it's the torrent themselves (you can see plain as day how many people are downloading games). All the information out there shows one thing...piracy rates are astronomical these days, and it's a problem in the industry. Not saying it's the only problem, not saying it's killing the PC, not saying anything like that. Simply pointing out it is in fact hurting the industry though, and if you do it you are taking part in that cumulative effect.
Oh, and I also expressed my disdain for piracy apologists/excuse makers. If you pirate from time to time or whatever it's none of my business...but when you come on these forums and start spouting all that stupid inane crap...that kind of ticks me off.
That this thread has now become more than 10 pages long, so quickly, and that the debate still continues, is an indication itself how many people visiting this forum are pirates.
It's just frustrating that people can't understand that pirating a game for any reason - yup, even if you already own a copy... even if you had no intentions of buying the game in the first place... doesn't matter - is pirating, and is just wrong. You don't do it. Period. End of discussion. There are no excuses. Zip. Zilch. None.
People just don't seem to understand that. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse. The arguments that people are advancing are frightening, because they actually believe in what they're writing. It's just disgraceful.
Charles_Dickens
Am I a terrible person if I buy games but then pirate some of them, once in awhile? What if I don't buy any games, I pirate them all. Or I only buy games if I want the multiplayer? I don't see how this is such a black and white issue. To me there's a helluva thick line between good and bad morality in terms of pirating games, and there's no need to jump your guns and label people pirate as if it's supposed to be degrading.
I don't think you're doing anything heroic or accomplishing anything by repeatedly posting how downloading is rubbish. The most pro-active thing you could do is shut up and buy every game you play, and leave it at that. Or at least have the balls to discuss it on a turf that allows fully constructed retorts without infractions. I'm speaking in general because I know you are a huge troll already.
[QUOTE="General_X"][QUOTE="tony2077ca"]Obviously you are a terrible, horrible person for doing such a thing. Since you stole the game illegally on the internet you just cost the company a sale and are killing PC gaming. See your download directly relates to a lost sale, you should have thought ahead and bought two copies just incase one of the discs failed or you lost it. :roll: Yes the people who pirate games just to play them for free are wrong, but to say that every downloaded copy of a game is a lost sale is also wrong. Also bladechaos, you can edit a post with the drop down menu on the bottom right side of the post, no need for the triple post. are you pulling my leg or is that how you really feelSorry I tried to make it extremely sarcastic at the beginning, yes I was joking. Also @ Charles downloading a game you already own just to be able to continue playing it is still stealing? Wow you must have your head so far up your ass you won't ever have to pay for a colonoscopy.i only use torrents if i have the game but it won't work because its scratched is that a bad thing
tony2077ca
[QUOTE="Charles_Dickens"]
That this thread has now become more than 10 pages long, so quickly, and that the debate still continues, is an indication itself how many people visiting this forum are pirates.
It's just frustrating that people can't understand that pirating a game for any reason - yup, even if you already own a copy... even if you had no intentions of buying the game in the first place... doesn't matter - is pirating, and is just wrong. You don't do it. Period. End of discussion. There are no excuses. Zip. Zilch. None.
People just don't seem to understand that. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse. The arguments that people are advancing are frightening, because they actually believe in what they're writing. It's just disgraceful.
True_Sounds
Am I a terrible person if I buy games but then pirate some of them, once in awhile? What if I don't buy any games, I pirate them all. Or I only buy games if I want the multiplayer? I don't see how this is such a black and white issue. To me there's a helluva thick line between good and bad morality in terms of pirating games, and there's no need to jump your guns and label people pirate as if it's supposed to be degrading.
I don't think you're doing anything heroic or accomplishing anything by repeatedly posting how downloading is rubbish. The most pro-active thing you could do is shut up and buy every game you play, and leave it at that. Or at least have the balls to discuss it on a turf that allows fully constructed retorts without infractions. I'm speaking in general because I know you are a huge troll already.
more excuses and hypothesis from the pirate apologist camp. leave it at that? we don't take orders from criminals and their supporters - get this thing straight if there's nothing else you blokes can figure out without breaking laws.
"Mograine, I have posted numerous factual evidence, you have none. Nothing. Zip."
Evidence of WHAT? You have, so far, only posted a single 2D Boy report of what their piracy rates are estimated to be, and mentioned the number of games being/that have been torrented. Not only once you have posted a link of how much money has the industry LOST because of piracy, counting EVERY factor and probably hundreds more than those I have listed previously somewhere.
"Also, I have not once said:
ITS ALL THE LAMERING PIRATES FAULT?
I can't continue this conversation with you because you can't even be bothered to read what I said...or maybe you simply can't understand. But go on posting nothing but your own silly speculation, while the smart reasonable people can see plain as day the mountain of correlating evidence behind mine."
You're claiming to be smart and reasonable and you can't even get an hyperbole when it's written in caps...
What now, should I post the O'RLY owl to show you what "screw your head right" means?
"Again, it's a multitude of developers from a multitude of areas (big, small, indie, gamer friendly), it's market research, heck...it's the torrent themselves (you can see plain as day how many people are downloading games). All the information out there shows one thing...piracy rates are astronomical these days, and it's a problem in the industry. Not saying it's the only problem, not saying it's killing the PC, not saying anything like that. Simply pointing out it is in fact hurting the industry though, and if you do it you are taking part in that cumulative effect. "
I actually have to agree. Yet, I'd love to know why you keep refusing the ideas some of us brought forth that the effect also cumulates with "bad publisher strategies" (Iron Lore, Flagship Studios and Crytek are the first to raise their hand, but they surely aren't the only one) and "bad developer choices" (here comes Epic Games).
"Oh, and I also expressed my disdain for piracy apologists/excuse makers. If you pirate from time to time or whatever it's none of my business...but when you come on these forums and start spouting all that stupid inane crap...that kind of ticks me off. "
You're welcome.
Same thing from Bethseda:
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/10/13/bethesda-deals-with-pirates/
The amount of times we see stuff coming through where it's like, the resolution to the problem was the guy had a pirated copy of the game…" said a visibly frustrated Hines. "The amount of money we spend supporting people who didn't pay us for the game in the first place…it's f--ing ludicrous. We talk to other developers, guys who are like 'Yeah, it's a third, it's 50% of our customer support.'"
Bethseda
Heck, it even effects and wastes mod maker's time!
http://www.portalprelude.com/2008/10/about-pirating-and-stuff.php
Seriously guys, stop sending us emails because you can't install the game, because you can't launch the game, or because you have weird errors everywhere. We're not going to help you make the mod work on pirated versions of Portal or without Steam. This mod needs an original and legit Portal because it also uses some of the content of Half-Life 2 that extends Portal. Of course, this content doesn't seem to be included in the pirated version of Portal.Portal Prelude
[QUOTE="Charles_Dickens"]
That this thread has now become more than 10 pages long, so quickly, and that the debate still continues, is an indication itself how many people visiting this forum are pirates.
It's just frustrating that people can't understand that pirating a game for any reason - yup, even if you already own a copy... even if you had no intentions of buying the game in the first place... doesn't matter - is pirating, and is just wrong. You don't do it. Period. End of discussion. There are no excuses. Zip. Zilch. None.
People just don't seem to understand that. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse. The arguments that people are advancing are frightening, because they actually believe in what they're writing. It's just disgraceful.
True_Sounds
Am I a terrible person if I buy games but then pirate some of them, once in awhile? What if I don't buy any games, I pirate them all. Or I only buy games if I want the multiplayer? I don't see how this is such a black and white issue. To me there's a helluva thick line between good and bad morality in terms of pirating games, and there's no need to jump your guns and label people pirate as if it's supposed to be degrading.
I don't think you're doing anything heroic or accomplishing anything by repeatedly posting how downloading is rubbish. The most pro-active thing you could do is shut up and buy every game you play, and leave it at that. Or at least have the balls to discuss it on a turf that allows fully constructed retorts without infractions. I'm speaking in general because I know you are a huge troll already.
I had to re-read your post three times because I couldn't believe what you wrote. You just admitted that you're a pirate, and that you believe that there's nothing wrong with that. And then you challenge me to take this discussion outside of Gamespot where you can berate me without fear of moderation. And then you call me a troll! Oh... my... god... Just completely unbelievable. Just completely mind-boggling. You're now on ignore for me. There's no way that I'm going to respond to any comment that's written by a person who feels that it's okay to pirate software. Not gonna happen.Or, we can be reasonable human beings and look at the mountain of correlating evidence and make a responsible decision not to support the selfish and misguided souls on this forum and instead support the people...you know...actually working hard to create these wonderful games for us.
The only person on a bandwagon is YOU. Also, it kind of sounds like you are foaming at the mouth now...at least that's what I picture when I read jumbled over excited nonsense like you just posted :lol:
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