explain pc pirating to me!

[QUOTE="True_Sounds"]

[QUOTE="Charles_Dickens"]

That this thread has now become more than 10 pages long, so quickly, and that the debate still continues, is an indication itself how many people visiting this forum are pirates.

It's just frustrating that people can't understand that pirating a game for any reason - yup, even if you already own a copy... even if you had no intentions of buying the game in the first place... doesn't matter - is pirating, and is just wrong. You don't do it. Period. End of discussion. There are no excuses. Zip. Zilch. None.

People just don't seem to understand that. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse. The arguments that people are advancing are frightening, because they actually believe in what they're writing. It's just disgraceful.

Jinroh_basic

Am I a terrible person if I buy games but then pirate some of them, once in awhile? What if I don't buy any games, I pirate them all. Or I only buy games if I want the multiplayer? I don't see how this is such a black and white issue. To me there's a helluva thick line between good and bad morality in terms of pirating games, and there's no need to jump your guns and label people pirate as if it's supposed to be degrading.

I don't think you're doing anything heroic or accomplishing anything by repeatedly posting how downloading is rubbish. The most pro-active thing you could do is shut up and buy every game you play, and leave it at that. Or at least have the balls to discuss it on a turf that allows fully constructed retorts without infractions. I'm speaking in general because I know you are a huge troll already.

more excuses and hypothesis from the pirate apologist camp. leave it at that? we don't take orders from criminals and their supporters - get this thing straight if there's nothing else you blokes can figure out without breaking laws.

Have you EVER downloaded a song, a movie? I`m willing to bet yes. Even if you haven`t most everyone else on gamespot had. Downloading games is the same thing, except maybe you in particular have more sympathy for the gaming industry, seeing as you are active on a gaming forum. Sure you can say it`s breaking the law and that`s that. But if you see downloading something as breaking the law then in generalities everyone with an internet connection has broken the law at one point. I don`t sympathize with pirates, I just don`t think it`s a bigger deal than downloading DS games, PSP games, music, audiobooks, tvshows, photoshop, movies, or anything else. And I`m not gonna tell the whole world population what they are doing is wrong.

Ohh, a tester and a PR's point of view, how refreshing.
In all due respect, I think people pirating games and asking for support deserves a hugespanking and I'd love to be the one in charge to "pay them back" for good. It's a shame I'm only 17. Even though as I said I have a neutral stance on piracy, people asking support ticks me off too, a lot, probably because such friggin *****s are casuals and that ticks me off a lot too.

Nevertheless, that SiN didn't really stand a chance in the first place -- this is the first time I hear of it(actually, it's the first time I hear of this software house, too) and by the reports that say a lot of devs left Ritual it's safe to say they didn't really work well together, company bought or not, and that reflects on the quality of the release and its success. I'd also add that probably the theme of the game was somewhat of a factor too (I can't imagine a guy leaving a shop with that game in hand and a straight face tbh, it's embarassing just thinking about it).

About Bethesda, as I said up here I kind of feel his anger too and I hope all those diagnosed retards get caught and labeled.

Please don't confuse pirates that ask for support with those who don't. While both lack morals (lol), those who don't at least avoid showing their face as retarded monkeys wasting people's time over their own lack of gray matter.

By the way, you forgot the hardware manufacturers' reports.

[QUOTE="True_Sounds"]

[QUOTE="Charles_Dickens"]

That this thread has now become more than 10 pages long, so quickly, and that the debate still continues, is an indication itself how many people visiting this forum are pirates.

It's just frustrating that people can't understand that pirating a game for any reason - yup, even if you already own a copy... even if you had no intentions of buying the game in the first place... doesn't matter - is pirating, and is just wrong. You don't do it. Period. End of discussion. There are no excuses. Zip. Zilch. None.

People just don't seem to understand that. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse. The arguments that people are advancing are frightening, because they actually believe in what they're writing. It's just disgraceful.

Charles_Dickens

Am I a terrible person if I buy games but then pirate some of them, once in awhile? What if I don't buy any games, I pirate them all. Or I only buy games if I want the multiplayer? I don't see how this is such a black and white issue. To me there's a helluva thick line between good and bad morality in terms of pirating games, and there's no need to jump your guns and label people pirate as if it's supposed to be degrading.

I don't think you're doing anything heroic or accomplishing anything by repeatedly posting how downloading is rubbish. The most pro-active thing you could do is shut up and buy every game you play, and leave it at that. Or at least have the balls to discuss it on a turf that allows fully constructed retorts without infractions. I'm speaking in general because I know you are a huge troll already.

You missed the word "if", I was personifying a pirate, not saying I am one.

@titanquest man: I`m basically saying that it`s become the norm and other industries have been adapting. You can`t expect the pc game industry to stay stationary and point all the blame at everyone who downloads when other industries evolve to cope as technology changes.

Ohh, a tester and a PR's point of view, how refreshing.
In all due respect, I think people pirating games and asking for support deserves a hugespanking and I'd love to be the one in charge to "pay them back" for good. It's a shame I'm only 17. Even though as I said I have a neutral stance on piracy, people asking support ticks me off too, a lot, probably because such friggin *****s are casuals and that ticks me off a lot too.

Nevertheless, that SiN didn't really stand a chance in the first place -- this is the first time I hear of it(actually, it's the first time I hear of this software house, too) and by the reports that say a lot of devs left Ritual it's safe to say they didn't really work well together, company bought or not, and that reflects on the quality of the release and its success. I'd also add that probably the theme of the game was somewhat of a factor too (I can't imagine a guy leaving a shop with that game in hand and a straight face tbh, it's embarassing just thinking about it).

About Bethesda, as I said up here I kind of feel his anger too and I hope all those diagnosed retards get caught and labeled.

Please don't confuse pirates that ask for support with those who don't. While both lack morals (lol), those who don't at least avoid showing their face as retarded monkeys wasting people's time over their own lack of gray matter.

By the way, you forgot the hardware manufacturers' reports.

Mograine

Excuses Excuses Excuses

Fact is, piracy is a problem, and is causing damage to the people creating games (in many, many ways). Also, Mike Russell isn't just some low level tester, Pete Hines is Vice President of Marketing at Bethseda, and I even threw freaking modders into the mix. You are literally nothing but excuses...and it's so sad especially in the face of such overwhelming evidence.

Denial. You are in it.

[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]

[QUOTE="True_Sounds"]

Am I a terrible person if I buy games but then pirate some of them, once in awhile? What if I don't buy any games, I pirate them all. Or I only buy games if I want the multiplayer? I don't see how this is such a black and white issue. To me there's a helluva thick line between good and bad morality in terms of pirating games, and there's no need to jump your guns and label people pirate as if it's supposed to be degrading.

I don't think you're doing anything heroic or accomplishing anything by repeatedly posting how downloading is rubbish. The most pro-active thing you could do is shut up and buy every game you play, and leave it at that. Or at least have the balls to discuss it on a turf that allows fully constructed retorts without infractions. I'm speaking in general because I know you are a huge troll already.

True_Sounds

more excuses and hypothesis from the pirate apologist camp. leave it at that? we don't take orders from criminals and their supporters - get this thing straight if there's nothing else you blokes can figure out without breaking laws.

Have you EVER downloaded a song, a movie? I`m willing to bet yes.

Then you lose.

I've never downloaded any music illegally off the net. Not one single song. Ever.

This argument that you're constructing is what's referred two as a 'two-wrongs' fallacy. You're suggesting that because lots of people freely download music, that it's okay to download software as well. Wrong.

And then you write: "But if you see downloading something as breaking the law then in generalities everyone with an internet connection has broken the law at one point." Wrong. Your argument here is that because a bunch of people do something that's destructive or harmful that it's okay for you to do it as well.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Excuses Excuses Excuses

Fact is, piracy is a problem, and is causing damage to the people creating games (in many, many ways). Also, Mike Russell isn't just some low level tester, Pete Hines is Vice President of Marketing at Bethseda, and I even threw freaking modders into the mix. You are literally nothing but excuses...and it's so sad especially in the face of such overwhelming evidence.

Denial. You are in it.

dnuggs40

:lol: I sure hope you're joking at this point. I said I agree with both of them, even more with the modders, and I haven't brought out anything at all as an excuse, could you please explain what exactly does "excuses" mean?

If the world was run by you guys it would be boring. Shouldnt we take down youtube they as there is tons of copyrighted material on there. The Devs develope a game. They get paid, if it fails or live up to its standards. You develope a good game people will buy it. Simple. They secure job security by doing a good job.

Most people do buy games with isp restricting traffic and crap. No where close to 90% and there is no one on either side of this conversation that can give actual numbers because they dont exist. You can look at numbers and see how many downloads something has but there are so many other factors.

In a lot of free countries, is some material such as music, movies, games is in the public domain i.e. the internet then you can download it without it being illegal. No one will ever be able to control the public domain.

are you two having fun should i talk to the mods about this or are you done

"the world was run by you guys it would be boring." If the world was run by you guys it would be even MORE boring...because you guys create nothing, and simply leech off the ones who do. Heck...it would probably be nothing but a bunch of savage primitives running around stealing each other's women and stuff. And what do you know, another "it's not true" with no evidence what-so-ever...how refreshing.dnuggs40

I told you to change your sig, that's not your color.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]"the world was run by you guys it would be boring." If the world was run by you guys it would be even MORE boring...because you guys create nothing, and simply leech off the ones who do. Heck...it would probably be nothing but a bunch of savage primitives running around stealing each other's women and stuff. And what do you know, another "it's not true" with no evidence what-so-ever...how refreshing.flashback01231

I like how you assume i am a pirate, but now you go into how i would live my life, you do draw a lot of conclusions and speak a lot of rubbish.

You show me statistical numbers by an independent source shows me 90% piracy rate. You cant as it doesnt exist. This whole topic is speculation. No one said its right, on this entire thread but you draw a massive conclusion making it seem a lot more then it is.

Except they have shown how they get their numbers. You...NOTHING.

Not every game get's that high...but it's getting worse and worse.

Arn't you the same joker that seems to think borrowing a game is piracy, As i quoted you in before.

I told you to change your sig, that's not your color.dnuggs40

"That's an excuse. You are discounting their account because you question their motives or integrity."

Sarcasm is sarcasm, oranges are orange, apples can be red, yellow and green and owls can turn their head right, then backwards, then left with a total of 270° degrees of screwing.

Anything else you'd like pointed out? I'll try to avoid unobvious double-meanings from now on, really.

"Also an excuse. And while I am not saying they would have thrived had there been no piracy around...it's undeniable that piracy did in fact effect the bottom line...in more ways than one."

I'm not *entirely* disagreeing that piracy played a role in this, but I hope you can understand that given the conditions (lack of dev team integrity, lack of company funds, even lack of advertisement and lack of game seriousness and quality, does the "stuff released before SiN" count as lack of advertisement?) it would have been more surprising if the company managed to have success.

I told you to change your sig, that's not your color.dnuggs40

i know piracy isn't good but blowing it out of proportion doesn't help

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]I told you to change your sig, that's not your color.General_X

[QUOTE="General_X"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]I told you to change your sig, that's not your color.dnuggs40

Problem is that good games that get pirated still get lots of sells, But how much money is too much money and when does the coruption stop? The more money a company gets the more content is missing and more money is made. Say the average game costs 10 million to make, ok if they sell even 500,000 copies they make 30 million which means 20 million profit. So that million dollar home 4-5 sports cars isnt enough? And even the small companies make alot of money but the past failures caused their downfall not pirating. Granted pirating plays a role but its not the "whole picture" past failures, renting,borrowing, niches, pirating play a role in money lose but its not the sole problem of not making money. 04dcarraher

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You know what else is an excuse? piracy. How about Devs quit making bad ports and poorly made games? Ohhh right, thats too hard. Lets just release bad game after bad game and scream piracy? Gonna call that an excuse? is everything except "Zomg, piracy is a horrible thing and should be stopped!" an excuse to you? Personally, IMO, i think there are many things destroying the pc gaming industry. yes i will agree piracy hurts it, i'm just saying that it's not 100% at fault, nor is it quite as bad as the publishers/devs make it out to be. Things hurting the PC gaming industry 1.) Bad ports no-one buys 2.) Lack of good quality games period. 3.) Piracy 4.) Lack of support from some Devs. 5.) Constant pushing of hardware limits, forcing players to constantly update their PC's (or no-one buys the game because they cannot run it. If so, go to 3. ex. Crysis) Theres more, feel free to add.Nibroc420

Actually, I have said quite explicitly piracy isn't the only thing that hurts the industry, on more than one occasion. Either you are using a straw man, or you failed reading.

"You think I want to argue with you that piracy is bad? I know it is and I don't partake in it. But all of the posts you've made have been 98% insults and 2% a half cohesive argument. You're starting arguments with people that half or mostly agree with you and pis$ing them off by insulting their intelligence. You think you're changing anyone's mind by coming off as a complete tool, or are you giving them more of a reason to continue what they're doing by (whether they realize it or not) spiting you? The only person who's used insults as their main argument for a healthy portion of this thread is you."

Actually, you are wrong...so wrong it's hilarious. Put up every single post of mine against any other person who posted against me. You will plainly see my posts have waaay more substance, evidence, and factual information than all of them combined. That includes you, too ;)

Also:

[QUOTE="tony2077ca"][QUOTE="General_X"]Obviously you are a terrible, horrible person for doing such a thing. Since you stole the game illegally on the internet you just cost the company a sale and are killing PC gaming. See your download directly relates to a lost sale, you should have thought ahead and bought two copies just incase one of the discs failed or you lost it. :roll: Yes the people who pirate games just to play them for free are wrong, but to say that every downloaded copy of a game is a lost sale is also wrong. Also bladechaos, you can edit a post with the drop down menu on the bottom right side of the post, no need for the triple post.General_X

Wow General_X...I believe you are a big fat hypocrite. If you are going to criticize people for insults don't do it yourself ;)

Not only that, but you have LITERALLY brought nothing to this entire discussion...then you come prancing in talking about insulting people and not having a substance filled argument?

What? :lol:

I love the way that everyone is coming up with these silly little excuses.

The game is a poor port, and therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The game just sucks in general, so it's okay to pirate it.

People download free music all the time, so what's the difference with a game, there is none, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

Tens of thousands of people have pirated this game, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

I already bought a copy of this game, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The company that made this game doesn't support its customers, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The company that made this game is worth ten billion dollars and won't be hurt if it loses $60 of my money, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

I had no intentions of buying this game anyhow, so the developer never was going to get my money, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

And then when you accuse these people of being pirates they come up with this chestnut: "Oh, I'm not saying I pirate games myself. I don't. I'm just saying, in general..."

Uh, yeah, right.

This is one of the few issues in life that actually IS black and white. There is no 'fine line' here, as some of you have suggested. Piracy, in any form, for any reason, is just wrong. End of discussion. End of debate. You download a program off the net that you haven't paid for then you are a software pirate.

I love the way that everyone is coming up with these silly little excuses.

The game is a poor port, and therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The game just sucks in general, so it's okay to pirate it.

People download free music all the time, so what's the difference with a game, there is none, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

Tens of thousands of people have pirated this game, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

I already bought a copy of this game, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The company that made this game doesn't support its customers, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The company that made this game is worth ten billion dollars and won't be hurt if it loses $60 of my money, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

I had no intentions of buying this game anyhow, so the developer never was going to get my money, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

And then when you accuse these people of being pirates they come up with this chestnut: "Oh, I'm not saying I pirate games myself. I don't. I'm just saying, in general..."

Uh, yeah, right.

This is one of the few issues in life that actually IS black and white. There is no 'fine line' here, as some of you have suggested. Piracy, in any form, for any reason, is just wrong. End of discussion. End of debate. You download a program off the net that you haven't paid for then you are a software pirate.

Charles_Dickens

[QUOTE="Charles_Dickens"]

I love the way that everyone is coming up with these silly little excuses.

The game is a poor port, and therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The game just sucks in general, so it's okay to pirate it.

People download free music all the time, so what's the difference with a game, there is none, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

Tens of thousands of people have pirated this game, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

I already bought a copy of this game, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The company that made this game doesn't support its customers, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The company that made this game is worth ten billion dollars and won't be hurt if it loses $60 of my money, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

I had no intentions of buying this game anyhow, so the developer never was going to get my money, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

And then when you accuse these people of being pirates they come up with this chestnut: "Oh, I'm not saying I pirate games myself. I don't. I'm just saying, in general..."

Uh, yeah, right.

This is one of the few issues in life that actually IS black and white. There is no 'fine line' here, as some of you have suggested. Piracy, in any form, for any reason, is just wrong. End of discussion. End of debate. You download a program off the net that you haven't paid for then you are a software pirate.

tony2077ca

[QUOTE="tony2077ca"][QUOTE="Charles_Dickens"]

I love the way that everyone is coming up with these silly little excuses.

The game is a poor port, and therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The game just sucks in general, so it's okay to pirate it.

People download free music all the time, so what's the difference with a game, there is none, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

Tens of thousands of people have pirated this game, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

I already bought a copy of this game, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The company that made this game doesn't support its customers, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The company that made this game is worth ten billion dollars and won't be hurt if it loses $60 of my money, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

I had no intentions of buying this game anyhow, so the developer never was going to get my money, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

And then when you accuse these people of being pirates they come up with this chestnut: "Oh, I'm not saying I pirate games myself. I don't. I'm just saying, in general..."

Uh, yeah, right.

This is one of the few issues in life that actually IS black and white. There is no 'fine line' here, as some of you have suggested. Piracy, in any form, for any reason, is just wrong. End of discussion. End of debate. You download a program off the net that you haven't paid for then you are a software pirate.

Charles_Dickens

Wow General_X...I believe you are a big fat hypocrite. If you are going to criticize people for insults don't do it yourself ;)

Not only that, but you have LITERALLY brought nothing to this entire discussion...then you come prancing in talking about insulting people and not having a substance filled argument?

What? :lol:

dnuggs40

[QUOTE="Charles_Dickens"][QUOTE="General_X"]*Previously quoted material*General_X

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]Recent games today are getting piracy rates as high as 90%...even if just 5% of those whole stole it were to buy it that can mean the difference between a studio shutting down, and a studio working on their next game. Many many developers have come out and spoke about this. But of course you will ignore them as "lazy greedy monsters" who are lying to make themselves feel better. As long as you pretend that's the reality and demonize the very people who are actually busting thier butts to bring us games, no serious conversation can be made with you.General_X

PC Gamer has a really great podcast that's hosted by Dan Stapleton, Evan Lahti, Logan Decker, Josh Augustine, and a few other PC Gamer editors.

They have a question and answer section on the podcast, and a person phoned in one time, and asked this question: that if he had already bought a game, and, say, the disc had gotten scratched, would it be 'okay' to download a new copy illegally.

I was wondering what the PC Gamer editors were going to say about that, since my first reaction was that of course it's illegal to download something illegally. That's what 'illegal' means.

But the thing is, the editors have surprised me with some of their responses to certain questions, so I wasn't sure what their answer, in this case, was going to be. And actually I was a little surprised at their answer. They basically didn't provide one. They said that downloading software illegally is illegal. That was it. End of discussion. They didn't even enter into a debate about it. The whole thing was over in literally five seconds, and then they moved on to the next question.

And that's exactly how it should be with this issue, which absolutely is black and white.

Piracy is piracy. Doesn't matter what excuses or reasons you have. If you download something illegaly then it's illegal. Get it?

god bye we'll be better off without you [2]

@General

Done with the subject, but then you should not have attacked me. My posts clearly had a lot of substance...more so than most in here. And insults...well you made them too so don't know what high horse your sitting on...

@the goodbye folks

Yeah I'm sure...now you won't have to see those quirky things called facts and evidence. I am sure it will be a lot easier pushing your malarky now.

*edit*

Alright, sorry about that...just wanted to clear those last two things up. If anybody has anything else to say to me (other than insults) hit me up on PM.

Piracy is piracy. Doesn't matter what excuses or reasons you have. If you download something illegal then it's illegal. Get it?

Charles_Dickens

Could you be any more redundant? And by the way it's not illegal to download backup copies of your games if you have purchased a copy. It may be 'piracy' in your mind, but it's not breaking the law. Your grade 1 level one-dimensional logic is flawed.

PC Gamer has a really great podcast that's hosted by Dan Stapleton, Evan Lahti, Logan Decker, Josh Augustine, and a few other PC Gamer editors.

They have a question and answer section on the podcast, and a person phoned in one time, and asked this question: that if he had already bought a game, and, say, the disc had gotten scratched, would it be 'okay' to download a new copy illegally.

I was wondering what the PC Gamer editors were going to say about that, since my first reaction was that of course it's illegal to download something illegally. That's what 'illegal' means.

But the thing is, the editors have surprised me with some of their responses to certain questions, so I wasn't sure what their answer, in this case, was going to be. And actually I was a little surprised at their answer. They basically didn't provide one. They said that downloading software illegally is illegal. That was it. End of discussion. They didn't even enter into a debate about it. The whole thing was over in literally five seconds, and then they moved on to the next question.

And that's exactly how it should be with this issue, which absolutely is black and white.

Piracy is piracy. Doesn't matter what excuses or reasons you have. If you download something illegaly then it's illegal. Get it?

Charles_Dickens

[QUOTE="Charles_Dickens"]

Piracy is piracy. Doesn't matter what excuses or reasons you have. If you download something illegal then it's illegal. Get it?

True_Sounds

Could you be any more redundant? And by the way it's not illegal to download backup copies of your games if you have purchased a copy. It may be 'piracy' in your mind, but it's not breaking the law. Your grade 1 level one-dimensional logic is flawed.

Those are my arguments and I won't reiterate them, that would just be further beating of a dead horse.General_X

Your first point is a bit off. Contrary to popular belief, us random forum denizens are not incredibly smarter than entire development and publishing teams whose day job it is to figure out piracy, so they know that there are other ways to track the number of copies something like half a decade ago. In the example I mentioned, I brought up a silent phone-home - a lot of games I know of did it. And, as I'm fond of noting on this forum, PC gamers don't actually notice what is being done until someone tells us it's been happening, then we fly into a rage over it.

When a developer tosses numbers around, it's usually based off of the number of unique copies of the game that have been run. Not 'downloaded,' actually installed and played. Sometimes based on number of connections to their servers, sometimes an entirely separate check. The numbers can be skewed a little bit by people that change their hardware and install again almost immediately, but the number's incredibly tiny - a fraction of a percent, as EA noted when talking about Mass Effect's activations.

Second paragraph of the first post is so incredibly wrong it makes my head hurt. The publishers know what you're saying, and have known it for the decades. They have sites and reports up, teams of people that have done nothing but go and get major operations shut down in Brazil, China, you name it (mostly Eastern Europe, Asia and South America tho IIRC). They've been doing this for longer than you know, they just don't talk about it because there's no point. With the current BT/newsgroup type of piracy, the worst place by far is Europe. The US is up there too, however. Places like Africa and South America are a tiny drop in the bucket compared to what the more developed parts of the world are doing in terms of individual piracy, and this is what they've started to more seriously pay attention to 5-8 years ago.

Your second post is true. Yeah.

Third post is mildly incorrect. It's usually the smaller Eastern European developers that have implemented the insane DRM - traditionally the big companies are the last ones to the party, so to speak. Though they're also the last ones out - they move a lot slower with these sorts of things. With the example of SecuROM 7, EA was pretty much the last company to start using SecuROM, years after Blizzard, Ubisoft, THQ, 2K, etc had been using it for most of the 2000's. In Eastern Europe, things like Starforce are still entirely commonplace - i.e. when Mass Effect was being released and people were raging about the SecuROM install limits, that Russian distributor/publisher made a lot of noise about 'Hey, we're not putting SecuROM in!' - it was because they were using Starforce instead. lol.

I love the way that everyone is coming up with these silly little excuses.

The game is a poor port, and therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The game just sucks in general, so it's okay to pirate it.

People download free music all the time, so what's the difference with a game, there is none, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

Tens of thousands of people have pirated this game, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

I already bought a copy of this game, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The company that made this game doesn't support its customers, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

The company that made this game is worth ten billion dollars and won't be hurt if it loses $60 of my money, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

I had no intentions of buying this game anyhow, so the developer never was going to get my money, therefore it's okay to pirate it.

And then when you accuse these people of being pirates they come up with this chestnut: "Oh, I'm not saying I pirate games myself. I don't. I'm just saying, in general..."

Uh, yeah, right.

This is one of the few issues in life that actually IS black and white. There is no 'fine line' here, as some of you have suggested. Piracy, in any form, for any reason, is just wrong. End of discussion. End of debate. You download a program off the net that you haven't paid for then you are a software pirate.

Charles_Dickens

PC Gamer has a really great podcast that's hosted by Dan Stapleton, Evan Lahti, Logan Decker, Josh Augustine, and a few other PC Gamer editors.

They have a question and answer section on the podcast, and a person phoned in one time, and asked this question: that if he had already bought a game, and, say, the disc had gotten scratched, would it be 'okay' to download a new copy illegally.

I was wondering what the PC Gamer editors were going to say about that, since my first reaction was that of course it's illegal to download something illegally. That's what 'illegal' means.

But the thing is, the editors have surprised me with some of their responses to certain questions, so I wasn't sure what their answer, in this case, was going to be. And actually I was a little surprised at their answer. They basically didn't provide one. They said that downloading software illegally is illegal. That was it. End of discussion. They didn't even enter into a debate about it. The whole thing was over in literally five seconds, and then they moved on to the next question.

And that's exactly how it should be with this issue, which absolutely is black and white.

Piracy is piracy. Doesn't matter what excuses or reasons you have. If you download something illegaly then it's illegal. Get it?

Charles_Dickens

where are all the thread haijckers when we really need one?

My word some people in here really fail at life. I can't believe how popular piracy has become, that people will come and defend it with passion and make excuse after excuse after excuse. Piracy apologists should really be ashamed of themselves (yes im looking at alot of people in this thread).

All i hear is excuses, how on earth can you be neutral on this issue. You either condone it or you don't i seeany middle ground. The attitude of some forum members on here disgusts me, gamespot are you watching???.

I am venemously against piracy, i make no excuses and i stand up for what i believe. You can flame me all you like it doesn't change that fact that piracy is wrong.