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#1 randino84
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so ive been struggling with the choice of either building a gaming PC or just buying a 360 and i finally decided that i wud build the PC because of how it has more features and whatnot. But now im hearing that devs are gunna start taking the route that modern warfare 2 took and just port console games to PC in order to save money. Do u all think theirs some truth to this or do u think PC gaming will remain superior to console gaming for quite some time? please tell me cuz i wud hate to think id be wasting my time building a PC if in 2 or 3 years PC and console gaming will be the same. :?

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#2 GazaAli
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this is BS. we have seen some great PC games this year including Batman AA, DA:O as i hear, SF4...etc. even if you want to get a console, dont get a 360, at least go for a PS3. basically, PC+PS3=ultimate combo.
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It really all comes down to your preference. I personally enjoy the following aspects of PC gaming:

1. Keyboard and mouse - I like this because it's what's I'm use to. No need for auto-aim or aim-correction and the ability to adjust speed on the mouse. Add in the macro-capability of my keyboard and you can see why it's my preference.

2. Cheaper games - Besides MW2 and some other games, PC games tend to have a lower cost of purchase, as well as a quicker price drop. Mean I can buy more for less.

3. Free online services - The majority of PC games allow for free online services. Be that P2P or Dedicated servers, it is free and will remain that way. Yes MMOs are the exception to this rule but it has been accepted that MMOs have subscription fees for well over a decade

4. Indie games - There are just some games that would never make it to the console. Such as Mount&Blade, X3: Terran Conflict, and other very complex games that controllers would struggle to handle

5. Mods - Ever get bored of a game? If so, they search online for community made patches, graphics and gameplay modifications, additional units/skins/maps, etc. It truly adds to the game and it's great to get it all for free

6. Community - Yes the MW2 debates have severed the PC gaming community but I'm referring to online/mod communities. Look at Counter-Strike, TF2, BF2, and the such. They have long lasting communities, based on dedicated servers. You can get to know someone in a different state or country and continue to play with them if you wish. Unlike consoles where you rely on nothing more then a friend list, you can favorite a server or remember the IP so you play with same people over and over again and create a true community.

Taking all of that into stride, it really all comes down to your choice. If you think the above listed is really worth it then jump on in and build that gaming PC. If not, then feel free to grab a 360 and a HD TV.

PS: I never stated about graphics/gameplay as it really comes down to opinion and usually causes a flame war without any real results.

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It really all comes down to your preference. I personally enjoy the following aspects of PC gaming:

1. Keyboard and mouse - I like this because it's what's I'm use to. No need for auto-aim or aim-correction and the ability to adjust speed on the mouse. Add in the macro-capability of my keyboard and you can see why it's my preference.

2. Cheaper games - Besides MW2 and some other games, PC games tend to have a lower cost of purchase, as well as a quicker price drop. Mean I can buy more for less.

3. Free online services - The majority of PC games allow for free online services. Be that P2P or Dedicated servers, it is free and will remain that way. Yes MMOs are the exception to this rule but it has been accepted that MMOs have subscription fees for well over a decade

4. Indie games - There are just some games that would never make it to the console. Such as Mount&Blade, X3: Terran Conflict, and other very complex games that controllers would struggle to handle

5. Mods - Ever get bored of a game? If so, they search online for community made patches, graphics and gameplay modifications, additional units/skins/maps, etc. It truly adds to the game and it's great to get it all for free

6. Community - Yes the MW2 debates have severed the PC gaming community but I'm referring to online/mod communities. Look at Counter-Strike, TF2, BF2, and the such. They have long lasting communities, based on dedicated servers. You can get to know someone in a different state or country and continue to play with them if you wish. Unlike consoles where you rely on nothing more then a friend list, you can favorite a server or remember the IP so you play with same people over and over again and create a true community.

Taking all of that into stride, it really all comes down to your choice. If you think the above listed is really worth it then jump on in and build that gaming PC. If not, then feel free to grab a 360 and a HD TV.

PS: I never stated about graphics/gameplay as it really comes down to opinion and usually causes a flame war without any real results.

Cdscottie

Agreed. There is certainly a lot of uniqueness to the platform TC that I'll recommend any Gamer to bare entry with PC Gaming.

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I personally don't think any true gamer's gaming life is complete without a good gaming PC rig. The PC is where pretty much everything in consoles came from (with the exception of most platforming and hack+slash games) and the online community is simply incomparable.

That said, if you're expecting to build an amazing rig that's gonna last 2-3 years, expect to make incremental upgrades. It's often more work to be a PC gamer, but it's also often more rewarding.

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You'll see more companies try the approach IW used, but there will still be plenty of others who won't.
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You'll see more companies try the approach IW used, but there will still be plenty of others who won't.zomglolcats
Agreed. I'd have a hard time ever seeing Valve do something like that, but a company like EA wouldn't surprise me
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#8 randino84
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ok so is it safe to say things like mods, free online services and dedicated servers will be part of PC gaming for a long long time?

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ok so is it safe to say things like mods, free online services and dedicated servers will be part of PC gaming for a long long time?

randino84
Yeah as far as I can tell. It would take a drastic shift in the market for that to change, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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#10 randino84
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this is BS. we have seen some great PC games this year including Batman AA, DA:O as i hear, SF4...etc. even if you want to get a console, dont get a 360, at least go for a PS3. basically, PC+PS3=ultimate combo.GazaAli

alredy have a ps3 thats why i was deciding between PC and 360. PC has a lot features that make it way better in my opinion i just wanna be sure those features are around for a long time that way im not wasting my money

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#11 randino84
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[QUOTE="randino84"]

ok so is it safe to say things like mods, free online services and dedicated servers will be part of PC gaming for a long long time?

zomglolcats

Yeah as far as I can tell. It would take a drastic shift in the market for that to change, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

ok thanks man thats a relief now back to comparing parts to put into my future rig :D

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Feature of pc gaming is like you said not going so well, so i would reccomend to stick to a console. WHY? Because personally i like multiplatforms and i got tons of games in my collection with tons of problems, most of them are either badly ported or have pretty consolish control. Examples: Sillent hill homecoming, gta iv, resident evil 5, bionic commando, saints row 2, bully, red faction guirella, ghostbusters,dead space,rise of the argonauts,wheelman,Protoype, turok, godfather 2. Lets just say i would be better of with the console version. Games nowadays keep on getting higher requirements all the time, so basicly i spend a lot of money in hardware and i am keep spending. Anyway thats how i feel, i do understand there are others that got old rigs. Maybe its just me, the fact i like to play open ended games like gta iv at a respectable framerate and graphics and i dont wanna lag like hell in pc exclusives like cryostasis and arma 2....but i still do:( There is modding on pc, which is the reason i bough fallout 3 on pc, but most games dont even support modding :( So what i can say is to simple get a x360 and save yourself the trouble.
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#13 k0r3aN_pR1d3
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Everybody needs a computer. Not everybody needs a 360. I tend to use my computer more for art related projects and such but I still do game on it. A computer offers many different forms of entertainment.
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[QUOTE="dakan45"]Feature of pc gaming is like you said not going so well, so i would reccomend to stick to a console. WHY? Because personally i like multiplatforms and i got tons of games in my collection with tons of problems, most of them are either badly ported or have pretty consolish control. Examples: Sillent hill homecoming, gta iv, resident evil 5, bionic commando, saints row 2, bully, red faction guirella, ghostbusters,dead space,rise of the argonauts,wheelman,Protoype, turok, godfather 2. Lets just say i would be better of with the console version. Games nowadays keep on getting higher requirements all the time, so basicly i spend a lot of money in hardware and i am keep spending. Anyway thats how i feel, i do understand there are others that got old rigs. Maybe its just me, the fact i like to play open ended games like gta iv at a respectable framerate and graphics and i dont wanna lag like hell in pc exclusives like cryostasis and arma 2....but i still do:( There is modding on pc, which is the reason i bough fallout 3 on pc, but most games dont even support modding :( So what i can say is to simple get a x360 and save yourself the trouble.

Oh,you again...
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Oh,you again...Arach666
Ohh man, not you again....
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So much for "The Future of PC gaming"thread #35,768,231.................

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Feature of pc gaming is like you said not going so well, so i would reccomend to stick to a console. WHY? Because personally i like multiplatforms and i got tons of games in my collection with tons of problems, most of them are either badly ported or have pretty consolish control. Examples: Sillent hill homecoming, gta iv, resident evil 5, bionic commando, saints row 2, bully, red faction guirella, ghostbusters,dead space,rise of the argonauts,wheelman,Protoype, turok, godfather 2. Lets just say i would be better of with the console version. Games nowadays keep on getting higher requirements all the time, so basicly i spend a lot of money in hardware and i am keep spending. Anyway thats how i feel, i do understand there are others that got old rigs. Maybe its just me, the fact i like to play open ended games like gta iv at a respectable framerate and graphics and i dont wanna lag like hell in pc exclusives like cryostasis and arma 2....but i still do:( There is modding on pc, which is the reason i bough fallout 3 on pc, but most games dont even support modding :( So what i can say is to simple get a x360 and save yourself the trouble.dakan45
Well, but what you mentioned only applies to the console ports. The games you listed doesn't even take into account the tons of other PC only games (or at least games that are far better on PC). Those you listed were primarily console games.

Yeah if you want a bunch of third person view action/adventure games, go console. But if someone wants things like RTS, good FPS, etc. then PC is a no-brainer.

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[QUOTE="dakan45"]Feature of pc gaming is like you said not going so well, so i would reccomend to stick to a console. WHY? Because personally i like multiplatforms and i got tons of games in my collection with tons of problems, most of them are either badly ported or have pretty consolish control. Examples: Sillent hill homecoming, gta iv, resident evil 5, bionic commando, saints row 2, bully, red faction guirella, ghostbusters,dead space,rise of the argonauts,wheelman,Protoype, turok, godfather 2. Lets just say i would be better of with the console version. Games nowadays keep on getting higher requirements all the time, so basicly i spend a lot of money in hardware and i am keep spending. Anyway thats how i feel, i do understand there are others that got old rigs. Maybe its just me, the fact i like to play open ended games like gta iv at a respectable framerate and graphics and i dont wanna lag like hell in pc exclusives like cryostasis and arma 2....but i still do:( There is modding on pc, which is the reason i bough fallout 3 on pc, but most games dont even support modding :( So what i can say is to simple get a x360 and save yourself the trouble.zomglolcats

Well, but what you mentioned only applies to the console ports. The games you listed doesn't even take into account the tons of other PC only games (or at least games that are far better on PC). Those you listed were primarily console games.

Yeah if you want a bunch of third person view action/adventure games, go console. But if someone wants things like RTS, good FPS, etc. then PC is a no-brainer.

I said if you want multiplatforms, the tc is not considering an x360 for rts. Also i have see the "good" pc fps like stalker clear sky, cryostais and arma 2 that have the same problems as the console ports, Ports can justify themselfs be being ports, but those pc exclusive has similar if not higher amount of bad optimazation and bugs.
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[QUOTE="zomglolcats"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Feature of pc gaming is like you said not going so well, so i would reccomend to stick to a console. WHY? Because personally i like multiplatforms and i got tons of games in my collection with tons of problems, most of them are either badly ported or have pretty consolish control. Examples: Sillent hill homecoming, gta iv, resident evil 5, bionic commando, saints row 2, bully, red faction guirella, ghostbusters,dead space,rise of the argonauts,wheelman,Protoype, turok, godfather 2. Lets just say i would be better of with the console version. Games nowadays keep on getting higher requirements all the time, so basicly i spend a lot of money in hardware and i am keep spending. Anyway thats how i feel, i do understand there are others that got old rigs. Maybe its just me, the fact i like to play open ended games like gta iv at a respectable framerate and graphics and i dont wanna lag like hell in pc exclusives like cryostasis and arma 2....but i still do:( There is modding on pc, which is the reason i bough fallout 3 on pc, but most games dont even support modding :( So what i can say is to simple get a x360 and save yourself the trouble.dakan45

Well, but what you mentioned only applies to the console ports. The games you listed doesn't even take into account the tons of other PC only games (or at least games that are far better on PC). Those you listed were primarily console games.

Yeah if you want a bunch of third person view action/adventure games, go console. But if someone wants things like RTS, good FPS, etc. then PC is a no-brainer.

I said if you want multiplatforms, the tc is not considering an x360 for rts. Also i have see the "good" pc fps like stalker clear sky, cryostais and arma 2 that have the same problems as the console ports, Ports can justify themselfs be being ports, but those pc exclusive has similar if not higher amount of bad optimazation and bugs.

You also glossed over the "good" PC FPS games that don't have problems. Every single one of Valve's for instance. And yes, you can get those on console, but they are far better on PC.
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Oh,you again...Arach666

Leave him alone, or he'll start screaming about you "forcing stuff down his throat" while ignoring all your posts :lol:.

The future of PC gaming is rather hard to define. Unlike consoles, you can stick to a game as long as you want and thanks to modding/mapmakers community and never get bored of it, and although 2009 has been a slow year for some, 2010+ looks absolutely legendary.

It's up to you-I'd pick PC over any console any day because it gets *almost always* the best multiplats, the overall best exclusives, has a huge variety compared to consoles, an enormous library, the best controls and it's not limited to gaming or other multimedial crap.

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You also glossed over the "good" PC FPS games that don't have problems. Every single one of Valve's for instance. And yes, you can get those on console, but they are far better on PC.zomglolcats
Meh, valve fps are just like console fps, eg no leaning... they are pretty simple and not technologically advanced, They got problems, never heard of the famous hl2 stuttering issue? There is no fix if you have the problem. Once again you are better off the console. In HL2 Episode 2 my pc suffered a great amounting ot stuttering for no reason, i just got it for the ps3 latter and i enjoyed much more since the ps3 controller made the combat more satysfing...

[QUOTE="Arach666"]Oh,you again...Mograine

Leave him alone, or he'll start screaming about you "forcing stuff down his throat" while ignoring all your posts :lol:.

The future of PC gaming is rather hard to define. Unlike consoles, you can stick to a game as long as you want and thanks to modding/mapmakers community and never get bored of it, and although 2009 has been a slow year for some, 2010+ looks absolutely legendary.

It's up to you-I'd pick PC over any console any day because it gets *almost always* the best multiplats, the overall best exclusives, has a huge variety compared to consoles, an enormous library, the best controls and it's not limited to gaming or other multimedial crap.

Ahh ok, thats why more and more developers take away the dedicated servers and mod capabilities from the pc version, pc is being killed in the quality of multiplats the last 2 years and it will get worse, also i dont understand how those cheap low budget pc exclusives are better than the "multimedial crap" Also better controls? There are many games that people complain about the bad control on pc lately.

So all your points are incorrect and yet another pc fanatic that lives with denial over the situation because he can just get the past that gaming industry is console focused and every day more and more gamedevelopers will make their games more consolized and kill the pc version.

I was at your situation some years ago but now things have become amazingly clear, there is nothing that pc gaming community can do, consolazation is at hand. Look out there, 90% of games developers make a pc version that is either lacking modding capabilities and dedicated servers or its badly optimized with bugs and broken controls.

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Get a PC.

If the impossible should happen, and consoles take over the world, then buy as 360. After all, what are now....like $50?

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[QUOTE="zomglolcats"] You also glossed over the "good" PC FPS games that don't have problems. Every single one of Valve's for instance. And yes, you can get those on console, but they are far better on PC.dakan45

Meh, valve fps are just like console fps, eg no leaning... they are pretty simple and not technologically advanced, They got problems, never heard of the famous hl2 stuttering issue? There is no fix if you have the problem. Once again you are better off the console. In HL2 Episode 2 my pc suffered a great amounting ot stuttering for no reason, i just got it for the ps3 latter and i enjoyed much more since the ps3 controller made the combat more satysfing...

Well wow. I'm not even going to continue this debate. HL2 combat more satisfying with the PS3 controller?

But really, bugs, poor framerates, etc, exist on consoles too. There are some console games with terrible frame rate issues in addition to other problems. Just because a game is on a console doesn't mean it won't have problems. At least on PC, odds are greater whatever issues you have will be fixed, or possibly even fixed with a fan/community patch.

And if your PC has poor performance, it's rather silly to say consoles are better than PC's just because your computer can't handle it.

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[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="dakan45"]Feature of pc gaming is like you said not going so well, so i would reccomend to stick to a console. WHY? Because personally i like multiplatforms and i got tons of games in my collection with tons of problems, most of them are either badly ported or have pretty consolish control. Examples: Sillent hill homecoming, gta iv, resident evil 5, bionic commando, saints row 2, bully, red faction guirella, ghostbusters,dead space,rise of the argonauts,wheelman,Protoype, turok, godfather 2. Lets just say i would be better of with the console version. Games nowadays keep on getting higher requirements all the time, so basicly i spend a lot of money in hardware and i am keep spending. Anyway thats how i feel, i do understand there are others that got old rigs. Maybe its just me, the fact i like to play open ended games like gta iv at a respectable framerate and graphics and i dont wanna lag like hell in pc exclusives like cryostasis and arma 2....but i still do:( There is modding on pc, which is the reason i bough fallout 3 on pc, but most games dont even support modding :( So what i can say is to simple get a x360 and save yourself the trouble.

Oh,you again...

Dude, that was exactly what I was thinking.
dakan45, please, why don't you go play Bully on console? Leave us alone, as we play shallow games like Crysis and Half-life 2.
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I'll give you one reason to stick to PC games. They are cheap. I bought Mirror's Edge for $7.22 with shipping, and Far Cry 2 for $9 with shipping.
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[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="dakan45"]Feature of pc gaming is like you said not going so well, so i would reccomend to stick to a console. WHY? Because personally i like multiplatforms and i got tons of games in my collection with tons of problems, most of them are either badly ported or have pretty consolish control. Examples: Sillent hill homecoming, gta iv, resident evil 5, bionic commando, saints row 2, bully, red faction guirella, ghostbusters,dead space,rise of the argonauts,wheelman,Protoype, turok, godfather 2. Lets just say i would be better of with the console version. Games nowadays keep on getting higher requirements all the time, so basicly i spend a lot of money in hardware and i am keep spending. Anyway thats how i feel, i do understand there are others that got old rigs. Maybe its just me, the fact i like to play open ended games like gta iv at a respectable framerate and graphics and i dont wanna lag like hell in pc exclusives like cryostasis and arma 2....but i still do:( There is modding on pc, which is the reason i bough fallout 3 on pc, but most games dont even support modding :( So what i can say is to simple get a x360 and save yourself the trouble.chandu83
Oh,you again...

Dude, that was exactly what I was thinking.
dakan45, please, why don't you go play Bully on console? Leave us alone, as we play shallow games like Crysis and Half-life 2.

Yeah I'm not quite sure why he bothers posting on the PC forums as it's pretty clear he's a console person.

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I'll give you one reason to stick to PC games. They are cheap. I bought Mirror's Edge for $7.22 with shipping, and Far Cry 2 for $9 with shipping. chandu83
Yeah with Steam deals, you can get games insanely cheap. Hard to beat that on a console. I mean really, Overlord + Expansion, and Overlord 2 all for $8.75 this past weekend...
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[QUOTE="zomglolcats"] Meh, valve fps are just like console fps, eg no leaning... they are pretty simple and not technologically advanced, They got problems, never heard of the famous hl2 stuttering issue? There is no fix if you have the problem. Once again you are better off the console. In HL2 Episode 2 my pc suffered a great amounting ot stuttering for no reason, i just got it for the ps3 latter and i enjoyed much more since the ps3 controller made the combat more satysfing... [QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"]Oh,you again...dakan45

Leave him alone, or he'll start screaming about you "forcing stuff down his throat" while ignoring all your posts :lol:.

The future of PC gaming is rather hard to define. Unlike consoles, you can stick to a game as long as you want and thanks to modding/mapmakers community and never get bored of it, and although 2009 has been a slow year for some, 2010+ looks absolutely legendary.

It's up to you-I'd pick PC over any console any day because it gets *almost always* the best multiplats, the overall best exclusives, has a huge variety compared to consoles, an enormous library, the best controls and it's not limited to gaming or other multimedial crap.

Ahh ok, thats why more and more developers take away the dedicated servers and mod capabilities from the pc version, pc is being killed in the quality of multiplats the last 2 years and it will get worse, also i dont understand how those cheap low budget pc exclusives are better than the "multimedial crap" Also better controls? There are many games that people complain about the bad control on pc lately.

So all your points are incorrect and yet another pc fanatic that lives with denial over the situation because he can just get the past that gaming industry is console focused and every day more and more gamedevelopers will make their games more consolized and kill the pc version.

I was at your situation some years ago but now things have become amazingly clear, there is nothing that pc gaming community can do, consolazation is at hand. Look out there, 90% of games developers make a pc version that is either lacking modding capabilities and dedicated servers or its badly optimized with bugs and broken controls.

alot of what ur saying is based on ur personal opinion man. u like consoles better then PC's and thats cool but dont bash the stuff that other people like, thats just trolling. as for my situation i personally think i'd be better off building a PC and thats what im probally gunna do but thanx for giving me a diffrent perspective on the whole situation

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[QUOTE="chandu83"][QUOTE="Arach666"] Oh,you again...zomglolcats

Dude, that was exactly what I was thinking.
dakan45, please, why don't you go play Bully on console? Leave us alone, as we play shallow games like Crysis and Half-life 2.

Yeah I'm not quite sure why he bothers posting on the PC forums as it's pretty clear he's a console person.

Just the other day, he said Bully was going to be a great port, and before that he was calling Half-Life 2 overrated. I am not sure what to make out of this.
Not to mention calling Crysis a Far Cry expansion.

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[QUOTE="zomglolcats"]

[QUOTE="chandu83"] Dude, that was exactly what I was thinking.
dakan45, please, why don't you go play Bully on console? Leave us alone, as we play shallow games like Crysis and Half-life 2.chandu83

Yeah I'm not quite sure why he bothers posting on the PC forums as it's pretty clear he's a console person.

Just the other day, he said Bully was going to be a great port, and before that he was calling Half-Life 2 overrated. I am not sure what to make out of this.
Not to mention calling Crysis a Far Cry expansion.

Yeah,go figure...

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But now im hearing that devs are gunna start taking the route that modern warfare 2 took and just port console games to PC in order to save money.

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Can you show me your sources for this?
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so ive been struggling with the choice of either building a gaming PC or just buying a 360 and i finally decided that i wud build the PC because of how it has more features and whatnot. But now im hearing that devs are gunna start taking the route that modern warfare 2 took and just port console games to PC in order to save money. Do u all think theirs some truth to this or do u think PC gaming will remain superior to console gaming for quite some time? please tell me cuz i wud hate to think id be wasting my time building a PC if in 2 or 3 years PC and console gaming will be the same. :?

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No if fact console gamers are making their way to the PC ;). We just need to convert more console gamers to the PC such as yourself. Oh and come over to the PC Hardware discussion so that we can give you suggestions for your new build :)
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i think we will have soon mind controlling games in around 2014-15 with ourself inside the game doing anything which we will capable of.
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#34 dakan45
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[QUOTE="dakan45"]

[QUOTE="zomglolcats"] You also glossed over the "good" PC FPS games that don't have problems. Every single one of Valve's for instance. And yes, you can get those on console, but they are far better on PC.zomglolcats

Meh, valve fps are just like console fps, eg no leaning... they are pretty simple and not technologically advanced, They got problems, never heard of the famous hl2 stuttering issue? There is no fix if you have the problem. Once again you are better off the console. In HL2 Episode 2 my pc suffered a great amounting ot stuttering for no reason, i just got it for the ps3 latter and i enjoyed much more since the ps3 controller made the combat more satysfing...

Well wow. I'm not even going to continue this debate. HL2 combat more satisfying with the PS3 controller?

But really, bugs, poor framerates, etc, exist on consoles too. There are some console games with terrible frame rate issues in addition to other problems. Just because a game is on a console doesn't mean it won't have problems. At least on PC, odds are greater whatever issues you have will be fixed, or possibly even fixed with a fan/community patch.

And if your PC has poor performance, it's rather silly to say consoles are better than PC's just because your computer can't handle it.

...and thats where you are completly wrong. 2004-2009 and still the stuterring issue is not fixed. So if you have that stuttering issue...there is no fix. Also most multiplatforms have problems but the developers dont bother to patch them. So your logic about a game being on pc having more possibilities to be fixed is wrong. Actually a game on pc has more possibilities to end up buggy. My computer? AMD Phenom II X4 3.2ghz Quad core black edition. Nvidia 9800GTX+ 4GB RAM....so crappy isn't it? I even changed into an expensive motheboard and still it sucks? Sorry for not having a gtx260 but i am not gonna invest so much in a pc game when i can play it much easier on a console. Besides game developers like to use CPU power in their games lately... Consoles are made to play games, pc are getting those games badly ported with insane unlogical requirements and full of problems therefore Consoles >PC Thats why i reccomend a console to the pc. more gaming, less trouble. I said hl2 combat is more satysfing with a controller because the game is so easy, the ai is easy too. Infact it feels similar to resistance on the ps3. Yes i think its overatted, its just a fps without anything amazing, just a simplistic shooter with physics puzzles. Simple ai and pretty dated graphics. Nothing that great really, i am suprized the pc gamers dont call it just another linear generic fps. i really am..... I never said crysis is a far cry expansion and i was a pc gamer for many years, but the way we getting screwed nowadays made me move on consoles since thats what the developers aim for anyway... See how you are wrong about everything? The tc asked if its a good idea to buy a console, and from my experiance pc gaming is going from bad to worse with many badly ported games and even higher requirements. So better go for a console isntead. Ohh and by the looks of it, the tc does not seem to like rts games or other similar pc games. He is interested in multiplatforms, which as i pointed are far better to experiance on a console... Ohh and hl2 is overrated, its like halo on the pc :lol: Crysis i can agree, amazing graphics and psychics plus techology and complicated non linear gameplay best played with a mouse..but hl2 is a like a console game by today's standards.
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[QUOTE="zomglolcats"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] Meh, valve fps are just like console fps, eg no leaning... they are pretty simple and not technologically advanced, They got problems, never heard of the famous hl2 stuttering issue? There is no fix if you have the problem. Once again you are better off the console. In HL2 Episode 2 my pc suffered a great amounting ot stuttering for no reason, i just got it for the ps3 latter and i enjoyed much more since the ps3 controller made the combat more satysfing... dakan45

Well wow. I'm not even going to continue this debate. HL2 combat more satisfying with the PS3 controller?

But really, bugs, poor framerates, etc, exist on consoles too. There are some console games with terrible frame rate issues in addition to other problems. Just because a game is on a console doesn't mean it won't have problems. At least on PC, odds are greater whatever issues you have will be fixed, or possibly even fixed with a fan/community patch.

And if your PC has poor performance, it's rather silly to say consoles are better than PC's just because your computer can't handle it.

...and thats where you are completly wrong. 2004-2009 and still the stuterring issue is not fixed. So if you have that stuttering issue...there is no fix. Also most multiplatforms have problems but the developers dont bother to patch them. So your logic about a game being on pc having more possibilities to be fixed is wrong. Actually a game on pc has more possibilities to end up buggy. My computer? AMD Phenom II X4 3.2ghz Quad core black edition. Nvidia 9800GTX+ 4GB RAM....so crappy isn't it? I even changed into an expensive motheboard and still it sucks? Sorry for not having a gtx260 but i am not gonna invest so much in a pc game when i can play it much easier on a console. Besides game developers like to use CPU power in their games lately... Consoles are made to play games, pc are getting those games badly ported with insane unlogical requirements and full of problems therefore Consoles >PC Thats why i reccomend a console to the pc. more gaming, less trouble. I said hl2 combat is more satysfing with a controller because the game is so easy, the ai is easy too. Infact it feels similar to resistance on the ps3. Yes i think its overatted, its just a fps without anything amazing, just a simplistic shooter with physics puzzles. Simple ai and pretty dated graphics. Nothing that great really, i am suprized the pc gamers dont call it just another linear generic fps. i really am..... I never said crysis is a far cry expansion and i was a pc gamer for many years, but the way we getting screwed nowadays made me move on consoles since thats what the developers aim for anyway... See how you are wrong about everything? The tc asked if its a good idea to buy a console, and from my experiance pc gaming is going from bad to worse with many badly ported games and even higher requirements. So better go for a console isntead. Ohh and by the looks of it, the tc does not seem to like rts games or other similar pc games. He is interested in multiplatforms, which as i pointed are far better to experiance on a console... Ohh and hl2 is overrated, its like halo on the pc :lol: Crysis i can agree, amazing graphics and psychics plus techology and complicated non linear gameplay best played with a mouse..but hl2 is a like a console game by today's standards.

No, I don't really see how I'm wrong about everything, and I'm not wasting my time arguing with you. You don't like PC gaming, that's fine. A lot of other people do. That's kind of why we visit the PC gaming forum.
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No, I don't really see how I'm wrong about everything, and I'm not wasting my time arguing with you. You don't like PC gaming, that's fine. A lot of other people do. That's kind of why we visit the PC gaming forum.zomglolcats
No? Ofcourse you dont, you dont buy multiplatform games like i do, and trust me i buy alot of them, if you did then you would see how many of those games are full of problems on pc and how unoptimized they are, also the fact that there are no patches to fix the issues. As for the rest, its just a cheap excuse to say that you cant really debate with me and just back away thinking i am a troll. Thats where you are wrong too. I love pc gaming but i play casual games, all those games have those problems and the pc versions are a cheap joke. At the end having a pc for those games is a nightmare and you d be better of with a console. Thats what i said to pc to begin with, The tc did not ask if it worths to have a pc for pc games like eg: torchlight, he asked if its worth to have a pc to play multiplatforms in order to save money, but with the requirements and problems multiplatform games have on pc , let alone the price tag which is leanning towards being the same as the consoles.....well you are better of with a console. Thats what i said, not that i hate pc or anything, but ofcourse you got to hate me for making your favorite system to sound bad, sorry but for multiplatform games pc is a suicide and a no go, thats why people buy those games on consoles.
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#37 chandu83
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I first played Half Life 2 on this machine:

Intel Pentium 4 1.6GHz,

512MB DDR RAM

GeForce 2MX 64MB

I am not kidding when I say I played the game fine at low settings at 800x600. No stuttering.

I then played the game on

Pentium 4 3.0GHz HT,

1GB DDR RAM,

GeForceFX 5500OC

I played the game on medium at 1280x1024. No stuttering.

I finally finished the game on this machine:

Pentium 4 3.0GHz HT

1.75GB DDR RAM

GeForce 7600

Guess what? No stuttering either.

The only problem I had was were the elevator AI bugs. Those were patched. So..personally, I have no idea what you are talking about.

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Right, right, so just because you did not experiance any that does not mean that all those people out there are wrong. You cant deny actual facts, many people have noticed the problem. It seems you dont now anything about it so let me elaborate. Some people noticed the problem in 2004 when the game was realeased. Some did not. Vavle said they will fix the problem. years gone by and the problem was still there. People tried to rule out the problems. The problem appears in both amd and intel. It appears in both ati and nvidia and in all driver versions. In both brand new formatted systems and some with errors. They also rulled out diffirent cpu models or video cards, or some motherboard and other hardware of apps conflict. So what we know is that the probleam "may" or may NOT appear at all on every system with every specification and installed apps, etc,etc. So 2004-2009, the problem is still there and valve has not figured out what went wrong with source engine. If you dont have the problem, thats all fine. But if you have the problem....you cant fix it, end of story, there is no fix at all nobody knows how or has come up with a way that it will fix the problem, you can might as well format your pc. ....and thats valve's polish to pc gaming. So i prefered myself to save me the trouble and bought episode 2 on a console, i dont regret it, combat was more challenging that way.
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yes, I don;t know anything about it because I did not experience it. I just enjoyed the game on PC. Sorry to know that you didn't.
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#40 dakan45
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yes, I don;t know anything about it because I did not experience it. I just enjoyed the game on PC. Sorry to know that you didn't. chandu83
Actually i enjoyed episode 2 alot...but on the ps3, it stuttered so much on pc while hl2 and episode 1 worked well.
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#41 badtaker
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If you Like RTS,MMO genre then go for PC otherwise stick to consoles.
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[QUOTE="dakan45"]Right, right, so just because you did not experiance any that does not mean that all those people out there are wrong. You cant deny actual facts, many people have noticed the problem. It seems you dont now anything about it so let me elaborate. Some people noticed the problem in 2004 when the game was realeased. Some did not. Vavle said they will fix the problem. years gone by and the problem was still there. People tried to rule out the problems. The problem appears in both amd and intel. It appears in both ati and nvidia and in all driver versions. In both brand new formatted systems and some with errors. They also rulled out diffirent cpu models or video cards, or some motherboard and other hardware of apps conflict. So what we know is that the probleam "may" or may NOT appear at all on every system with every specification and installed apps, etc,etc. So 2004-2009, the problem is still there and valve has not figured out what went wrong with source engine. If you dont have the problem, thats all fine. But if you have the problem....you cant fix it, end of story, there is no fix at all nobody knows how or has come up with a way that it will fix the problem, you can might as well format your pc. ....and thats valve's polish to pc gaming. So i prefered myself to save me the trouble and bought episode 2 on a console, i dont regret it, combat was more challenging that way.

Can I see your source or perhaps a video showcasing this issue? Also, earlier you didn't explain why PCs tend to have buggier games. I find this interesting seeing as how all console games are programmed using PCs. Quake 4 was a terrible console game, but a pretty good PC multiplatform game. Same thing with Supreme Commander.
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#43 Arach666
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[QUOTE="chandu83"]yes, I don;t know anything about it because I did not experience it. I just enjoyed the game on PC. Sorry to know that you didn't. dakan45
Actually i enjoyed episode 2 alot...but on the ps3, it stuttered so much on pc while hl2 and episode 1 worked well.

Sadly for you,Episode 3 is PC exclusive...
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#44 dakan45
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Hl2 stuttering issue report

As for games? Well i dont know what to begin with, even resident evil 5 has a problem that makes the game crash on startup, some claim that if you have a 22 monitor there is a problem and the solution is to change monitor:shock: nice job capcom. Other games like dead space have more minor problems, like the mouse accelaration which is more severe in games like ghostbusters, others have broken controls like rise of the argonauts, others simply crash randomly like silent hill homecoming or have weird lag spikes and others perfom like crap and have terrible texture and pc resources managament allocation like gta iv or saints row 2.

Whatever the case regarding multiplatforms its advisable to avoid the pc version due to endless issues because the developers are too bored to port the game right on the pc.

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[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="chandu83"]yes, I don;t know anything about it because I did not experience it. I just enjoyed the game on PC. Sorry to know that you didn't. Arach666
Actually i enjoyed episode 2 alot...but on the ps3, it stuttered so much on pc while hl2 and episode 1 worked well.

Sadly for you,Episode 3 is PC exclusive...

Really? Why it did not make money on the consoles, i bet they port it latter, but i ll just buy it for the pc and complain about the stuttering again if i happen to encounter it again :lol: story of my life....
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[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="dakan45"] Actually i enjoyed episode 2 alot...but on the ps3, it stuttered so much on pc while hl2 and episode 1 worked well.

Sadly for you,Episode 3 is PC exclusive...

Really? Why it did not make money on the consoles, i bet they port it latter, but i ll just buy it for the pc and complain about the stuttering again if i happen to encounter it again :lol: story of my life....

Well,no stuttering for me so far...you must be very unlucky man...
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Hl2 stuttering issue report

As for games? Well i dont know what to begin with, even resident evil 5 has a problem that makes the game crash on startup, some claim that if you have a 22 monitor there is a problem and the solution is to change monitor:shock: nice job capcom. Other games like dead space have more minor problems, like the mouse accelaration which is more severe in games like ghostbusters, others have broken controls like rise of the argonauts, others simply crash randomly like silent hill homecoming or have weird lag spikes and others perfom like crap and have terrible texture and pc resources managament allocation like gta iv or saints row 2.

Whatever the case regarding multiplatforms its advisable to avoid the pc version due to endless issues because the developers are too bored to port the game right on the pc.

dakan45

That issue was fixed in an official patch.

Also, I didn't ask for evidence, of course there are buggy PC games, I'm just asking for solid evidence that PC ports are MORE buggy than console ports. I'd say they both have their bugs, but neither is prevalent over the other. Also, I'm not talking about system-related issues.

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#48 DiffusionE
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Crysis 2 should have been the future of PC gaming had they made it PC exclusive. But it seems like it's just gonna be another MW2. Hopefully, Battlefield 3 will probably be PC exclusive again and we can finally leave these outdated consoles behind.
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#49 RobertBowen
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It really all comes down to your preference. I personally enjoy the following aspects of PC gaming:

1. Keyboard and mouse - I like this because it's what's I'm use to. No need for auto-aim or aim-correction and the ability to adjust speed on the mouse. Add in the macro-capability of my keyboard and you can see why it's my preference.

2. Cheaper games - Besides MW2 and some other games, PC games tend to have a lower cost of purchase, as well as a quicker price drop. Mean I can buy more for less.

3. Free online services - The majority of PC games allow for free online services. Be that P2P or Dedicated servers, it is free and will remain that way. Yes MMOs are the exception to this rule but it has been accepted that MMOs have subscription fees for well over a decade

4. Indie games - There are just some games that would never make it to the console. Such as Mount&Blade, X3: Terran Conflict, and other very complex games that controllers would struggle to handle

5. Mods - Ever get bored of a game? If so, they search online for community made patches, graphics and gameplay modifications, additional units/skins/maps, etc. It truly adds to the game and it's great to get it all for free

6. Community - Yes the MW2 debates have severed the PC gaming community but I'm referring to online/mod communities. Look at Counter-Strike, TF2, BF2, and the such. They have long lasting communities, based on dedicated servers. You can get to know someone in a different state or country and continue to play with them if you wish. Unlike consoles where you rely on nothing more then a friend list, you can favorite a server or remember the IP so you play with same people over and over again and create a true community.

Cdscottie

That pretty much covers most of the advantages. However, you neglected to mention the vast back catalogue of PC titles that are available. If the OP doesn't mind some dated graphics, there is a wealth of great PC games released over the past decade to pick up and play in addition to all the future titles.

As for the near future, I'll just give another nod to AdrianWerner's thread on upcoming PC games for 2010: http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/games-of-2010/

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The PC's always going to have tons of exclusives because it's the most friendly development platform. They're anchored in everybody's home and office and aren't going anywhere. Mouse and keyboard is such a versatile interface that PC will continue to have entire genres that just couldn't ever work on the consoles. All of the anti-PC propaganda is put out by companies desperate to push their more profitable platforms.