Huge red orchestra 2 update releasing today

The GOTY Edition Free Content Pack will download automatically for everyone who already owns the game

The content pack additions include:

• "Action" mode - Featuring a crosshair, easier aiming and toned down recoil, reduced damage and open access to a wide range of weaponry Action mode is the perfect first step for players into the world of Red Orchestra.

• "Classic" mode blends the gameplay innovations of the new game with the tactical and edgy gameplay of the original giving the fans of the first game exactly what they want.

• Mamayev Kurgan - complete new map, featuring both close-quarters battles in trenches and bunkers, as well as longer ranged combat across the famous hill in Stalingrad

• Refined and improved gameplay across the board, vehicle improvements, and way better performance and polish. We listened to the community and based on their feedback refined and tweaked almost every major feature in the game!

RANT: seems like the game they should've released at the start

BUT: a lot of other developers would sell this kind of content as paid DLC.

I'm very happy to see the changes Tripwire has made. As they say in their developer diary: the game was too hardcore for some, and not hardcore for others. It's great that they try to cater with both with different game modes.

Performance and gameplay issues were another big complaint that will be fixed.

Can't wait to try it out myself, and for the people that don't have it: try it on the free weekend;)

What are your thoughts about it ?

I would play it if the anit-speed hack system didn't keep session banning me due to lag spikes. The beta was absolute heaven before they implemented the anti speed hack.

uh updates for a dead game... can they just work on kf2?JigglyWiggly_

Whats wrong with updating a game people still play and attracting new people with that update ? :?

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]uh updates for a dead game... can they just work on kf2?R4gn4r0k

Whats wrong with updating a game people still play and attracting new people with that update ? :?

and i highly doubt this will bring many people back.

Did it get an award for being "GOTY" or is this yet another developer slapping that onto their game?

Did it get an award for being "GOTY" or is this yet another developer slapping that onto their game?

lambalot

Watch the developer diary I linked in the OP ;)

nobody plays ro2

and i highly doubt this will bring many people back.

JigglyWiggly_

Whatever, I'm not going to change your opinion. Have fun playing other games ;)

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]uh updates for a dead game... can they just work on kf2?R4gn4r0k

Whats wrong with updating a game people still play and attracting new people with that update ? :?

[QUOTE="lambalot"]

Did it get an award for being "GOTY" or is this yet another developer slapping that onto their game?

R4gn4r0k

Watch the developer diary I linked in the OP ;)

Well i think thats the first time ive heard a developer admit they made a mistake. I certainly give the game another go.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]uh updates for a dead game... can they just work on kf2?biggest_loser

Whats wrong with updating a game people still play and attracting new people with that update ? :?

It is in the list.

Why should it be revived ? The game isn't dead: servers haven't shut down, people still play. Sure, there aren't a lot but a game is only dead to me when you can't find a full sever anymore. And I have absolutely no problem finding decent populated servers (I'm not counting bots)

The main reason so many stopped playing was because it was too hardcore for some and not hardcore enough for others. They fixed that now.

The reason I stopped playing a few weeks back was because of the terrible server-side hit detection. They fixed that as well.

Besides, free steam weekends always bring a lot of attention to a game.

I understand the negativity towards this game, it was nowhere near done when it launched. But this new update brings a lot to the game. A lot that was wrong and people complained about has been fixed, why not give it a(nother) try ? ;)

Well i think thats the first time ive heard a developer admit they made a mistake. I certainly give the game another go.

lambalot

Great to hear

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

Whats wrong with updating a game people still play and attracting new people with that update ? :?

R4gn4r0k

It is in the list.

Why should it be revived ? The game isn't dead: servers haven't shut down, people still play. Sure, there aren't a lot but a game is only dead to me when you can't find a full sever anymore. And I have absolutely no problem finding decent populated servers (I'm not counting bots)

The main reason so many stopped playing was because it was too hardcore for some and not hardcore enough for others. They fixed that now.

The reason I stopped playing a few weeks back was because of the terrible server-side hit detection. They fixed that as well.

Besides, free steam weekends always bring a lot of attention to a game.

I understand the negativity towards this game, it was nowhere near done when it launched. But this new update brings a lot to the game. A lot that was wrong and people complained about has been fixed, why not give it a(nother) try ? ;)

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"] C'mon man. Attracting new people? Realistically, that is not going to revive it. I don't think its even in the top Steam games, like at all. And thats a huge list. biggest_loser

It is in the list.

Why should it be revived ? The game isn't dead: servers haven't shut down, people still play. Sure, there aren't a lot but a game is only dead to me when you can't find a full sever anymore. And I have absolutely no problem finding decent populated servers (I'm not counting bots)

The main reason so many stopped playing was because it was too hardcore for some and not hardcore enough for others. They fixed that now.

The reason I stopped playing a few weeks back was because of the terrible server-side hit detection. They fixed that as well.

Besides, free steam weekends always bring a lot of attention to a game.

I understand the negativity towards this game, it was nowhere near done when it launched. But this new update brings a lot to the game. A lot that was wrong and people complained about has been fixed, why not give it a(nother) try ? ;)

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

nobody plays ro2

and i highly doubt this will bring many people back.

R4gn4r0k

Whatever, I'm not going to change your opinion. Have fun playing other games ;)

i like ro2 it's dead thoJigglyWiggly_

If you like it than you should give it another try this weekend. The free weekend is sure to bring new players that try out the game.

Sry this game doesnt fit in my funds for gaming, this year new PC , Diablo 3 , Rift subscription, Medal of Honor new one , Guild Wars 2 CE , Torchlight 2 , and 50 more euros for special steam sales, so if this games hit summer sale maybe i will buy it.

Sry this game doesnt fit in my funds for gaming, this year new PC , Diablo 3 , Rift subscription, Medal of Honor new one , Guild Wars 2 CE , Torchlight 2 , and 50 more euros for special steam sales, so if this games hit summer sale maybe i will buy it.

Assimilat0r

You can try it out this weekend (starting today) for free to see if the game is anything for you.

All this negativity, so sad, RO 2 is a much better game than BF 3 or MW 3 as far as competitive FPS's go. At this point, I'd rather play RO 2 with its glitchy bots than BF 3 with its awful vehicle balance, bad maps, wacky headboxs and damage model.

I'm very excited to try this out when I get home from work today.

Hopefully this will bring back some players, I pretty much stopped playing it after most servers turned into a massive bot-match with only three to four real players in between. Gosh I wish the servers would stop recognizing bots as real players.koospetoors

If I'm not mistaken that will be fixed too: you will see how many bots there are playing and how many actual players.

All this negativity, so sad, RO 2 is a much better game than BF 3 or MW 3 as far as competitive FPS's go.

with_teeth26

I completely agree. And now that classic mode will get rid of weapon unlocks it should be even more competitive :D

The change list is just massive. I'll be trying it out tonight.

I'm excited, like mentioned above. Hopefully we can get some good matches going with out a horde of bots.

This might bring me back. I hope server operators would stop using bots to prop up their servers!

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

It is in the list.

Why should it be revived ? The game isn't dead: servers haven't shut down, people still play. Sure, there aren't a lot but a game is only dead to me when you can't find a full sever anymore. And I have absolutely no problem finding decent populated servers (I'm not counting bots)

The main reason so many stopped playing was because it was too hardcore for some and not hardcore enough for others. They fixed that now.

The reason I stopped playing a few weeks back was because of the terrible server-side hit detection. They fixed that as well.

Besides, free steam weekends always bring a lot of attention to a game.

I understand the negativity towards this game, it was nowhere near done when it launched. But this new update brings a lot to the game. A lot that was wrong and people complained about has been fixed, why not give it a(nother) try ? ;)

DJ_Headshot

Iron Front: Liberation comes out tomorrow too! WW2 Madness for the weekend!

Iron Front: Liberation comes out tomorrow too! WW2 Madness for the weekend!

Ragingbear505

Didn't know. Great news !

Huh, I think I should reinstall it and give a shot.

Looking forward to the new map and especially the new modes! (especially the old school mode!).
To me personally this game was alot mroe enjoyable then any of hte latest COD games and in alot of ways is better then BF3 to. Sure it has a much smaller amount of players but everytime I go onlien to play there is always some servers to hop into, thats all I really need to be honest. Dont need millinos of people playing it to have fun. Besides a very bad launch I dont have many bad things to say about this game.

Remember me and Lawless had some great fun on this game awhile back working together on a team. Besides ARMA2 and DAYZ mod, I think this is the most fun ive had in an online shooter in the last handful of years.

The change list is just massive. I'll be trying it out tonight.

Wasdie

Cosign, Ill be trying it out.

The change list is just massive. I'll be trying it out tonight.

Wasdie

Reading it right now, what a long list.

If anyone is interested: you can find the change list here

Red Orchestra 2 is on Steam's weekend deal for $10.

I must say, perfect timing. This should give the game a sale boost once Steam puts up a ad for it on their front page.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/35450/?snr=1_7_suggest__13

I think they're trying to steal some of Iron Front - Liberation 1944's thunder. It's a WWII East Front combat simulation game using the ArmA II engine. It's being released on May 25th and it claims to offer up the hardcore realism of ArmA II in a WWII setting in hopes of appealing to the original Red Orchestra fans who felt that RO2 strayed to far from the realism path in hopes of gaining the CoD audience.

I think they're trying to steal some of Iron Front - Liberation 1944's thunder. It's a WWII East Front combat simulation game using the ArmA II engine. It's being released on May 25th and it claims to offer up the hardcore realism of ArmA II in a WWII setting in hopes of appealing to the original Red Orchestra fans who felt that RO2 strayed to far from the realism path in hopes of gaining the CoD audience.

bogaty

I agree. RO was more of a game than a sim, but compared to the other FPS games based on the UT engine, it was about as tactical as you were going to get.

RO2 moved more towards the mainstream FPS titles in hopes of appealing to a wider audience. They added stuff like heroes, weapons upgrades and unlocks, levelling, and all that CoD type stuff. They also increased base movement speed and made sure levels allowed for tonnes of SMGs, assault rifles and the like.

It was a failure. It angered much of the original RO fan base, driving many of them from the game and it failed to attract the CoD crowd.

Hopefully the new patch will bring back some players. I own it and will likely get back into it if the "classic" servers take off. If not, I've already pre-ordered Iron Front.

I agree. RO was more of a game than a sim, but compared to the other FPS games based on the UT engine, it was about as tactical as you were going to get.

RO2 moved more towards the mainstream FPS titles in hopes of appealing to a wider audience. They added stuff like heroes, weapons upgrades and unlocks, levelling, and all that CoD type stuff. They also increased base movement speed and made sure levels allowed for tonnes of SMGs, assault rifles and the like.

It was a failure. It angered much of the original RO fan base, driving many of them from the game and it failed to attract the CoD crowd.

Hopefully the new patch will bring back some players. I own it and will likely get back into it if the "classic" servers take off. If not, I've already pre-ordered Iron Front.

bogaty

I don't dislike the game. I think it's alright, but I prefered the greater variety found in the original. RO offered more vehicles, bigger maps, and weapons loadout restrictions more closely based on historical data than RO2's system where SMGs SVTs, and MP44s are found in much greater abundance.

Nor did I claim that CoD invented unlocks. I implied that the RO2 dev team wanted to appeal to the more mainstream FPS crowd of which COD is but one example. Sorry for giving you enough credit to have been able to infer that on your own. I won't make that mistake again.

If they wanted to appeal to the CoD crowd (and similar games) they wouldn't have made RO 2 period, I don't know how hardcore/elite/1337 you want to consider yourself, but RO 2 was in no way shape or form similar to those kind of games, not even close.

I don't dislike the game. I think it's alright, but I prefered the greater variety found in the original. RO offered more vehicles, bigger maps, and weapons loadout restrictions more closely based on historical data than RO2's system where SMGs SVTs, and MP44s are found in much greater abundance.

Nor did I claim that CoD invented unlocks. I implied that the RO2 dev team wanted to appeal to the more mainstream FPS crowd of which COD is but one example. Sorry for giving you enough credit to have been able to infer that on your own. I won't make that mistake again.

bogaty

I don't dislike the game. I think it's alright, but I prefered the greater variety found in the original. RO offered more vehicles, bigger maps, and weapons loadout restrictions more closely based on historical data than RO2's system where SMGs SVTs, and MP44s are found in much greater abundance.

Nor did I claim that CoD invented unlocks. I implied that the RO2 dev team wanted to appeal to the more mainstream FPS crowd of which COD is but one example. Sorry for giving you enough credit to have been able to infer that on your own. I won't make that mistake again.

bogaty

Well for the classic mode they've disabled weapon unlocks and tweaked the weapon loadouts to be more like RO. They removed the HUD elements and just gave us a mini-map. They've also slowed sprinting down and radcially increased the suppression.

As for RO1's maps, the best ones came out of the community. TripWire doesn't make the best maps.

That said, the launch for the game has been terrible. I'm excited to see if this classic mode can bring back the fun of RO but I'm not holding my breath. Graphics aside, RO is the better game than this in every other aspect.

RO felt desperate and chaotic, RO2 feels refined and clean. It was that feeling that set RO apart from other shooters. RO2 adapted to many modern gameplay conventions of mainstream shooters (lots of hud elements, unlock systems) and strayed away from that original feeling to much. The end was a very modern feeling, tactical shooter that had no real personality and a ton of bugs.

I think the worst part about their adpation of modern convention was their willingness to give the player a lot of variety of weapons to fight with. So many limited production weapons are in RO2. It really took me out of the experiance. You might as well be wielding AK's for the amount of STGs protoypes they had on the battlefield.

On the eastern front you would see Mosin Nagants, SVTs, PPSh varients, DShK and a few other LMG varients, K-98s,Gewehr 43 (limited quantities), MG 34s and MG 42s, and MP40s. That's about it. You wouldn't see all of the crazy guns that are in RO2. That was the worst part about the game for me once it's all said and done. In RO you got a rifle that had a bayonet. If you were lucky you got the LMG, an SMG, or a scoped rifle. That's what made RO1 so awesome. It was so deserpate fighting all of the time. Cycling 5 rounds of ammo through a rifle would take awhile and would kick hard making you have to re-sight in your target every single time.

RO2 you could just cycle a bolt perfectly every time and get easy headshots and you had to unlock the bayonet. Hell even if you buy a Mosin Nagant today you're given a bayonet. Every single rifle had a bayonet in WWII.

[QUOTE="bogaty"]

I don't dislike the game. I think it's alright, but I prefered the greater variety found in the original. RO offered more vehicles, bigger maps, and weapons loadout restrictions more closely based on historical data than RO2's system where SMGs SVTs, and MP44s are found in much greater abundance.

Nor did I claim that CoD invented unlocks. I implied that the RO2 dev team wanted to appeal to the more mainstream FPS crowd of which COD is but one example. Sorry for giving you enough credit to have been able to infer that on your own. I won't make that mistake again.

Wasdie

Well for the classic mode they've disabled weapon unlocks and tweaked the weapon loadouts to be more like RO. They removed the HUD elements and just gave us a mini-map. They've also slowed sprinting down and radcially increased the suppression.

As for RO1's maps, the best ones came out of the community. TripWire doesn't make the best maps.

That said, the launch for the game has been terrible. I'm excited to see if this classic mode can bring back the fun of RO but I'm not holding my breath. Graphics aside, RO is the better game than this in every other aspect.

RO felt desperate and chaotic, RO2 feels refined and clean. It was that feeling that set RO apart from other shooters. RO2 adapted to many conventions of your mainstream shooter and strayed away from that original feeling to much. The end was a very modern feeling, tactical shooter that had no real personality and a ton of bugs.

Both Wadsie and I have given reasons but it's apparent that you don't want to hear them. Further discourse with you will be a fruitless endeavour.

Wadsie. I agree. I hope that the classic mode works out and brings back some players. If not, hopefully Iron Front will do well. I know you're a fan of ArmA so will probably enjoy it. I'm looking forward to it but some early reviews out of Europe say the AI isn't really up to the task. Guess that means co-op time!

Both Wadsie and I have given reasons but it's apparent that you don't want to hear them. Further discourse with you will be a fruitless endeavour.

Wadsie. I agree. I hope that the classic mode works out and brings back some players. If not, hopefully Iron Front will do well. I know you're a fan of ArmA so will probably enjoy it. I'm looking forward to it but some early reviews out of Europe say the AI isn't really up to the task. Guess that means co-op time!

bogaty

How was RO a better game in every aspect? The ridiculously unrealistic recoil? The unrealistically slow movement? What about the game is actually better than RO2? You can't just say that without having any reasons.Toxic-Seahorse

Rediculously unrealistic recoil?

Ever fire a Mosin Nagant 91/30? I have, I own one. They kick that much when you fire. They bruise your shoulder they kick so much and will knock you back if you're not paying attention. Also, every try to sprint with 50lbs of gear in your hand an a long rifle? You don't move around that fast.

Everything about the gameplay is better in RO. Guns are more difficult to control and add to the chaotic elements of the battlefield, the battlefields were much more open, the suppression mechanic actually meant something, the weapons were far more historical accurate with their numbers, the tanks were far more fun to control, you didn't have silly spotting mechanics or a magic airplane that could tell you the location of every enemey...

I could go on. RO2 attempted to merge the very unique gameplay found in RO with more mainstream shooters. They failed to deliever on both fronts. They couldn't make the game appealing to casual players and they lost the original feeling that made the original game so fun to play.

Never once did I ever have a deseprate rush through smoke and machine gun fire to jump into a Russian trench and bayonet somebody like I did in RO1. Those moments were just not in RO2. Everything was too clean, to refined.