If you think Origin deletes your games, then you've got it wrong

Noone ever said Origins deletes your games, no idea where you pulled out that from.

Noone ever said Origins deletes your games, no idea where you pulled out that from.

Mograine

Actually people did, they said its in the ToU.

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Noone ever said Origins deletes your games, no idea where you pulled out that from.

JangoWuzHere

Actually people did, they said its in the ToU.

You may want to pay attention to what people says before twisting things your own way. Noone ever said Origins DELETES your games, period. Just that they aren't guaranteed to be available for downloading after some time anymore.

Didn't they say it would delete your games after a year of the day you purchased it?

Didn't they say it would delete your games after a year of the day you purchased it?

NoodleFighter

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[QUOTE="Mograine"]

Noone ever said Origins deletes your games, no idea where you pulled out that from.

Mograine

Actually people did, they said its in the ToU.

You may want to pay attention to what people says before twisting things your own way. Noone ever said Origins DELETES your games, period. Just that they aren't guaranteed to be available for downloading after some time anymore.

"We do not guarantee that any Content or Entitlement will be available at all times or at any given time or that we will continue to offer particular Content or Entitlements for any particular length of time. We reserve the right to change and update Content and Entitlements without notice to you. If you have not used your Entitlements or Account for twenty four (24) months or more and your Account has associated Entitlements, your Entitlements will expire and your Account may be cancelled for non-use. Once you have redeemed your Entitlements, that content is not returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for other Entitlements or for cash, or other goods or services."

Just to clarify, is this what everyone is talking about here?

Has anyone actually read the steam ToS? Because this is a direct quote from it

"Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a limited, terminable, non-exclusive license and right to use the Software for your personal use in accordance with this Agreement and the Subscription Terms. The Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Software."

Am I wrong to say that, that is also the exact same thing without an exact time frame on it?

For few on this forum you are not, but you are wrong for most people, because Valve is a pure entity, EA is evil.DanielDust

what is this even supposed to mean?

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]For few on this forum you are not, but you are wrong for most people, because Valve is a pure entity, EA is evil.deathshand707

what is this even supposed to mean?

[QUOTE="deathshand707"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]For few on this forum you are not, but you are wrong for most people, because Valve is a pure entity, EA is evil.DanielDust

what is this even supposed to mean?

so what your saying is that most people on this forum are just ignorant and biased....

tell me something I dont know..

Exactly that, if Valve does something it's good, if EA does something it's evil, because it's EA.DanielDust

People judge companies on their past history, if a company acted unscrupulously in the past then they are likely going to expect that company to act unscrupously in the future. As far as I am aware Valve has a very good history with consumers and therefore people tend to trust Valve more than they trust EA. Naturally of course that isn't allowed is it, oh no if you trust Valve more than you trust EA you are a fanboy.

Now speaking of EA's history they have shown in the past that they are not against removing games/content that people have paid for just because it is in their business interest to do so. I believe they have removed at least 10 games from their download service since it's inception which is quite a high number when you consider they only have around 150 games on it. They also make a routine habit of closing down servers a year doesn't go by without a regular announcement from EA saying "we are closing down blah de blah tough luck".

If you compare that with steam which has nearly 4000 titles on their service and in it's 7-8 year history has only ever removed a handful of games from that service. A company that supports games multiplayer even when they are 7 - 8 years old. I mean seriously do you not plainly see why someone who isn't even a "steam fanboy" would trust Valve a hell of a lot more than they would trust a company like EA ? Oh wait I forgot anything nice said about steam = steam fanboy.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]Exactly that, if Valve does something it's good, if EA does something it's evil, because it's EA.charmingcharlie

People judge companies on their past history, if a company acted unscrupulously in the past then they are likely going to expect that company to act unscrupously in the future. As far as I am aware Valve has a very good history with consumers and therefore people tend to trust Valve more than they trust EA. Naturally of course that isn't allowed is it, oh no if you trust Valve more than you trust EA you are a fanboy.

Now speaking of EA's history they have shown in the past that they are not against removing games/content that people have paid for just because it is in their business interest to do so. I believe they have removed at least 10 games from their download service since it's inception which is quite a high number when you consider they only have around 150 games on it. They also make a routine habit of closing down servers a year doesn't go by without a regular announcement from EA saying "we are closing down blah de blah tough luck".

If you compare that with steam which has nearly 4000 titles on their service and in it's 7-8 year history has only ever removed a handful of games from that service. A company that supports games multiplayer even when they are 7 - 8 years old. I mean seriously do you not plainly see why someone who isn't even a "steam fanboy" would trust Valve a hell of a lot more than they would trust a company like EA ? Oh wait I forgot anything nice said about steam = steam fanboy.

Im not disagreing with your post at all( I actually agree with it to an extent) but what games has ea removed from origin that have affected the way we look at it? If you are using the number 10 then you must have at least ~8 major titles that they have removed that you remember. Or is it just a random number you produced?

I see why, but do you not plainly see when arguments are baseless?

I also believe something, I believe that number 10 was given without naming the actual games (there wasn't even any complaining from the community, surely somebody must have own those mythical games, no?) and last time I checked this is not Steam, which as you should already know, removes games they have no right/can't distribute anymore (amazing same as EA), on EADM/Origin you buy independent "retail" copies digitally, you don't buy digital games like on Steam that depend entirely on it, you'll still keep your game even if EA loses the license, etc, just like you'd still keep them on your Steam account.

Oh wait, this still resumes to mindless hate and pointless labels, there was no need for you to extend it further, it was already obvious.

@deathshand It's a random number that EA included in their FAQ/TOS, a random number of games that even the community doesn't know about (these are the people that actually use it, they don't read rumors on the internet).

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]Exactly that, if Valve does something it's good, if EA does something it's evil, because it's EA.charmingcharlie

People judge companies on their past history, if a company acted unscrupulously in the past then they are likely going to expect that company to act unscrupously in the future. As far as I am aware Valve has a very good history with consumers and therefore people tend to trust Valve more than they trust EA. Naturally of course that isn't allowed is it, oh no if you trust Valve more than you trust EA you are a fanboy.

Now speaking of EA's history they have shown in the past that they are not against removing games/content that people have paid for just because it is in their business interest to do so. I believe they have removed at least 10 games from their download service since it's inception which is quite a high number when you consider they only have around 150 games on it. They also make a routine habit of closing down servers a year doesn't go by without a regular announcement from EA saying "we are closing down blah de blah tough luck".

If you compare that with steam which has nearly 4000 titles on their service and in it's 7-8 year history has only ever removed a handful of games from that service. A company that supports games multiplayer even when they are 7 - 8 years old. I mean seriously do you not plainly see why someone who isn't even a "steam fanboy" would trust Valve a hell of a lot more than they would trust a company like EA ? Oh wait I forgot anything nice said about steam = steam fanboy.

For few on this forum you are not, but you are wrong for most people, because Valve is a pure entity, EA is evil.DanielDust

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]For few on this forum you are not, but you are wrong for most people, because Valve is a pure entity, EA is evil.topsemag55

@deathshand It's a random number that EA included in their FAQ/TOS, a random number of games that even the community doesn't know about (these are the people that actually use it, they don't read rumors on the internet).

DanielDust

How is it a "rumour" if it is actually STATED in EA's Terms of Service ? or are you saying EA just makes up rumour about themselves for the hell of it ? I would say that removing 7% of your catalogue is a pretty poor percentage personally. I also noted that Steam also removes games from their service I don't have exact numbers but at the end of the day steam hosts nearly 4,000 titles and as far as I recall they have only ever removed a handful of games from their service. So again why should I trust or want to use Origin ?

Some of the online games they removed because their weren't enough people playing them, and sequels had already been made. Make sense to remove older versions of games to free up server capacity.topsemag55

If you are happy with that kind of thing then there is no point in me trying to argue against it. No I don't think it is acceptable that they close MP servers down without giving those that paid for the game a way to continue playing MP.

Hey DanielDust, you have to give EA credit, as ME1 is still on my account, and it's been almost 3 years since I purchased it.topsemag55

WOW a whole 3 years eh get back to me when EA and Origin are still allowing you to purchase 12 year old titles on it, all assuming they haven't been removed to "free up server capacity". But I guess I am just a steam fanboy rather than a consumer that recognises that steam offers me a far better deal and service than Origin does.

There are no names for those 10 titles, community doesn't know what those games are, it's simple, nobody cares and you shouldn't was this discussion ever about convincing people to use it?

They have a way and the tenths that still play them do so, FIFA games that get their server shut down all the time, have direct ip and there are apps to simulate internet through lan for it and the others like MW, etc.

Let's go at it like you. WOW you've been using Steam for several years get back to me when Steam will still have certain games after 12 years on it, assuming they haven't lost the rights to distribute them.

EA has huge series, old titles become obsolete, would you really care if EA added old titles that were released before EADM was invented? no you won't, "really" won't. The games that are still viable for sales got added, like the BF titles, nobody would care about NFS 1, 2, FIFA 98, 99, etc.

EA has huge series, old titles become obsolete, would you really care if EA added old titles that were released before EADM was invented? no you won't, "really" won't. The games that are still viable for sales got added, like the BF titles, nobody would care about NFS 1, 2, FIFA 98, 98, etc.DanielDust

Its coming from people who are OCD about games being on their steam library list and being repeated by ignorant people who have never touched Origin or the old EA dL service. Origin is fine, EA updates its games automatically eah time you start the game and doesnt require origin to be running in the background. Its a fine service and doesnt deserve the flack its getting. People take isolated incidents and blow it up to make rediculous arguments. People forget Steam sucked hard when it first came out.

Who the @#$# thinks its a good idea to delete people's games because they're idle?

Who the @#$# thinks its a good idea to delete people's games because they're idle?

Drazule

Has anyone actually read the steam ToS? Because this is a direct quote from it

"Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a limited, terminable, non-exclusive license and right to use the Software for your personal use in accordance with this Agreement and the Subscription Terms. The Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Software."

Am I wrong to say that, that is also the exact same thing without an exact time frame on it?

deathshand707

Better quotes:

C. NO GUARANTEES.

VALVE DOES NOT GUARANTEE CONTINUOUS, ERROR-FREE, VIRUS-FREE OR SECURE OPERATION AND ACCESS TO STEAM, THE SOFTWARE, YOUR ACCOUNT AND/OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS(S).

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YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR ANY DISPUTE WITH VALVE WITH REGARD TO STEAM OR THE SOFTWARE IS TO DISCONTINUE USE OF STEAM AND CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT.

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In the case of a one-time purchase of a product license (e.g., purchase of a single game) from Valve, Valve may choose to terminate or cancel your Subscription in its entirety or may terminate or cancel only a portion of the Subscription (e.g., access to the software via Steam) and Valve may, but is not obligated to, provide access (for a limited period of time) to the download of a stand-alone version of the software and content associated with such one-time purchase.

(you may note that the third quote is never applied - banned accounts never had access to a stand-alone version of the games)

[QUOTE="Drazule"]

Who the @#$# thinks its a good idea to delete people's games because they're idle?

DanielDust

The customer is alwayrs right.. I see no reason why this is seen as acceptable in 2011..

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Who the @#$# thinks its a good idea to delete people's games because they're idle?

sSubZerOo

The customer is alwayrs right.. I see no reason why this is seen as acceptable in 2011..

It is acceptable, because people don't complain about Steam which has the same exact thing in their TOS, but Steam is not EA, so of course what EA does is not acceptable and evil. Why are you contradicting yourself?DanielDust

Again it is a matter of TRUST yes I trust Valve and Steam a hell of a lot more than I trust EA or Origin. I am not saying EA is evil I am saying they don't give two craps about their customers and as such I have absolutely no faith in their Origin service. I remember an EA DD service that only let you download the game for 3 months unless you paid extra, I see an EA that has in it's TOS that is has deleted about 7% of it's content, I see an EA that makes a routine habit of closing down support for older titles (most are not even 10 yrs old).

Now you obviously like Origin and that is up to you but at least try and understand why some people do not trust this service. I would love to see an Origin service that competes with steam, why would I not want that ? I mean it gives me more options. But the problem is EA has a totally different philosophy to Valve and it is one that is detrimental to me and puts share holders interests over my interests.

[QUOTE="Remmib"]Cool story bro. Doesn't change the fact that EA has lost some people's accounts and also retired 10 games from their library meaning that people who bought those games can no longer access them.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

EA lost daiz-'s copy of BC2 in less than 6 months and lost gizza's copy of C&C Generals in 6 months - Link

I'm sure I could find more, those were just two that I could easily refind.

Those guys should have talked to EA support instead of venting on reddit. Their support is the best in the industry. I don't trust the first guy.

As for the retired games, I think they're the old LOTR games and The Godfather series. EA lost the license.

Valve has the same language in it's ToS...it's standard CYA legal stuff. Anyways Daniel let people be paranoid you can't help them. Renevent42

Their support is the best in the industry.

Baranga

Lmao, you funny guy. :lol:

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

Their support is the best in the industry.

Remmib

Lmao, you funny guy. :lol:

EA and Blizzard offer the best support in the industry, Steam is garbage when it comes to that, try solving your account, extra content, registration and serial nr problems in 10-20 minutes on Steam, d'oh silly me, it takes days before they even read your complaints, nevermind fixing your problems.

Cool story bro. Doesn't change the fact that EA has lost some people's accounts and also retired 10 games from their library meaning that people who bought those games can no longer access them.Remmib

10 games wow. thats pretty specific. Exactly what games did they retire?

No the worry is that your entire account can be cancelled for non use over a time period. skrat_01

You should read the whole thread, EA isnt the devil in this situation. Every DD service has a term like this in there ToS. Actually EA is a bit more forgiving you at least promising you 2 years, steam can do it anytime they want.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]No the worry is that your entire account can be cancelled for non use over a time period. deathshand707

You should read the whole thread, EA isnt the devil in this situation. Every DD service has a term like this in there ToS. Actually EA is a bit more forgiving you at least promising you 2 years, steam can do it anytime they want.

[QUOTE="deathshand707"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]No the worry is that your entire account can be cancelled for non use over a time period. skrat_01

You should read the whole thread, EA isnt the devil in this situation. Every DD service has a term like this in there ToS. Actually EA is a bit more forgiving you at least promising you 2 years, steam can do it anytime they want.

A lot of people talk about EA's reputation, and I am not quite sure what that they have done to hurt the DD services. Yes they ARE big buisness, but so is Valve, what exactly has EA done for everyone to scratch them off as a DD provider. This is what I do not understand.

I was never under the assumption that they deleted your game - just the fact that they disabled access to downloading the game after a certain amount of time. I still have access to many of my EA games though. flipin_jackass

They have the ability to disable it, does not say that they will disable, one thing that not everyone has understood.

[QUOTE="flipin_jackass"]I was never under the assumption that they deleted your game - just the fact that they disabled access to downloading the game after a certain amount of time. I still have access to many of my EA games though. deathshand707

They have the ability to disable it, does not say that they will disable, one thing that not everyone has understood.

[QUOTE="deathshand707"]

[QUOTE="flipin_jackass"]I was never under the assumption that they deleted your game - just the fact that they disabled access to downloading the game after a certain amount of time. I still have access to many of my EA games though. flipin_jackass

They have the ability to disable it, does not say that they will disable, one thing that not everyone has understood.

Correct, it is in every DD ToS.

Thank you for clarifiying the issue. Now I just want them to follow the rules Valve has created for putting a game on Steam, and put BF3 and Crysis 2 on Steam. Otherwise, I'm not buying them.

A lot of people talk about EA's reputation, and I am not quite sure what that they have done to hurt the DD services. Yes they ARE big buisness, but so is Valve, what exactly has EA done for everyone to scratch them off as a DD provider. This is what I do not understand.

deathshand707

It's one reason why Valve remains so 'grass roots' compared to other gaming companies and a reason why they still hold a strong repore with gamers.

Otherwise EA hasn't done anything to hurt the DD service (aside from the whole Bioware thing), problem is their encompassing reputation and legacy surrounding it, for better or for worse, that's why everyone is relatively against them.

That and Origin at the moment, being a renamed EA downloader is pretty bad to be brutally honest, even if it is better than what it once was. Not just compared to steam but the likes of Impulse.

edit* here we go

"Valve has 250 employees" http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=421678.
Keep in mind that's development teams and everything, that's tiny. Dev teams for triple A big budget games hits 100 or more often enough.