Is Guild Wars 2 still a worthy investment?

The general concensus  seems to be that Guild Wars 2 was a mediocre game at best that is constantly being mishandled by the devs. A game about farming that punishes you for farming through redicilous anti farm mechanics and devs nerfing popular farming methods.

But do go ahead and try another class, and find one that might appeal to you, the playstyles differ moderatly enough.

Edit: I do hope the way you are levelling is through Dynamic events and world completion (hearts, skill challenges, Points of INterest and vistas) and not just grinding mobs.

Really, because I thought the play-styles were identical for each class.JKnaperek

They fill the same roles, but the way they achieve this tends to be different enough due to the mechanics each profession is built around. Which results in different playstyles.

It's fun to just rip around and explore, do random events that pop up with others.

Not the best mmo ever, but it was fun for what it was trying to do imo. Was fun to explore, looked really nice to.

750 hours for $70 (i bought the digital deluxe edition) haha thats what i call value. its a solid game and the naysayers are either burned out, or complaining because "its not WoW"

If you have a large guild of active people and friend to be with, its one of the better mmos out now for the money.  If you want to do solo content and do traditional gear grinds, then you won't find much to do

750 hours for $70 (i bought the digital deluxe edition) haha thats what i call value. its a solid game and the naysayers are either burned out, or complaining because "its not WoW"

ionusX

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

750 hours for $70 (i bought the digital deluxe edition) haha thats what i call value. its a solid game and the naysayers are either burned out, or complaining because "its not WoW"

JKnaperek

I've definitely got my money out of it thus far

750 hours for $70 (i bought the digital deluxe edition) haha thats what i call value. its a solid game and the naysayers are either burned out, or complaining because "its not WoW"

ionusX

I am a naysayer because the game,

1. Is a dumbed down piece of crap compared to Guild Wars 1.
2. Has gotten terribly poor post launch support.
3. Didnt have very enjoyable combat (a lot of it being thanks to point one).

The best thing about the game is that it is not WoW.

That said, it definately provides you with a lot of content for your money. Problem is, none of that content was particulry enjoyable, or at least not in its current state.

It's ironic to see this post after just today I tried returning to GW2 after only managing to get to level 45 at launch before becoming too bored. The combat is just what got to me. I feel like I've had all my abilities I use unlocked since level 10, besides a few skillpoint abilities that I don't even want.

The game is literally aggro mobs, blow cooldowns, change weps, blow cooldowns, rinse and repeat. I have done this with the same skills since barely starting the game, it is just simply too redundant.

Dungeons was a huge letdown to me as well. Everyone praised GW2 for removing the mmo trinity but this is for the worse. Dungeon bosses from my experience was just a conga line of people running back from the graveyard to inch down the bosses further until victory, very stupid.

The game is beautiful, absolutely stunning I think. But the combat, dungeons, and repetition is just too much for me. I probably had the most fun in PvP but it too gets tiring rather fast.

Ugh when I read stuff like "Leveling is the best part about it"

Exactly NOT the purpose of GW2.

It's made so you can enjoy the adventures and stories this game offers, not to skip cutscene after cutscene because they're in the way of grinding, no, it's meant to be a perfect integration into the game, yet I still see SO many people skipping the beautiful cutscenes, stories etc. it's a shame because they deny EXACTLY the part where GW2 outright shines so bright, it makes every other MMO in this aspect go blind.

Also, it's all about experience the game's massive world, look around, explore it, pick from the decisions "Do I complete this map now? How do I get to that Vista? Or do I continue my story? Do I look out for great Screenshots? What might be in this cave over there?" etc. and not to grind and get the massive high end gear, cause even with standard Gear from PVE you can be badass in Dungeons etc....it's all or mostly about Skill and not grinding, so you have more time for YOUR way of playing it, making YOUR decisions, you decide if you want to play PVE, PVP or WvWvW and you can jump between all three of them any time and in almost any role with every class, and even the big three decisions offer BILLIONS of Subdecisions, all to experience this game and explore the massive world and what it has to offer.

But in the end, one thing stated here is absolutely true: It's definetly more fun with friends or an active guild :)

It's ironic to see this post after just today I tried returning to GW2 after only managing to get to level 45 at launch before becoming too bored. The combat is just what got to me. I feel like I've had all my abilities I use unlocked since level 10, besides a few skillpoint abilities that I don't even want.

The game is literally aggro mobs, blow cooldowns, change weps, blow cooldowns, rinse and repeat. I have done this with the same skills since barely starting the game, it is just simply too redundant.

Dungeons was a huge letdown to me as well. Everyone praised GW2 for removing the mmo trinity but this is for the worse. Dungeon bosses from my experience was just a conga line of people running back from the graveyard to inch down the bosses further until victory, very stupid.

The game is beautiful, absolutely stunning I think. But the combat, dungeons, and repetition is just too much for me. I probably had the most fun in PvP but it too gets tiring rather fast.

trijity

The way they handled levelling is one of the parts Arenanet really dropped the ball.

By the time you hit level 30, you would probably have the build you want. So after level 30, you would probably have the active skills you want and from 30 and up the game plays more or less the exact same. The fact that most mobs feel the exact same (also in the human zone, fighting centaurs for 45 levels). There are only a few viable builds per class and it is pretty obvious which skills are bad and which ones arent.

Too actually make sure I would still get interesting skills past level 30, I actually took the skills in a linear order, up to down, left to right. This made sure I couldnt cherry pick skills of my choice.

The way each trait line favors a weapon or two only worsens the issue really of course, maybe that wouldnt have been the case had the traits been well balanaced because as it is a lot of the traits are either too situational or too underpowered to be worth an investment.

As for the mechanics themselves, combat felt unresponsive, spammy and mobs and players alike felt too tanky for their own good, especially in dungeons.

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

750 hours for $70 (i bought the digital deluxe edition) haha thats what i call value. its a solid game and the naysayers are either burned out, or complaining because "its not WoW"

Maroxad

I am a naysayer because the game,

1. Is a dumbed down piece of crap compared to Guild Wars 1.
2. Has gotten terribly poor post launch support.
3. Didnt have very enjoyable combat (a lot of it being thanks to point one).

I disagree. And the general consensus is that its not mediocre.

All MMOs are crappy, they have crappy combat and are basically made to waste peoples time. If you want to waste your time on completly pointless s*** such as quests for killing 10 rabbits or destroying 20 pumpkins or w/e. Then by all means play Guild Wars 2 or any other MMORPG.

The game looked incredible in the months leading up to the launch as they revealed more and more and it seemed like an mmo that fixed all the things i disliked about WoW...the dull combat, the art design, the lack of varied enough classes... and i bought it quite soon after release based on that. However after installing it i never got round to playing it so im unsure really why it hasnt turned out to be the sucess it could have been.   I think maybe the lack of endgame might have something to do with it...no real incentive to keep comming back and better your char....no carrot on a stick that WoW has.  Evertime i see someone stream the game, watch videos, see screenshots or read about it i think damn thats a cool/fun game, but just havent had the time free to commit to it.

All MMOs are crappy, they have crappy combat and are basically made to waste peoples time. If you want to waste your time on completly pointless s*** such as quests for killing 10 rabbits or destroying 20 pumpkins or w/e. Then by all means play Guild Wars 2 or any other MMORPG.

ShimmerMan

^ hasnt played GW2

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

All MMOs are crappy, they have crappy combat and are basically made to waste peoples time. If you want to waste your time on completly pointless s*** such as quests for killing 10 rabbits or destroying 20 pumpkins or w/e. Then by all means play Guild Wars 2 or any other MMORPG.

wis3boi

^ hasnt played GW2

I really wont to get it but have no idea weather its worth the money but think im going to save up for total war Rome 2. if anyway has any idea which one of these to get please reply to my post because im stuck in the middle. ZzSPACEMONKEYzZ

Short answer, nah... Guild Wars was all about strategy and Guild Wars 2 is not. The fact that you can't choose your skills is plain stupid. They shouldn't have called it Guild Wars 2 because it doesn't feel like GW at all. And this game has no competitive pvp, what's that all about? No ladder no GvG what the hell ANet?!

Don't buy it, it's just another MMO

I played 10-15 hours of it before I just gave up. I keep giving MMO's a chance but no personally I really don't like grinding.Grey_Eyed_Elf

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]I played 10-15 hours of it before I just gave up. I keep giving MMO's a chance but no personally I really don't like grinding.Justforvisit

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

750 hours for $70 (i bought the digital deluxe edition) haha thats what i call value. its a solid game and the naysayers are either burned out, or complaining because "its not WoW"

illmatic87

I am a naysayer because the game,

1. Is a dumbed down piece of crap compared to Guild Wars 1.
2. Has gotten terribly poor post launch support.
3. Didnt have very enjoyable combat (a lot of it being thanks to point one).

I disagree. And the general consensus is that its not mediocre.

You disagree, fair enough.

Ahh you are saying that the general consensus of the game is that the game is pretty poor then? Because I swear, outside of the GW2 sticky I see mostly only negativity towards the game. both on GS and elsewhere.

And surely there is a reason not so many people stuck with it and moved back to their previous mmos.

[QUOTE="ZzSPACEMONKEYzZ"]I really wont to get it but have no idea weather its worth the money but think im going to save up for total war Rome 2. if anyway has any idea which one of these to get please reply to my post because im stuck in the middle. Justforvisit

You will spend your first 24 hours easily getting to level 80 by grinding fetch quests that you auto pick up... and beating on waves of the same generic enemies or bosses in the world which offer no challenge. You will experiance a mediocre story about undead.

Then you will spend the late game grinding for aesthetic gear with no purpose, you will try competitive PvP but its nearly dead in the game because ti was SUCH  A MASSIVE step back from guild wars 1 that the lobby is nearly empty.

You can RvRvR which is basically attacking doors for hours and zergs, ofcourse some fanboys will tell you that "OMG GUIKD MAKES IT SO MUCH BETTER" yes playing iwth others makes anything better... so friggin what.

Basically its an MMO for people that don't want challeng, don't want custimization, don't want indepth combat where you actually HAVE to rely on other players with distinct roles ...

Its like a single player mash fest where your character has learned all its abilities by lvl 10 (exaguration) and you spend the rest of the time easily mashing away at the same old process until you hit the end and realize ".... jeez theres not much here."

Rome Total War 2 on the other hand will be an epic strategy game which you can play for 100s of hours if you like that thing, and unlike Guild Wars 2 will bloody offer the PRIME experiance of its genre.

[QUOTE="illmatic87"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

I am a naysayer because the game,

1. Is a dumbed down piece of crap compared to Guild Wars 1.
2. Has gotten terribly poor post launch support.
3. Didnt have very enjoyable combat (a lot of it being thanks to point one).

Maroxad

I disagree. And the general consensus is that its not mediocre.

You disagree, fair enough.

Ahh you are saying that the general consensus of the game is that the game is pretty poor then? Because I swear, outside of the GW2 sticky I see mostly only negativity towards the game. both on GS and elsewhere.

And surely there is a reason not so many people stuck with it and moved back to their previous mmos.

Well, it actually won RPG of the year and PC game of the year at GS and was nominated for GOTY. 

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]I played 10-15 hours of it before I just gave up. I keep giving MMO's a chance but no personally I really don't like grinding.Justforvisit

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[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]I played 10-15 hours of it before I just gave up. I keep giving MMO's a chance but no personally I really don't like grinding.MBirdy88

I've had plenty of fun with it

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[QUOTE="illmatic87"]

I disagree. And the general consensus is that its not mediocre.

lostrib

You disagree, fair enough.

Ahh you are saying that the general consensus of the game is that the game is pretty poor then? Because I swear, outside of the GW2 sticky I see mostly only negativity towards the game. both on GS and elsewhere.

And surely there is a reason not so many people stuck with it and moved back to their previous mmos.

Well, it actually won RPG of the year and PC game of the year at GS and was nominated for GOTY. 

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="Justforvisit"]

I wonder what you made wrong then, this game is designed exactly around that you DON'T have to grind you a** off to achieve something o.o

lostrib

I've had plenty of fun with it

GW2 is the first and possibly last MMO I'll ever buy. I got it because of the hype and Angry joe review. But the game is BORNING AS **** I haven't played it in months and I want my money back...

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

You disagree, fair enough.

Ahh you are saying that the general consensus of the game is that the game is pretty poor then? Because I swear, outside of the GW2 sticky I see mostly only negativity towards the game. both on GS and elsewhere.

And surely there is a reason not so many people stuck with it and moved back to their previous mmos.

MBirdy88

Well, it actually won RPG of the year and PC game of the year at GS and was nominated for GOTY. 

Just responding that his statements were not correct.  The opinions of critics and GOTY awards hold just as much weight, if not more, than random posts on game forums.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] Have to grind for legenderies and exotic looking gear that doesn't look like crap..... takes even longer than games like WoW yet without any of the challenge and feeling of character growth. lvl 1-80 is the same old grind as every MMO, just because you have a few more buzz icons on the map doesn't change this reality...... I and many others can't bring ourselves to level second characters because its so damn boring and slower than WoW to max out now. You grind PvP to get new aesthetic gear and rewards. You grind doors in RvRvR for.... erm... nothing. So essentially TC its like any other MMO.... as I've already said, don't believe the morons .... its literally an MMO with no substance...MBirdy88

I've had plenty of fun with it

actually he didn't say no grind, he said you didn't have to grind your ass off

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

I've had plenty of fun with it

lostrib

actually he didn't say no grind, he said you didn't have to grind your ass off

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="illmatic87"]

I disagree. And the general consensus is that its not mediocre.

lostrib

You disagree, fair enough.

Ahh you are saying that the general consensus of the game is that the game is pretty poor then? Because I swear, outside of the GW2 sticky I see mostly only negativity towards the game. both on GS and elsewhere.

And surely there is a reason not so many people stuck with it and moved back to their previous mmos.

Well, it actually won RPG of the year and PC game of the year at GS and was nominated for GOTY. 

Yes, by the journalists.

But I am talking about what the rest of the people think, what seems to be the majority anyway.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

You disagree, fair enough.

Ahh you are saying that the general consensus of the game is that the game is pretty poor then? Because I swear, outside of the GW2 sticky I see mostly only negativity towards the game. both on GS and elsewhere.

And surely there is a reason not so many people stuck with it and moved back to their previous mmos.

Maroxad

Well, it actually won RPG of the year and PC game of the year at GS and was nominated for GOTY. 

Yes, by the journalists.

But I am talking about what the rest of the people think, what seems to be the majority anyway.

So journalists aren't people? Game Awards don't count? And you base this majority off of what? Game forums, places where people come to complain?

In addition, at IGN it was best MMO and Best PC Game 2012 for both the editors and people's choice award

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Well, it actually won RPG of the year and PC game of the year at GS and was nominated for GOTY. 

lostrib

Yes, by the journalists.

But I am talking about what the rest of the people think, what seems to be the majority anyway.

So journalists aren't people? Game Awards don't count? And you base this majority off of what? Game forums, places where people come to complain?

In addition, at IGN it was best MMO and Best PC Game 2012 for both the editors and people's choice award

Journalists are people, but their opinions carry no more weight than ours and they certainly are the minority of players.

I am basing this on forums (GS included), the real world (particulary in my engineering school) and the incredibly poor retention rate (made even worse considering it is a game without monthly fees), chat in both GW2 and other games (before I quit I remember hearing a LOT of negativity about the game).

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Yes, by the journalists.

But I am talking about what the rest of the people think, what seems to be the majority anyway.

Maroxad

So journalists aren't people? Game Awards don't count? And you base this majority off of what? Game forums, places where people come to complain?

In addition, at IGN it was best MMO and Best PC Game 2012 for both the editors and people's choice award

Journalists are people, but their opinions carry no more weight than ours and they certainly are the minority of players.

I am basing this on forums (GS included), the real world (particulary in my engineering school) and the incredibly poor retention rate (made even worse considering it is a game without monthly fees), chat in both GW2 and other games (before I quit I remember hearing a LOT of negativity about the game).

so basically a bunch of anecdotal "evidence" and the poor rentetion rate which needs a source

I agree with this guy. The game is trash and a waste of time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBpF4RuTppk

I agree with this guy. The game is trash and a waste of time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBpF4RuTppk

Rawtheory333

I disagree

Personally I'd say so, the game was well worth the $60 price tag given to it, and they still pump out content to this day at a monthly rate.

Every patch it seems to improve drastically, and at this point it's even more polished than most MMOs.

IMO yes, but not everyone enjoys it. 

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

So journalists aren't people? Game Awards don't count? And you base this majority off of what? Game forums, places where people come to complain?

In addition, at IGN it was best MMO and Best PC Game 2012 for both the editors and people's choice award

lostrib

Journalists are people, but their opinions carry no more weight than ours and they certainly are the minority of players.

I am basing this on forums (GS included), the real world (particulary in my engineering school) and the incredibly poor retention rate (made even worse considering it is a game without monthly fees), chat in both GW2 and other games (before I quit I remember hearing a LOT of negativity about the game).

so basically a bunch of anecdotal "evidence" and the poor rentetion rate which needs a source

I cant find a source directly stating the retention rate, but you can see it around the game. The sPvP mode practically dead, a lot of zones feel empty especially compared to how crowded it was at launch and you will rarely, if ever run into ques or overflows nowdays. That said, the population has now stabilized, but the retention rate was poor nonetheless. Most people who bought it did not stick with it. I heard someone say that around 12.5% of the 3 million that bought it stuck with it, I can not find the source for this myself, so while I suppose it is somewhere near that ammount, I dont think it is that low, if it really is that low, that would just be lol-worthy.

Whether you like it or not. While the game was well recieved by critics and gamers alike at launch, the cracks became more and more clear as time moved on combined with constant mismanagement from Arenanet disillusioned a large portion of players, me included. As a result, the game isnt really well recieved among gamers (especially mmo vets) nowdays.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Journalists are people, but their opinions carry no more weight than ours and they certainly are the minority of players.

I am basing this on forums (GS included), the real world (particulary in my engineering school) and the incredibly poor retention rate (made even worse considering it is a game without monthly fees), chat in both GW2 and other games (before I quit I remember hearing a LOT of negativity about the game).

Maroxad

so basically a bunch of anecdotal "evidence" and the poor rentetion rate which needs a source

I cant find a source directly stating the retention rate, but you can see it around the game. The sPvP mode practically dead, a lot of zones feel empty especially compared to how crowded it was at launch and you will rarely, if ever run into ques or overflows nowdays. That said, the population has now stabilized, but the retention rate was poor nonetheless. Most people who bought it did not stick with it. I heard someone say that around 12.5% of the 3 million that bought it stuck with it, I can not find the source for this myself, so while I suppose it is somewhere near that ammount, I dont think it is that low, if it really is that low, that would just be lol-worthy.

Whether you like it or not. While the game was well recieved by critics and gamers alike at launch, the cracks became more and more clear as time moved on combined with constant mismanagement from Arenanet disillusioned a large portion of players, me included. As a result, the game isnt really well recieved among gamers (especially mmo vets) nowdays.

So you pretty much have no sources to back up what you've said.  I just rolled a new alt and I run into all sorts of people, a lot of them high level players, in the starter area.  Running events and such; side note, GW2 community is probably the nicest I've seen.  And GW2 PVP arena is under consideration for MLG (http://www.pcgamesn.com/guildwars/guild-wars-2-could-be-coming-mlg)