Mass Effect 3 will require Origin (Bioware confirmation)

No offence to any one on here..Those who are openly admitting there pirating some items..Should be permabanned on this site..Hate when people take excuses because its on steam or origins..You shouldnt pirate at all..Its because of some of yall that sopa is around..You guys dont realise your killing the internet freedom..Enjoy pirating while you can..In do time you will go to jail eventually..This is where its going..Sopa will bring down these sites an stop you guys from pirating..If you cant afford games you shouldnt be stealing from people period..

Myself ill use origins its not that bad..It hasnt hurt my pc..Neither has steam which i love more than origins..Ill support my devs any way shape or form...Ive been following Reckoning for five long years..Ya know what i manned up and bought the 200 dollar version..Thats how much faith ive got in studio 38..Man up and get over your fear of origins..Ea has had some very good games of late..Why shouldnt they be able to sell there games on there own site..Hope you guys who said you all pirated do get perma banned from here..Those who say they do pirate mods you should ban them..Nuff said period no exclimation points..Go to jail..Thats how i feel sorry..

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]"I on the other hand do not like the way the company has behaved in the past and I do not like the way the company is behaving now and as such I tend to not reward those companies with my money." Then don't play ME3 even on PS3... don't play ANY EA Game from now on. Fair?toddx77

This is what im doing, Personally lately, im starting to give up on gameing in general. It seems they would rather you pin you to the ground and ram as much money out of ya as they possibly can then label you as unvaluable.

Other then mass effect I dont see whats so great about their games anyway, id rather do something productive then give my hard earned cash to EA.

When mass effect 3 comes out ill pay for the game but, I aint gonna download origin even if I have to go through measures where it will void my warrenty with the game.

What do you mean by pinning to the ground? I have been able to play arkham city fine with no problems and thats GFWL. I don't like how Mass Effect 3 requires a constant online connection but other than that I don't see EA or any game compan pinning me down. It only requires a constant connection if you play MP, otherwise for SP it only requires a one time activation (which is perfectly fine imo)

Did you never play Dragon Age origins, Knights of the Old Republic, or The Old Republic? The only bioware game that has sucked late is Dragon Age 2. Sure Mass Effect 2 would more of a shooter than RPG but it didn't suck.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]Yep, I was expecting it, considering they plan on doings things the Valve (Steam) way. @TheOtherTheog It "requires" Origin, like Steamworks games, it won't be on Steam, because unlike any other digital store, Steam doesn't sell you keys and a game download to activate under another digital client.bigbeebis

It's not related to this thread at all, you simply chose to have 3 DRM systems instead of two (SecuROM + Steam + LIVE vs. SecuROM + LIVE).

why do they insist in forcing that piece of crap program on people.

if they make the game origin only i will pirate it, period.

Krelian-co

Same here dude. Piracy isn't hurting the game industry, terrible services and developers/publishers are.

Seriously, no one is asking you to actually use the software to replace steam or whatever - also it's bloody single player, why does it matter if it can't be on steam!?

If you're not going to buy it over something that you never even need to open (just double click the game icon on your desktop), ya'll crayz.

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why do they insist in forcing that piece of crap program on people.

if they make the game origin only i will pirate it, period.

Stream_Beta

Same here dude. Piracy isn't hurting the game industry, terrible services and developers/publishers are.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Elann2008"]EA Origin or Battlelog or whoever or whatever is responsible has some serious disconnection issues. Maybe my modem hates EA servers... I get booted from BF3 games 1 out of 2 games, all the time. SWTOR.. let's not talk about that. So far, EA is losing points with me.. and I might not even buy Mass Effect 3... at least not at full price, day one launch. They don't deserve it, imho.Elann2008

I never had an issues with Bad Company 2 though. :( But EA's newer games, BF3 and TOR = disconnection heartache. I play other games FINE. As I've said countless times. Whether it be TF2, BC2, World of Warcraft for 2 years, Warhammer Online (which is another EA (mythic) game, Guild Wars, Age of Conan, LOTRO.. Counter-Strike, L4D 1 and 2.. many many hours into those games NO ISSUES.. I put in over 40 hours into Black Ops online, and previous COD games, no issues either. not a single disconnection issue with those games and many others. EA servers nowadays gives me a lot of problems.

Ok, so I looked up about your uPNP. It is enabled. I checked my firewall and it seems BF3 is only "checked" on private only. I checked the public box and I've played 3 games so far no issues. Mind you, when I first started playing BF3 when it first came out.. I didn't have issues with disconnections, just the game hanging and crashing. But as of late, it has been disconnecting a lot. Let's hope I don't jynx it again. SWTOR is set to both private and public though this whole time and I thought the driver update would have fixed it but apparently not. Hmm.

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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

why do they insist in forcing that piece of crap program on people.

if they make the game origin only i will pirate it, period.

FelipeInside

Same here dude. Piracy isn't hurting the game industry, terrible services and developers/publishers are.

Couldnt have said it better myself felipe..Shouldnt even be allowed to talk about pirating things on this site..Its just wrong PERIOD!!!!

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Stream_Beta"]

Same here dude. Piracy isn't hurting the game industry, terrible services and developers/publishers are.

Gladestone1

Couldnt have said it better myself felipe..Shouldnt even be allowed to talk about pirating things on this site..Its just wrong PERIOD!!!!

Um... people? It makes it really hard for me to avoid moderating the PC forum, if the people in it keep talking about their intentions to pirate games. I see where you're coming from, Origin is a piece of garbage and I'm not getting ME3 for PC if they force me to use Origin, but can we please try to cut back on the "I'm going to pirate the game now"-comments? It's weekend and I really don't want to have to "work" now. :PChiliDragon

lol, I was wondering when someone was going to point that out. I have nothing against pirating a game because the company that sells it woud force me to download a piece of **** drm to play it, but at least keep it to yourself. Think of piracy as something that so many people do but the same ammount of people also condemn in public. Perhaps it should stay under the rug, or at least off the GS forums.

[QUOTE="ChiliDragon"]Um... people? It makes it really hard for me to avoid moderating the PC forum, if the people in it keep talking about their intentions to pirate games. I see where you're coming from, Origin is a piece of garbage and I'm not getting ME3 for PC if they force me to use Origin, but can we please try to cut back on the "I'm going to pirate the game now"-comments? It's weekend and I really don't want to have to "work" now. :PFlavorysoup

lol, I was wondering when someone was going to point that out. I have nothing against pirating a game because the company that sells it woud force me to download a piece of **** drm to play it, but at least keep it to yourself. Think of piracy as something that so many people do but the same ammount of people also condemn in public. Perhaps it should stay under the rug, or at least off the GS forums.

Piracy isn't enough guys, you should take it to the next step, like...not playing the game, not talking about it, forget it exists, move on, no matter how you look at it, you're contradicting yourself if you plan on pirating it, when did no morals become the best morals? contradiction and hypocrisyDanielDust

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]Piracy isn't enough guys, you should take it to the next step, like...not playing the game, not talking about it, forget it exists, move on, no matter how you look at it, you're contradicting yourself if you plan on pirating it, when did no morals become the best morals? contradiction and hypocrisyFelipeInside

... they have destroyed many great PC developers and hey they even had the audacity to name their DRM crap after one of them.

charmingcharlie

glad to see someone else is annoyed by this decision. Origin Systems (along w/ MicroProse, Interplay, Bullfrog, Sierra, etc) is one of the devs responsible for my move from consoles to pc gaming waaay back in the day.

And what franchises has EA destroyed? They, arguably, have the best games on the market today.

Arthur96

not sure if serious; dare I ask how long you've been a pc gamer? I'm too busy with Giants/Packers Playoff game atm to do a list for you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Electronic_Arts

[QUOTE="charmingcharlie"] ... they have destroyed many great PC developers and hey they even had the audacity to name their DRM crap after one of them.

JackBurton

glad to see someone else is annoyed by this decision. Origin Systems (along w/ MicroProse, Interplay, Bullfrog, Sierra, etc) is one of the devs responsible for my move from consoles to pc gaming waaay back in the day.

And what franchises has EA destroyed? They, arguably, have the best games on the market today.

Arthur96

not sure if serious; dare I ask how long you've been a pc gamer? I'm too busy with Giants/Packers Playoff game atm to do a list for you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Electronic_Arts

Acquisitions =/= Destroyed.

Simply not buying it,it's not the end of the world for a damn video game.Stop supporting GREEDY corporations !!!

FelipeInside, you make some valid points and sensible arguments, but you go totally off the rails by saying that forums bans should extend to losing access to your games. The gym analogy is a poor one because you are paying a recurring fee for gym services. The gym has the power to end those services with you, if you break the rules. When you buy games on Origin, you are buying a digital product. When you buy a product, it is yours unless you lose it, break it, or sell it. Now, if you come back to me with the idea that Origin games are not products, but services, then I will thank you. You would be proving my point that Origin and services like it are attacks on consumer rights, and we had it way better in the days of CD copy protection.

If EA maintains the policy of forum bans extending to game bans, then that is the biggest reason I can see to hate Origin over Steam. A full account ban should not be taken lightly, and only used in cases of blatantly hacking the system, or proven criminal activity. A guy acting like a dickhead on a forum? Come on, people. That doesn't even compare to real, criminal activites.

FelipeInside, you make some valid points and sensible arguments, but you go totally off the rails by saying that forums bans should extend to losing access to your games. The gym analogy is a poor one because you are paying a recurring fee for gym services. The gym has the power to end those services with you, if you break the rules. When you buy games on Origin, you are buying a digital product. When you buy a product, it is yours unless you lose it, break it, or sell it. Now, if you come back to me with the idea that Origin games are not products, but services, then I will thank you. You would be proving my point that Origin and services like it are attacks on consumer rights, and we had it way better in the days of CD copy protection.

If EA maintains the policy of forum bans extending to game bans, then that is the biggest reason I can see to hate Origin over Steam. A full account ban should not be taken lightly, and only used in cases of blatantly hacking the system, or proven criminal activity. A guy acting like a dickhead on a forum? Come on, people. That doesn't even compare to real, criminal activites.

Falconoffury

EA, Valve, and any publisher that has a digital distribution service should treat the games they sell as products, as much as possible. Our game CDs from back in the day were products, to us gamers. In the days before online activation, there was no way a publisher could revoke our license to the games we bought. The fact that a forum ban extends to losing access to your games speaks volumes about EA's commitment to the rights of its customers. They should be issuing refunds to us for the games they are forcibly taking back.

I agree that perma-bans = losing all your games are extreme. I don't care if the person bad-mouthed EA or any of its developers. We should be able to voice our opinions. If they cannot take it, then they could always delete comments. I will never understand why they must go to such extremes to prove a point, when all it does was kick the customer in the balls for an opinion whether it was over a small or big rule-breaking comment/opinion.

Ban people for cheating, hacking, tampering with the games but don't take away their purchased games because it's their amendment to speak freely.

Just annoying for me, I'm not a fan of Origin and hope EA won't damage a Bioware title again.

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[QUOTE="charmingcharlie"]

glad to see someone else is annoyed by this decision. Origin Systems (along w/ MicroProse, Interplay, Bullfrog, Sierra, etc) is one of the devs responsible for my move from consoles to pc gaming waaay back in the day.

[QUOTE="Arthur96"] And what franchises has EA destroyed? They, arguably, have the best games on the market today.

FelipeInside

not sure if serious; dare I ask how long you've been a pc gamer? I'm too busy with Giants/Packers Playoff game atm to do a list for you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Electronic_Arts

Acquisitions =/= Destroyed.

Don't even bother, it won't change their minds. If ignorance is bliss than these people are the happiest in the world.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] But that's what I mean. Do you guys honestly believe ur PC is controlled by EA through Origin? If so, then by all means go to consoles.FelipeInside

No but I believe it gives EA a level of control over my game collection that I am not happy with them having. They have shown they cannot be trusted with that amount of control, they have shown that they will ban people from their entire collection of games for no reason whatsoever and will not even set up a procedure for you to contest such a ban. I mean seriously if you are going to argue for Origin stop saying bull like "do I think EA can control my computer" of course I don't but it does give them unprecedented control of my account and all my games on Origin (if I had any).

As for gaming on a console, well I have been a PC gamer for over 20 years and I can tell you right now console gaming looks a hell of a lot more attractive than the route the PC platform is going down. However I do not like the control schemes on consoles so that isn't an option for me. I will just have to be careful about which games I purchase on the PC platform and if that means I don't get to play EA games then that is life. After all I have stopped buying Ubisoft games, one more company like EA won't hurt (Mass Effect 3 was the only EA game I was interested in anyway).

But of course, cause you have the right to the license to play of the game, not the game itself. You think STEAM doesn't have control over ur account and all the games?

I'll like you to explain this, cause consoles are looking more and more like PCs each day. There are even online stores now (just like Origin)

Here is the thing, he didn't say anything about steam. You brought that up on your own. I'm guessing he doesn't play games on steam or origins. I don't play on origins but I do have 80 some games on my steam. I think I'll stick with one account.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] You BOTH are deluded. You think PIRATING does NOTHING to the game industry? Stop being so naive. There's nothing wrong with Origin. Unfortunately it's the way game companies are going, even on consoles, like it or not. You either put up with it and play awesome games, or u stop playing games altogether. NO EXCUSE GIVES YOU WARRANT TO PIRATE.FelipeInside

Couldnt have said it better myself felipe..Shouldnt even be allowed to talk about pirating things on this site..Its just wrong PERIOD!!!!

I'm sorry but you must be really naive if you think piracy ISN'T helping the industry just as much as it is hurting it.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

Couldnt have said it better myself felipe..Shouldnt even be allowed to talk about pirating things on this site..Its just wrong PERIOD!!!!

Stream_Beta

I'm sorry but you must be really naive if you think piracy ISN'T helping the industry just as much as it is hurting it.

Also, FYI I could give you quite a few reasons that gives someone the warrant to pirate something. One of them being,

something that SAVED someone's life because they pirated.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Exactly. And then people like Krelian come on this forum and act all high and mighty. He even has accused me of being BioWare and EA fanboy. I'm a fan of both those companies (not a fanboy), but how can he call me that when he obviously pirates.Stream_Beta

I'm sorry but you must be really naive if you think piracy ISN'T helping the industry just as much as it is hurting it.

Also, FYI I could give you quite a few reasons that gives someone the warrant to pirate something. One of them being,

something that SAVED someone's life because they pirated.

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Google is your friend.

Arthur96

So in other words you cannot find a single documented case of any innocent person being banned from steam. I checked google before I posted and I did not find a single case of an innocent person being banned from Steam. I had hoped you would provide a documented case that you know of but apparently I was hoping too much. I checked your crappy google search and the bans in that search result are all related to VAC bans which happen when you CHEAT in Multiplayer. As far as I am aware a VAC ban does not ban your account it just prevents you playing any multiplayer games that use the VAC protection.

I never said for one minute that Valve doesn't ban people from their service, it does but you have to be doing something pretty crappy to get banned from it. So unless you have an actual documented case where some one was banned from their steam account for no reason whatsoever the you have nothing. However in EA's case there are plenty of documented events where users were banned from their entire Origin account over something as silly and mundane as a forum post. There is even a situation where a user got banned from their games in Origin and they didn't even do anything wrong, their only crime was having their name quoted in an offensive post. So like I said till you can show us documented proof that Valve bans innocent people you do not have a leg to stand on.

Mate there have been instances where Valve have been very questionable. Take MW2 for example, thousands of people got banned for no reason, and all Valve did was compensate them with Left 4 Dead 2. How is that even fair? They were nowhere near the same price at the time.

No one hesitates to hate on EA because of a questionable past, yet no one stops to think just what Valve could do in the future, just because they wanted to. Both companies are in a very good position to manipulate and do whatever it is they want to with their customers. Valve employees aren't angels like many make them out to be, I'm honestly tired of all the Steam/Valve fanboys, it makes me sick to the bone.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/110/1108704p1.html

You were wrong. This time you didn't make it up, you were just plain wrong. Not only did valve restore their accounts and apologise, but he gave them all a copy of left 4 dead 2 for them, and one for a friend.

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I'm sorry but you must be really naive if you think piracy ISN'T helping the industry just as much as it is hurting it.

Also, FYI I could give you quite a few reasons that gives someone the warrant to pirate something. One of them being,

something that SAVED someone's life because they pirated.

DanielDust

Ok, then tell me why you think it doesn't do a lot of good. Show me your proof, show me some studies on both

how priacy is hurting the industry and how it is barely helping the industry.

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Stream_Beta

Ok, then tell me why you think it doesn't do a lot of good. Show me your proof, show me some studies on both

how priacy is hurting the industry and how it is barely helping the industry.

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[QUOTE="ChiliDragon"]Um... people? It makes it really hard for me to avoid moderating the PC forum, if the people in it keep talking about their intentions to pirate games. I see where you're coming from, Origin is a piece of garbage and I'm not getting ME3 for PC if they force me to use Origin, but can we please try to cut back on the "I'm going to pirate the game now"-comments? It's weekend and I really don't want to have to "work" now. :PFelipeInside

lol, I was wondering when someone was going to point that out. I have nothing against pirating a game because the company that sells it woud force me to download a piece of **** drm to play it, but at least keep it to yourself. Think of piracy as something that so many people do but the same ammount of people also condemn in public. Perhaps it should stay under the rug, or at least off the GS forums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLC_zZ5fqFk

Start at 1:01

This was a great video and I respect Gabe Newel more than any other game developer in the world because of it... ehh, maybe not that much, but he's a pretty awesome guy.

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[QUOTE="DanielDust"] And you were talking about naive? anything terrible in the world does something good for those that do those actions, that doesn't make it right as for piracy itself, no, it doesn't help gaming as much as its hurting it, how naive can you really be? does it do some good to it? sure, it's free publicity, does it do a lot of good? not even close.DanielDust

Ok, then tell me why you think it doesn't do a lot of good. Show me your proof, show me some studies on both

how priacy is hurting the industry and how it is barely helping the industry.

I can show you all the proof I want, but this isn't about me. Since you won't understand that first sentence, I will give you a glimps into mine then.

Just because fire can destroy and burn a city to the ground, it doesn't mean it is evil. Just because fire can hurt people doesn't mean it can't

help people survive and create a thriving civilization. It is not about what fire is at its core, but how the human race uses it and communicates

at the inner core.

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content. We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Main reason EA doesnt put Mass Effect 3 and other games on Steam is because its in direct competition with Origin. To say it have to do with Steams terms of service is an excuse.

I will still get Mass Effect 3 even if it were to require Origin. Tho I will opt out in paying money for anything from that service or go on the forums.

As good as it will probably be, I'm not going to buy it. I strongly believe that EA is the emperor palpatine of videogames, and I'm done supporting them.

Awesome, now i'll have more games on origin! Got enough on steam

[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="Stream_Beta"]

Ok, then tell me why you think it doesn't do a lot of good. Show me your proof, show me some studies on both

how priacy is hurting the industry and how it is barely helping the industry.

Stream_Beta

I can show you all the proof I want, but this isn't about me. Since you won't understand that first sentence, I will give you a glimps into mine then.

Just because fire can destroy and burn a city to the ground, it doesn't mean it is evil. Just because fire can hurt people doesn't mean it can't

help people survive and create a thriving civilization. It is not about what fire is at its core, but how the human race uses it and communicates

at the inner core.

Main reason EA doesnt put Mass Effect 3 and other games on Steam is because its in direct competition with Origin. To say it have to do with Steams terms of service is an excuse.

I will still get Mass Effect 3 even if it were to require Origin. Tho I will opt out in paying money for anything from that service or go on the forums.

Jd1680a

But isn't it on other DD services? Aren't they competition with Origin too?

I don't mind it too much though it's not needed.

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Main reason EA doesnt put Mass Effect 3 and other games on Steam is because its in direct competition with Origin. To say it have to do with Steams terms of service is an excuse.

I will still get Mass Effect 3 even if it were to require Origin. Tho I will opt out in paying money for anything from that service or go on the forums.

FelipeInside

But isn't it on other DD services? Aren't they competition with Origin too?

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[QUOTE="Jd1680a"]

Main reason EA doesnt put Mass Effect 3 and other games on Steam is because its in direct competition with Origin. To say it have to do with Steams terms of service is an excuse.

I will still get Mass Effect 3 even if it were to require Origin. Tho I will opt out in paying money for anything from that service or go on the forums.

DanielDust

But isn't it on other DD services? Aren't they competition with Origin too?

So they are BOTH at fault here???

Valve wants all DLC to be purchasable from Steam. EA wants to keep it exclusive. That's all.

Valve wants all DLC to be purchaseable from Steam. EA wants to keep it exclusive. That's all.

Baranga

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Valve wants all DLC to be purchaseable from Steam. EA wants to keep it exclusive. That's all.

FelipeInside

Yeah. EA is in a bad position as they need Origin exclusives too. Their strategy is to make the DLC exclusive instead of the base game, but Valve doesn't like that.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Baranga"]

Valve wants all DLC to be purchaseable from Steam. EA wants to keep it exclusive. That's all.

Baranga

Yeah. EA is in a bad position as they need Origin exclusives too. Their strategy is to make the DLC exclusive instead of the base game, but Valve doesn't like that.

As good as it will probably be, I'm not going to buy it. I strongly believe that EA is the emperor palpatine of videogames, and I'm done supporting them.

xLittlekillx

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[QUOTE="DanielDust"] How about you show some info to prove common sense wrong. Oh, but you don't have any, right? you want other people to show you where your aberrations are wrong.FelipeInside

I can show you all the proof I want, but this isn't about me. Since you won't understand that first sentence, I will give you a glimps into mine then.

Just because fire can destroy and burn a city to the ground, it doesn't mean it is evil. Just because fire can hurt people doesn't mean it can't

help people survive and create a thriving civilization. It is not about what fire is at its core, but how the human race uses it and communicates

at the inner core.

is there people who don't sleep well at night for downloading games? maybe because they played them till too late.

i for one see this as reason enough, give me steam me 3.