Mass Effect 3 will require Origin (Bioware confirmation)

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Stream_Beta"]

I can show you all the proof I want, but this isn't about me. Since you won't understand that first sentence, I will give you a glimps into mine then.

Just because fire can destroy and burn a city to the ground, it doesn't mean it is evil. Just because fire can hurt people doesn't mean it can't

help people survive and create a thriving civilization. It is not about what fire is at its core, but how the human race uses it and communicates

at the inner core.

Krelian-co

is there people who don't sleep well at night for downloading games? maybe because they played them till too late.

i for one see this as reason enough, give me steam me 3.

I don't understand why people care if games are on Origin, Steam, GFWL, etc. I mean I understand that it's nice to have your games in one place but honestly who in their right mind would pass up a great game that they could get 100's of hours of play out of because they have to take 10 minutes to set up a 3rd part program for it. Seem like a very petty complaint IMO.Croag821

I feel the same way. I actually prefer my games to be on a digital service than retail unless its an MMORPG. The retail versions of Dragon Age 2 and TOR link to your origin account like a steam works game and I have played Dragon Age from both the disc and launching it from origin as well as playing tor from just the laucning and from origin and both games worked just fine. People don't complain about blizzard games requiring battle.net so why comaplin about origin? I'm actually glad Mass Effect 3 requires origin unlike nothing like the first 2.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] All I hear from you Stream is "Blah Blah Blah this is a great excuse to pirate the games so I can play them for free Blah Blah Blah" We've heard it all before from people like you. You need to JUSTIFY what you believe are valid reasons for pirating so you can sleep well at night.FelipeInside

is there people who don't sleep well at night for downloading games? maybe because they played them till too late.

i for one see this as reason enough, give me steam me 3.

actually i do agree with you piracy affects industry and i like tu support developers, but when they show a little care about their customers, instead of forcing them to do install and agree unnecesary stuff, thats why i find offensive that they make me 3 origin only.

[QUOTE="Croag821"]I don't understand why people care if games are on Origin, Steam, GFWL, etc. I mean I understand that it's nice to have your games in one place but honestly who in their right mind would pass up a great game that they could get 100's of hours of play out of because they have to take 10 minutes to set up a 3rd part program for it. Seem like a very petty complaint IMO.toddx77

I feel the same way. I actually prefer my games to be on a digital service than retail unless its an MMORPG. The retail versions of Dragon Age 2 and TOR link to your origin account like a steam works game and I have played Dragon Age from both the disc and launching it from origin as well as playing tor from just the laucning and from origin and both games worked just fine. People don't complain about blizzard games requiring battle.net so why comaplin about origin? I'm actually glad Mass Effect 3 requires origin unlike nothing like the first 2.

Two reasons I see:

1- It's EA and people hate EA

2- Origin scans ur entire house for illegal substances and then send the SWAT Team automatically to crash through ur windows.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

is there people who don't sleep well at night for downloading games? maybe because they played them till too late.

i for one see this as reason enough, give me steam me 3.

Krelian-co

actually i do agree with you piracy affects industry and i like tu support developers, but when they show a little care about their customers, instead of forcing them to do install and agree unnecesary stuff, thats why i find offensive that they make me 3 origin only.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] You too Krelian have openly admitted to pirating games as a "way to get back at developers" If you still feel that way I have nothing to say to you. If you really think piracy does absolutely nothing BAD to the industry, then you really are naive.FelipeInside

actually i do agree with you piracy affects industry and i like tu support developers, but when they show a little care about their customers, instead of forcing them to do install and agree unnecesary stuff, thats why i find offensive that they make me 3 origin only.

im not gonna pass on playing mass effect 3, so thats not an option. I've played the first two and will most certainly play the final one, now, how, that answer depends on ea and bioware.

they make a crappy program, make a ridicously intrusive ToU agreement that invades my privacy, and then release a game i want to play and basically say if you want to play it, you must agree to our invasion of privacy, thats a disrespect to the customers.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] All I hear from you Stream is "Blah Blah Blah this is a great excuse to pirate the games so I can play them for free Blah Blah Blah" We've heard it all before from people like you. You need to JUSTIFY what you believe are valid reasons for pirating so you can sleep well at night.FelipeInside

is there people who don't sleep well at night for downloading games? maybe because they played them till too late.

i for one see this as reason enough, give me steam me 3.

Like I said you people won't listen at all, so there is no point in saying anything to you. It is like trying to tell you that the earth is round if

you were from the age before AD.

I'll say this...if somone pirates a game and then the developer gets 15 sales because that game was pirated. You would still

find that bad?

[QUOTE="toddx77"]

[QUOTE="Croag821"]I don't understand why people care if games are on Origin, Steam, GFWL, etc. I mean I understand that it's nice to have your games in one place but honestly who in their right mind would pass up a great game that they could get 100's of hours of play out of because they have to take 10 minutes to set up a 3rd part program for it. Seem like a very petty complaint IMO.FelipeInside

I feel the same way. I actually prefer my games to be on a digital service than retail unless its an MMORPG. The retail versions of Dragon Age 2 and TOR link to your origin account like a steam works game and I have played Dragon Age from both the disc and launching it from origin as well as playing tor from just the laucning and from origin and both games worked just fine. People don't complain about blizzard games requiring battle.net so why comaplin about origin? I'm actually glad Mass Effect 3 requires origin unlike nothing like the first 2.

Two reasons I see:

1- It's EA and people hate EA

2- Origin scans ur entire house for illegal substances and then send the SWAT Team automatically to crash through ur windows.

VWALLA Respond to my comment on piracy you fool! That or admit defeat.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

actually i do agree with you piracy affects industry and i like tu support developers, but when they show a little care about their customers, instead of forcing them to do install and agree unnecesary stuff, thats why i find offensive that they make me 3 origin only.

Krelian-co

im not gonna pass on playing mass effect 3, so thats not an option. I've played the first two and will most certainly play the final one, now, how, that answer depends on ea and bioware.

they make a crappy program, make a ridicously intrusive ToU agreement that invades my privacy, and then release a game i want to play and basically say if you want to play it, you must agree to our invasion of privacy, thats a disrespect to the customers.

Nope, that depends ENTIRELY on you.

Ok, I'm not saying this as a fanboy before you get ideas. I'm saying them as facts:

1- Origin is far from crappy. It's in Beta form and works better than the final Steam version when it was released. The games launch quickly, the in-game UI could do with a bit of tweaking but works, the games patch themselves correctly and the Friends System works. Please tell me what's so crappy about it?

2- I still have not found proof or anything about the invasion of privacy. The SWAT Team hasn't broken into my house or anyone else.

3- "and then release a game i want to play and basically say if you want to play it, you must agree to our invasion of privacy,", let me correct that for you "and then release a game i want to play and basically say if you want to play it, you must agree to our TERMS AND CONDITIONS, WHICH MEANS NOT PLAYING A PIRATED COPY,"

Again Krelian, it's up to you in the end, but don't use Origin as an excuse for pirating the game because that reason is not valid.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

is there people who don't sleep well at night for downloading games? maybe because they played them till too late.

i for one see this as reason enough, give me steam me 3.

Stream_Beta

Like I said you people won't listen at all, so there is no point in saying anything to you. It is like trying to tell you that the earth is round if

you were from the age before AD.

I'll say this...if somone pirates a game and then the developer gets 15 sales because that game was pirated. You would still

find that bad?

Nope, UR the one not listening. Piracy hurts more than it helps, end of story. If there was no piracy, there would be no DRM, get it? If u want to keep making up excuses for pirating game then go ahead, but don't come on here and tell us we are not listening to ur BS reasons.

Really? show me where a pirated game made more sales?

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="toddx77"]

I feel the same way. I actually prefer my games to be on a digital service than retail unless its an MMORPG. The retail versions of Dragon Age 2 and TOR link to your origin account like a steam works game and I have played Dragon Age from both the disc and launching it from origin as well as playing tor from just the laucning and from origin and both games worked just fine. People don't complain about blizzard games requiring battle.net so why comaplin about origin? I'm actually glad Mass Effect 3 requires origin unlike nothing like the first 2.

Flavorysoup

Two reasons I see:

1- It's EA and people hate EA

2- Origin scans ur entire house for illegal substances and then send the SWAT Team automatically to crash through ur windows.

VWALLA Respond to my comment on piracy you fool! That or admit defeat.

What are u talking about? Who are u talking to?

[QUOTE="toddx77"]

[QUOTE="Croag821"]I don't understand why people care if games are on Origin, Steam, GFWL, etc. I mean I understand that it's nice to have your games in one place but honestly who in their right mind would pass up a great game that they could get 100's of hours of play out of because they have to take 10 minutes to set up a 3rd part program for it. Seem like a very petty complaint IMO.FelipeInside

I feel the same way. I actually prefer my games to be on a digital service than retail unless its an MMORPG. The retail versions of Dragon Age 2 and TOR link to your origin account like a steam works game and I have played Dragon Age from both the disc and launching it from origin as well as playing tor from just the laucning and from origin and both games worked just fine. People don't complain about blizzard games requiring battle.net so why comaplin about origin? I'm actually glad Mass Effect 3 requires origin unlike nothing like the first 2.

Two reasons I see:

1- It's EA and people hate EA

2- Origin scans ur entire house for illegal substances and then send the SWAT Team automatically to crash through ur windows.

I don't much care for EA either but Im still going to but it.

As for pirvacy I don't care if EA scans my hard drive. I have nothing to hide and if EA wants to see what porn sites I have visted let them. I'll even e mail them if EA wants to know.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] It's good that u find it offensive, but pirating the games is NOT the answer. Just don't buy it, don't play it, give it bad reviews, don't hype it and even try through any means to complain to the company that you will never buy another game from them until they remove whatever u think needs removing.FelipeInside

im not gonna pass on playing mass effect 3, so thats not an option. I've played the first two and will most certainly play the final one, now, how, that answer depends on ea and bioware.

they make a crappy program, make a ridicously intrusive ToU agreement that invades my privacy, and then release a game i want to play and basically say if you want to play it, you must agree to our invasion of privacy, thats a disrespect to the customers.

Nope, that depends ENTIRELY on you.

Ok, I'm not saying this as a fanboy before you get ideas. I'm saying them as facts:

1- Origin is far from crappy. It's in Beta form and works better than the final Steam version when it was released. The games launch quickly, the in-game UI could do with a bit of tweaking but works, the games patch themselves correctly and the Friends System works. Please tell me what's so crappy about it?

2- I still have not found proof or anything about the invasion of privacy. The SWAT Team hasn't broken into my house or anyone else.

3- "and then release a game i want to play and basically say if you want to play it, you must agree to our invasion of privacy,", let me correct that for you "and then release a game i want to play and basically say if you want to play it, you must agree to our TERMS AND CONDITIONS, WHICH MEANS NOT PLAYING A PIRATED COPY,"

Again Krelian, it's up to you in the end, but don't use Origin as an excuse for pirating the game because that reason is not valid.

well origin is my reason for not buying me 3, so yes its my "excuse" if not i would'nt have bought the past 2 and all the dlcs. It may not be reason enough for you since you obviously support origin (shocking) but there is something that may come as a surprise to you: not everyone thinks the same, i do not like the ToU of origin and unless its changed or me 3 can be bought without the need of me accepting origin i wont buy it.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="Stream_Beta"]

Ok, then tell me why you think it doesn't do a lot of good. Show me your proof, show me some studies on both

how priacy is hurting the industry and how it is barely helping the industry.

Stream_Beta

I can show you all the proof I want, but this isn't about me. Since you won't understand that first sentence, I will give you a glimps into mine then.

Just because fire can destroy and burn a city to the ground, it doesn't mean it is evil. Just because fire can hurt people doesn't mean it can't

help people survive and create a thriving civilization. It is not about what fire is at its core, but how the human race uses it and communicates

at the inner core.

You're using a twisted version of Social Darwinism as the philosophical underpinning for your argument in support of piracy, in this instance...

LOL.

Don't hide behind half-baked rationalisations in order to give yourself legitimacy for contributing to a problem. Gain some ethics and vote with your wallet if you don't like what's being offered to you as a consumer. It's that simple. Piracy is a complex phenomenon, and the negative effect it has on the industry and the rest of us as consumers is perpetuated by the kind of **** you're spinning through pseudo-intellectualism; you're no better than an underhanded, corporate money launderer.

Since I refuse to install Origin I guess that I will have to skip ME3. That's fine though. After the crap story of ME2 I kinda lost interest.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

But isn't it on other DD services? Aren't they competition with Origin too?

FelipeInside

So they are BOTH at fault here???

Buy a game, email customer service and ask for a refund, they'll refund you the money and the game stays on your account.

If you want all the veteran points of your BF account, email the support to say one game wont activate to give you a point and they'll give you all the games on it lol.

[QUOTE="Stream_Beta"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] You too Krelian have openly admitted to pirating games as a "way to get back at developers" If you still feel that way I have nothing to say to you. If you really think piracy does absolutely nothing BAD to the industry, then you really are naive.FelipeInside

Like I said you people won't listen at all, so there is no point in saying anything to you. It is like trying to tell you that the earth is round if

you were from the age before AD.

I'll say this...if somone pirates a game and then the developer gets 15 sales because that game was pirated. You would still

find that bad?

Nope, UR the one not listening. Piracy hurts more than it helps, end of story. If there was no piracy, there would be no DRM, get it? If u want to keep making up excuses for pirating game then go ahead, but don't come on here and tell us we are not listening to ur BS reasons.

Really? show me where a pirated game made more sales?

Show me a study of where it shows that piracy is hurting more than helping, otherwise stop saying that it is hurting more than it is helping.

They are not excuses if the developers are getting more money than if downloads of gaming didn't exist. Piracy didn't bring DRM into the

world. It was high corporate people that started complaining about losing sales because they think 10 downloads = 10 lost sales, which if anyone

believes that then that person is naive. A lot of people out there will download a game and buy it also, they will in part tell other people about

how great the game was and so on so forth. But if they didn't download it then they would have never known how great the game was and never

would have told their friends about it.

Also about you question, show you what? A game that has made more sales than the number of people that pirated it? Or a game

that has made more money because of pirating? Please be specific, I don't want to give different answers to questions that you

didn't want.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="Stream_Beta"]

Like I said you people won't listen at all, so there is no point in saying anything to you. It is like trying to tell you that the earth is round if

you were from the age before AD.

I'll say this...if somone pirates a game and then the developer gets 15 sales because that game was pirated. You would still

find that bad?

Stream_Beta

Nope, UR the one not listening. Piracy hurts more than it helps, end of story. If there was no piracy, there would be no DRM, get it? If u want to keep making up excuses for pirating game then go ahead, but don't come on here and tell us we are not listening to ur BS reasons.

Really? show me where a pirated game made more sales?

Show me a study of where it shows that piracy is hurting more than helping, otherwise stop saying that it is hurting more than it is helping.

They are not excuses if the developers are getting more money than if downloads of gaming didn't exist. Piracy didn't bring DRM into the

world. It was high corporate people that started complaining about losing sales because they think 10 downloads = 10 lost sales, which if anyone

believes that then that person is naive. A lot of people out there will download a game and buy it also, they will in part tell other people about

how great the game was and so on so forth. But if they didn't download it then they would have never known how great the game was and never

would have told their friends about it.

Also about you question, show you what? A game that has made more sales than the number of people that pirated it? Or a game

that has made more money because of pirating? Please be specific, I don't want to give different answers to questions that you

didn't want.

c'mon, you know thats bs, and thats just a pathetic argument to pirate games, you know perfectly well that if people couldn't download the games for free they would be forced to buy them and you know thats true, some probably wouldn't which means downloads does not equal losses, but a great part of those who downloaded would pay for it if they had no other choise.

[QUOTE="Stream_Beta"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Nope, UR the one not listening. Piracy hurts more than it helps, end of story. If there was no piracy, there would be no DRM, get it? If u want to keep making up excuses for pirating game then go ahead, but don't come on here and tell us we are not listening to ur BS reasons.

Really? show me where a pirated game made more sales?

Krelian-co

Show me a study of where it shows that piracy is hurting more than helping, otherwise stop saying that it is hurting more than it is helping.

They are not excuses if the developers are getting more money than if downloads of gaming didn't exist. Piracy didn't bring DRM into the

world. It was high corporate people that started complaining about losing sales because they think 10 downloads = 10 lost sales, which if anyone

believes that then that person is naive. A lot of people out there will download a game and buy it also, they will in part tell other people about

how great the game was and so on so forth. But if they didn't download it then they would have never known how great the game was and never

would have told their friends about it.

Also about you question, show you what? A game that has made more sales than the number of people that pirated it? Or a game

that has made more money because of pirating? Please be specific, I don't want to give different answers to questions that you

didn't want.

c'mon, you know thats bs, and thats just a pathetic argument to pirate games, you know perfectly well that if people couldn't download the games for free they would be forced to buy them and you know thats true, some probably wouldn't which means downloads does not equal losses, but a great part of those who downloaded would pay for it if they had no other choise.

Stupid Gamespot, well I guess that is a sign to end this tread, when you end up typing a whole page for a responce and Gamespot fails during the posting code. I'll just summarize my page with one sentance about this tread "GPL 4 life!"

The rest of you can stay in your ignorant bliss land of black and white, where you are afriad to use fire. There is a reason America is falling apart and is divided on every major topic, all of you are the face to that reason. It's sad...

Yep ignorance is bliss, the fact that you just said what you did thinking that it's describing us when in fact it's describing what you just did and what you believe, proves it.

I also have bad news for you, I doubt most of the ones talking about your misguided beliefs have anything to do with America at the moment, at least the ones I noticed aren't at all related, including myself.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="Stream_Beta"]

Show me a study of where it shows that piracy is hurting more than helping, otherwise stop saying that it is hurting more than it is helping.

They are not excuses if the developers are getting more money than if downloads of gaming didn't exist. Piracy didn't bring DRM into the

world. It was high corporate people that started complaining about losing sales because they think 10 downloads = 10 lost sales, which if anyone

believes that then that person is naive. A lot of people out there will download a game and buy it also, they will in part tell other people about

how great the game was and so on so forth. But if they didn't download it then they would have never known how great the game was and never

would have told their friends about it.

Also about you question, show you what? A game that has made more sales than the number of people that pirated it? Or a game

that has made more money because of pirating? Please be specific, I don't want to give different answers to questions that you

didn't want.

Stream_Beta

c'mon, you know thats bs, and thats just a pathetic argument to pirate games, you know perfectly well that if people couldn't download the games for free they would be forced to buy them and you know thats true, some probably wouldn't which means downloads does not equal losses, but a great part of those who downloaded would pay for it if they had no other choise.

Stupid Gamespot, well I guess that is a sign to end this tread, when you end up typing a whole page for a responce and Gamespot fails during the posting code. I'll just summarize my page with one sentance about this tread "GPL 4 life!"

The rest of you can stay in your ignorant bliss land of black and white, where you are afriad to use fire. There is a reason America is falling apart and is divided on every major topic, all of you are the face to that reason. It's sad...

What is 'sad' is your continuous off-topic ranting, and laughable pseudo-intellectual rationalisations.

And you are correct: substantive contributions to this discussion from you have ended.

I can't beleive so many of you are not going to play Mass Effect 3 simply because it requires origin. I still bought the arkham games even though they require GFWL.

I can't beleive so many of you are not going to play Mass Effect 3 simply because it requires origin. I still bought the arkham games even though they require GFWL.

toddx77

[QUOTE="Flavorysoup"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Two reasons I see:

1- It's EA and people hate EA

2- Origin scans ur entire house for illegal substances and then send the SWAT Team automatically to crash through ur windows.

FelipeInside

VWALLA Respond to my comment on piracy you fool! That or admit defeat.

What are u talking about? Who are u talking to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLC_zZ5fqFk

Start at 1:01

This is the main reason why people pirate games. Listen to the Gabe. Listen to him.

You don't need to listen to shady interviews that Gabe makes, Gabe's beliefs are as follows:

1. Make multiplayer

2. Make quality games

3. Make a digital platform

That's how Gabe does it, it's not just about "make quality games and people won't pirate" not even close.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="Flavorysoup"]

VWALLA Respond to my comment on piracy you fool! That or admit defeat.

Flavorysoup

What are u talking about? Who are u talking to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLC_zZ5fqFk

Start at 1:01

This is the main reason why people pirate games. Listen to the Gabe. Listen to him.

This man is why I still have faith in the PC industry. Steam is obviously one of the biggest success stories for the PC in years and I find it mind boggling that other companies are not trying to imitate their actions to achieve similar results. Isn't the definition of insantiy to keep doing the same actions hoping for different results? Some of these companies obviously do not have a clue.

Not only did I see this coming, I do not care. Origin hasn't given me a single problem yet. I do know this isn't the case for everybody.

Bottom Line:

I'd absolutely would prefer for this game to be on Steam as it is my main digital platform, and main social platform now too (at least on the gmaing side fo the digitla equation. About the only other servicese I use are GOG, Battlenet, and now Origin since I'm forced to for a handful of games.

But yeah, I'm not going to pass on a game that will provide me with dozens of hours of fun, immersive gameplay, just because I have to woryr about Orgin for all of 2 minutes when setting it up. That's just incredibly shortsighted,

Also, pirating games stopped being an option for me when I turned 14 and you know, grew the f up.

I support the devs who make this great type of entertainment, and, although I certianly would prefer not to, I can tolerate a few minor inconvinieces imposed by some stupid corporate suits in order to get at the gmaing goodness that is ME3. They're certinaly not going to kepe me from having fun AND supporting the industry and platform I love.

Hell, I might even buy it again if it ever shows up on Steam, in terms of etertainment value for the dollar, I'd still be way ahead of just about anything else I enjoy to do, AND I'd be showing support for Steam and Bio.

As for pirates, who cares? These people aren't PC gamers. This is just another excuse to pretend to be legitimate while stealign a game they were going to steal anyway.

They don't support or care about the PC as a gmaing platform, the have no respect for the hard working devs, and any legitimate point they might have about stupid corporate boards makign dubious decisions when ti comes to PC games, is kinda of wiped out by the fact that they go around stealing games.

I say, remove them from the equation. PC gamers aren't pirates, and pirates aren't PC gamers, they're pirates.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="Flavorysoup"]

VWALLA Respond to my comment on piracy you fool! That or admit defeat.

Flavorysoup

What are u talking about? Who are u talking to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLC_zZ5fqFk

Start at 1:01

This is the main reason why people pirate games. Listen to the Gabe. Listen to him.

If Gabe doesn't care about piracy, why on Earth did he make one of the worst DRMs ever?

[QUOTE="Flavorysoup"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

What are u talking about? Who are u talking to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLC_zZ5fqFk

Start at 1:01

This is the main reason why people pirate games. Listen to the Gabe. Listen to him.

This man is why I still have faith in the PC industry. Steam is obviously one of the biggest success stories for the PC in years and I find it mind boggling that other companies are not trying to imitate their actions to achieve similar results. Isn't the definition of insantiy to keep doing the same actions hoping for different results? Some of these companies obviously do not have a clue.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="Stream_Beta"]

Show me a study of where it shows that piracy is hurting more than helping, otherwise stop saying that it is hurting more than it is helping.

They are not excuses if the developers are getting more money than if downloads of gaming didn't exist. Piracy didn't bring DRM into the

world. It was high corporate people that started complaining about losing sales because they think 10 downloads = 10 lost sales, which if anyone

believes that then that person is naive. A lot of people out there will download a game and buy it also, they will in part tell other people about

how great the game was and so on so forth. But if they didn't download it then they would have never known how great the game was and never

would have told their friends about it.

Also about you question, show you what? A game that has made more sales than the number of people that pirated it? Or a game

that has made more money because of pirating? Please be specific, I don't want to give different answers to questions that you

didn't want.

Stream_Beta

c'mon, you know thats bs, and thats just a pathetic argument to pirate games, you know perfectly well that if people couldn't download the games for free they would be forced to buy them and you know thats true, some probably wouldn't which means downloads does not equal losses, but a great part of those who downloaded would pay for it if they had no other choise.

Stupid Gamespot, well I guess that is a sign to end this tread, when you end up typing a whole page for a responce and Gamespot fails during the posting code. I'll just summarize my page with one sentance about this tread "GPL 4 life!"

The rest of you can stay in your ignorant bliss land of black and white, where you are afriad to use fire. There is a reason America is falling apart and is divided on every major topic, all of you are the face to that reason. It's sad...

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

im not gonna pass on playing mass effect 3, so thats not an option. I've played the first two and will most certainly play the final one, now, how, that answer depends on ea and bioware.

they make a crappy program, make a ridicously intrusive ToU agreement that invades my privacy, and then release a game i want to play and basically say if you want to play it, you must agree to our invasion of privacy, thats a disrespect to the customers.

Krelian-co

Nope, that depends ENTIRELY on you.

well origin is my reason for not buying me 3, so yes its my "excuse" if not i would'nt have bought the past 2 and all the dlcs. It may not be reason enough for you since you obviously support origin (shocking) but there is something that may come as a surprise to you: not everyone thinks the same, i do not like the ToU of origin and unless its changed or me 3 can be bought without the need of me accepting origin i wont buy it.

Exactly. It is TOTALLY FINE that you don't accept Origin, I can respect that. But if so, don't buy it but DON'T PIRATE IT cause then u are part of the problem.

I don't support Origin, I couldn't care less. I'm not going to let a harmless software where all u do is double click a button to stop me from playing ME3. Intrusive DRM was something like StarForce or the 20 steps of GTA4 DRM.

Origin works fast, good and stable. It's just EA's program for their software and an easier way for them to bring out updates and DLC.

If people think it's Big Brother, fine, but that's the stupidest excuse for piracy I have ever heard.

bioware is the most overrated company in history, this gives me a good excuse not to buy this gamejimbob1991

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Nope, that depends ENTIRELY on you.

FelipeInside

well origin is my reason for not buying me 3, so yes its my "excuse" if not i would'nt have bought the past 2 and all the dlcs. It may not be reason enough for you since you obviously support origin (shocking) but there is something that may come as a surprise to you: not everyone thinks the same, i do not like the ToU of origin and unless its changed or me 3 can be bought without the need of me accepting origin i wont buy it.

Exactly. It is TOTALLY FINE that you don't accept Origin, I can respect that. But if so, don't buy it but DON'T PIRATE IT cause then u are part of the problem.

I don't support Origin, I couldn't care less. I'm not going to let a harmless software where all u do is double click a button to stop me from playing ME3. Intrusive DRM was something like StarForce or the 20 steps of GTA4 DRM.

Origin works fast, good and stable. It's just EA's program for their software and an easier way for them to bring out updates and DLC.

If people think it's Big Brother, fine, but that's the stupidest excuse for piracy I have ever heard.

look i'm not gonna keep posting about the same issues talking to you is like talking to a rock, im gonna play me 3, and again, it depends on how based on the choises of ea and bioware, i couldn't care less your approval.

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well origin is my reason for not buying me 3, so yes its my "excuse" if not i would'nt have bought the past 2 and all the dlcs. It may not be reason enough for you since you obviously support origin (shocking) but there is something that may come as a surprise to you: not everyone thinks the same, i do not like the ToU of origin and unless its changed or me 3 can be bought without the need of me accepting origin i wont buy it.

Krelian-co

Exactly. It is TOTALLY FINE that you don't accept Origin, I can respect that. But if so, don't buy it but DON'T PIRATE IT cause then u are part of the problem.

I don't support Origin, I couldn't care less. I'm not going to let a harmless software where all u do is double click a button to stop me from playing ME3. Intrusive DRM was something like StarForce or the 20 steps of GTA4 DRM.

Origin works fast, good and stable. It's just EA's program for their software and an easier way for them to bring out updates and DLC.

If people think it's Big Brother, fine, but that's the stupidest excuse for piracy I have ever heard.

look i'm not gonna keep posting about the same issues talking to you is like talking to a rock, im gonna play me 3, and again, it depends on how based on the choises of ea and bioware, i couldn't care less your approval.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Exactly. It is TOTALLY FINE that you don't accept Origin, I can respect that. But if so, don't buy it but DON'T PIRATE IT cause then u are part of the problem.

I don't support Origin, I couldn't care less. I'm not going to let a harmless software where all u do is double click a button to stop me from playing ME3. Intrusive DRM was something like StarForce or the 20 steps of GTA4 DRM.

Origin works fast, good and stable. It's just EA's program for their software and an easier way for them to bring out updates and DLC.

If people think it's Big Brother, fine, but that's the stupidest excuse for piracy I have ever heard.

FelipeInside

look i'm not gonna keep posting about the same issues talking to you is like talking to a rock, im gonna play me 3, and again, it depends on how based on the choises of ea and bioware, i couldn't care less your approval.

ofc you do everyone who has a different opinion than you is like a rock to you, everyone has to accept you point of views

really? cause you have posted like 87568343 times people accept origin ea is good !

again, is it too hard to understand? if it wasn't for origin i would buy it, as i have the past 2 and as i always do with the games i like, that would be valid if i never buy any games but i guess that just too hard for you to accept

yes i can and most probably will

indeed thats what happens when they try to force me to agree to a ridicoulous ToU agreement just to play a game. Want to play the game? let us intrude your pc.

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Krelian-co

ofc you do everyone who has a different opinion than you is like a rock to you, everyone has to accept you point of views

Of course I respect other point of views. I've told you that u are entitled to not agree with Origin and EA (can't you read?). What I won't respect is people using BS reasons to pirate, like you have provided.

really? cause you have posted like 87568343 times people accept origin ea is good !

I never said EA is good, I said Origin is a stable, fast program that's better at BETA than Steam at full release (I compared it to Steam because that's the only other program I find similar). Lots of people on this forum have said they haven't had issues with Origin so far, again read correctly.

again, is it too hard to understand? if it wasn't for origin i would buy it, as i have the past 2 and as i always do with the games i like, that would be valid if i never buy any games but i guess that just too hard for you to accept

It's not hard to understand at all. Origin is here and you don't agree with it, perfectly fine. BUT, you want to play ME3 so ur gonna pirate it, not perfectly fine because u are CONTRADICTING YOURSELF (is THAT so hard to understand?)

yes i can and most probably will

See point above. Keep adding wood to the fire I guess instead of trying to put it out.

indeed thats what happens when they try to force me to agree to a ridicoulous ToU agreement just to play a game. Want to play the game? let us intrude your pc.

Hahahaha, this made me laugh. No one is FORCING anything on you. You can accept their ToU and play it, or not play it. And I have yet to see how Origin "intrudes" on ur PC, or are you just believing all the comments?

again, is it too hard to understand? if it wasn't for origin i would buy it, as i have the past 2 and as i always do with the games i like, that would be valid if i never buy any games but i guess that just too hard for you to accept

yes i can and most probably will

indeed thats what happens when they try to force me to agree to a ridicoulous ToU agreement just to play a game. Want to play the game? let us intrude your pc.

Krelian-co

There's a saying I believe we've all heard: "two wrongs don't make a right".

Games are a luxery item; no one is forcing you to pirate. Don't like it: vote with your wallet. Though, in your case, compulsive greed seems to be the moral imperative.

Not only did I see this coming, I do not care. Origin hasn't given me a single problem yet. I do know this isn't the case for everybody.

Wasdie

Origin is by EA, hence the hate. I just got my first taste of Origin through Dead Space 2 via Steam. A quick in-game registration, and I was off and playing, painless. Didn't even have to go to the Origin website iirc.

ah its annoying to keep posting the same bs, i will play me3 and i won't install origin, period. you aproval? i don't care.

ah its annoying to keep posting the same bs, i will play me3 and i won't install origin, period. you aproval? i don't care.

Krelian-co

MY FREE ENTERTAINMENT

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Exactly. It is TOTALLY FINE that you don't accept Origin, I can respect that. But if so, don't buy it but DON'T PIRATE IT cause then u are part of the problem.

I don't support Origin, I couldn't care less. I'm not going to let a harmless software where all u do is double click a button to stop me from playing ME3. Intrusive DRM was something like StarForce or the 20 steps of GTA4 DRM.

Origin works fast, good and stable. It's just EA's program for their software and an easier way for them to bring out updates and DLC.

If people think it's Big Brother, fine, but that's the stupidest excuse for piracy I have ever heard.

FelipeInside

look i'm not gonna keep posting about the same issues talking to you is like talking to a rock, im gonna play me 3, and again, it depends on how based on the choises of ea and bioware, i couldn't care less your approval.

Actually, both of you are being rocks. Piracy is a result of bad service and distribution. EA provided bad service and in this case a bad distribution method and the result is many people pirating EA games. If EA concentrated more on their distribution method and service and less on tons of annoying anti-piracy tools that don't really work and only annoy people who actually pay for the game then people would hate on them less.

Yes, if people who pirate games didn't exist we wouldn't have this DRM problem. But they do. And EA is taking a step in the wrong direction of preventing piracy. Maybe they should take a lesson from valve. Some people may hate steam, but they actually know how to lower piracy rateseffectively.

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look i'm not gonna keep posting about the same issues talking to you is like talking to a rock, im gonna play me 3, and again, it depends on how based on the choises of ea and bioware, i couldn't care less your approval.

Flavorysoup

Actually, both of you are being rocks. Piracy is a result of bad service and distribution. EA provided bad service and in this case a bad distribution method and the result is many people pirating EA games. If EA concentrated more on their distribution method and service and less on tons of annoying anti-piracy tools that don't really work and only annoy people who actually pay for the game then people would hate on them less.

Yes, if people who pirate games didn't exist we wouldn't have this DRM problem. But they do. And EA is taking a step in the wrong direction of preventing piracy. Maybe they should take a lesson from valve. Some people may hate steam, but they actually know how to lower piracy rateseffectively.

ah its annoying to keep posting the same bs, i will play me3 and i won't install origin, period. you aproval? i don't care.

Krelian-co

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I think u are being the rock here pardon me saying. I don't want to give out an approval or not, I couldn't care less what you do. BUT, admit u are part of the problem and don't use Origin as an excuse. If people like you who pirate didn't exist, we might not have DRM at all. I'll say it one last time, vote with ur wallet and make them know they are doing wrong (by ur standards). U can't have it both ways mate, ur basically saying "I don't agree with ur procedure but I'm gonna use ur product anyway"FelipeInside

Actually, both of you are being rocks. Piracy is a result of bad service and distribution. EA provided bad service and in this case a bad distribution method and the result is many people pirating EA games. If EA concentrated more on their distribution method and service and less on tons of annoying anti-piracy tools that don't really work and only annoy people who actually pay for the game then people would hate on them less.

Yes, if people who pirate games didn't exist we wouldn't have this DRM problem. But they do. And EA is taking a step in the wrong direction of preventing piracy. Maybe they should take a lesson from valve. Some people may hate steam, but they actually know how to lower piracy rateseffectively.

I KNOW GOD D*** IT! DO YOU NOT LISTEN TO A WORD I SAY?! No it does not justify it, but when EA does to prevent it makes it worse and they use the fact that it's getting worse to continue what they are doing! They are even supporting SOPA (which wouldn't work either as you can just enter the IP of a website and it will bypass the block). They need to do things the correct way or things will only get worse.

EA doesn't support SOPA, *might sound harsh but...* a person saying that would have to be stupid considering that EA is being sued for using certain models in BF 3 due to SOPA (and w/e similar things got invented lately PIPA or w/e).DanielDust

Sorry, it was EA doesn't support it, but also doesn't oppose it. My apologies, they have stayed neutral.