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#1 Full_Of_Stars
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Latest info from chat with IW employees and Best Buy:

Max players in PC MP is 9v9.
Lean has also been removed.
In house testing of IW.net gets pings/latency of 100ms - expect this to be much worse in the real world.
No way to kick players in ranked games.
All clan/group organisation and play is to be done through your friends list.

I've only skimmed through the transcript but looks like there are many more "fantastic" upgrades! Anyone who buys the pc version now is deranged. The attitude of the IW guys is really arrogant as well. When faced with any question where they have to admit that features have been removed, or the game experience won't be as good, or in response to the petition, their answers are very snide and snotty.

Read the full transcript: http://jalba.se/headz/files/text/bestbuymw2log.php

It's far worse than anyone expected.

EDIT: Linked link

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#2 aura_enchanted
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Latest info from chat with IW employees and Best Buy:

Max players in PC MP is 9v9.
Lean has also been removed.
In house testing of IW.net gets pings/latency of 100ms - expect this to be much worse in the real world.
No way to kick players in ranked games.
All clan/group organisation and play is to be done through your friends list.

I've only skimmed through the transcript but looks like there are many more "fantastic" upgrades! Anyone who buys the pc version now is deranged. The attitude of the IW guys is really arrogant as well. When faced with any question where they have to admit that features have been removed, or the game experience won't be as good, or in response to the petition, their answers are very snide and snotty.

Read the full transcript: http://jalba.se/headz/files/text/bestbuymw2log.php

It's far worse than anyone expected.

EDIT: Linked link

Full_Of_Stars

ppl neglecting the pc.. what else is new

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#3 Crimsader
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Lean is removed? Geezus Kreist, this sounds like a fail...

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#4 darkfox101
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Lol lean removed? That is indeed far worse. 9v9? Just totally trashed the PC version. I still do not understand the motive behind all this. I also like how they dodged every question that related to PC with the IW crap.
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#5 Baranga
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That was quite funny to read, the IW guys are such a bunch of douchebags. PC has custom stuff like mouse control :lol: Thank God I only care about the campaign.

Go Treyarch! Make another real PC COD!

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#6 fudgeblood
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Go Treyarch! Make another real PC COD!

Baranga
I doubt Treyarch will be any better, they will most likely make a copy of Modern Warfare 2 in a new setting with some new features (Like CoD4 and WaW) to fill in the time between MW2 and MW3.
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#8 Mochyc
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I've been buying CoD on the pc since CoD1; I think this means I won't be touching any newer CoD =/.
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#9 naval
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* lol pc version is not a port as it has mouse control, graphical settings etc * removed leaned as game was not designed for it (in other words they never added it) * no console in teh game and no mods as they want to us to play the game as they want (or something like this) :lol:
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#10 darkfox101
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"No, PC has custom stuff like mouse control, text chat in game, and graphics settings." CUSTOM MOUSE CONTROL"!?! This is ground breaking.
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#11 Baranga
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[QUOTE="Baranga"]

Go Treyarch! Make another real PC COD!

fudgeblood

I doubt Treyarch will be any better, they will most likely make a copy of Modern Warfare 2 in a new setting with some new features (Like CoD4 and WaW) to fill in the time between MW2 and MW3.

WaW had kickass campaign coop and that zombie mode. And a better story, I mean the Soviet campaign alone trashes Modern Warfare. And the best sniper level ever. Most importantly, it was a very gritty and brutal game while being subtle. There weren't as many epic OMFGWTFBBQ moments as in Modern Warfare, it was more about the little unexpected and extreme things that happened.

Also, IW hates Treyarch, they were even upset that they had to give them their engine. Not to mention that Treyarch is eager to make a name for itself, as it's been only bashed by IW purists until now. WaW's success made them one of the main Activision studios, so they may make better decisions than IW. Especially if the PC version of MW2 will flop.

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#12 naval
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"No, PC has custom stuff like mouse control, text chat in game, and graphics settings." CUSTOM MOUSE CONTROL"!?! This is ground breaking. darkfox101
text chat in a game .. who would have heard of such a thing :lol:
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#13 Tresca_
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Can't... stop... cringing...!

What the **** are Infinity Ward doing? Are the marketing team developing this game?

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#14 Enosh88
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9vs9 only? No more stupid 32vs32 bull****?

Thank you IW

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#15 Full_Of_Stars
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9vs9 only? No more stupid 32vs32 bull****?

Thank you IW

Enosh88

From what I've seen of you posting I'm sure you actually work for Activision/IW. You defend every negative action of theirs as though removing features and downgrading the experience is the best thing since sliced bread.

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#16 aura_enchanted
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[QUOTE="Enosh88"]

9vs9 only? No more stupid 32vs32 bull****?

Thank you IW

Full_Of_Stars

From what I've seen of you posting I'm sure you actually work for Activision/IW. You defend every negative action of theirs as though removing features and downgrading the experience is the best thing since sliced bread.

some people like small team fpsaction which imo is super fun it means you get to know each slimeball you frag a whole lot better. im assuming you played at leats some perfect dark or golden eye in mp back on the n64. the fun times that were had then were pwnage im sorry they were. too many people does bring a sense of a larger scale but you cant just keep jacking up a game population and call it innovative and fun.. after a while it starts to get really stale.

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#17 biggest_loser
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I like the 9v9 count. It should make things a bit more balanced. It was impossible to be dropped into a 30 player match and think that you could still win. All I'm worried about is latency.
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#18 samuraiguns
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lol, you have got to be kidding me...

Mr. Kotick better not try this again.

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#19 Enosh88
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From what I've seen of you posting I'm sure you actually work for Activision/IW. You defend every negative action of theirs as though removing features and downgrading the experience is the best thing since sliced bread.

Full_Of_Stars

:lol:

but no realy that's just pathetic, I have seen this argument on the IW forums, is that what it comes down? "zomg you work for IW!!111" and people wonder why I basicly hate most of the PC community, no I simply don't care, wait that's wrong, I actualy PREFER 9vs9 in CoD4 and thus most probably in MW2 and I am happy that IW put a limit on it.

don't like it, don't buy it

I like it, I'll buy it

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#20 pvtdonut54
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I wonder if the price will ever go down, just like how it hasn't with Call of Duty 4.

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#21 Cdscottie
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*Hammers another nail in the coffin* ...Hmm, I'm running out of nails.....
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[QUOTE="Full_Of_Stars"]

[QUOTE="Enosh88"]

9vs9 only? No more stupid 32vs32 bull****?

Thank you IW

aura_enchanted

From what I've seen of you posting I'm sure you actually work for Activision/IW. You defend every negative action of theirs as though removing features and downgrading the experience is the best thing since sliced bread.

some people like small team fpsaction which imo is super fun it means you get to know each slimeball you frag a whole lot better. im assuming you played at leats some perfect dark or golden eye in mp back on the n64. the fun times that were had then were pwnage im sorry they were. too many people does bring a sense of a larger scale but you cant just keep jacking up a game population and call it innovative and fun.. after a while it starts to get really stale.

Nothing wrong with having 32v32 as an option. There's just no excuse other than the game being designed around consoles.
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#23 Cdscottie
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Come on people, why get excited for getting less? I know back in my Battlefield days there use to be tons of 8V8 servers but that was the players choice. IW is forcing us into this decision and not even showing any compassion to part of their customer base. Remember, we are the customers and we should always want more. It's how innovation occurs and how we should push the people we BUY games off of. I mean would you want to go buy a brand new car to find that they replaced the CD Player with an 8 Track player? Then when you ask the sales person he tells you that it was the companies decision as someone liked the sound quality of the 8 Track over a CD? I know if that happened to me I'd walk out the door and never come back.
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#24 dakan45
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Lean is removed? Geezus Kreist, this sounds like a fail...

Crimsader
Why would they remove lean? :( Even secret service ultimate sacrifice had a lean.
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#25 dakan45
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That was quite funny to read, the IW guys are such a bunch of douchebags. PC has custom stuff like mouse control :lol: Thank God I only care about the campaign.

Go Treyarch! Make another real PC COD!

Baranga
Sure, sure, treyach forgot to add weapon innacuracy, i could unload a bar with 100% accuracy, ask me thats consolish to the bone.
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#26 fudgeblood
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[QUOTE="Crimsader"]

Lean is removed? Geezus Kreist, this sounds like a fail...

dakan45
Why would they remove lean? :( Even secret service ultimate sacrifice had a lean.

Because Infinity Ward is a terrible company that only cares about consoles and is arrogant enough to pull a dick move like this and simply laugh? Just my 2 cents..
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#27 simardbrad
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[QUOTE="Baranga"]

That was quite funny to read, the IW guys are such a bunch of douchebags. PC has custom stuff like mouse control :lol: Thank God I only care about the campaign.

Go Treyarch! Make another real PC COD!

dakan45

Sure, sure, treyach forgot to add weapon innacuracy, i could unload a bar with 100% accuracy, ask me thats consolish to the bone.

I know for a fact that you are lying, there is definetly recoil on the gun since I own the game and play it. I'll admit it is pretty accurate though.

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#29 dakan45
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[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Baranga"]

That was quite funny to read, the IW guys are such a bunch of douchebags. PC has custom stuff like mouse control :lol: Thank God I only care about the campaign.

Go Treyarch! Make another real PC COD!

simardbrad

Sure, sure, treyach forgot to add weapon innacuracy, i could unload a bar with 100% accuracy, ask me thats consolish to the bone.

I know for a fact that you are lying, there is definetly recoil on the gun since I own the game and play it. I'll admit it is pretty accurate though.

Emm no, i actually did it. I unloaded a bar in full auto, ok maybe i did not unload :) it but i fired about 6 bullets with sight aiming in the second us compaign level and there was only one hole at the wall.
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#30 BattleforAzerot
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Bah , they werent so bad at answering questions.In lot of time it seems that they are rather in a hurry just to get the game done before the deadline.As regards to a dedicated servers , i noticed this in that chatting log :

Will IW ever consider developing games on the PC to support dedicated servers, be it MW2 patches or future endeavors? Just curious if dedicated servers are on the radar anymore.
02:13 Mackey-IW
Our goal is to provide the best experience for our users, so nothing is ever "off the table". We are always evaluating our options.

02:14 zackattack300

I used bold text , because i coulnt get the quote tags to work.

Anyway , my quess is that they just try to get the game done by the deadline and then see what they do with the modding , console , dedicated servers and many many more elements.Just my quess.Its just they have no time right now and they dont want to throw promises.

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#31 teardropmina
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com'on guys, be so nerdy over all these is just not cool! IW is so generous to their PC fans as to add mouse control and setting configuration...these console gamers don't get. that is, they actually respect their PC fans more.

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[QUOTE="Full_Of_Stars"]

From what I've seen of you posting I'm sure you actually work for Activision/IW. You defend every negative action of theirs as though removing features and downgrading the experience is the best thing since sliced bread.

Enosh88

:lol:

but no realy that's just pathetic, I have seen this argument on the IW forums, is that what it comes down? "zomg you work for IW!!111" and people wonder why I basicly hate most of the PC community, no I simply don't care, wait that's wrong, I actualy PREFER 9vs9 in CoD4 and thus most probably in MW2 and I am happy that IW put a limit on it.

don't like it, don't buy it

I like it, I'll buy it

I don't think you work for IW. But being an IW apologist is just as bad. Anyone who supports games without dedicated [clan] servers and unlimited modability is like a man deliberately eating salt peter. What ever is possessing you to sabotage yourself like this?
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#33 thusaha
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LOL That's really poor decision. I'd buy this game only if it goes 80% off.
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#34 dakan45
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[QUOTE="Enosh88"]

[QUOTE="Full_Of_Stars"]

From what I've seen of you posting I'm sure you actually work for Activision/IW. You defend every negative action of theirs as though removing features and downgrading the experience is the best thing since sliced bread.

WDT-BlackKat

:lol:

but no realy that's just pathetic, I have seen this argument on the IW forums, is that what it comes down? "zomg you work for IW!!111" and people wonder why I basicly hate most of the PC community, no I simply don't care, wait that's wrong, I actualy PREFER 9vs9 in CoD4 and thus most probably in MW2 and I am happy that IW put a limit on it.

don't like it, don't buy it

I like it, I'll buy it

I don't think you work for IW. But being an IW apologist is just as bad. Anyone who supports games without dedicated [clan] servers and unlimited modability is like a man deliberately eating salt peter. What ever is possessing you to sabotage yourself like this?

I dont care about the lack of dedicated servers. Maybe thats because i wanna go in and play, I dont care about clans or specific servers to play. But seriously they took out the lean? What the hell? :shock: Shame on IW, Id rather they delay the pc version and fix all those things. :(
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#35 Maqda7
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After you use the 25 kill streak, the game ends. SAY WHAT?
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#36 Dark_prince123
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After you use the 25 kill streak, the game ends. SAY WHAT?Maqda7
I read that IW took this nuke Strike from a COD 4 MOD Do Modders have copyrights or something ?
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#37 thusaha
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Look what happened to FEAR2.
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#38 dakan45
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Look what happened to FEAR2.thusaha
Well if you think about it, thats what is gonna keep happening from now on. Game developers will take away the unessacary stuff and keep making games like that with cheap porting and no dedicated servers. Slowly they will deminish pc gaming. I bet that we will see similar stuff in crysis 2, if not in 2 then maybe in crysis 3 after they see how many sales they get on consoles, they will start doing similar things to crysis 3 by taking out the lean and other stuff.
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#39 RobertBowen
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My understanding from reading the transcript is that this is basically a straight port of the console version. And if that is the case, some of you have misunderstood about the 9v9 player limit. You see, in CoD 4: Modern Warfare on X360, I think only one game mode supported 9v9, and that was Groundwar. Most of the other game modes actually supported less players. I managed to find some examples, but I'm sure an X360 player could fill you in with other details:

Game Modes:

* Team Deathmatch - Players: 6 - 12 (3v3 - 6v6). Score limit: 750 points. Kill: 10 points.
* Mercenary Team Deathmatch - Players: 6 - 12 (3v3 - 6v6). No parties. Score limit: 750 points. Kill: 10 points.
* Free-for-All - Players: 6 - 8. Score limit: 125 points. Kill: 5 points.
* Domination - Kill: 5 points (don't know player limit?)
* Ground War- Players: 18 (9v9)
* Sabotage - Kill: 10 points (don't know player limit)
* Headquarters - Kill: 5 Points (don't know player limit)
* Search and Destroy - Kill: 50 points (don't know player limit)
* Team Tactical - Small team games that play Team Deathmatch, Domination, Headquarters, Sabotage and Search & Destroy. Players: 4 - 6. Score limit: 500 points. Kill: 10 points.
* Cage Match - Players 2 (1v1). Score limit: 50 points. Kill: 5 points.

When they talk about 'playlists', they mean that only certain maps are available for each game mode, and you have no control over the map rotation. Don't like a map? Tough, your only option is to drop out and try another host. Oh...but IWnet will find the 'best connection' for you automatically, so don't be surprised if you end up with the same host you just left...

And I don't think some of you realise the depth of some of these changes they have mentioned.

You cannot open the console (~ key). That means you cannot change your fps, your FOV (it will undoubtedly be set to 65 like most console games), demo anyone if you suspect them of cheating, or anything else to try to improve performance on your PC.

You cannot kick anyone from ranked matches. What does that mean? It means that rascists, griefers, team killers, spawn campers, spawn rapers, glitchers and hackers (cheaters) cannot be kicked at all during the match. As the IW devs said in that transcript, their advice is to use the 'MUTE' button to tune out offensive language (although they mention nothing about text messages, which are in the game), and they recommend using 'reflect damage' to dissuade team-killers. And you can guarantee that people will exploit the glitches in the maps - and IW's maps have always had glitches.

Players cannot control who hosts. That means all the clan ideas for setting up a decent rig on a good connection to act as host flies out the window, becuase IWnet will choose automatically based on ping. And speaking of ping, on their own internal tests they were getting 100ms or more. So you can guarantee it will be far worse on a global scale. The other thing is that you cannot control where you end up, so you might be in a game with players from lots of different countries, speaking different languages. Good luck with trying to communicate tactics to your team in that instance.

And taking out lean? Putting in 'death' streaks to reward you if you die too much? Honestly, that is just laughable.

In fact, most of the things I've read about the game are laughable. They've stripped out quite a few features from previous games in the series, and jacked up the price. But of course people will still buy it, because they must get their CoD fix. Quite sad, really.

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#40 Too_tight_shoes
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With all these things cut out and "downgraded" it makes you wonder what went on through their minds when they decided to increase the price from £29.99 to £34.99?!

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#41 teardropmina
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With all these things cut out and "downgraded" it makes you wonder what went on through their minds when they decided to increase the price from £29.99 to £34.99?!

Too_tight_shoes

they didn't cut out anything. MW2 (and maybe future CoD games) is a true multiplaform game: all platforms play the same and thus cost the same. so those "PC only" features are not supposed to be within the game package to begin with.

next stop, army of DLCs.

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#42 Too_tight_shoes
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[QUOTE="teardropmina"]

[QUOTE="Too_tight_shoes"]

With all these things cut out and "downgraded" it makes you wonder what went on through their minds when they decided to increase the price from £29.99 to £34.99?!

they didn't cut out anything. MW2 (and maybe future CoD games) is a true multiplaform game: all platforms play the same and thus cost the same. so those "PC only" features are not supposed to be within the game package to begin with.

next stop, army of DLCs.

Its understandable and im still getting the game for PC.
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#43 teardropmina
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Its understandable and im still getting the game for PC.Too_tight_shoes

knock yourself out!

it's lovely, the mutual undersanding between developers and their fans.

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#44 Gamartto
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Ignoring IW.net, is the PC version a direct port of the console version? 02:55 Mackey-IW No, PC has custom stuff like mouse control, text chat in game, and graphics settings.

I'm sold. :roll:
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#45 DanielDust
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Ignoring IW.net, is the PC version a direct port of the console version? 02:55 Mackey-IW No, PC has custom stuff like mouse control, text chat in game, and graphics settings.Gamartto

I'm sold. :roll:

Let's not forget about another three awesome features.

The structure of the game is different on PC, the files used, etc and also you have to install the game on PC and you must use the serial number that will grant you 10K lines of security against random people that want to play your game.

I can't believe I ended up using sarcasm on IW, I used to respect them :( still they're way better than Treyarch any day of the week but if this goes on...by the time they reach the next CoD I'll avoid any of their games.

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#46 OoSuperMarioO
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lol... Am I suppose to believe the text on this transcript?

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#47 RobertBowen
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lol... Am I suppose to believe the text on this transcript?

OoSuperMarioO

Believe what you want, but the BestBuy chat with IW took place last night, and the transcript is posted on the BestBuy Forums.

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#48 Bane_v2
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I'm convinced IW has lost their damn mind.
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#49 Baranga
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I'm convinced IW has lost their damn mind.Bane_v2

Or they're just trolling the community:P

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#50 Blind0bj3ct
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Eh, I was really about to pre order Mw2 tonight, but L4d2 takes its place! The demo was short, but too awesome. And 9v9 is weak, I liked the 32v32 and all this other custom stuff I could get for COD, whatever, maybe they'll realizing they're shotting themselves in the foot...actually, more like their face, and they'll fix everything the way WE want to play.