[QUOTE="mitu123"]
Also note guys that I may get a 1440p monitor in the future, so yeah!
GummiRaccoon
the 3GB 7970 would be better in the long run than a 2GB 680. And it is 100 dollars cheaper and it is available now.
That or a 4GB GTX 680.:PSo the 670 officially launches now!
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[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
[QUOTE="mitu123"]
Also note guys that I may get a 1440p monitor in the future, so yeah!
mitu123
the 3GB 7970 would be better in the long run than a 2GB 680. And it is 100 dollars cheaper and it is available now.
That or a 4GB GTX 680.:PSure, just go pick one up.
[QUOTE="mitu123"]
Also note guys that I may get a 1440p monitor in the future, so yeah!
GummiRaccoon
the 3GB 7970 would be better in the long run than a 2GB 680. And it is 100 dollars cheaper and it is available now.
No.
But yes I'll agree 680 is worth $500 maximum and not $550.
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
[QUOTE="mitu123"]
Also note guys that I may get a 1440p monitor in the future, so yeah!
Gambler_3
the 3GB 7970 would be better in the long run than a 2GB 680. And it is 100 dollars cheaper and it is available now.
No.But yes I'll agree 680 is worth $500 maximum and not $550.
that really is just a prediction
Why buy two 680, when a 690 is right around the corner. You could get a 7970 with a free game on NEgg, but keep in mind they charge $50 for returning a GPU that comes with a "free" game. It's a solid card, but keep AMD's driver support in mind. I don't know why people are saying the OC 7970 beats the 680, when it doesn't. It does in the games it was faster in the first place, like Metro etc. Also, the physX option is nice, but the Adaptive Sync is a great feature, which you csn set globally or on individual games. It works wonders in really GPU heavy games like Crysis 2 with DX11+HD textures. It basically disables vsync when needed per second, so you don't even notice it. But wait a month or so... they'll be all over the ne, maybe even cheaper once 690 and 670 come out.DevilMightCry
The drivers are fine.
[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Why buy two 680, when a 690 is right around the corner. You could get a 7970 with a free game on NEgg, but keep in mind they charge $50 for returning a GPU that comes with a "free" game. It's a solid card, but keep AMD's driver support in mind. I don't know why people are saying the OC 7970 beats the 680, when it doesn't. It does in the games it was faster in the first place, like Metro etc. Also, the physX option is nice, but the Adaptive Sync is a great feature, which you csn set globally or on individual games. It works wonders in really GPU heavy games like Crysis 2 with DX11+HD textures. It basically disables vsync when needed per second, so you don't even notice it. But wait a month or so... they'll be all over the ne, maybe even cheaper once 690 and 670 come out.GummiRaccoon
The drivers are fine.
Not for me they weren't. Also see this week's news about AMD Driver support.... I am not saying the drivers are horrible, just that they are not as good, when you look at the history, and from my own experience.[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Why buy two 680, when a 690 is right around the corner. You could get a 7970 with a free game on NEgg, but keep in mind they charge $50 for returning a GPU that comes with a "free" game. It's a solid card, but keep AMD's driver support in mind. I don't know why people are saying the OC 7970 beats the 680, when it doesn't. It does in the games it was faster in the first place, like Metro etc. Also, the physX option is nice, but the Adaptive Sync is a great feature, which you csn set globally or on individual games. It works wonders in really GPU heavy games like Crysis 2 with DX11+HD textures. It basically disables vsync when needed per second, so you don't even notice it. But wait a month or so... they'll be all over the ne, maybe even cheaper once 690 and 670 come out.DevilMightCry
The drivers are fine.
Not for me they weren't. Also see this week's news about AMD Driver support.... I am not saying the drivers are horrible, just that they are not as good, when you look at the history, and from my own experience.From that argument nVidias drivers are worse because there was a revision that fried their cards.
Not for me they weren't. Also see this week's news about AMD Driver support.... I am not saying the drivers are horrible, just that they are not as good, when you look at the history, and from my own experience.[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
The drivers are fine.
GummiRaccoon
From that argument nVidias drivers are worse because there was a revision that fried their cards.
Not really. I am comparing drivers relative to now. I would argue your point ... several years ago.[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Not for me they weren't. Also see this week's news about AMD Driver support.... I am not saying the drivers are horrible, just that they are not as good, when you look at the history, and from my own experience.DevilMightCry
From that argument nVidias drivers are worse because there was a revision that fried their cards.
Not really. I am comparing drivers relative to now. I would argue your point ... several years ago.There is approximately 1 year difference between nvidia frying their cards and the problems with rage, which were ids fault.
Not really. I am comparing drivers relative to now. I would argue your point ... several years ago.[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
From that argument nVidias drivers are worse because there was a revision that fried their cards.
GummiRaccoon
There is approximately 1 year difference between nvidia frying their cards and the problems with rage, which were ids fault.
Fine, put your blinders on. You're right... nothing wrong with AMD drivers, just my imagination.[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Not really. I am comparing drivers relative to now. I would argue your point ... several years ago. DevilMightCry
There is approximately 1 year difference between nvidia frying their cards and the problems with rage, which were ids fault.
Fine, put your blinders on. You're right... nothing wrong with AMD drivers, just my imagination.I never said there was nothing wrong with them. I said they were fine. Especially when compared to nvidias. Both are pretty ok. Neither is much better than the other.
Not for me they weren't. Also see this week's news about AMD Driver support.... I am not saying the drivers are horrible, just that they are not as good, when you look at the history, and from my own experience.[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
The drivers are fine.
GummiRaccoon
From that argument nVidias drivers are worse because there was a revision that fried their cards.
Was it that one guy who made the news because he OVERVOLTED? :P And then therefore he and others blamed the drivers? Or is this referring to another article I don't know about? :)
Fine, put your blinders on. You're right... nothing wrong with AMD drivers, just my imagination.[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
There is approximately 1 year difference between nvidia frying their cards and the problems with rage, which were ids fault.
GummiRaccoon
I never said there was nothing wrong with them. I said they were fine. Especially when compared to nvidias. Both are pretty ok. Neither is much better than the other.
Nvidia is much better than AMD in terms of drivers. This is coming from my personal experience and from what I have noticed with everyone
else. AMD graphics cards have a lot more problems with a lot more games than Nvidia does. I have noticed a lot of gamers that have problems with
a certain game because they are running AMD and the Nvidia gamers are doing just fine. Which is what I have noticed around me, my 2 friends and I
that run Nvidia cards never/rarely have problems because of drivers or games (in general), which my other 4 friends that are running AMD cards seem
to have problems which every other video game they play.
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Fine, put your blinders on. You're right... nothing wrong with AMD drivers, just my imagination. Stream_Beta
I never said there was nothing wrong with them. I said they were fine. Especially when compared to nvidias. Both are pretty ok. Neither is much better than the other.
Nvidia is much better than AMD in terms of drivers. This is coming from my personal experience and from what I have noticed with everyone
else. AMD graphics cards have a lot more problems with a lot more games than Nvidia does. I have noticed a lot of gamers that have problems with
a certain game because they are running AMD and the Nvidia gamers are doing just fine. Which is what I have noticed around me, my 2 friends and I
that run Nvidia cards never/rarely have problems because of drivers or games (in general), which my other 4 friends that are running AMD cards seem
to have problems which every other video game they play.
Examples please.
[QUOTE="Stream_Beta"]
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
I never said there was nothing wrong with them. I said they were fine. Especially when compared to nvidias. Both are pretty ok. Neither is much better than the other.
Silicel1
Nvidia is much better than AMD in terms of drivers. This is coming from my personal experience and from what I have noticed with everyone
else. AMD graphics cards have a lot more problems with a lot more games than Nvidia does. I have noticed a lot of gamers that have problems with
a certain game because they are running AMD and the Nvidia gamers are doing just fine. Which is what I have noticed around me, my 2 friends and I
that run Nvidia cards never/rarely have problems because of drivers or games (in general), which my other 4 friends that are running AMD cards seem
to have problems which every other video game they play.
Examples please.Not every video driver will work with every computer configuration. I haven't picked up any ATI/AMD cards because I'm kind of partial to Nvidia and usually I can find a good deal on Nvidia cards if I look hard enough so I tend to stick with them.
I've had a lot of driver problems with Nvidia before. Maybe it was due to SLI setups I was running....when I ran dual 8800GTS 512MB the only stable driver I had for the longest time was 182.50. Anything else released after that, until the 2xx.xx drivers came out, made games that were having issues with SLI have more issues. Overall performance tanked in simple tasks of watching a DVD or a cut scene in a game stutter like trying to run Crysis maxed on 1080p with a FX 5500.
I had games that I couldn't play all that well in SLI for months until the 2xx.xx drivers game out, after that all my issues went away. I eventually found a deal on two GTX 280s (about $400) and ran with them for 2 years. I can't say I had any problems I can think of with drivers and games not supporting SLI with my dual GTX 280s.
I know one of the 28x.xx drivers caused issues with dual monitors for me. If they went into sleep mode the second monitor would not wake up. I'd have to disable the 2nd monitor in the Display Settings and re-enable it. This meant that if I had any icons on the 2nd monitor, they'd all dump on the first and I have to move them all again.
So everyone has some sort of driver issues, whether it's with Nvidia or AMD. Not everyone will experience the same issues with the same drivers. Just face it, there is no perfect driver support for 100% of the people and their computers. If this were the case, we'd have nothing to cry about....and where's the fun in that?
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Fine, put your blinders on. You're right... nothing wrong with AMD drivers, just my imagination. Stream_Beta
I never said there was nothing wrong with them. I said they were fine. Especially when compared to nvidias. Both are pretty ok. Neither is much better than the other.
Nvidia is much better than AMD in terms of drivers. This is coming from my personal experience and from what I have noticed with everyone
else. AMD graphics cards have a lot more problems with a lot more games than Nvidia does. I have noticed a lot of gamers that have problems with
a certain game because they are running AMD and the Nvidia gamers are doing just fine. Which is what I have noticed around me, my 2 friends and I
that run Nvidia cards never/rarely have problems because of drivers or games (in general), which my other 4 friends that are running AMD cards seem
to have problems which every other video game they play.
1) your ability to format your post sucks
2) your anecdotal evidence is meaningless
[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Why buy two 680, when a 690 is right around the corner. You could get a 7970 with a free game on NEgg, but keep in mind they charge $50 for returning a GPU that comes with a "free" game. It's a solid card, but keep AMD's driver support in mind. I don't know why people are saying the OC 7970 beats the 680, when it doesn't. It does in the games it was faster in the first place, like Metro etc. Also, the physX option is nice, but the Adaptive Sync is a great feature, which you csn set globally or on individual games. It works wonders in really GPU heavy games like Crysis 2 with DX11+HD textures. It basically disables vsync when needed per second, so you don't even notice it. But wait a month or so... they'll be all over the ne, maybe even cheaper once 690 and 670 come out.GummiRaccoon
The drivers are fine.
Oh no there not!! This is coming from my setup of dual 5870's, the 12.3 drivers with the newest cap prevented me from playing Skryim completely. Had to wait for 12.4 and completely wipe the cap in order to get it running again, and I still can't enable MSAA in BF3 without it going crazy as well.
That adaptive synce sounds really good too, I am also waiting for the 680's to come back into stock, hopefully EVGA gets some more to newegg soon.
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Why buy two 680, when a 690 is right around the corner. You could get a 7970 with a free game on NEgg, but keep in mind they charge $50 for returning a GPU that comes with a "free" game. It's a solid card, but keep AMD's driver support in mind. I don't know why people are saying the OC 7970 beats the 680, when it doesn't. It does in the games it was faster in the first place, like Metro etc. Also, the physX option is nice, but the Adaptive Sync is a great feature, which you csn set globally or on individual games. It works wonders in really GPU heavy games like Crysis 2 with DX11+HD textures. It basically disables vsync when needed per second, so you don't even notice it. But wait a month or so... they'll be all over the ne, maybe even cheaper once 690 and 670 come out.ryangcnx-2
The drivers are fine.
Oh no there not!! This is coming from my setup of dual 5870's, the 12.3 drivers with the newest cap prevented me from playing Skryim completely. Had to wait for 12.4 and completely wipe the cap in order to get it running again, and I still can't enable MSAA in BF3 without it going crazy as well.
That adaptive synce sounds really good too, I am also waiting for the 680's to come back into stock, hopefully EVGA gets some more to newegg soon.
Oh god another "I update to every version of drivers that come out" newb.
This goes for both card companies:
NOT EVERY VERSION OF DRIVERS WILL WORK FOR EVERY PERSON FOR EVERY GAME ON EVERY COMPUTER.
DO NOT UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS UNLESS IT FIXES A PROBLEM YOU ALREADY HAD OR IT ADDS A FEATURE YOU NEED.
If 12.2 works fine and you update to 12.3 and it breaks a game, go back to 12.2.
Nvidia has the EXACT SAME PROBLEM.
90% of the drivers problems people have with drivers would be eliminated entirely if they didn't try 12 different driver versions every year.
I still update to the latest driver and dont have any problems. And it's auto-download it notifies me whenever a new version is available.Oh god another "I update to every version of drivers that come out" newb.
This goes for both card companies:
NOT EVERY VERSION OF DRIVERS WILL WORK FOR EVERY PERSON FOR EVERY GAME ON EVERY COMPUTER.
DO NOT UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS UNLESS IT FIXES A PROBLEM YOU ALREADY HAD OR IT ADDS A FEATURE YOU NEED.
If 12.2 works fine and you update to 12.3 and it breaks a game, go back to 12.2.
Nvidia has the EXACT SAME PROBLEM.
90% of the drivers problems people have with drivers would be eliminated entirely if they didn't try 12 different driver versions every year.
GummiRaccoon
I still update to the latest driver and dont have any problems. And it's auto-download it notifies me whenever a new version is available.[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
Oh god another "I update to every version of drivers that come out" newb.
This goes for both card companies:
NOT EVERY VERSION OF DRIVERS WILL WORK FOR EVERY PERSON FOR EVERY GAME ON EVERY COMPUTER.
DO NOT UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS UNLESS IT FIXES A PROBLEM YOU ALREADY HAD OR IT ADDS A FEATURE YOU NEED.
If 12.2 works fine and you update to 12.3 and it breaks a game, go back to 12.2.
Nvidia has the EXACT SAME PROBLEM.
90% of the drivers problems people have with drivers would be eliminated entirely if they didn't try 12 different driver versions every year.
Gambler_3
You don't need to announce it for everyone to know that you would be someone that would do that.
looking into it, the ti and no ti version rumours to be the same price, so why the difference?
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
The drivers are fine.
GummiRaccoon
Oh no there not!! This is coming from my setup of dual 5870's, the 12.3 drivers with the newest cap prevented me from playing Skryim completely. Had to wait for 12.4 and completely wipe the cap in order to get it running again, and I still can't enable MSAA in BF3 without it going crazy as well.
That adaptive synce sounds really good too, I am also waiting for the 680's to come back into stock, hopefully EVGA gets some more to newegg soon.
Oh god another "I update to every version of drivers that come out" newb.
This goes for both card companies:
NOT EVERY VERSION OF DRIVERS WILL WORK FOR EVERY PERSON FOR EVERY GAME ON EVERY COMPUTER.
DO NOT UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS UNLESS IT FIXES A PROBLEM YOU ALREADY HAD OR IT ADDS A FEATURE YOU NEED.
If 12.2 works fine and you update to 12.3 and it breaks a game, go back to 12.2.
Nvidia has the EXACT SAME PROBLEM.
90% of the drivers problems people have with drivers would be eliminated entirely if they didn't try 12 different driver versions every year.
You don't play skyrim do you or Batman AA, or you don't play many games at all? Games release year round you know and when each game releases usually drivers are released to help performanc. It sucks when I update a driver to fix one game, then it goes and breaks another. When BF3 came out I was waiting on every driver update to hopefully fix it too. So you must play 2+ year old games and no new ones, or you put up with horrible performance because you don't get the driver updates to fix the performance (well, they are ATI cards, so they never really fix the performance most of the time).
These stupid games have never 100% worked with AMD cards, we are still waiting for crossfire support for skyrim and some added stability for Batman and 12.3 was SUPPOSED to fix it (they claimed it got rid of the artifacts and extreme flashing, which it didn't. Plus the Diablo 3 beta benifited from 12.3, I was getting much better performance. So basically it's pick and choose which game you want to work, and no, before these atrocoius ati cards I had 2 7900 GT's in sli, 2 512 8800 GTS in sli and never had this many problems and I uptated every like 2 or 3 driver releases. With ATI i'm waiting on every driver release to hopefully fix something. The only reason I got the ATI cards was because they came out way before the GTX 480 and were about 100 bucks cheaper and I listened to all these Ati fanboys, (big mistake). So no, based on my previous experience Nvidia has always had the better driver support and less things going wrong and expecially if your running 2 cards.
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
Oh no there not!! This is coming from my setup of dual 5870's, the 12.3 drivers with the newest cap prevented me from playing Skryim completely. Had to wait for 12.4 and completely wipe the cap in order to get it running again, and I still can't enable MSAA in BF3 without it going crazy as well.
That adaptive synce sounds really good too, I am also waiting for the 680's to come back into stock, hopefully EVGA gets some more to newegg soon.ryangcnx-2
Oh god another "I update to every version of drivers that come out" newb.
This goes for both card companies:
NOT EVERY VERSION OF DRIVERS WILL WORK FOR EVERY PERSON FOR EVERY GAME ON EVERY COMPUTER.
DO NOT UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS UNLESS IT FIXES A PROBLEM YOU ALREADY HAD OR IT ADDS A FEATURE YOU NEED.
If 12.2 works fine and you update to 12.3 and it breaks a game, go back to 12.2.
Nvidia has the EXACT SAME PROBLEM.
90% of the drivers problems people have with drivers would be eliminated entirely if they didn't try 12 different driver versions every year.
You don't play skyrim do you or Batman AA, or you don't play many games at all? Games release year round you know and when each game releases usually drivers are released to help performanc. It sucks when I update a driver to fix one game, then it goes and breaks another. When BF3 came out I was waiting on every driver update to hopefully fix it too. So you must play 2+ year old games and no new ones, or you put up with horrible performance because you don't get the driver updates to fix the performance (well, they are ATI cards, so they never really fix the performance most of the time).
These stupid games have never 100% worked with AMD cards, we are still waiting for crossfire support for skyrim and some added stability for Batman and 12.3 was SUPPOSED to fix it (they claimed it got rid of the artifacts and extreme flashing, which it didn't. Plus the Diablo 3 beta benifited from 12.3, I was getting much better performance. So basically it's pick and choose which game you want to work, and no, before these atrocoius ati cards I had 2 7900 GT's in sli, 2 512 8800 GTS in sli and never had this many problems and I uptated every like 2 or 3 driver releases. With ATI i'm waiting on every driver release to hopefully fix something. The only reason I got the ATI cards was because they came out way before the GTX 480 and were about 100 bucks cheaper and I listened to all these Ati fanboys, (big mistake). So no, based on my previous experience Nvidia has always had the better driver support and less things going wrong and expecially if your running 2 cards.
I played them but I found them, meh games.
Not my fault you don't know how to into computers.
I would like to point you to the front page of this forum that has several threads with people with nvidia driver problems.
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
Oh no there not!! This is coming from my setup of dual 5870's, the 12.3 drivers with the newest cap prevented me from playing Skryim completely. Had to wait for 12.4 and completely wipe the cap in order to get it running again, and I still can't enable MSAA in BF3 without it going crazy as well.
That adaptive synce sounds really good too, I am also waiting for the 680's to come back into stock, hopefully EVGA gets some more to newegg soon.ryangcnx-2
Oh god another "I update to every version of drivers that come out" newb.
This goes for both card companies:
NOT EVERY VERSION OF DRIVERS WILL WORK FOR EVERY PERSON FOR EVERY GAME ON EVERY COMPUTER.
DO NOT UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS UNLESS IT FIXES A PROBLEM YOU ALREADY HAD OR IT ADDS A FEATURE YOU NEED.
If 12.2 works fine and you update to 12.3 and it breaks a game, go back to 12.2.
Nvidia has the EXACT SAME PROBLEM.
90% of the drivers problems people have with drivers would be eliminated entirely if they didn't try 12 different driver versions every year.
You don't play skyrim do you or Batman AA, or you don't play many games at all? Games release year round you know and when each game releases usually drivers are released to help performanc. It sucks when I update a driver to fix one game, then it goes and breaks another. When BF3 came out I was waiting on every driver update to hopefully fix it too. So you must play 2+ year old games and no new ones, or you put up with horrible performance because you don't get the driver updates to fix the performance (well, they are ATI cards, so they never really fix the performance most of the time).
These stupid games have never 100% worked with AMD cards, we are still waiting for crossfire support for skyrim and some added stability for Batman and 12.3 was SUPPOSED to fix it (they claimed it got rid of the artifacts and extreme flashing, which it didn't. Plus the Diablo 3 beta benifited from 12.3, I was getting much better performance. So basically it's pick and choose which game you want to work, and no, before these atrocoius ati cards I had 2 7900 GT's in sli, 2 512 8800 GTS in sli and never had this many problems and I uptated every like 2 or 3 driver releases. With ATI i'm waiting on every driver release to hopefully fix something. The only reason I got the ATI cards was because they came out way before the GTX 480 and were about 100 bucks cheaper and I listened to all these Ati fanboys, (big mistake). So no, based on my previous experience Nvidia has always had the better driver support and less things going wrong and expecially if your running 2 cards.
I've never had any driver issues with my 5850, I never had driver issues with my 4850, and I never had driver issues with my 9800 pro back in the day.
I had a number of issues with my old 7800 gt (which eventually died), I had a number of issues with my 8800 gt (which again, died), and i've had a number of issues with the 9800m in my laptop (which thankfully hasn't died).
Now i'm not saying that ati/amd products are perfect and that nvidia products are garbage, but individual experiences vary widely. With either crossfire or sli you have to expect some issues (especially with newer games), that's just the reality of the technology currently. Running multiple gpus is a little silly though unless you have a multi-monitor setup, but that's just my opinion.
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
Oh god another "I update to every version of drivers that come out" newb.
This goes for both card companies:
NOT EVERY VERSION OF DRIVERS WILL WORK FOR EVERY PERSON FOR EVERY GAME ON EVERY COMPUTER.
DO NOT UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS UNLESS IT FIXES A PROBLEM YOU ALREADY HAD OR IT ADDS A FEATURE YOU NEED.
If 12.2 works fine and you update to 12.3 and it breaks a game, go back to 12.2.
Nvidia has the EXACT SAME PROBLEM.
90% of the drivers problems people have with drivers would be eliminated entirely if they didn't try 12 different driver versions every year.
PTMags
You don't play skyrim do you or Batman AA, or you don't play many games at all? Games release year round you know and when each game releases usually drivers are released to help performanc. It sucks when I update a driver to fix one game, then it goes and breaks another. When BF3 came out I was waiting on every driver update to hopefully fix it too. So you must play 2+ year old games and no new ones, or you put up with horrible performance because you don't get the driver updates to fix the performance (well, they are ATI cards, so they never really fix the performance most of the time).
These stupid games have never 100% worked with AMD cards, we are still waiting for crossfire support for skyrim and some added stability for Batman and 12.3 was SUPPOSED to fix it (they claimed it got rid of the artifacts and extreme flashing, which it didn't. Plus the Diablo 3 beta benifited from 12.3, I was getting much better performance. So basically it's pick and choose which game you want to work, and no, before these atrocoius ati cards I had 2 7900 GT's in sli, 2 512 8800 GTS in sli and never had this many problems and I uptated every like 2 or 3 driver releases. With ATI i'm waiting on every driver release to hopefully fix something. The only reason I got the ATI cards was because they came out way before the GTX 480 and were about 100 bucks cheaper and I listened to all these Ati fanboys, (big mistake). So no, based on my previous experience Nvidia has always had the better driver support and less things going wrong and expecially if your running 2 cards.
I've never had any driver issues with my 5850, I never had driver issues with my 4850, and I never had driver issues with my 9800 pro back in the day.
I had a number of issues with my old 7800 gt (which eventually died), I had a number of issues with my 8800 gt (which again, died), and i've had a number of issues with the 9800m in my laptop (which thankfully hasn't died).
Now i'm not saying that ati/amd products are perfect and that nvidia products are garbage, but individual experiences vary widely. With either crossfire or sli you have to expect some issues (especially with newer games), that's just the reality of the technology currently. Running multiple gpus is a little silly though unless you have a multi-monitor setup, but that's just my opinion.
Well I'll chime in to say that I had a 4890 for years and it ran flawlessly. No serious driver issues. I just got a 7870 and its been a complete nightmare. I replaced it once and its still the same garbage. I put my old card in and its flawless. In certain games (e.g. Skyrim, Shogun 2) This card undergoes a complete system lockup requiring hitting the reset button. Other games like BF3, TW2, Crysis2 work great though. No reason that gaming errors should cause a complete system lockup instead of a simple CTD. After contacting AMD they said that they are aware with the issues with those games and its a compatibiltiy problem and I should be patient for the next CCC release and that the drivers need time to mature.
No sorry. I don't pay $360 to beta test your drivers and possibly harm my computer by countless resets of my computer. Its going back to Amazon today (Amazon are amazing btw. I ordered a replacement at 7pm and it arrived at noon the next day. Then they offered a full refund. All my components will be purchased through them from now on).
So yeah, I'm done with AMD. On the bright side, I discovered how cool Amazon is. Of course, someone will say its your PSU or your computer. No. I will bet my testicles that as soon as I get an nvidia card, it will work just fine.
I'm mostly looking forward to a price drop on the 7850 myself which didn't happen on the last round of price drops. Of course one the 660 comes out that would be a viable alternative(6870 would be pointless at it's current price, considering how close the 7950 is).
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
Oh god another "I update to every version of drivers that come out" newb.
This goes for both card companies:
NOT EVERY VERSION OF DRIVERS WILL WORK FOR EVERY PERSON FOR EVERY GAME ON EVERY COMPUTER.
DO NOT UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS UNLESS IT FIXES A PROBLEM YOU ALREADY HAD OR IT ADDS A FEATURE YOU NEED.
If 12.2 works fine and you update to 12.3 and it breaks a game, go back to 12.2.
Nvidia has the EXACT SAME PROBLEM.
90% of the drivers problems people have with drivers would be eliminated entirely if they didn't try 12 different driver versions every year.
GummiRaccoon
You don't play skyrim do you or Batman AA, or you don't play many games at all? Games release year round you know and when each game releases usually drivers are released to help performanc. It sucks when I update a driver to fix one game, then it goes and breaks another. When BF3 came out I was waiting on every driver update to hopefully fix it too. So you must play 2+ year old games and no new ones, or you put up with horrible performance because you don't get the driver updates to fix the performance (well, they are ATI cards, so they never really fix the performance most of the time).
These stupid games have never 100% worked with AMD cards, we are still waiting for crossfire support for skyrim and some added stability for Batman and 12.3 was SUPPOSED to fix it (they claimed it got rid of the artifacts and extreme flashing, which it didn't. Plus the Diablo 3 beta benifited from 12.3, I was getting much better performance. So basically it's pick and choose which game you want to work, and no, before these atrocoius ati cards I had 2 7900 GT's in sli, 2 512 8800 GTS in sli and never had this many problems and I uptated every like 2 or 3 driver releases. With ATI i'm waiting on every driver release to hopefully fix something. The only reason I got the ATI cards was because they came out way before the GTX 480 and were about 100 bucks cheaper and I listened to all these Ati fanboys, (big mistake). So no, based on my previous experience Nvidia has always had the better driver support and less things going wrong and expecially if your running 2 cards.
I played them but I found them, meh games.
Not my fault you don't know how to into computers.
I would like to point you to the front page of this forum that has several threads with people with nvidia driver problems.
First off, learn to properly type/phrase an insult, because you need to rephrase what you said as it doesn't really make any sense the way you have is phrased right now. 2. Good for you, you didn't care for those games, doesn't mean others can't like them and want to play them properly. 3. The fact they are poor at supporting games and with each driver update thats supposed to fix something for one game, it ends up breaking another. Like my example, we are still waiting for better crossfire support for skyrim, it's been since november. It's not like it's just no extra performance, first it was that it harmed your performance, now it's the fact that if it is enabled then you get extreame light flashing and artifacts, and like I mentioned, in 12.3's cap it was supposed to fix it, not only did it NOT fix it, it broke the game for just using a single card. Batman still doesn't run nearly as good on an ATI card versus an Nvidia, just look at the benches. Plus, 3D Studio max is better optimised for nvidia gpus with Cuda as well. And finally, 4. what in the world does ati not supporting something and then saying they fixed it, when they didn't and they broke it even further, have anything to do with my computer know how? More than likely I know a whole lot more than you, and Like i stated before, some ATI users are contantly waiting on the next driver update to get some games fixed and as I mentioned before, I updated because I they said skryim was improved, it helped get better performance for Diablo 3 (took me from 40 fps to full 60-70), so only D3 worked, and it fully broke skyrim, I did revert back to 12.2 but it didn't matter, skryim was still affected, luckly the single gpu issue was resolved in 12.4, so I can continue to play skyrim again. AMD/ATI's PROGRAMMING has nothing to do with my computer knowledge idiot!!
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
You don't play skyrim do you or Batman AA, or you don't play many games at all? Games release year round you know and when each game releases usually drivers are released to help performanc. It sucks when I update a driver to fix one game, then it goes and breaks another. When BF3 came out I was waiting on every driver update to hopefully fix it too. So you must play 2+ year old games and no new ones, or you put up with horrible performance because you don't get the driver updates to fix the performance (well, they are ATI cards, so they never really fix the performance most of the time).
These stupid games have never 100% worked with AMD cards, we are still waiting for crossfire support for skyrim and some added stability for Batman and 12.3 was SUPPOSED to fix it (they claimed it got rid of the artifacts and extreme flashing, which it didn't. Plus the Diablo 3 beta benifited from 12.3, I was getting much better performance. So basically it's pick and choose which game you want to work, and no, before these atrocoius ati cards I had 2 7900 GT's in sli, 2 512 8800 GTS in sli and never had this many problems and I uptated every like 2 or 3 driver releases. With ATI i'm waiting on every driver release to hopefully fix something. The only reason I got the ATI cards was because they came out way before the GTX 480 and were about 100 bucks cheaper and I listened to all these Ati fanboys, (big mistake). So no, based on my previous experience Nvidia has always had the better driver support and less things going wrong and expecially if your running 2 cards.
ryangcnx-2
I played them but I found them, meh games.
Not my fault you don't know how to into computers.
I would like to point you to the front page of this forum that has several threads with people with nvidia driver problems.
First off, learn to properly type/phrase an insult, because you need to rephrase what you said as it doesn't really make any sense the way you have is phrased right now. 2. Good for you, you didn't care for those games, doesn't mean others can't like them and want to play them properly. 3. The fact they are poor at supporting games and with each driver update thats supposed to fix something for one game, it ends up breaking another. Like my example, we are still waiting for better crossfire support for skyrim, it's been since november. It's not like it's just no extra performance, first it was that it harmed your performance, now it's the fact that if it is enabled then you get extreame light flashing and artifacts, and like I mentioned, in 12.3's cap it was supposed to fix it, not only did it NOT fix it, it broke the game for just using a single card. Batman still doesn't run nearly as good on an ATI card versus an Nvidia, just look at the benches. Plus, 3D Studio max is better optimised for nvidia gpus with Cuda as well. And finally, 4. what in the world does ati not supporting something and then saying they fixed it, when they didn't and they broke it even further, have anything to do with my computer know how? More than likely I know a whole lot more than you, and Like i stated before, some ATI users are contantly waiting on the next driver update to get some games fixed and as I mentioned before, I updated because I they said skryim was improved, it helped get better performance for Diablo 3 (took me from 40 fps to full 60-70), so only D3 worked, and it fully broke skyrim, I did revert back to 12.2 but it didn't matter, skryim was still affected, luckly the single gpu issue was resolved in 12.4, so I can continue to play skyrim again. AMD/ATI's PROGRAMMING has nothing to do with my computer knowledge idiot!!
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[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
I played them but I found them, meh games.
Not my fault you don't know how to into computers.
I would like to point you to the front page of this forum that has several threads with people with nvidia driver problems.
GummiRaccoon
First off, learn to properly type/phrase an insult, because you need to rephrase what you said as it doesn't really make any sense the way you have is phrased right now. 2. Good for you, you didn't care for those games, doesn't mean others can't like them and want to play them properly. 3. The fact they are poor at supporting games and with each driver update thats supposed to fix something for one game, it ends up breaking another. Like my example, we are still waiting for better crossfire support for skyrim, it's been since november. It's not like it's just no extra performance, first it was that it harmed your performance, now it's the fact that if it is enabled then you get extreame light flashing and artifacts, and like I mentioned, in 12.3's cap it was supposed to fix it, not only did it NOT fix it, it broke the game for just using a single card. Batman still doesn't run nearly as good on an ATI card versus an Nvidia, just look at the benches. Plus, 3D Studio max is better optimised for nvidia gpus with Cuda as well. And finally, 4. what in the world does ati not supporting something and then saying they fixed it, when they didn't and they broke it even further, have anything to do with my computer know how? More than likely I know a whole lot more than you, and Like i stated before, some ATI users are contantly waiting on the next driver update to get some games fixed and as I mentioned before, I updated because I they said skryim was improved, it helped get better performance for Diablo 3 (took me from 40 fps to full 60-70), so only D3 worked, and it fully broke skyrim, I did revert back to 12.2 but it didn't matter, skryim was still affected, luckly the single gpu issue was resolved in 12.4, so I can continue to play skyrim again. AMD/ATI's PROGRAMMING has nothing to do with my computer knowledge idiot!!
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Too bad for you then, I'm defending myself against your arrogance, so expect a decent explanation from someone who does know a lot about computers.
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
First off, learn to properly type/phrase an insult, because you need to rephrase what you said as it doesn't really make any sense the way you have is phrased right now. 2. Good for you, you didn't care for those games, doesn't mean others can't like them and want to play them properly. 3. The fact they are poor at supporting games and with each driver update thats supposed to fix something for one game, it ends up breaking another. Like my example, we are still waiting for better crossfire support for skyrim, it's been since november. It's not like it's just no extra performance, first it was that it harmed your performance, now it's the fact that if it is enabled then you get extreame light flashing and artifacts, and like I mentioned, in 12.3's cap it was supposed to fix it, not only did it NOT fix it, it broke the game for just using a single card. Batman still doesn't run nearly as good on an ATI card versus an Nvidia, just look at the benches. Plus, 3D Studio max is better optimised for nvidia gpus with Cuda as well. And finally, 4. what in the world does ati not supporting something and then saying they fixed it, when they didn't and they broke it even further, have anything to do with my computer know how? More than likely I know a whole lot more than you, and Like i stated before, some ATI users are contantly waiting on the next driver update to get some games fixed and as I mentioned before, I updated because I they said skryim was improved, it helped get better performance for Diablo 3 (took me from 40 fps to full 60-70), so only D3 worked, and it fully broke skyrim, I did revert back to 12.2 but it didn't matter, skryim was still affected, luckly the single gpu issue was resolved in 12.4, so I can continue to play skyrim again. AMD/ATI's PROGRAMMING has nothing to do with my computer knowledge idiot!!
ryangcnx-2
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Too bad for you then, I'm defending myself against your arrogance, so expect a decent explanation from someone who does know a lot about computers.
You claim to be able knowledge computers but you can't formatted your posts, so shameful.
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
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GummiRaccoon
Too bad for you then, I'm defending myself against your arrogance, so expect a decent explanation from someone who does know a lot about computers.
You claim to be able knowledge computers but you can't formatted your posts, so shameful.
I take it that English is not your native language.
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
Too bad for you then, I'm defending myself against your arrogance, so expect a decent explanation from someone who does know a lot about computers.
Mr_Ditters
You claim to be able knowledge computers but you can't formatted your posts, so shameful.
I take it that English is not your native language.
One model graphics chip wasn't worked for me, I gave up the whole company. lamlamlamlam
hurr hurr fx5800 vacuum blower mode activate all nvidia card garbage for all eternity
how do I made rational decision
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
First off, learn to properly type/phrase an insult, because you need to rephrase what you said as it doesn't really make any sense the way you have is phrased right now.
2. Good for you, you didn't care for those games, doesn't mean others can't like them and want to play them properly.
3. The fact they are poor at supporting games and with each driver update thats supposed to fix something for one game, it ends up breaking another. Like my example, we are still waiting for better crossfire support for skyrim, it's been since november. It's not like it's just no extra performance, first it was that it harmed your performance, now it's the fact that if it is enabled then you get extreame light flashing and artifacts, and like I mentioned, in 12.3's cap it was supposed to fix it, not only did it NOT fix it, it broke the game for just using a single card. Batman still doesn't run nearly as good on an ATI card versus an Nvidia, just look at the benches. Plus, 3D Studio max is better optimised for nvidia gpus with Cuda as well. And finally,
4. what in the world does ati not supporting something and then saying they fixed it, when they didn't and they broke it even further, have anything to do with my computer know how? More than likely I know a whole lot more than you, and Like i stated before, some ATI users are contantly waiting on the next driver update to get some games fixed and as I mentioned before, I updated because I they said skryim was improved, it helped get better performance for Diablo 3 (took me from 40 fps to full 60-70), so only D3 worked, and it fully broke skyrim, I did revert back to 12.2 but it didn't matter, skryim was still affected, luckly the single gpu issue was resolved in 12.4, so I can continue to play skyrim again.
AMD/ATI's PROGRAMMING has nothing to do with my computer knowledge idiot!!
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
wall of text: tldr
GummiRaccoon
Too bad for you then, I'm defending myself against your arrogance, so expect a decent explanation from someone who does know a lot about computers.
You claim to be able knowledge computers but you can't formatted your posts, so shameful.
You do realize we are on gamespot forums right? They are pretty glichy when it comes to formatting, expecially when doing quotes. And yes, so my post didn't come through all nice and spaced out, at least it makes sense. I tried to do it again, maybe it will come out right, maybe it won't.
Anyway, got my 680 installed and it fixed all problems. Skyrim is playable with good frames, Battlefield 3 can use AA, Batman AA's stability has greatly improved. So far not a single problem and fantastic performance. ATI has always been known for poor driver support, I don't fully hate the company, the mobile gpu lines are fine, haven't had too many problems with my 6970m other than the poor performance in Batman AA in DX11 (DX9 is perfectly playable) and no AA for BF3, nothing so far is completely broken, but I use modified drivers for my laptop.
As far as my experience goes for Desktop use, ATi is more prone to gliches and has poor driver support. Also look at turn around time, whenever a game has horrible performance at launch, like Dragon Age II, Nvidia gets the fix out sooner than ATI does, if they actually fix it (and in DAII's case they did fix the problem, just took them a bit).
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
Too bad for you then, I'm defending myself against your arrogance, so expect a decent explanation from someone who does know a lot about computers.
ryangcnx-2
You claim to be able knowledge computers but you can't formatted your posts, so shameful.
You do realize we are on gamespot forums right? They are pretty glichy when it comes to formatting, expecially when doing quotes. And yes, so my post didn't come through all nice and spaced out, at least it makes sense. I tried to do it again, maybe it will come out right, maybe it won't.
Anyway, got my 680 installed and it fixed all problems. Skyrim is playable with good frames, Battlefield 3 can use AA, Batman AA's stability has greatly improved. So far not a single problem and fantastic performance. ATI has always been known for poor driver support, I don't fully hate the company, the mobile gpu lines are fine, haven't had too many problems with my 6970m other than the poor performance in Batman AA in DX11 (DX9 is perfectly playable) and no AA for BF3, nothing so far is completely broken, but I use modified drivers for my laptop.
As far as my experience goes for Desktop use, ATi is more prone to gliches and has poor driver support. Also look at turn around time, whenever a game has horrible performance at launch, like Dragon Age II, Nvidia gets the fix out sooner than ATI does, if they actually fix it (and in DAII's case they did fix the problem, just took them a bit).
You no format good nough. Me no read.
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
You claim to be able knowledge computers but you can't formatted your posts, so shameful.
Mr_Ditters
You do realize we are on gamespot forums right? They are pretty glichy when it comes to formatting, expecially when doing quotes. And yes, so my post didn't come through all nice and spaced out, at least it makes sense. I tried to do it again, maybe it will come out right, maybe it won't.
Anyway, got my 680 installed and it fixed all problems. Skyrim is playable with good frames, Battlefield 3 can use AA, Batman AA's stability has greatly improved. So far not a single problem and fantastic performance. ATI has always been known for poor driver support, I don't fully hate the company, the mobile gpu lines are fine, haven't had too many problems with my 6970m other than the poor performance in Batman AA in DX11 (DX9 is perfectly playable) and no AA for BF3, nothing so far is completely broken, but I use modified drivers for my laptop.
As far as my experience goes for Desktop use, ATi is more prone to gliches and has poor driver support. Also look at turn around time, whenever a game has horrible performance at launch, like Dragon Age II, Nvidia gets the fix out sooner than ATI does, if they actually fix it (and in DAII's case they did fix the problem, just took them a bit).
You no format good nough. Me no read.
Sorry, didn't realize I was posting to a bunch of second graders and need to use double spacing for the entire post. I formatted it, it's spaced in sections (and like I said sometimes glitchspot ignores it completely), I'm not going to take more space by double spacing every single line. I'm done here anyway, I've made my point with proof.
[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
You do realize we are on gamespot forums right? They are pretty glichy when it comes to formatting, expecially when doing quotes. And yes, so my post didn't come through all nice and spaced out, at least it makes sense. I tried to do it again, maybe it will come out right, maybe it won't.
Anyway, got my 680 installed and it fixed all problems. Skyrim is playable with good frames, Battlefield 3 can use AA, Batman AA's stability has greatly improved. So far not a single problem and fantastic performance. ATI has always been known for poor driver support, I don't fully hate the company, the mobile gpu lines are fine, haven't had too many problems with my 6970m other than the poor performance in Batman AA in DX11 (DX9 is perfectly playable) and no AA for BF3, nothing so far is completely broken, but I use modified drivers for my laptop.As far as my experience goes for Desktop use, ATi is more prone to gliches and has poor driver support. Also look at turn around time, whenever a game has horrible performance at launch, like Dragon Age II, Nvidia gets the fix out sooner than ATI does, if they actually fix it (and in DAII's case they did fix the problem, just took them a bit).
ryangcnx-2
You no format good nough. Me no read.
Sorry, didn't realize I was posting to a bunch of second graders and need to use double spacing for the entire post. I formatted it, it's spaced in sections (and like I said sometimes glitchspot ignores it completely), I'm not going to take more space by double spacing every single line. I'm done here anyway, I've made my point with proof.
what
are
paragraphs
[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
You do realize we are on gamespot forums right? They are pretty glichy when it comes to formatting, expecially when doing quotes. And yes, so my post didn't come through all nice and spaced out, at least it makes sense. I tried to do it again, maybe it will come out right, maybe it won't.
Anyway, got my 680 installed and it fixed all problems. Skyrim is playable with good frames, Battlefield 3 can use AA, Batman AA's stability has greatly improved. So far not a single problem and fantastic performance. ATI has always been known for poor driver support, I don't fully hate the company, the mobile gpu lines are fine, haven't had too many problems with my 6970m other than the poor performance in Batman AA in DX11 (DX9 is perfectly playable) and no AA for BF3, nothing so far is completely broken, but I use modified drivers for my laptop.As far as my experience goes for Desktop use, ATi is more prone to gliches and has poor driver support. Also look at turn around time, whenever a game has horrible performance at launch, like Dragon Age II, Nvidia gets the fix out sooner than ATI does, if they actually fix it (and in DAII's case they did fix the problem, just took them a bit).
ryangcnx-2
You no format good nough. Me no read.
Sorry, didn't realize I was posting to a bunch of second graders and need to use double spacing for the entire post. I formatted it, it's spaced in sections (and like I said sometimes glitchspot ignores it completely), I'm not going to take more space by double spacing every single line. I'm done here anyway, I've made my point with proof.
I was joking by the way. It was pretty hilarious. You write out these thoughtful posts and instead of addressing what you are saying, he criticizes your formatting with the most incomprehensible line of caveman language with poor grammar, punctuation, all caps, and double spacing without paragraphs. Oh that must be what he means by good formatting. Internet people are priceless.
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]
You no format good nough. Me no read.
Mr_Ditters
Sorry, didn't realize I was posting to a bunch of second graders and need to use double spacing for the entire post. I formatted it, it's spaced in sections (and like I said sometimes glitchspot ignores it completely), I'm not going to take more space by double spacing every single line. I'm done here anyway, I've made my point with proof.
I was joking by the way. It was pretty hilarious. You write out these thoughtful posts and instead of addressing what you are saying, he criticizes your formatting with the most incomprehensible line of caveman language with poor grammar, punctuation, all caps, and double spacing without paragraphs. Oh that must be what he means by good formatting. Internet people are priceless.
But what he was writing wasn't thoughtful. Well maybe he did think about it, so it was thoughtful, but it lacked reason and rationality.
Not for me they weren't. Also see this week's news about AMD Driver support.... I am not saying the drivers are horrible, just that they are not as good, when you look at the history, and from my own experience.[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
The drivers are fine.
GummiRaccoon
From that argument nVidias drivers are worse because there was a revision that fried their cards.
Which one was that :?[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
You do realize we are on gamespot forums right? They are pretty glichy when it comes to formatting, expecially when doing quotes. And yes, so my post didn't come through all nice and spaced out, at least it makes sense. I tried to do it again, maybe it will come out right, maybe it won't.
Anyway, got my 680 installed and it fixed all problems. Skyrim is playable with good frames, Battlefield 3 can use AA, Batman AA's stability has greatly improved. So far not a single problem and fantastic performance. ATI has always been known for poor driver support, I don't fully hate the company, the mobile gpu lines are fine, haven't had too many problems with my 6970m other than the poor performance in Batman AA in DX11 (DX9 is perfectly playable) and no AA for BF3, nothing so far is completely broken, but I use modified drivers for my laptop.As far as my experience goes for Desktop use, ATi is more prone to gliches and has poor driver support. Also look at turn around time, whenever a game has horrible performance at launch, like Dragon Age II, Nvidia gets the fix out sooner than ATI does, if they actually fix it (and in DAII's case they did fix the problem, just took them a bit).
ryangcnx-2
You no format good nough. Me no read.
Sorry, didn't realize I was posting to a bunch of second graders and need to use double spacing for the entire post. I formatted it, it's spaced in sections (and like I said sometimes glitchspot ignores it completely), I'm not going to take more space by double spacing every single line. I'm done here anyway, I've made my point with proof.
Actually, you made your point with personal experiences - which may be proof enough in your eyes, but can only be considered hearsay (or speculation) at best for everyone else. Also, taking everyone's personal experiences about how they say ATI drivers are not as good as Nvidia's still isn't proof. We need cold hard facts before we can say we have proof.
You would actually need to test out many different computer configurations with many different video cards from both ATI and Nvidia, play the same games with the most recent drivers and record your findings and blah, blah, blah.....before you can actual provide proof that Nvidia has better drivers over ATI or vise versa.
While your personal experiences with ATI drivers and how they work on your computer may have swayed your future purchase decisions, doesn't mean ATI has bad drivers. Not every single driver released will work with every single computer configuration out there.
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Not for me they weren't. Also see this week's news about AMD Driver support.... I am not saying the drivers are horrible, just that they are not as good, when you look at the history, and from my own experience.JigglyWiggly_
From that argument nVidias drivers are worse because there was a revision that fried their cards.
Which one was that :?I think 190
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Not for me they weren't. Also see this week's news about AMD Driver support.... I am not saying the drivers are horrible, just that they are not as good, when you look at the history, and from my own experience.JigglyWiggly_
From that argument nVidias drivers are worse because there was a revision that fried their cards.
Which one was that :?I don't recall which driver it was, but there was a driver that I can remember released back after Star Craft 2 came out that caused some cards to run hot and over heat or caused fans to not work correctly - something along those lines.
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]
You no format good nough. Me no read.
neatfeatguy
Sorry, didn't realize I was posting to a bunch of second graders and need to use double spacing for the entire post. I formatted it, it's spaced in sections (and like I said sometimes glitchspot ignores it completely), I'm not going to take more space by double spacing every single line. I'm done here anyway, I've made my point with proof.
Actually, you made your point with personal experiences - which may be proof enough in your eyes, but can only be considered hearsay (or speculation) at best for everyone else. Also, taking everyone's personal experiences about how they say ATI drivers are not as good as Nvidia's still isn't proof. We need cold hard facts before we can say we have proof.
You would actually need to test out many different computer configurations with many different video cards from both ATI and Nvidia, play the same games with the most recent drivers and record your findings and blah, blah, blah.....before you can actual provide proof that Nvidia has better drivers over ATI or vise versa.
While your personal experiences with ATI drivers and how they work on your computer may have swayed your future purchase decisions, doesn't mean ATI has bad drivers. Not every single driver released will work with every single computer configuration out there.
Yeah well I don't see anyone conducting studies comparing the stability, support, or the timing of the release of drivers between the two. All we have to go on is word of mouth and personal experience. There is a very large group of people that are former ATI owners that claim nvidias drivers are better supported. My experience with the latest drivers from AMD has been a nightmare and their customer support basically told me that if I want my card to work right, I need to wait for the next CCC. Well that right there is all the proof I need. We'll see how an nvidia card works after this one goes back to the store then I'll report back so that we can add one more personal story to the "meaningless evidence" out there.
[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]
[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]
You no format good nough. Me no read.
Mr_Ditters
Sorry, didn't realize I was posting to a bunch of second graders and need to use double spacing for the entire post. I formatted it, it's spaced in sections (and like I said sometimes glitchspot ignores it completely), I'm not going to take more space by double spacing every single line. I'm done here anyway, I've made my point with proof.
I was joking by the way. It was pretty hilarious. You write out these thoughtful posts and instead of addressing what you are saying, he criticizes your formatting with the most incomprehensible line of caveman language with poor grammar, punctuation, all caps, and double spacing without paragraphs. Oh that must be what he means by good formatting. Internet people are priceless.
Ahh, sorry man, I didn't pick up the sarcasm from your post.
TweakTown review of Nvidia GTX 670...
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4710/nvidia_geforce_gtx_670_2gb_video_card_performance_preview/index.html
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