Starcraft 2 VS Dawn of War 2

Excuse me, what are the "new" elements of DoW2 besides the removal of base and unit building?Erlkoenig

Its already been said a million times that Base building is IN multiplayer for DoW2, its only taken out for SP because it was boring building a base over and over and over again on the metamap in DC and SS. No idea where you got "Removal of UNIT Building" from.

I chose DoW2, got more enjoyment out of DoW than i did out of SC, and Company of heroes was fun, im just not a fan of WW2 games yet i still play both DoW and CoH today. Cant wait to try out DoW2 with that engine though.

Deffinatley getting Both though, if yer an RTS fan how can you not want both of them? both will play different so plenty of enjoyment to be had.

Anyway, i think everyone is aware that Multiplayer info should be out this friday (tomorrow) for DoW2 as they said "That's the embargo on press who have seen all of MP"

If you didnt know well, there you go :P

[QUOTE="xBarcadiax"]yes because a zealot swarm is so balanced Erlkoenig

Anyway, i think everyone is aware that Multiplayer info should be out this friday (tomorrow) for DoW2 as they said "That's the embargo on press who have seen all of MP"

If you didnt know well, there you go :P

Descimator

[QUOTE="Erlkoenig"]

Excuse me, what are the "new" elements of DoW2 besides the removal of base and unit building?Descimator

Its already been said a million times that Base building is IN multiplayer for DoW2, its only taken out for SP because it was boring building a base over and over and over again on the metamap in DC and SS. No idea where you got "Removal of UNIT Building" from.

I chose DoW2, got more enjoyment out of DoW than i did out of SC, and Company of heroes was fun, im just not a fan of WW2 games yet i still play both DoW and CoH today. Cant wait to try out DoW2 with that engine though.

Deffinatley getting Both though, if yer an RTS fan how can you not want both of them? both will play different so plenty of enjoyment to be had.

Anyway, i think everyone is aware that Multiplayer info should be out this friday (tomorrow) for DoW2 as they said "That's the embargo on press who have seen all of MP"

If you didnt know well, there you go :P

Some NEW features include,

* Physics - The laws of physics clearly state that whatever goes up and comes down, DOW2 physics is no exeception, units take more damange when attacked from behind, etc.

* Destructable environments - "In COH, it's destructable terrian, in DOW 2, it's destructable everything" - Relic

* Enhanced wargear(over 100 wargears per faction) - There's wargear for sqauds, squad leaders, heroes and Vechiles. Setting up the right wargear before a mission is key.

* Boss battles - Bosses will be smart, and they will have special attacks. Bonecrusher(the 1st boss from DOW2) is a huge Ork, his special attacks include shockwave, stomp, etc.

* Online co-op camp - The camp can be playable online with your buddies.

* Tyranids - One of the worst kept secreats in vg history. Tyranids are one hungry faction, and you will see why in DOW 2. If you like Zergs, you will like Tyranids.

* New campaign with choices that affect it - You don't have to finish all of the missions to complete the sp camp, etc. You have the option to answer distress signals, etc.

* Enchanced cover system - The cover system for dow2 will be like coh's cover, wheater it's modified or not is uncertain.

* Shrines and other buildings - Capturing shrines and other vital structures can give a you a strategic adventage. Shrines, etc can give you a number of different bonuses.

* Veterancy and garrisioning buildings - Units now get promoted and buildings can be garrisioned.

* Comics - Comics will be placed all around the camp, comics tell the story. The comics will be similiar to Homeworld's comics.

I predict that Bnet will continue to be better than Relic Onilne and Relic RTS's will continue to have vastly more complex game mechaics than Blizzards. Furthermore I predict that Blizzard's game will be more balanced both out of the box and after a year than Relic's.

Anyone want to bet against me? :-)

Uberbadassmufuh

you mean blizzards game will be more balanced out of all 3 boxes right?

* Boss battles - Bosses will be smart, and they will have special attacks. Bonecrusher(the 1st boss from DOW2) is a huge Ork, his special attacks include shockwave, stomp, etc.

* Online co-op camp - The camp can be playable online with your buddies.

* Tyranids - One of the worst kept secreats in vg history. Tyranids are one hungry faction, and you will see why in DOW 2. If you like Zergs, you will like Tyranids.

gogators4life

These are the only really new things. The others are either trivial, improved from DoW expacs, or borrowed from CoH. Still, that's more impressive than SC2's list. That said, there aren't as many new gameplay elements as people claim there are. The new gameplay elements of SC2 come mostly from the new units/buildings mechanics so they're not as obvious. I'll wait and see.

I'm not sure I like the no base/unit building in campaign though.

Bloody hell - Gogators has been banned?aliblabla2007

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]Bloody hell - Gogators has been banned?Forerunner-117

Look at his profile.. he's posted a lot in this thread, just click on the avy on one of his posts.

I believe Dawn of War 2 will be a much better game than Starcraft 2. Starcraft 2 is still going to be one of the most brilliant RTS's after 2009. Dawn of War 2 will have 4 races as opposed to the 3 in Starcraft 2. This adds more variety with the Space Marines, Eldar, Tyranids and Orks. Starcraft 2 has the Protoss, Terran and Zerg.

Both games will sport many dynamic battlefields and campaign maps. The graphics are undoubtably about the same standard.

Dawn of War 2 is more tactical in the sense of its gameplay and on the field warfare. Different types of cover are taken into consideration while in Starcraft 2 the basic tactic is to go and hide somewhere and hope the enemy doesn't see you.

The resource gathering idea in Dawn of War 2 is much more intense and tactical than Starcraft 2. It requires certain strategic points to be captured to gain resources so spamming units isn't really an option. Taking over certain points on the map can be a challenge in many cases. In Starcraft 2, the only resource is a blue crystal. This is much too similar to Command and Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars and its resource gathering aspect is even better than Starcraft 2's as there are both green Tiberium crystals and blue.

The cinematics in Dawn of War 2 are almost certain to be far superior to Starcraft 2's. If making a fight look good on a map is all that matters, Dawn of War 2 will have the most intense fights on the field. If it doesn't matter so much, even better.

Starcraft 2 is separated into 3 games however but add no extra content to each of the factions. The likely Dawn of War 2 expansions will most likely include the Imperial Guard again and reintroduce the Chaos Space Marines. The Tau Empire and the Necrons are extremely unlikely to be ignored. So in the end with 3 games, Dawn of War 2 will have 8 factions, all unique in their own sense in gameplay stye, looks and agenda. Starcraft 2 will have 3 factions, although better than some Dawn of War 2 factions, cannot possibly add up to the competition of 8 factions. The first 4 factions have already shown to be excellent and already slightly better than the 3 factions featured in Starcraft 2.

The Dawn of War 2 storyline will undoubtably be slightly better than the Starcraft 2 storyline as Warhammer 40000 has always had a great storyline. Other than the big letdown Soulstorm.

In conclusion, Dawn of War 2 is a much better game in all rights. Starcraft 2 only advantage is the fact it was made by Blizzard and not by Relic/THQ. Also, Starcraft was introduced in 1998 as opposed to 2004. That's not exactly unique anymore, it's antique. Starcraft 2 is much more comparable to Command and Conquer 3 and even then, it isn't so much better. Not the standard to be in Dawn of War 2's league. Remember, Blizzard gets around mostly by money and reputation, not always necessarilythe best quality.

My initial thoughts about both games were that SC II would have better campaign and cinematics but DoW II would have better mp. This think was based in that I play a lot both games -more than 200 hours in SC & Brood War and more than 600 hours in DoW/WA/DC/SS- and I like much more the mp in DoW, thanx mainly to the sesources system and the squad reinforcement "on fly" and teleport units, which makes not mandatory to return toi base to regroup forces when one of your squad is severely damage. Also the heroes system in DoW II is more close that the one in Warcraft III, which is wore than his implementation in DoW.

But after some contact with the DoW II mp beta my opinion have changed. DoW II is very different in system and gameplay from DoW or CoH. There is not squad reinforcement "on fly", there's not base building or management and the pace is very different, with units that die fast and move slow. My opinion is still DoW > SC, but also now DoW > DoW II. So, IMO Starcraft II will be better game than DoW II in both single campaign and competitive multgiplayer.

This does not matter that DoW II will be a bad game, for sure I'll buy it at the end of the month, but it is currently under my expectatives.

I'd vote for dawn of war 2 because coh was a extremely fun and enjoyable rts and I was reading a interview with one of the producers of the game and it sounds and looks awesome. I never really got into starcraft. I played it once and thought it wasn't that good, warcraft 3 was much better.

Finally dawn of war has introduced the tyranids! w00t!

I go on a limb (is this the correct expression? :D) and say that everyone who voted here has acces to the internet.

it's realy not so hard to look up how DoW2 will play even before the beta. I don't understant all the "buhu it's not just DoW1 with a graphics upgrade" whining, I mean there were videos, screen shots etc all that give quite a clear impresion of how DoW2 will play. Reading all this and still going in thinking it's just like DoW1 borders on stupidity.

Don't like that style of play? Well don't play it, no one is forcing you. I know I am having fun and DoW2 still > SC2 for me

Why called it Dawn of war 2 where it not a strategy game it a rpg.

O that right because Dawn of war is good name .It sale

Relic should go to jaill for what the did.

it should be called warhammer 40k:RPG.

It Relic who going back to the past.

what next Dawn of war 3 = gear of wars.

I can't right for starcraft II and mods maps.Is the going be any sheep tag

Warhammer 40k is far more original than starcraft...the reason why I'm playin starcraft 2 is that I can't wait for DoW 2 Retribution to come out in february!!!

So my vote goes to Dawn of War 2!!!!

Warhammer 40k is far more original than starcraft...the reason why I'm playin starcraft 2 is that I can't wait for DoW 2 Retribution to come out in february!!!

So my vote goes to Dawn of War 2!!!!

Avitus546

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Wow, 2008? Oh how the times have changed.