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Ok I have a question, every time I go check out the LCD HDTV's at Best Buy, the picture has small tiny squares is that normal?Samurai-Cell
The rule of thumb for PC hardware is that the hardware performance doubles every 18 months. It probably won't apply much for anything else, but once 1080p becomes standard (not anytime soon), will we start to see things like 2160p, 3240p, and 4320p after that? Will screen resolution become one of those things that increases more because we can? People thought we would never need more than a gigabyte in computers at one time. So I guess my question is, Will resolution doubles become as standard as PC performance in the future, especially as a consumer may be more likely to buy a TV that has 2160p over one that says 1080p?Kaintae1134
I have a question for you:
I am going to buy me a new HDTV. And I saw this one. And here are the Technical specifications.
Is it a good TV?
Umm, round 1 hasn't even begun, and won't begin for another few weeks when BR gets past the soft launch. Everyone has been holding back their titles until Sony, Pioneer and the PS3 ship.-not only has HD DVD won the first round vs. Blu-Ray, it won it in a landslide
I have a question for you:
I am going to buy me a new HDTV. And I saw this one. And here are the Technical specifications.
Is it a good TV?
enormousaxie
Umm, round 1 hasn't even begun, and won't begin for another few weeks when BR gets past the soft launch. Everyone has been holding back their titles until Sony, Pioneer and the PS3 ship.-not only has HD DVD won the first round vs. Blu-Ray, it won it in a landslide
if i connect ps3 to my lcd monitor via an HDMI-DVI cable what will i have to do for audio? i have external speakers which i would like to connect ps3 to. i don't know much about audio cables and ports, but i know alot about video cables and ports.timmay9021
1080p may be slightly overrated, but that doesn't mean it's entirely useless. Any LCD/Plasma/digital panel that can display every pixel of 1080i will also be 1080p capable. There's a slight improvement moving from the "i" to "p" as well.epsilon72
What second gen Blu-Ray players? Not a single company has announced a second deck, or anything with even a revised model number. Toshiba won't be shipping their second gens until February, and the A2 is greatly stripped down, for example it's missing the analog audio outputs required if you haven't thrown down for an HDMI 1.3 reciever for advanced audio. Samsung insisted on shipping their deck back in the summer, so they released a smattering of titles. Even so, BR is ahead of where HD was in title #s at similar points. MPEG-2 has nothing to do with the picture quality, there's a ton of reference MPEG-2 BR discs out there like Good Night and Good Luck, Tears of the Sun and Lethal Weapon. Unlike HD-DVD, BR is capable of using a variety of codecs, including VC-1. Toshiba is charging the same $800-1000 prices for HD-DVD outside of the US. They're loss leadering here to try to diffuse the $500 PS3 advantage. It's as simple as that.Round 1 not only has begun but has been over for a while. Both HD DVD and Blu-ray are introducing their second-gen players and during the first round, many tech. sites and magazines have raved about HD DVD's picture quality, especially when compared to Blu-ray (most of this is probably due to BD using older, less efficient compression technology). HD DVD has definitely beat Blu-ray on price and overall sales (both players and disks).
You keep assuming that the Samsung deck was the official launch. 95% of the buying public have no idea either of these formats exist, or only a vague notion, nor are the vast majority of them itching to upgrade over DVD right now, especially at $500 a player BR has the 4 exclusive studios, who own 60%+ of the movies ever made, HD has one BR has every major manufacturer except Toshiba making decks, HD has...Toshiba. It's simply a matter of time. In 2 weeks there will be 400,000 new BR capable decks, quadrupling HD's best case scenario numbers for installed base (that's players sold, not shipped), and there will be at least a few million of them sold in the next few months, and it's the installed base that determines the winner in a format war. Oh and they didn't "hold back in quality". I want you to go back and take a look at the DVDs that were shipped during it's soft launch back in March 1997. They looked like CRAP compared to what came later. 6 months later, they had the big rollout. VC-1 for HD-DVD takes 8 hours PER PASS to compress with 4 computers chewing on it, and typically they need 3-4 passes to get the compression right. Sony took the gamble because they can do MPEG-2 encoding in real time. The trick was they had to learn HOW to do it right, as HD is a completely new ballgame to compress properly. Check out all the new BD-50 discs coming out, especially the stuff from Fox is amazingly high quality(Kingdom of Heaven being the hallmark apparently) The same things they had to learn with DVD Don't forget what you're also seeing is master issues. Why does Fifth Element look like crap? Because the film itself doesn't look that great. And remember, film grain is supposed to be thereIf what you are saying is true, that the Blu-ray crowd is holding back, what are they waiting for? You only get one chance to make a first impression, especially if you're going against a cheaper and comparable format so if they did hold back on picture quality and price, they made a gross miscalculation.
Because people are spreading misinformation, people who have no idea how the movie industry works. It's not about who has the best tech, and both techs are virtually identical once you get past the disc itself, it's about how many people you can bring to the party. That's why VHS beat out Beta, because JVC was smart where Sony was stupid. They learned their lesson this time.Why are you guys fighting on the net about disks GROW UP
Signal degredation and overcompression. They're taking a feed from DirecTV at most BBs, and that signal is very compressed. It's half the bitrate you'll see out of the HD disc formats.Why are you guys fighting on the net about disks GROW UP, anyways back on topic, today I went to my bestbuy again to look at more HDTV's and noticed that almost all of them had smalll blocks, Are HDTV's like that or do bestbuy workers not know how to properly connect them?
great thread...i'm looking into purchasing an lcd hdtv in the coming weeks and i'd like to know as much as possible before deciding which one to get...
are you familiar with specific models? i'm considering four 32" lcd hdtvs:
1. Toshiba 32HL86
2. Sharp Aquos LC32D40U
3. Samsung LNS3241D
4. Panasonic TC32LX60C
the toshiba tv is the cheapest, and the sharp, samsung and panasonic are the same price, but costs $300 more than the toshiba...the price of the sharp/samsung is the absolute most i'm willing to go....
this tv will be used mainly for hd gaming (360 now, and the ps3 next year) and for watching tv both in hd and sd, as the futureshop i'm buying the tv from is offering a free rental of the hd cable box and hd channels for a full year (i'll be paying for it afterwards)...i doubt i'll be watching regular dvds on this, but i might get an hd-dvd player or a bluray player (ps3) next year....
the tv will be hooked up to a standard jvc home theatre in-a-box with no hdmi inputs, so i'll be using component hookups for the video and the optical cable for 5.1 audio for now....
i read the newest futureshop flyer and they had a Q&A in regards to playing videogames on an hdtv, and it was recommended to buy a tv with a quick response time, so in that case i'd be leaning towards the aquos and the 6ms response time, but then i've heard that orion produces the 32" model and is a step down in quality from the 37" and up aquos tvs....i've also heard of ghosting issues for videogames with this model despite the quick response time...
from what i know, all of the 360 kiosks at the electronics stores use the LNSxx41D model, so i already know it looks great for videogames....and i've also heard it has a "game mode" option...does this option really make videogames look better? i was looking at the 32" model on the futureshop website and it currently has a 2.97 rating out of 5 (95 customer reviews)....is there something that bad about the tv that i don't know about?
i've seen the toshiba the least, but i definitely liked what i saw....i just wondered if the aquos and samsung tvs are really $300 better than the toshiba....
and to complicate things, the current flyer has the 37" toshiba for the exact same price as the 32" samsung and aquos tvs....does this make the 37" toshiba a no-brainer for me? my viewing distance will be between 6.5 and 7.5 feet for now, and 4 months later will increase to about 9-10 feet....
sorry for the long post....any help or suggestions will be appreciated....
great thread...i'm looking into purchasing an lcd hdtv in the coming weeks and i'd like to know as much as possible before deciding which one to get...
are you familiar with specific models? i'm considering four 32" lcd hdtvs:
Prodigy_basic
1. Toshiba 32HL86
2. Sharp Aquos LC32D40U
3. Samsung LNS3241D
4. Panasonic TC32LX60C
the toshiba tv is the cheapest, and the sharp, samsung and panasonic are the same price, but costs $300 more than the toshiba...the price of the sharp/samsung is the absolute most i'm willing to go....
this tv will be used mainly for hd gaming (360 now, and the ps3 next year) and for watching tv both in hd and sd, as the futureshop i'm buying the tv from is offering a free rental of the hd cable box and hd channels for a full year (i'll be paying for it afterwards)...i doubt i'll be watching regular dvds on this, but i might get an hd-dvd player or a bluray player (ps3) next year....
the tv will be hooked up to a standard jvc home theatre in-a-box with no hdmi inputs, so i'll be using component hookups for the video and the optical cable for 5.1 audio for now....
i read the newest futureshop flyer and they had a Q&A in regards to playing videogames on an hdtv, and it was recommended to buy a tv with a quick response time, so in that case i'd be leaning towards the aquos and the 6ms response time, but then i've heard that orion produces the 32" model and is a step down in quality from the 37" and up aquos tvs....i've also heard of ghosting issues for videogames with this model despite the quick response time...
from what i know, all of the 360 kiosks at the electronics stores use the LNSxx41D model, so i already know it looks great for videogames....and i've also heard it has a "game mode" option...does this option really make videogames look better? i was looking at the 32" model on the futureshop website and it currently has a 2.97 rating out of 5 (95 customer reviews)....is there something that bad about the tv that i don't know about?
i've seen the toshiba the least, but i definitely liked what i saw....i just wondered if the aquos and samsung tvs are really $300 better than the toshiba....
and to complicate things, the current flyer has the 37" toshiba for the exact same price as the 32" samsung and aquos tvs....does this make the 37" toshiba a no-brainer for me? my viewing distance will be between 6.5 and 7.5 feet for now, and 4 months later will increase to about 9-10 feet....
sorry for the long post....any help or suggestions will be appreciated....
thanks a lot Galvatron....i'll take your advice and focus on the toshiba....i'll be going to futureshop tomorrow to check out all of the tvs, but most of my attention will go to the 37HL86 (37")
Toshiba: 1366x768, 8 ms, 800:1 CR, 1 component, 1 HDMI, 1 DVI, 1 PC inputGalvatronType_R
i believe the toshiba has 2 component inputs, unless i'm mistaken:
http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en§ion=2&group=6&product=6260&category
here's a couple more questions relating to this tv:
1. i noticed that the toshiba does NOT have upconverting technology....someone told me that SD on this tv will look terrible due to possible pixelation...but that's not really my question unless you want to comment on it....my question about this was that my parents just told me that they plan on watching regular dvds on this from time to time...assuming i use component cables on my 360 and use it as a dvd player, how will the picture quality be? pretty bad, i'm assuming? should just get the 360 hd-dvd player asap if my parents plan on watching movies on it?
2. as i said earlier, my home theatre receiver does not have an hdmi input, and that i currently plan on using component for my 360 for video, and the optical digital cable for audio...will it be possible to run hdmi for video, and optical digital for audio...and if so, will it look better? i will definitely look into upgrading my home theatre system, but it won't be for another year or so....
i'm not sure what cables i'm supposed to be buying either...
thanks again
[QUOTE="enormousaxie"]I have a question for you:
I am going to buy me a new HDTV. And I saw this one. And here are the Technical specifications.
Is it a good TV?
GalvatronType_R
thanks a lot Galvatron....i'll take your advice and focus on the toshiba....i'll be going to futureshop tomorrow to check out all of the tvs, but most of my attention will go to the 37HL86 (37")
[QUOTE="GalvatronType_R"]Toshiba: 1366x768, 8 ms, 800:1 CR, 1 component, 1 HDMI, 1 DVI, 1 PC inputProdigy_basic
i believe the toshiba has 2 component inputs, unless i'm mistaken:
http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en§ion=2&group=6&product=6260&category
here's a couple more questions relating to this tv:
1. i noticed that the toshiba does NOT have upconverting technology....someone told me that SD on this tv will look terrible due to possible pixelation...but that's not really my question unless you want to comment on it....my question about this was that my parents just told me that they plan on watching regular dvds on this from time to time...assuming i use component cables on my 360 and use it as a dvd player, how will the picture quality be? pretty bad, i'm assuming? should just get the 360 hd-dvd player asap if my parents plan on watching movies on it?
2. as i said earlier, my home theatre receiver does not have an hdmi input, and that i currently plan on using component for my 360 for video, and the optical digital cable for audio...will it be possible to run hdmi for video, and optical digital for audio...and if so, will it look better? i will definitely look into upgrading my home theatre system, but it won't be for another year or so....
i'm not sure what cables i'm supposed to be buying either...
thanks again
thanks Galvatron
1. Each and every HDTV has upscaling/upconverting technology, that is, it will take a 480i or 480p source and convert it to the TV's native resolution [in the case of the Toshiba, EVERYTHING will be converted to 1366x768]. This is just a guess on my part, but as long as you have a halfway decent progressive scan DVD player (the 360 will do just fine), 480p DVDs will look fine. If you really want to go all out, buy the VGA cable for the 360 and hook it up to the Toshiba's PC input and now you can upscale DVDs to 720p (don't be fooled, you won't get actual 720p resolution but you'll get a somewhat better picture than 480p).
Also, re: the 360's upcoming HD DVD drive, while the price is good, I'd recommend that people hold off on that for a variety of reasons (but that's a whole other post). But in the end, the best way to judge is to see the Toshiba in person, if possible, and switch it to its analog inputs to just its upscaling prowess (some HDTVs are good at this, some aren't).GalvatronType_R
about the vga cable...is it an improvement over component for 360 games as well?
so the only way to upscale dvds to 720p (or close to it) would be to buy the vga cable?
and for the second paragraph, can you explain the part in bold a little further? how will i be able to do this when i'm at the store? any tips?
thanks! this is good stuff
i have a 32 inch samsung lcd tv...1366 x 768.....and i've noticed small smudge marks on certain areas of my tv.....however i do not notice them at all when playing ps2 games.......i was just wondering if i would notice them in any way if i was playing a next gen game.,.....if it helps the contrast ratio is 5000:1khalsa101
thanks Galvatron
[QUOTE="GalvatronType_R"]1. Each and every HDTV has upscaling/upconverting technology, that is, it will take a 480i or 480p source and convert it to the TV's native resolution [in the case of the Toshiba, EVERYTHING will be converted to 1366x768]. This is just a guess on my part, but as long as you have a halfway decent progressive scan DVD player (the 360 will do just fine), 480p DVDs will look fine. If you really want to go all out, buy the VGA cable for the 360 and hook it up to the Toshiba's PC input and now you can upscale DVDs to 720p (don't be fooled, you won't get actual 720p resolution but you'll get a somewhat better picture than 480p).
Also, re: the 360's upcoming HD DVD drive, while the price is good, I'd recommend that people hold off on that for a variety of reasons (but that's a whole other post). But in the end, the best way to judge is to see the Toshiba in person, if possible, and switch it to its analog inputs to just its upscaling prowess (some HDTVs are good at this, some aren't).Prodigy_basic
about the vga cable...is it an improvement over component for 360 games as well?
so the only way to upscale dvds to 720p (or close to it) would be to buy the vga cable?
and for the second paragraph, can you explain the part in bold a little further? how will i be able to do this when i'm at the store? any tips?
thanks! this is good stuff
I get a buzzing sound when there is white light on my TV from my home theatre surround system. I have s-video and CRT apex 20" and a 100 watt durabrand HT system and (walmart) DD optical from an Xbox. On War of the Worlds DVD movie the menu will buzz and parts of the movie where there is a ton of white light I get a buzzing sound from my speakers. Is there anything I can do?Varese_basic
[QUOTE="Varese_basic"]I get a buzzing sound when there is white light on my TV from my home theatre surround system. I have s-video and CRT apex 20" and a 100 watt durabrand HT system and (walmart) DD optical from an Xbox. On War of the Worlds DVD movie the menu will buzz and parts of the movie where there is a ton of white light I get a buzzing sound from my speakers. Is there anything I can do?GalvatronType_R
If the Xbox 360 - and more specifically its HD-DVD drive - does not have HDMI output then does that mean it won't be capable of displaying 1080p? If movies (and, potentially, games) are in 1080p, would we only be able to view them at 720p/1080i, and if so, would the quality difference be noticable?
Sorry, that's quite a mouthful :)
If you can't afford a regular BR or HD player, then it won't look any different on any TV you can afford pretty much 60" and up;)If the Xbox 360 - and more specifically its HD-DVD drive - does not have HDMI output then does that mean it won't be capable of displaying 1080p? If movies (and, potentially, games) are in 1080p, would we only be able to view them at 720p/1080i, and if so, would the quality difference be noticable?
That depends, how do you define "best"? Because best can get into thousands of dollars per speaker. On the consumer level- Pioneer Elite, Onkyo, Klipsch, JBL. Then you start getting REALLY expensive.What're the top brands to look at. I don't want to get a cheap set so I want to look at the best.
The better the equipment, the less cables they throw in the box. You'll need an optical cable, don't go nuts, bits are bits, and you'll probably need to buy speaker wire if it's a "good" reciever.2. What do I need to hook it up to my 360/HDTV? Does it come with everything I need?
Without a good knowlege of sound based from experience, none of the complex stuff. Follow the diagrams. In reality, you probably want something like this- http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=30945 Speakers you need to go listen to, and DON'T go to Best Buy or some place, go to a specialty store like Tweeter where people actually know somewhat what thye're talking about3. When I do finally have my set, what do I do? Is it simple to set up or is there some type of tutorial you could recommend
makes no difference at this stage. The 360 can output 1080p over component if your TV supports it.If the Xbox 360 - and more specifically its HD-DVD drive - does not have HDMI output then does that mean it won't be capable of displaying 1080pBritesparc
I get a buzzing sound when there is white light on my TV from my home theatre surround system. I have s-video and CRT apex 20" and a 100 watt durabrand HT system and (walmart) DD optical from an Xbox. On War of the Worlds DVD movie the menu will buzz and parts of the movie where there is a ton of white light I get a buzzing sound from my speakers. Is there anything I can do?Varese_basic
[QUOTE="GalvatronType_R"][QUOTE="Varese_basic"]I get a buzzing sound when there is white light on my TV from my home theatre surround system. I have s-video and CRT apex 20" and a 100 watt durabrand HT system and (walmart) DD optical from an Xbox. On War of the Worlds DVD movie the menu will buzz and parts of the movie where there is a ton of white light I get a buzzing sound from my speakers. Is there anything I can do?epsilon72
If the Xbox 360 - and more specifically its HD-DVD drive - does not have HDMI output then does that mean it won't be capable of displaying 1080p? If movies (and, potentially, games) are in 1080p, would we only be able to view them at 720p/1080i, and if so, would the quality difference be noticable?
Sorry, that's quite a mouthful :)
Britesparc
They're not going to use it. Warner is the one with the hard-on for it, and everyone pretty much compromised on pulling analog outputs on the decks after 2012Even without a HDMI, component can still output 1080p. The problem with no HDMI is not resolution, it's the lack of HDCP and Hollywood's possible use of ICT down the road (but that's a whole other post).
is 1366*768 on an lcd with 1200:1 contrast ratio any good? 23 inch by the way. i saw one on an ad in the paper which is goin for 400 bucks. and thats in the price range im lookin for. also it says hd ready lcd...is that different from those that just say hd lcd? and is 1366*768 720p resolution? thanx in adavance
i have a question:
im looking for a new HDTV, that my PS3 will look good on. so i found this one: Samsung LN-S2738D.
on this site http://dpreview-cnet.com.com/Samsung_LN_S2738D_LCD_TV_27/4014-6482_9-32062500.html it says that it can do 1080p, but its only a 27" screen... it also says that the tv res. is 1366 x 768, which is not 1080p.
i want the best picture i can get on a 27" screen. i read that 1080p is only for 50+" tv's, so thats not what i should be looking for on a 27" screen, right?
simple question: do the Samsung LN-S2738D display the best picture any 27" can do? if not, which one does?
edit: more info on the tv here: http://samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS2738DXXAA.asp
My remote has speaker delay time buttons: center, rear, plus +, minus -, and reset. I guess with the reset should experiment but I don't know what I'm supposed to listen for. Is there an analogy?Varese_basic
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