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#51 GalvatronType_R
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is 1366*768 on an lcd with 1200:1 contrast ratio any good? 23 inch by the way. i saw one on an ad in the paper which is goin for 400 bucks. and thats in the price range im lookin for. also it says hd ready lcd...is that different from those that just say hd lcd? and is 1366*768 720p resolution? thanx in adavance

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1366x768 is the standard resolution for most LCD panels and a 1200:1 contrast ratio is more than adequate for gaming, movies, etc. For $400, that's a great deal, just a few years ago, a 32" non-HD CRT would have gone for that price.

The difference between HD ready and HD is that the HD ready TV doesn't have a built-in HD tuner; in other words, you're going to have to either feed it cable, satellite, or an outboard HD tuner to get reception; a regular HDTV has the HD tuner built in so if you decide not to go with cable or satellite, all you need is an HD antenna to receive over the air HD signals.

To reiterate, with the stats you gave on that TV, I'd say go for it. Once you see HD, it's hard to go back to SD.

EDIT: one last thing, one more concern may be the size of the TV itself.  23" isn't bad but I'll tell you like I tell anyone else who asks: get the biggest TV that you can afford.  The bigger the display, the easier it is to make out the higher resolution finer details and bigger displays naturally make the room look better, no matter how big or small the room is.
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#52 GalvatronType_R
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[QUOTE="Varese_basic"]My remote has speaker delay time buttons: center, rear, plus +, minus -, and reset. I guess with the reset should experiment but I don't know what I'm supposed to listen for. Is there an analogy?Impossibilium


the delay option is there to make sure surround audio reaches your ears at the intended time from every speaker.

Setting it up depends on how the delay time is listed. It's easier if it's listed as physical distance (feet/meters etc) since you can just measure the distance between the seating position and the speakers and the delay (either increased or decreased depending on speaker distance) is calculated by the receiver.

If it's listed in milliseconds you'll have to calculate it. If you're lucky your manual might have a calculation table.

A calibration DVD usually has audio test signals that make this easier or if you're feeling spendy you can jump to a high end receiver which ships with a calibration microhoone that will adjust the speaker settings atuomatically. Those are pretty cool.



This is a great answer, I can't add anything more to this because it is spot on.
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#53 GalvatronType_R
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i have a question:

im looking for a new HDTV, that my PS3 will look good on. so i found this one: Samsung LN-S2738D.

on this site http://dpreview-cnet.com.com/Samsung_LN_S2738D_LCD_TV_27/4014-6482_9-32062500.html it says that it can do 1080p, but its only a 27" screen... it also says that the tv res. is 1366 x 768, which is not 1080p.

i want the best picture i can get on a 27" screen. i read that 1080p is only for 50+" tv's, so thats not what i should be looking for on a 27" screen, right?

simple question: do the Samsung LN-S2738D display the best picture any 27" can do? if not, which one does?

edit: more info on the tv here: http://samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS2738DXXAA.asp

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Hello, for the price range of $799-$999, that 27" Samsung LCD panel is not a bad deal if you get it for closer to $799.  The problem is I've seen many 32" LCDs for a comparable price so I'd shop around a bit more to see if you can get a bigger panel for the same or nominally more money.

Re: the TV itself, it has some pretty impressive specs, the most impressive being its contrast ratio (3000:1).  As you may have heard, LCD's biggest PQ weakness is the inability to display true black (mostly it appears as dark gray).  Without deep blacks, you lose shadow detail and small details blend in and don't stand out by themselves.  With a high contrast ratio (like 3000:1), it should alleviate the problem.  Whatever TV you decide to get, try to get one with relatively high CR (anything 1000:1 or higher will suffice).

Also, from my reading of the Samsung's specs, the highest resolution that it can accept is 1080i (with its native resolution being 720p) so for the best picture quality possible, set your PS3 to output 720p.  Also, I have to respectfully disagree with Kodai's post.  720p is a more than impressive HD resolution and in many cases, 720p is more desirable than 1080i (720p is generally better for fast moving scenes, a la, action movies, sports, games; 1080i is generally better for still scenes like anything you'd see on National Geographic).

In conclusion, while 1080p is impressive looking, don't be drawn in by the marketing hype (there are 1080p TVs smaller than 50", look at Westinghouse LCDs).  For you to see the difference between 720p/1080i and 1080p, you'd have to have a pretty big display (50" and above) and have to sit VERY close to it to make out the finer details.  So if you can afford 1080p TV or it's the same price as a comparable 720p TV, by all means, go for the higher rez TV but don't feel like you're "settling for less" when you get a 720p TV because the difference in resolutions is nominal at best.
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#54 Kodai_kun
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For your average living room though, it's really not necessary, and without an SPL meter and proper test signals it's really not worth it [quote\and just why shouldnt i buy any tv with less than a 1080i screen? thats basically saying that i shouldnt buy any tv less than 50", 'cus small tv's cant do 1080i. still waiting for a real answer.

Sony, Phillps and Samsung make 1080i tube sets at 30" The LCD TVs have dirty blacks anyway, the CRT will give you a far better image. You can pick them up as low as $600 on sale. If you can't afford a 1080i capable TV, wait and save your money. You're sacrificing lmost double the resolution.
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#55 baiums_inferno
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thanks for the answers, both of you.

the samsung tv i was talking about, is going for 750$.

i found some Westinghouse LCDs with 1080p 37", but too expencive. so im forgetting all about 1080p, as the max size i want is 30", and its too expencive.

about the 1080i solution, im going to play fast paced games, like dmc4, racing games. so i dont want 1080i.

so, i cant get 1080p, 'cus its too big and expencive. and i dont want 1080i either, as its not good for fast paced games. so, im going for 720p.

i was looking for a bigger tv, as you said galvatron. so i found this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824234002R
its a 32" Westinghouse (LTV-32W1(LCD)), just about as big as i want it. its 720p, which is what im now looking for, fast response time and only 722$. only thing im now worried about is the contrast ratio.

the new 32" has a contrast ratio of 1000:1, whereas the 27" has 3000:1.

i've seen the 27" in a store, playing an x360 game, and i've never seen a better picture on any tv (and i've seen alot).

so heres my dilemma: i can either buy a big 32" tv with a fair picture quality, or i can buy a smaller 27" tv, with outstanding picture quality. for almost the same price.
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#56 GalvatronType_R
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thanks for the answers, both of you.

the samsung tv i was talking about, is going for 750$.

i found some Westinghouse LCDs with 1080p 37", but too expencive. so im forgetting all about 1080p, as the max size i want is 30", and its too expencive.

about the 1080i solution, im going to play fast paced games, like dmc4, racing games. so i dont want 1080i.

so, i cant get 1080p, 'cus its too big and expencive. and i dont want 1080i either, as its not good for fast paced games. so, im going for 720p.

i was looking for a bigger tv, as you said galvatron. so i found this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824234002R
its a 32" Westinghouse (LTV-32W1(LCD)), just about as big as i want it. its 720p, which is what im now looking for, fast response time and only 722$. only thing im now worried about is the contrast ratio.

the new 32" has a contrast ratio of 1000:1, whereas the 27" has 3000:1.

i've seen the 27" in a store, playing an x360 game, and i've never seen a better picture on any tv (and i've seen alot).

so heres my dilemma: i can either buy a big 32" tv with a fair picture quality, or i can buy a smaller 27" tv, with outstanding picture quality. for almost the same price. baiums_inferno


Hmm, tough choice. As you're probably aware, that 5" difference is noticeable so the Westinghouse has that in its favor. On the other hand, there will be a visual difference between 1000:1 and 3000:1. The prices are comparable so it sounds to me like you already like the Samsung so that would be a safe bet. Samsung makes very nice TVs, especially LCDs (they aren't the #1 LCD maker in the world for nothing).

So, I'd say that giving up 5" for much better contrast ratio (and probably more reliability since I'd guess a Samsung will hold up better than a Westinghouse) is a more than fair trade. Go for the Samsung and like I posted earlier, once you go HD, it's hard to go back to SD.
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#57 Kodai_kun
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Definatley go for the Samsung if those are your only choices. I still say save your money, why not get the bigger set?
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#58 baiums_inferno
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im going for the samsung. and thanks, now i can finally stop worrying about tv's.
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#59 Kodai_kun
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now i can finally stop worrying about tv's

you're buying more than one?
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#60 baiums_inferno
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[QUOTE="Kodai_kun"]

now i can finally stop worrying about tv's

you're buying more than one?

no, i was just wondering which one to buy.
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#61 Kodai_kun
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's means possessive or plural(more than one) TVs is how you spell it
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#62 baiums_inferno
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eeh ok...

anyway, new question. right now i live in the US, im an exchange student from denmark, in europe. im moving back to denmark when the school year ends.

so, my question(s) is: can i use an american PS3 in europe, can i use it on an american ntsc tv (the samsung) in europe, can i use the ntsc samsung as a normal tv in europe (just for watching danish tv channels), and can i connect the ntsc samsung to a european pc as a monitor?

the "power wire" isnt the problem, i already have the stuff that converts the electricity from american to european. so no power issues. my problem is the ntsc/pal system, which i dont know too much about.

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#63 Kodai_kun
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You will have to convert the power as you noticed. Your PS3 will not be compatible with all Blu-Ray discs sold in Denmark, as you are region B for BR, and region 2 DVDs are locked out as well. Otherwise you're good to go, except.... The only problem you will have is with broadcast television channels, and anything else in PAL, the Samsung is unlikely to include a PAL tuner, and Denmark uses a different broadcasting system for digital broadcasts (ATSC for North America, DVB-T for Denmark). You'll have to get something (a VCR maybe? I know a lot of European appliances have dual tuners) to convert the TV signal.
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#64 baiums_inferno
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im only gonna use my PS3 for games, so the region lock doesnt matter.

the samsung does not include a PAL tuner. but you're saying that its possible to buy one, so i can watch danish tv if i spend some extra money, right?

and do you know if i can use the screen as monitor for my european pc?

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#65 Griefah
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Hey guys, I have a Xbox 360 and I need some help deciding wich HDTV I should buy.

Could you check this website and see if this TV is good for gaming?  http://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-37LP1R-widescreen-HDTV-Ready/dp/B000A42DJC

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#66 baiums_inferno
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Hey guys, I have a Xbox 360 and I need some help deciding wich HDTV I should buy.

Could you check this website and see if this TV is good for gaming?  http://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-37LP1R-widescreen-HDTV-Ready/dp/B000A42DJC

Griefah

looks fine to me. whats the price? if you wanna go 1080p though (and spend more money), this might be the one for you: http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=56

its a 37" too, but with a contrast ratio of 1000:1, instead of 1200:1 as the one you found has.

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#67 Griefah
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[QUOTE="Griefah"]

Hey guys, I have a Xbox 360 and I need some help deciding wich HDTV I should buy.

Could you check this website and see if this TV is good for gaming?  http://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-37LP1R-widescreen-HDTV-Ready/dp/B000A42DJC

baiums_inferno

looks fine to me. whats the price? if you wanna go 1080p though (and spend more money), this might be the one for you: http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=56

its a 37" too, but with a contrast ratio of 1000:1, instead of 1200:1 as the one you found has.

I'm not sure how much it costs in US dollars but the store I found is selling it for a very good price. I don't think I can afford 1080p right now, 780p is all I'll need anyway. Maybe in like 5 years I might consider it. Also, what cables should I get for my xbox 360 if I buy the TV in the link I posted?

Thanks for the help.

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#68 Kodai_kun
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the samsung does not include a PAL tuner. but you're saying that its possible to buy one, so i can watch danish tv if i spend some extra money, right?

Yes, it is possible to buy one, but I don't know for sure 100%. You reallly should check with people back home about VCRs that can output both PAL and NTSC, and whether they convert them. It's a big concern for you.
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Hello, folks [bows deeply], this thread is dedicated to answering questions anyone feels like posting about HDTV, which TVs are good, cables, audio, etc., etc.  So don't be shy, post a question and I'll try my best to answer it.  I'll start with a few observations (most of these are IMOs, some are facts):

-expensive A/V cables, (Monster, Acoustic Research, et. al.) are the snake oil of the 21st century (if you don't believe me, look at the founder of Monster Cables's mansion, if that doesn't show that their products are overpriced and overrated, nothing will)

-not only has HD DVD won the first round vs. Blu-Ray, it won it in a landslide

-1080p is very, very overrated and is used as more of a marketing tool than an actual screen resolution

-don't make the mistake many others make, if you buy a decent display, dont't sell the audio side short, pair it with a phenomenal digital audio system

-for your own sakes, please don't buy Bose, if you have that much money to spend on audio, there are comparably priced, better-performing alternatives

So, again, post any questions, you'll get some semi-worthwhile answers.
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If you're going to be biased,whats the point of this thread?

We all know there is hardly any difference between Blu-ray and HD-DVD(only real difference is Blu-ray disc capacity which happens to be bigger),so if you feel some hatred towards Ps3's 1080p capabilities compared to Xbox 360's fake 1080p capabilities,I suggest you head on over to System Wars.

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#70 GalvatronType_R
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eeh ok...

anyway, new question. right now i live in the US, im an exchange student from denmark, in europe. im moving back to denmark when the school year ends.

so, my question(s) is: can i use an american PS3 in europe, can i use it on an american ntsc tv (the samsung) in europe, can i use the ntsc samsung as a normal tv in europe (just for watching danish tv channels), and can i connect the ntsc samsung to a european pc as a monitor?

the "power wire" isnt the problem, i already have the stuff that converts the electricity from american to european. so no power issues. my problem is the ntsc/pal system, which i dont know too much about.

baiums_inferno


Re: the PS3 in Europe, supposedly, Sony is not region locking its games so that shouldn't be a problem for games but for movies, that will be a problem because movies will still be region locked.  Also, you should still be able to use it with that Samsung that you bought over here.

Re: NTSC to PAL, there are converters out there so that won't be an issue but I'm not sure if they make converters for HDTVs.  Be sure to research that before buying the Samsung.  Also, about using the TV as a monitor, this is only a guess but I've heard that VGA is pretty universal no matter what country you're in so if the Samsung has a VGA input, you should be good to go (again, this is only a guess but if I'm wrong, I'm sure that there's a converter you can buy for that too).
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[QUOTE="GalvatronType_R"]Hello, folks [bows deeply], this thread is dedicated to answering questions anyone feels like posting about HDTV, which TVs are good, cables, audio, etc., etc. So don't be shy, post a question and I'll try my best to answer it. I'll start with a few observations (most of these are IMOs, some are facts):

-expensive A/V cables, (Monster, Acoustic Research, et. al.) are the snake oil of the 21st century (if you don't believe me, look at the founder of Monster Cables's mansion, if that doesn't show that their products are overpriced and overrated, nothing will)

-not only has HD DVD won the first round vs. Blu-Ray, it won it in a landslide

-1080p is very, very overrated and is used as more of a marketing tool than an actual screen resolution

-don't make the mistake many others make, if you buy a decent display, dont't sell the audio side short, pair it with a phenomenal digital audio system

-for your own sakes, please don't buy Bose, if you have that much money to spend on audio, there are comparably priced, better-performing alternatives

So, again, post any questions, you'll get some semi-worthwhile answers.
Dualshockin

If you're going to be biased,whats the point of this thread?

We all know there is hardly any difference between Blu-ray and HD-DVD(only real difference is Blu-ray disc capacity which happens to be bigger),so if you feel some hatred towards Ps3's 1080p capabilities compared to Xbox 360's fake 1080p capabilities,I suggest you head on over to System Wars.



This has absolutely nothing to do with bias.  Yes, BD and HD DVD are similar technologies but for the best picture quality at the best price RIGHT NOW, HD DVD is ahead of BD and that's an absolute fact.  If you don't believe me, read Sound and Vision, Home Theater Review, various online HT sites, and other sources.  They all come to the same conclusion that HD DVDs look better than comparable BDs.  This is not an Sony vs. Microsoft issue (HD DVD is pushed by Toshiba, BTW).
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#72 virtual-human
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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]

[QUOTE="GalvatronType_R"]Hello, folks [bows deeply], this thread is dedicated to answering questions anyone feels like posting about HDTV, which TVs are good, cables, audio, etc., etc. So don't be shy, post a question and I'll try my best to answer it. I'll start with a few observations (most of these are IMOs, some are facts):

-expensive A/V cables, (Monster, Acoustic Research, et. al.) are the snake oil of the 21st century (if you don't believe me, look at the founder of Monster Cables's mansion, if that doesn't show that their products are overpriced and overrated, nothing will)

-not only has HD DVD won the first round vs. Blu-Ray, it won it in a landslide

-1080p is very, very overrated and is used as more of a marketing tool than an actual screen resolution

-don't make the mistake many others make, if you buy a decent display, dont't sell the audio side short, pair it with a phenomenal digital audio system

-for your own sakes, please don't buy Bose, if you have that much money to spend on audio, there are comparably priced, better-performing alternatives

So, again, post any questions, you'll get some semi-worthwhile answers.
GalvatronType_R

If you're going to be biased,whats the point of this thread?

We all know there is hardly any difference between Blu-ray and HD-DVD(only real difference is Blu-ray disc capacity which happens to be bigger),so if you feel some hatred towards Ps3's 1080p capabilities compared to Xbox 360's fake 1080p capabilities,I suggest you head on over to System Wars.



This has absolutely nothing to do with bias.  Yes, BD and HD DVD are similar technologies but for the best picture quality at the best price RIGHT NOW, HD DVD is ahead of BD and that's an absolute fact.  If you don't believe me, read Sound and Vision, Home Theater Review, various online HT sites, and other sources.  They all come to the same conclusion that HD DVDs look better than comparable BDs.  This is not an Sony vs. Microsoft issue (HD DVD is pushed by Toshiba, BTW).

"Right now" is somewhat immaterial as things are changing quickly with reference-quality BDs using high-bitrate MPEG2 on 50GB discs. And price is immaterial if you consider the fact that the PS3 can be had for $500 and is considered to be of better quality than the other 1st-gen Blu-Ray players.

Why is everybody trying so hard to declare a winner now? The "war" has just barely begun. There aren't very many players on the market yet, and nobody cares besides the early adopters. Give it some time...

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#73 Kodai_kun
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They all come to the same conclusion that HD DVDs look better than comparable BDs. This is not an Sony vs. Microsoft issue (HD DVD is pushed by Toshiba, BTW).

Seems you haven't been keeping up. The reviews of the latest batch of BR discs have been nothing but stellar. Kingdom of Heaven, Black Hawk Down, MI:3(which looks "identical" to the HD-DVD version, despite being MPEG-2). Not to mention the fact that Warner is using the exact same encode on all their titles for both formats now.
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#74 virtual-human
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They all come to the same conclusion that HD DVDs look better than comparable BDs. This is not an Sony vs. Microsoft issue (HD DVD is pushed by Toshiba, BTW).Kodai_kun

Seems you haven't been keeping up. The reviews of the latest batch of BR discs have been nothing but stellar. Kingdom of Heaven, Black Hawk Down, MI:3(which looks "identical" to the HD-DVD version, despite being MPEG-2). Not to mention the fact that Warner is using the exact same encode on all their titles for both formats now.

Don't forget Tears of the Sun. That's supposed to be great, too. :)
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#75 KingSanoM
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http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10073954&catid=23243#

or

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10075863&catid=23243

or

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10073636&catid=23243#

or

 http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10077964&catid=23244

Keep in mind all these prices are listed in canadian. I will probably be getting either ps3 or xbox 360(not sure yet) and i would like to know which one of these would be best,thanks in advance.

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#76 HyperSaiyan
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Is this a good HDTV mainly for playing xbox 360 on. It seems really good for the price http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=202955565&loc=111&sp=1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16889160005 (both are the same TV) ALSO, how do you make links to just click on? instead of having to copy and paste into address bar? :P
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#77 GalvatronType_R
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http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10073954&catid=23243#

or

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10075863&catid=23243

or

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10073636&catid=23243#

or

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10077964&catid=23244

Keep in mind all these prices are listed in canadian. I will probably be getting either ps3 or xbox 360(not sure yet) and i would like to know which one of these would be best,thanks in advance.

KingSanoM


This one's a bit tough because for some of those TVs, their contrast ratio and HDMI/DVI ports are not listed.  For what is there I'd say that the Toshiba seems to be the best bet.  Not only does it have a reasonable price but I'd wager that it has at least one HDMI or DVI port (maybe more).  Also, it has a VGA port so you can use it as a computer monitor as well.  Normally speaking, when talking about flat panel LCDs, Sharp and Samsung are good bets but in this case, that Toshiba looks promising.

One more thing, while 26" is good, are you sure you can't go bigger, maybe even to 32"?  Trust me, if you can afford to spend a few more bucks, that extra 5" makes all the difference in the world.  If not, again, if it were me, with the limited information given, I'd buy the Toshiba.
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#78 GalvatronType_R
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[QUOTE="HyperSaiyan"]Is this a good HDTV mainly for playing xbox 360 on. It seems really good for the price http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=202955565&loc=111&sp=1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16889160005 (both are the same TV) ALSO, how do you make links to just click on? instead of having to copy and paste into address bar? :P



That Envision looks pretty good, 32" of LCD goodness for $699 is not bad at all.  It has a 1000:1 contrast ratio (pretty decent), 8ms response time (more than adequate for gaming), and a fairly long warranty.

A few words of warning:  that LCD only has 1 component and 1 HDMI input and it doesn't seem to have a VGA input.  That may be a problem if not only you want to hook up multiple game consoles but other stuff like and HDTV receiver or DVD player or whatever.  You may have to invest in a video switcher or a home theater receiver that does video switching.  Also, be careful about buying electronics online.  If something were to go wrong with it, imagine all the trouble you'd have to go through to get it replaced or return it.  For a few more bucks, buying it at a brick and mortar store with a fair return policy may be worthwhile just in case something goes wrong with the TV.
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#79 Prodigy_basic
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thanks again Galvatron

But you really threw a monkey wrench in when you stated that you're considering a 37" Toshiba for the same price as the others. I'll tell you want I tell everyone else, no matter what distance you'll be sitting from the TV, GET THE BIGGEST TV THAT YOU CAN AFFORD. Especially if like you said, you anticipate sitting farther away down the road, a bigger TV for a few more bucks makes sense.GalvatronType_R

you suggested getting the biggest tv that i can afford...so maybe you can explain and suggest something for me

i asked for suggestions for an lcd flat panel hdtv, and we came to the choice of the toshiba 37" over the 32" samsung/sharp/sony models because it was bigger...

lcd flat panel hdtvs cost more in general than an lcd projection hdtv...so given that i can find a 42" projection lcd tv for the same price as the 37" flat panel tv, would you recommend the projection tv?

this was the model i was looking at:

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0770HDS0010079167&catid=

http://www.sonystyle.ca/commerce/servlet/ProductDetailDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&productId=1003130

what are the advantages/disadvantages of an lcd and a projection tv?  i will be using this mostly for videogames, then split in half between hd-dvd watching and watching hd programs on digital cable...

thanks...i'm very interested to read your response...

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If I buy a 1080p tv and run a 720p game on it will it look ugly
stretched across the pixels or will it scale and look sharp? The reason
I ask is that if I play 720p games on my LCD Computer monitor with its
1680x1050 native resolution, the picture is nowhere near as sharp as
games running in the monitor's native resolution, due to there being a
lesser number of total pixels "stretched" across the monitors pixels.
Would I be better off buying a native 720p tv if I want that crispness?
Or does the scaling on tv's take care of that kind of thing? One thing I forgot to mention is that I am looking at DLP sets. Do these even have these same issues like LCD's do? Thanks for
any responses.
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Hello?....Is anyone even there? Or does no one know the answer to my question???
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#82 GalvatronType_R
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thanks again Galvatron

[QUOTE="GalvatronType_R"]But you really threw a monkey wrench in when you stated that you're considering a 37" Toshiba for the same price as the others. I'll tell you want I tell everyone else, no matter what distance you'll be sitting from the TV, GET THE BIGGEST TV THAT YOU CAN AFFORD. Especially if like you said, you anticipate sitting farther away down the road, a bigger TV for a few more bucks makes sense.Prodigy_basic

you suggested getting the biggest tv that i can afford...so maybe you can explain and suggest something for me

i asked for suggestions for an lcd flat panel hdtv, and we came to the choice of the toshiba 37" over the 32" samsung/sharp/sony models because it was bigger...

lcd flat panel hdtvs cost more in general than an lcd projection hdtv...so given that i can find a 42" projection lcd tv for the same price as the 37" flat panel tv, would you recommend the projection tv?

this was the model i was looking at:

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0770HDS0010079167&catid=

http://www.sonystyle.ca/commerce/servlet/ProductDetailDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&productId=1003130

what are the advantages/disadvantages of an lcd and a projection tv? i will be using this mostly for videogames, then split in half between hd-dvd watching and watching hd programs on digital cable...

thanks...i'm very interested to read your response...



I'm not a big fan of LCD projection TVs for a number of reasons.  Besides black levels, another LCD picture quality problem is what's called the screen door effect.  LCD pixels are arranged in a grid like pattern and because of the interpixel spacing between them, looking at some LCD's picture is like looking through a screen door.  In my experience, LCD projection TVs have a bigger problem with the screen door effect than flat panel LCDs/

Also, unlike flat panel LCD, LCD projection TVs have a light bulb cartridge that will eventually need to be replaced (usually around 3k hours).  It is user replaceable but it may run between $200 all the way up to $500.

So yes, while I recommend that you go as big as you can afford to on a TV, if you go rear projection, I'd recommend you go with DLP or LCOS.
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#83 GalvatronType_R
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If I buy a 1080p tv and run a 720p game on it will it look ugly
stretched across the pixels or will it scale and look sharp? The reason
I ask is that if I play 720p games on my LCD Computer monitor with its
1680x1050 native resolution, the picture is nowhere near as sharp as
games running in the monitor's native resolution, due to there being a
lesser number of total pixels "stretched" across the monitors pixels.
Would I be better off buying a native 720p tv if I want that crispness?
Or does the scaling on tv's take care of that kind of thing? One thing I forgot to mention is that I am looking at DLP sets. Do these even have these same issues like LCD's do? Thanks for
any responses.
NinjaFoot


Yes, you're right, any time you run anything on a display that is less or more than the display's native resolution, you will not get the best picture quality possible.  That's one problem with running consoles on a computer monitor because most monitors have much higher resolution than most consoles can output.  Therefore, if you get a 1080p TV, the best thing to do is to set the console to run at 1080i which will be a closer pixel to pixel match than 720p.

Generally speaking, DLPs tend to have better overall picture quality than LCDs, specifically regarding black levels (although LCDs generally are brighter and have better color definition).  While you will get blacker blacks and almost nonexistent screen door effect from DLPs, there are a few drawbacks.  DLPs work by shining light through a spinning color wheel onto a microchip device containing millions of mirrors.  Because of this, some people see a phenomenon called the rainbow effect, that is, in some scenes from movies or games, they will see occasional streaks of primary colors (red, blue, and green, usually in very bright scenes or scenes that transition from dark to white).  This tends to give the viewer headaches and I'd recommend that you look very closely in the store at the DLPs to see if you can see this rainbow effect.  If so and it bothers you, you'll have no choice but to go with alternatives like LCD, LCOS, plasma, etc.  Also, DLP has the most internal moving parts compared to other microdisplay technologies so that increases the chances of something going wrong.

Still, generally speaking, DLP is a great technology and deserves a look as long as you're aware of the drawbacks.
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thanks Galvatron

I'm not a big fan of LCD projection TVs for a number of reasons.  Besides black levels, another LCD picture quality problem is what's called the screen door effect.  LCD pixels are arranged in a grid like pattern and because of the interpixel spacing between them, looking at some LCD's picture is like looking through a screen door.  In my experience, LCD projection TVs have a bigger problem with the screen door effect than flat panel LCDs/

Also, unlike flat panel LCD, LCD projection TVs have a light bulb cartridge that will eventually need to be replaced (usually around 3k hours).  It is user replaceable but it may run between $200 all the way up to $500.

So yes, while I recommend that you go as big as you can afford to on a TV, if you go rear projection, I'd recommend you go with DLP or LCOS.
GalvatronType_R

i've been reading threads at avsforum.com for the past few weeks, and i came across this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=558125&page=1&pp=30&highlight=DLP+lag

it's an article on hdtvs and videogame lag

"So just how bad is the lag?

Although there is no real way to measure, and the numbers vary based on the hdtv, the average hdtv seems to lag roughly 6 frames, or 1/10 of a second when processing 480i material.  DLP hdtvs seem to be a bit worse, some people claiming lag up to 15 frames, or 1/4 of a second."

"As a rule of thumb, you should stay away from DLP sets if you plan on playing a lot of timing-sensitive video games."

the guy seems like he knows what he's talking about too, which is why i'm wary of any and all DLP tvs at the moment...although not every DLP tv is the same, it seems like a general assumption that DLP lags more than LCD...

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#85 GalvatronType_R
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thanks Galvatron

[QUOTE="GalvatronType_R"]I'm not a big fan of LCD projection TVs for a number of reasons. Besides black levels, another LCD picture quality problem is what's called the screen door effect. LCD pixels are arranged in a grid like pattern and because of the interpixel spacing between them, looking at some LCD's picture is like looking through a screen door. In my experience, LCD projection TVs have a bigger problem with the screen door effect than flat panel LCDs/

Also, unlike flat panel LCD, LCD projection TVs have a light bulb cartridge that will eventually need to be replaced (usually around 3k hours). It is user replaceable but it may run between $200 all the way up to $500.

So yes, while I recommend that you go as big as you can afford to on a TV, if you go rear projection, I'd recommend you go with DLP or LCOS.
Prodigy_basic

i've been reading threads at avsforum.com for the past few weeks, and i came across this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=558125&page=1&pp=30&highlight=DLP+lag

it's an article on hdtvs and videogame lag

"So just how bad is the lag?

Although there is no real way to measure, and the numbers vary based on the hdtv, the average hdtv seems to lag roughly 6 frames, or 1/10 of a second when processing 480i material. DLP hdtvs seem to be a bit worse, some people claiming lag up to 15 frames, or 1/4 of a second."

"As a rule of thumb, you should stay away from DLP sets if you plan on playing a lot of timing-sensitive video games."

the guy seems like he knows what he's talking about too, which is why i'm wary of any and all DLP tvs at the moment...although not every DLP tv is the same, it seems like a general assumption that DLP lags more than LCD...



Yes, there have been issues with image lag with DLPs and 480i games, probably owed to the fact that 480i (and 480p) need to be upconverted to the DLP TV's native resolution (1280x720 most of the time) by the built in scaler. 

If you use high definition material that skips the internal scaler altogether, theoretically, you should be able to avoid lag (for a 1280x720 DLP, set your console to 720p; for a 1920x1080 DLP, set your console to 1080i or 1080p if possible).  Just like you posted, each DLP is different but a friend of mine has a 61" 720p Samsung DLP and from the many times I've played games on it, I have noticed zero lag.  Your mileage may vary so I'd recommend that you go to the store and really look closely before you buy.
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sure thing Galvatron...i didn't mean to challenge your point or anything like that....thanks for the response

i have a final question before i get my hdtv...it's about the native resolution and it's impact on watching sd and hd programming (on tv and on dvd/hddvd)

basically, if i saw two tvs, one with a 1366x768p native resolution and one with a 1280x720 resolution, with everything else being identical, can you explain which one will look better when watching standard-def and high-def programming?  will both have an identical picture quality in SD?  and if i set both tvs to watch an hddvd at 720p, will both look identical as well, or will the 1366x768p tv look sharper?  what if i set both tvs to 1080i and tried to watch an hddvd movie?

basically, what advantages does a tv with 1366x768 have over a tv with 1280x720?

and do my questions above apply to videogames on my 360 as well?

thanks!

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wow galvatron, it's good to see this thread is still alive.  I'm really the pikachu slapping pickachu avatar - epsilon72 user, i'm just posting from this account b/c my 7 day suspension is still in effect after 9 days :/  Friggin mods.
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im thinking about getting these speakers for my 360

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1068238&Tab=0&NoMapp=0

are they any good?and whats the differance between using an optical cable instead of the component cables for sound on my 360?

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I'm planning on picking up an Xbox 360 soon and I want to hook it into my BenQ 20in Widescreen LCD monitor and its native resolution is 1680 x 1050. Would the xbox display HD on this monitor? Will the image not be stretched or distorted? And what resolution would it display? 780p or 1080i? Thanks for your time and ill post a link to my monitor with its specs below: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824014105
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#91 GalvatronType_R
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sure thing Galvatron...i didn't mean to challenge your point or anything like that....thanks for the response

i have a final question before i get my hdtv...it's about the native resolution and it's impact on watching sd and hd programming (on tv and on dvd/hddvd)

basically, if i saw two tvs, one with a 1366x768p native resolution and one with a 1280x720 resolution, with everything else being identical, can you explain which one will look better when watching standard-def and high-def programming? will both have an identical picture quality in SD? and if i set both tvs to watch an hddvd at 720p, will both look identical as well, or will the 1366x768p tv look sharper? what if i set both tvs to 1080i and tried to watch an hddvd movie?

basically, what advantages does a tv with 1366x768 have over a tv with 1280x720?

and do my questions above apply to videogames on my 360 as well?

thanks!

Prodigy_basic


Hey, I took no offense, there is nothing wrong with having varying opinions.

1366x768 has a few more pixels (1,049,088) than 1280x720 (921,600) but I can say with some certainty that you will not notice the extra pixels.  The human eye is a great feat of engineering but it is still limited in that there is a certain ceiling of quality that the naked eye can detect.  So 99% of the time, your eyes will not detect a difference between the two resolutions and so there will be no discernable advantages.

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im thinking about getting these speakers for my 360

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1068238&Tab=0&NoMapp=0

are they any good?and whats the differance between using an optical cable instead of the component cables for sound on my 360?

racer360


This is a pretty good price for a surround sound speaker package.  If you want true digital surround sound for the 360, you will need a system that has a built in Dolby Digital decoder as well as an optical digital input.  From my reading of the specs, I couldn't tell if this speaker system has either but if you're going to use a surround receiver and just plug these speakers up to it, I'd wager that your receiver will have Dolby Digital and an optical input so you should be okay.  If not, check to see if this speaker system has a Dolby Digital decoder with an optical input before you buy.

Re: hookups, you were probably referring to coaxial digital input instead of a component input for sound (component carries picture info only).  About optical vs. coaxial digital cables, there is no quality difference between them except if you have a longer cable run, optical may be a better choice since it is less prone to static interference.  Ideally, coaxial is more desirable on price alone since coaxial digital audio cables tend to be cheaper than optical.  With game consoles, though, you have no choice but to go with optical.

Again, just like I stated in my OP, please, please, do not get drawn into the overpriced cable marketing BS that Monster Cable and others out there put out.  From my experience, 99% of the time, there is NO discernable quality difference between a $10 cable and a $100 cable.  If you want cheap and reliable cables, go to www.monoprice.com for your cable needs.
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[QUOTE="DarkMasterX13"] I'm planning on picking up an Xbox 360 soon and I want to hook it into my BenQ 20in Widescreen LCD monitor and its native resolution is 1680 x 1050. Would the xbox display HD on this monitor? Will the image not be stretched or distorted? And what resolution would it display? 780p or 1080i? Thanks for your time and ill post a link to my monitor with its specs below: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824014105



The great thing about computer monitors is that they have higher resolution than most TVs but the drawback is that those higher resolutions usually aren't perfect matches for the game consoles on the market currently.

That monitor will definitely display the 360 in HD but the trick is finding the optimal display setting for it.  For 1680x1050, I'd probably set the 360 for 720p but experiment with 1080i and 1080p to see which of the three look the best (I assume that you'll be using the 360 VGA cable).  Keep in mind, though, if you go with 1080i or 1080p, you will not see their true resolution because both require 1920x1080 at minimum and the monitor will downconvert both to fit its native resolution.  Again, try all three to see which looks best.

Re: distortion, that depends on how good the scaler is in that monitor.  It's more than possible that the monitor may have no trouble displaying 720p but may distort 1080i and 1080p or vice versa.  There is no way to find out for sure until you try it out but I'd wager that at least one of the three resolutions that the 360 is capable of will work just fine.
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[QUOTE="racer360"]

im thinking about getting these speakers for my 360

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1068238&Tab=0&NoMapp=0

are they any good?and whats the differance between using an optical cable instead of the component cables for sound on my 360?

GalvatronType_R


This is a pretty good price for a surround sound speaker package.  If you want true digital surround sound for the 360, you will need a system that has a built in Dolby Digital decoder as well as an optical digital input.  From my reading of the specs, I couldn't tell if this speaker system has either but if you're going to use a surround receiver and just plug these speakers up to it, I'd wager that your receiver will have Dolby Digital and an optical input so you should be okay.  If not, check to see if this speaker system has a Dolby Digital decoder with an optical input before you buy.

Re: hookups, you were probably referring to coaxial digital input instead of a component input for sound (component carries picture info only).  About optical vs. coaxial digital cables, there is no quality difference between them except if you have a longer cable run, optical may be a better choice since it is less prone to static interference.  Ideally, coaxial is more desirable on price alone since coaxial digital audio cables tend to be cheaper than optical.  With game consoles, though, you have no choice but to go with optical.

Again, just like I stated in my OP, please, please, do not get drawn into the overpriced cable marketing BS that Monster Cable and others out there put out.  From my experience, 99% of the time, there is NO discernable quality difference between a $10 cable and a $100 cable.  If you want cheap and reliable cables, go to www.monoprice.com for your cable needs.

thanks for the response and link to the site
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great thread.i was wondering if you could help me out. i am buying this lcd tv.http://www.unbeatable.co.uk/p_repr/Toshiba-32WLT68-32-in-HDTV-Ready-LCD-Television-Reviews/37143317.html

1.do you think it is a good purchase?

2.could you give me a link or something to show mewhich cable i nedd to use it as a pc monitor.

3.it says there is no dedicated audio for pc.what will i have to do for audio?

hope you can help.will be appreciated

cheers buddy...

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great thread.i was wondering if you could help me out. i am buying this lcd tv.http://www.unbeatable.co.uk/p_repr/Toshiba-32WLT68-32-in-HDTV-Ready-LCD-Television-Reviews/37143317.html

1.do you think it is a good purchase?

2.could you give me a link or something to show mewhich cable i nedd to use it as a pc monitor.

3.it says there is no dedicated audio for pc.what will i have to do for audio?

hope you can help.will be appreciated

cheers buddy...

keano3333


1. The specs on this LCD are excellent, I'm especially impressed with the 3500:1 contrast ratio and the 3 HDMI inputs. For everything you're getting, I'd say this is a great buy.

2. I'm not sure how you all do things in Europe but if your computers are anything like the ones over here, assuming that the Toshiba has a VGA input, all you need is a simple VGA cable.

3. If there is no audio input for the PC input, you're in kind of a bind. If possible, just place your CPU near the TV and plug the monitor out to the TV and place your PC speakers near the TV. If this isn't possible, you're going to have to get a headphone to RCA L/R wire and buy a separate speaker system with an RCA input for your audio.
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thanks for the reply.i got the tv for £1,000 it comes with a 5yr guarantee.it says the pc is connected through a dsub terminal,if that helps.i can put the pc near the tv so a good set of speakers are in order i think......cheers
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I've got a question, what is the best plasma TV that's 50 inches or bigger that has a HD Digital tuner built in?
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Here's my dumb question. I am looking into buying a 2nd HD DLP for mostly gameing, 360 & PS3, and was wondering if it was REALLY worth the money to get a 1080p over the 720p. I know that you said that the 1080p was over rated but I thought that I would ask the question anyway, see if maybe you thoughts have changed. I was wondering dumb stuff like if I can REALLY tell a diffrence between the 720p and 1080p when playing video games. I currently have a CRT 720p/1080i that I use for gameing, will the DLP be a huge upgrade in picture? Also if the TV was going to be used for HD sat would the 1080p be any better than 720p? Thanks ahead of time!
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#100 Varese_basic
Member since 2002 • 6785 Posts
How come VCRs never last? I and my relatives have broken VCRs. Is it the EP setting recording or perhaps its the power or lack of it?