Windows 8 is HERE !!!!

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Meh, I'm waiting for a fully rendered 3D city (as an interface) to wonder around in to browse my folders and files. And I'll also want to interact and chat with other people online in these "virtual cities" of course :)FelipeInside

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"]You mean the 1 new feature?That no PC user care about? The general verdict is "its useless for us" here on the forum. Whenever we can turn it on or off dont mater its a pointless thing and people wont stand there and cheer. Also yes its slow and clunky compared to a keyboard / mouse. It looks like he is doing stuff in slow motion compared to M/K.FelipeInside

It's a 5 minute video showing ONE of the new features. Keyword: ONE.

One is also the keyword for the actual video, since it's the first of many as the host said.

So you don't care about it, that automatically makes the entire planet not care about it either? The general verdict here is useless cause most people here are gamers (including me), and they can't see passed their naive gaming minds what posibilities these things bring and that the future is this.

How is it slow and clunky? It's as responsive as the iPhone. And OBVIOUSLY a mouse is going to be quicker than sending your finger across a 40'' screen. Now see if a mouse is quicker on a Windows Phone...

Ahh, but if you ever used the "lite OS" that the HP Touch Desktops brought you will see that these kind of big chunky boxes are needed....FelipeInside

Out of the 1000's of people i have talked to online not a single person use a touch screen on a PC.

KalDurenik

I'm sorry but there's no way you've talked to 1000's of people online and asked every single one of them if they use a touch screen PC. Neither did they all reply no. You're clearly making that up.

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"]

Out of the 1000's of people i have talked to online not a single person use a touch screen on a PC.

SilverSignal

I'm sorry but there's no way you've talked to 1000's of people online and asked every single one of them if they use a touch screen PC. Neither did they all reply no. You're clearly making that up.

Yes its one... And most people wont care at all. Out of the 1000's of people i have talked to online not a single person use a touch screen on a PC. This topic is about the feature in that movie. Its nothing special for a PC. End of line. Here is a serious question... I know its cool and all when they wave their arms around on touch screens in sci-fi movies and stuff. But... Is it useful? In ANY industry in any work place in ANY school? In any game? Can in out preform a M/K in any of these? No it cant. Im sure its great of a iphone or ipod or whatever. However the only reason why there is a touch screen there... Is because people dont want to carry a M/K around. If you would plug a M/K into a phone it would still be faster. PC's in general are stationary. Laptops will still be faster to use with a M/K. So now do tell me what possibilities a touch screen bring for the feature of a PC.

KalDurenik

Windows 8 is not built specifically for you and only for you.

I own an HP Touchsmart tm2t, and i can easily see many, many benefits to using Windows 8 and its touch-based UI. I specifically bought this tablet for school so i can write all my notes - even math formulas, graphs, symbols, etc - with a Wacom digitizer pen. Its also a touchscreen which makes it very useful for "pinch-to-zoom" on my notes so i can adjust the size so i can see all my notes at a glance. Rarely, but it happens, that i need to interact with the OS. Its difficult to do certain things when its in tablet mode.

I need to rely on a combination of firefox mods and Rainmeter to create a better touch-based interface so i dont have to break my workflow as much as possible. Combining both a touchbased UI and the traditional UI gives me the best of both worlds - exactly what a convertible tablet PC is supposed to do.

Is it useful? It sure as hell is for me. In any industry? I can easily see it useful in the medical industry. In any work place? Sure. In any school? in MY school for ME it is. Can it outperform M/K? Ever try writing math formulas with just a keyboard and mouse? Good luck!

So now that i've schooled on the benefits of using a touchscreen, i suggest you use one for producitivity before claiming it has none.

If you dont care for the touchbased features then dont use them.

Its that simple. Windows 7 introduces homegroups. I run my own VPN server. I dont complain about homegroups - i just simply dont use it. There are further advances to Windows 8 that im looking forward to beyond the touchscreen stuff, namely the upgraded file system.

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"]

Yes its one... And most people wont care at all. Out of the 1000's of people i have talked to online not a single person use a touch screen on a PC. This topic is about the feature in that movie. Its nothing special for a PC. End of line. Here is a serious question... I know its cool and all when they wave their arms around on touch screens in sci-fi movies and stuff. But... Is it useful? In ANY industry in any work place in ANY school? In any game? Can in out preform a M/K in any of these? No it cant. Im sure its great of a iphone or ipod or whatever. However the only reason why there is a touch screen there... Is because people dont want to carry a M/K around. If you would plug a M/K into a phone it would still be faster. PC's in general are stationary. Laptops will still be faster to use with a M/K. So now do tell me what possibilities a touch screen bring for the feature of a PC.

XaosII

Windows 8 is not built specifically for you and only for you.

I own an HP Touchsmart tm2t, and i can easily see many, many benefits to using Windows 8 and its touch-based UI. I specifically bought this tablet for school so i can write all my notes - even math formulas, graphs, symbols, etc - with a Wacom digitizer pen. Its also a touchscreen which makes it very useful for "pinch-to-zoom" on my notes so i can adjust the size so i can see all my notes at a glance. Rarely, but it happens, that i need to interact with the OS. Its difficult to do certain things when its in tablet mode.

I need to rely on a combination of firefox mods and Rainmeter to create a better touch-based interface so i dont have to break my workflow as much as possible. Combining both a touchbased UI and the traditional UI gives me the best of both worlds - exactly what a convertible tablet PC is supposed to do.

Is it useful? It sure as hell is for me. In any industry? I can easily see it useful in the medical industry. In any work place? Sure. In any school? in MY school for ME it is. Can it outperform M/K? Ever try writing math formulas with just a keyboard and mouse? Good luck!

So now that i've schooled on the benefits of using a touchscreen, i suggest you use one for producitivity before claiming it has none.

If you dont care for the touchbased features then dont use them.

Its that simple. Windows 7 introduces homegroups. I run my own VPN server. I dont complain about homegroups - i just simply dont use it. There are further advances to Windows 8 that im looking forward to beyond the touchscreen stuff, namely the upgraded file system.

To me it just looks like windows 7 with an extra UI to make things simpler for certain people. I dont see whats bad in this...im sure the tiles arent going to affect anything when it comes to gaming.

as long as it's not harming gaming, im fine with it. If it enhances the gaming experience, I might even get it, allthou I still think my win7 is kinda new :)

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"]You mean the 1 new feature?That no PC user care about? The general verdict is "its useless for us" here on the forum. Whenever we can turn it on or off dont mater its a pointless thing and people wont stand there and cheer. Also yes its slow and clunky compared to a keyboard / mouse. It looks like he is doing stuff in slow motion compared to M/K.KalDurenik

It's a 5 minute video showing ONE of the new features. Keyword: ONE.

One is also the keyword for the actual video, since it's the first of many as the host said.

So you don't care about it, that automatically makes the entire planet not care about it either? The general verdict here is useless cause most people here are gamers (including me), and they can't see passed their naive gaming minds what posibilities these things bring and that the future is this.

How is it slow and clunky? It's as responsive as the iPhone. And OBVIOUSLY a mouse is going to be quicker than sending your finger across a 40'' screen. Now see if a mouse is quicker on a Windows Phone...

Obviously you haven't worked in a place where sales/presentations take place in the digital form.... or in a school where touch is gaining more and more ground, or even warehouses where they do stocktake using touch laptops...?

Remember the 2 points I have been saying for the past 8 pages

1- Just because you can't see the use in ur life doesn't make the feature useless

2- I probably won't be using this feature either, I will just turn it off, stop freaking out people

PS: to the person who said Kinect, yes... it would work great.

[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]They are coming out with OS's way to fast. Stop being greedy MS. Fix the bugs and problems in the previous OS before you bring out a new one and expect us to pay top dollar for it.SilverSignal

Pointing to the fact that they have released previous OS's too fast, to prove they don't release OS's too fast.?

There was no need for most of them. 7 is no better than Vista, and the only thing 8 brings to the table is a new UI. These constant releases are flat out stupid.

[QUOTE="SilverSignal"][QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]They are coming out with OS's way to fast. Stop being greedy MS. Fix the bugs and problems in the previous OS before you bring out a new one and expect us to pay top dollar for it.Born_Lucky

Pointing to the fact that they have released previous OS's too fast, to prove they don't release OS's too fast.?

There was no need for most of them. 7 is no better than Vista, and the only thing 8 brings to the table is a new UI. These constant releases are flat out stupid.

Why is Microsoft not separating their tablet OS from their desktop OS? Otherwise, impressive demo.

haha what a joke

Because an OS is designed for everybody not just you? I'm sure there will be other useful things, for gamers? what do gamers want? infact what do PC gamers want? the most reluctant group to change in existance. Yes we have it good. but what do you want from Microsoft that wont make you all whine like babies everytime something new from them is announced? Comments like: "Less buggy OS with less resource hog pleaaaase" .... when even the toughest of games dont approach 4GB ram or tax any half decent CPU to this day. They announce that windows 8 will have a new GAMES CENTRE, equip with all the flashy features of XBox and facebook style gaming networking - resulted in "BUH BUH I LOVE THE BLANDNESS OF STEAM" I mean seriously, microsoft cant win with the audience that it spoon feeds ever.FelipeInside

If they expect me to buy it, it should be designed for me, Ive been heavily into computers for 30 years, I should be the first person looking forward to new things. Not sure what games your playing, but My I7 and 4g ram sure struggles in simulations.

I have an xbox 360, the UI in that is terrible, the avatars are terrible, it's made to appeal to chilldren, why would I want that on my computer, If I want that I'll play my xbox. GFWL is a bit clunky sure, but why not fix that instead of trying to turn my computer into an xbox or tablet.

Have you ever used kinect to navigate menus? it's slow, clunky and awkward, it works nothing like minority report I assure you

Why is everybody so mad?

Why is everybody so mad?

painguy1

If thats the way the desktop version will look I am sticking with Windows 7.

Looks like it will be great for touchscreen devices like tablets and phones but i will likely stick with the classic windows os interface for my desktop and laptop which will hopefully never be phased out by Microsoft although considering for doing actual work the new ui looks bad for that I don't think they ever will if they do their is always linux. It certainly makes transforming tablet laptops more appealing because you have a 2 interfaces built into the os one designed to work really well with touch input and the other is tried and proven to work well with the mouse and keyboard.

[QUOTE="SilverSignal"][QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]They are coming out with OS's way to fast. Stop being greedy MS. Fix the bugs and problems in the previous OS before you bring out a new one and expect us to pay top dollar for it.Born_Lucky

Pointing to the fact that they have released previous OS's too fast, to prove they don't release OS's too fast.?

There was no need for most of them. 7 is no better than Vista, and the only thing 8 brings to the table is a new UI. These constant releases are flat out stupid.

Did I just read that or are my eyes playing tricks on me...???

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Because an OS is designed for everybody not just you? I'm sure there will be other useful things, for gamers? what do gamers want? infact what do PC gamers want? the most reluctant group to change in existance. Yes we have it good. but what do you want from Microsoft that wont make you all whine like babies everytime something new from them is announced? Comments like: "Less buggy OS with less resource hog pleaaaase" .... when even the toughest of games dont approach 4GB ram or tax any half decent CPU to this day. They announce that windows 8 will have a new GAMES CENTRE, equip with all the flashy features of XBox and facebook style gaming networking - resulted in "BUH BUH I LOVE THE BLANDNESS OF STEAM" I mean seriously, microsoft cant win with the audience that it spoon feeds ever.kate_jones

If they expect me to buy it, it should be designed for me, Ive been heavily into computers for 30 years, I should be the first person looking forward to new things. Not sure what games your playing, but My I7 and 4g ram sure struggles in simulations.

I have an xbox 360, the UI in that is terrible, the avatars are terrible, it's made to appeal to chilldren, why would I want that on my computer, If I want that I'll play my xbox. GFWL is a bit clunky sure, but why not fix that instead of trying to turn my computer into an xbox or tablet.

Have you ever used kinect to navigate menus? it's slow, clunky and awkward, it works nothing like minority report I assure you

You still don't get it do you? YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THAT MENU, just use the normal menu if you want. Do you want me to say it in Spanish as well? ok...

"No tenes que usar ese menu, podes usar el menu clasico si queres"

Chinese? nah, don't know Chinese sorry...

Well duh... it's the first prototype of a new technology. No first release of new technology works flawlessly, you should know that by now with ur 30 years of massive experience.

Kinect is a great invention, and I'm not talking about stupid dancing games....imagine what's coming. They already said the next Kinect will detect fingers and even expressions...(you don't like change do you)

Windows 8 will be great. Mobile devices and desktop systems will finally be unified into one platform that already has the biggest library of softwares.

Windows 8 will be great. Mobile devices and desktop systems will finally be unified into one platform that already has the biggest library of softwares.

Mr_BillGates

[QUOTE="kate_jones"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Because an OS is designed for everybody not just you? I'm sure there will be other useful things, for gamers? what do gamers want? infact what do PC gamers want? the most reluctant group to change in existance. Yes we have it good. but what do you want from Microsoft that wont make you all whine like babies everytime something new from them is announced? Comments like: "Less buggy OS with less resource hog pleaaaase" .... when even the toughest of games dont approach 4GB ram or tax any half decent CPU to this day. They announce that windows 8 will have a new GAMES CENTRE, equip with all the flashy features of XBox and facebook style gaming networking - resulted in "BUH BUH I LOVE THE BLANDNESS OF STEAM" I mean seriously, microsoft cant win with the audience that it spoon feeds ever.FelipeInside

If they expect me to buy it, it should be designed for me, Ive been heavily into computers for 30 years, I should be the first person looking forward to new things. Not sure what games your playing, but My I7 and 4g ram sure struggles in simulations.

I have an xbox 360, the UI in that is terrible, the avatars are terrible, it's made to appeal to chilldren, why would I want that on my computer, If I want that I'll play my xbox. GFWL is a bit clunky sure, but why not fix that instead of trying to turn my computer into an xbox or tablet.

Have you ever used kinect to navigate menus? it's slow, clunky and awkward, it works nothing like minority report I assure you

You still don't get it do you? YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THAT MENU, just use the normal menu if you want. Do you want me to say it in Spanish as well? ok...

"No tenes que usar ese menu, podes usar el menu clasico si queres"

Chinese? nah, don't know Chinese sorry...

Well duh... it's the first prototype of a new technology. No first release of new technology works flawlessly, you should know that by now with ur 30 years of massive experience.

Kinect is a great invention, and I'm not talking about stupid dancing games....imagine what's coming. They already said the next Kinect will detect fingers and even expressions...(you don't like change do you)

Like I said I have asked microsoft about it, not sure why you claim to know more about windows 8 than they do, you can say it in any language you want, but a statement from microsoft is worth a lot more to me than a rumour from a random person on the internet.

[QUOTE="SilverSignal"][QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]They are coming out with OS's way to fast. Stop being greedy MS. Fix the bugs and problems in the previous OS before you bring out a new one and expect us to pay top dollar for it.Born_Lucky

Pointing to the fact that they have released previous OS's too fast, to prove they don't release OS's too fast.?

There was no need for most of them. 7 is no better than Vista, and the only thing 8 brings to the table is a new UI. These constant releases are flat out stupid.

[QUOTE="Born_Lucky"]

[QUOTE="SilverSignal"] 3 years between 7 and 8 is not too fast. Look on Wikipedia and you'll see that MS have released most of their OS's on a similar cycle.SilverSignal

Pointing to the fact that they have released previous OS's too fast, to prove they don't release OS's too fast.?

There was no need for most of them. 7 is no better than Vista, and the only thing 8 brings to the table is a new UI. These constant releases are flat out stupid.

Bloody Microsoft. We're only now getting over the mess of Vista and enjoying a nice and stable OS with Win 7, and now there bringing out a new one. I know this is the way it works with Microsoft but you think they would have the decency to keep giving there full attention to this current OS for at least another 2 years, as an apology for Vista. As long as they keep supporting Win 7, I won't be changing, no matter how good it is.

Bloody Microsoft. We're only now getting over the mess of Vista and enjoying a nice and stable OS with Win 7, and now there bringing out a new one. I know this is the way it works with Microsoft but you think they would have the decency to keep giving there full attention to this current OS for at least another 2 years, as an apology for Vista. As long as they keep supporting Win 7, I won't be changing, no matter how good it is.

Bazz3442

W7 is the apology for Vista, it's also just an OS, people have issues if they took almost 3 years to get over an OS that "just used a lot of RAM".

No I'm pointing to the fact that Microsoft have released most of their OS's every 3-4 years. So 3 years between 7 and 8 is nothing new as it's no different to previous OS's. Therefore saying it's "too fast" is just nonsense. I bet if you had to wait until 2013 you'd still complain that it was "too slow". There's no pleasing some people. SilverSignal

That was a decade ago. With XPs long time line, i, aswell as most people on the planet, thought that M$ has changed from this model of releasing OSs after OSs in short periods of time.

I like how they disabled comments. "Do you have any constructive criticism? Too bad! We know you're gonna hate this and we don't care." Switching from XP to 7 was easy but I won't be upgrading to 8 if they'd rather cater to idiots and grandmas than the educated.istuffedsunny

I don't understand how this will behave on a desktop pc. Will using a mouse work the same as using your finger with a pad touchscreen? Can I gesture with a mouse (which I can already do in Firefox with an addon).?Qixote

You can. But this is specifically designed for touchbased devices. Theres faily little point in using it with just a standard keyboard and mouse setup.

Chances are that it will probably not even be enabled if the computer doesnt detect a touch based device, much like the pen writing and on-screen keyboard don't show up by default if you dont have a touch/pen device on Win XP/Vista/7.

It ain't out yet, right?

Anyways, I heard it's simplified and quite attractive compared to Win 7.

I still prefer the old windows layout, the new UI just seem's way to basic and simple which is fine for tablets and phones but not for desktops.Shadowhawk000

I like how they disabled comments. "Do you have any constructive criticism? Too bad! We know you're gonna hate this and we don't care." Switching from XP to 7 was easy but I won't be upgrading to 8 if they'd rather cater to idiots and grandmas than the educated.istuffedsunny

I can not stand Microsoft anymore. They are too greedy and money hungry. I will be changing over all my computers away from Moneysoft as I can and getting rid of my xbox.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="kate_jones"]

If they expect me to buy it, it should be designed for me, Ive been heavily into computers for 30 years, I should be the first person looking forward to new things. Not sure what games your playing, but My I7 and 4g ram sure struggles in simulations.

I have an xbox 360, the UI in that is terrible, the avatars are terrible, it's made to appeal to chilldren, why would I want that on my computer, If I want that I'll play my xbox. GFWL is a bit clunky sure, but why not fix that instead of trying to turn my computer into an xbox or tablet.

Have you ever used kinect to navigate menus? it's slow, clunky and awkward, it works nothing like minority report I assure you

kate_jones

You still don't get it do you? YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THAT MENU, just use the normal menu if you want. Do you want me to say it in Spanish as well? ok...

"No tenes que usar ese menu, podes usar el menu clasico si queres"

Chinese? nah, don't know Chinese sorry...

Well duh... it's the first prototype of a new technology. No first release of new technology works flawlessly, you should know that by now with ur 30 years of massive experience.

Kinect is a great invention, and I'm not talking about stupid dancing games....imagine what's coming. They already said the next Kinect will detect fingers and even expressions...(you don't like change do you)

Like I said I have asked microsoft about it, not sure why you claim to know more about windows 8 than they do, you can say it in any language you want, but a statement from microsoft is worth a lot more to me than a rumour from a random person on the internet.

You could ask Bill Gates for all I care....

If you think that that interface cannot be turned off and go back to the normal desktop (WHICH WAS SHOWN ON THE ACTUAL VIDEO) you are very naive...

I can not stand Microsoft anymore. They are too greedy and money hungry. I will be changing over all my computers away from Moneysoft as I can and getting rid of my xbox.

Crocodile_Key

I can not stand Microsoft anymore. They are too greedy and money hungry. I will be changing over all my computers away from Moneysoft as I can and getting rid of my xbox.

Crocodile_Key

lol @ all the Microsoft apologists. The fact of the matter is that this UI is crap for a desktop and touch screens are crap for a desktop. Here is why:

1. You're going to need a mouse and keyboard anyway which makes the touch screen a redundant input device. The appeal of a touch screen on a mobile device comes from not having to carry around a sophisticated input device. Hardly a concern when we are talking about a desktop.

2. Imagine yourself sitting in your office chair with both your arms outstretched towards the screen. Yeah. Physically tiring and uncomfortable.

3. The mouse is a precision device. Large tiles are completely unnecessary and actually make things less efficient with a mouse besides taking up a ton of space. What exactly is wrong with the Windows 7 shell as a default desktop interface? Is it too complicated? No.

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." ~Einstein

5. Managing multiple windows with the metro UI is inefficient. With a taskbar you can easily see every application which is open on your current desktop.You can also launch frequently used application from the taskbar and less frequently used applications from the start menu without having to minimize/return to a tile menu.

I'm sure I could come up with some more reasons but I'm too lazy for now.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that Metro will be as out of place on a desktop as Windows 7 shell is on a tablet. The one size fits all approach isn't going to work.

lol @ all the Microsoft apologists. The fact of the matter is that this UI is crap for a desktop and touch screens are crap for a desktop. Here is why:

1. You're going to need a mouse and keyboard anyway which makes the touch screen a redundant input device. The appeal of a touch screen on a mobile device comes from not having to carry around a sophisticated input device. Hardly a concern when we are talking about a desktop. Desktops are sometimes used as touch devices. A simple example of this is a POS system. Also using desktop as collaborative workplace devices. Again, for the 73rd time, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE IT.... it's there cause as the host said, they won't to be able to use the new Windows on every device. HOW HARD IS IT TO UNDERSTAND THIS????

2. Imagine yourself sitting in your office chair with both your arms outstretched towards the screen. Yeah. Physically tiring and uncomfortable. See point 1.

3. The mouse is a precision device. Large tiles are completely unnecessary and actually make things less efficient with a mouse besides taking up a ton of space. What exactly is wrong with the Windows 7 shell as a default desktop interface? Is it too complicated? No. No, that's why you can use the normal cla..ssic UI for your BELOVED mouse and the touch menu for....guess what....you GOT IT, TOUCH.

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." ~Einstein

5. Managing multiple windows with the metro UI is inefficient. With a taskbar you can easily see every application which is open on your current desktop.You can also launch frequently used application from the taskbar and less frequently used applications from the start menu without having to minimize/return to a tile menu.

I'm sure I could come up with some more reasons but I'm too lazy for now.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that Metro will be as out of place on a desktop as Windows 7 shell is on a tablet. The one size fits all approach isn't going to work.

Tezcatlipoca666

I wasn't saying that we wouldn't be able to use classic. I don't even run Windows as my main OS anyway. I was just pointing out that, in general, a touchscreen UI and touchscreen monitor is rather inferior to what we already have for the desktop. Microsoft is making a senseless decision to force metro upon people until they deactivate it.

The default for a Windows desktop should be Windows 7 shell style, not a touch interface. The touch interface would be available just like Media Center is but not default! They could arrange it so that if a touch screen in detected during setup then the user could set that as default.