[QUOTE="Knivez0r"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="Knivez0r"] No, I was quoting the developers. Enough said. Sigh, grow up. Me Grow Up? Yo.. Seriously, Its like this. I never made this post to argue.. I put 'Be respectful with your opinions' but what happened? I Got flamed. Wow, An Opinion is not vailid unless its what you want it to be? I'm just saying design your own game, take it the way you want. So I Must, Design my own game, then come back and put out my opinion and it will be valid? So basically your saying, You will praise Killzone 2 just because you think you can't say bad about it because you have not made a game before? You are so .... Wow.
oh my god. Co-Op is not my problem, I've already said that in previous posts... My problem is, It will sway people away from it because of not having it, Plus I heard there is no offline multiplayer that will also sway people away from it... read the first post.
So, NOT having offline multiplayer is your problem and not having Co-Op isnt. Personally, when looking at other shooters without either I still see that they sold well. I don't believe that today that would cause a person not to buy a game. While COD4 had offline multiplayer, I can only attest to playing it once, of all the other countless hours logged, it was all on online/single player (mostly online). I don't believe people today refrain from buying games because they are missing offline multiplayer, as an engrossing online experience would make that obsolete...
[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="Knivez0r"] No, I was quoting the developers. Enough said. Sigh, grow up.Denji
Me Grow Up? Yo.. Seriously, Its like this. I never made this post to argue.. I put 'Be respectful with your opinions' but what happened? I Got flamed. Wow, An Opinion is not vailid unless its what you want it to be?
Welcome to Gamespot. You'll run into a lot of those lol
But I get what you're saying. This game won't be what the over hype makes it out to be. Correct?
As for the features you're typing about as I've skimmed through this thread, I think it just falls under personal opinion. Some people like certain features like Co-op and others don't care for them. Yes it will drive some people away, but not all of them. I personally don't care too much for co-op cause most of the people I know aren't gamers anyways (unless it's Tetris on a DS lol) so I would solely rely on online for multiplayer or bots (if included) if I don't want people yapping in my ear and play by myself. Either way, it doesn't have to be a flame war.
Thanks. Someone who is in their right mind today... yeah, I don't care for Co-Op or Offline Multiplayer, But people will and that can make a game flop, Or people won't want it because they might not even have Online who know's.. I think a lot of people thought I cared about Co-Op etc, And I was flaming the game for not having it, Which is wrong. And yes, the game will be good and I'll probably enjoy it, Like I did with GTA IV, Because of one reason.. I was never caught in the hype.. But those who are, They'll have so much desire for the game, And such high expectations, That when the game comes out and its not really what they thought it was, They won't like it.. Thats a fact.
oh my god. Co-Op is not my problem, I've already said that in previous posts... My problem is, It will sway people away from it because of not having it, Plus I heard there is no offline multiplayer that will also sway people away from it... read the first post.
So, NOT having offline multiplayer is your problem and not having Co-Op isnt. Personally, when looking at other shooters without either I still see that they sold well. I don't believe that today that would cause a person not to buy a game. While COD4 had offline multiplayer, I can only attest to playing it once, of all the other countless hours logged, it was all on online/single player (mostly online). I don't believe people today refrain from buying games because they are missing offline multiplayer, as an engrossing online experience would make that obsolete...
Wrong. Read again, And then you will understand. Or just read my recent post reply to denji
co-op is one of the greatest features an FPS can have, anyone stating that it's something poor to add to a game and "welcome to 2009, play online, not with friends in the same room" must really be a retarded fanboy or have no friends at all to actually enjoy an off-line co-op session. playing co-op with buddies is probably the most fun I've ever had with any game...but then again I guess most of you don't have friends and wouldn't know, from the looks of your responses of "no need for co-op, play online".
i respect your opinion and im agree that some ppl think they work at guerrilla games, guess what, its rare to see a game fill all the expectations of a gamer, you will always hear this, "yeah great story, online. etc. BUT it didnt have this or that" we are demanding more and more from the devs and games because we arent paying $20 or $40, its $60 or $80 in my case that i have to import games. it would be good to share some opinions and leave the hype for the fanboys, yeah im excited about Killzone2, why? its a shooter, the devs made a shooter if im right, they didnt make a platformer, since i can have nice graphics, good gameplay and fun, things like vehicles or co-op(if it had it) are a gift from guerrilla games
[QUOTE="stygiansanity"]co-op is one of the greatest features an FPS can have, anyone stating that it's something poor to add to a game and "welcome to 2009, play online, not with friends in the same room" must really be a retarded fanboy or have no friends at all to actually enjoy an off-line co-op session. playing co-op with buddies is probably the most fun I've ever had with any game...but then again I guess most of you don't have friends and wouldn't know, from the looks of your responses of "no need for co-op, play online". MY HERO Lmao. Im not saying I would be lost without Co-Op, But I know alot of people who enjoy playing with friends or playing against eachother with friends OFFLINE, And I do from time to time, Infact, I do when I play with my nephew on friday nights or friends or whatever.. Its a social thing that these flamers on here can't understand as there only friends exist on PSN.
[QUOTE="TIGERLIONX"]i respect your opinion and im agree that some ppl think they work at guerrilla games, guess what, its rare to see a game fill all the expectations of a gamer, you will always hear this, "yeah great story, online. etc. BUT it didnt have this or that" we are demanding more and more from the devs and games because we arent paying $20 or $40, its $60 or $80 in my case that i have to import games. it would be good to share some opinions and leave the hype for the fanboys, yeah im excited about Killzone2, why? its a shooter, the devs made a shooter if im right, they didnt make a platformer, since i can have nice graphics, good gameplay and fun, things like vehicles or co-op(if it had it) are a gift from guerrilla games Im quoting alot.. Lmao, Yeah. Thats the point, People demand so much and expect so much because of what they are paying, That when they get the game they think is perfect and play it, They realize its not perfect. If you just accept that its going to be great, Not perfect because nothing is, Then you will enjoy it a whole lot..
[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="stygiansanity"]co-op is one of the greatest features an FPS can have, anyone stating that it's something poor to add to a game and "welcome to 2009, play online, not with friends in the same room" must really be a retarded fanboy or have no friends at all to actually enjoy an off-line co-op session. playing co-op with buddies is probably the most fun I've ever had with any game...but then again I guess most of you don't have friends and wouldn't know, from the looks of your responses of "no need for co-op, play online". MY HERO Lmao. Im not saying I would be lost without Co-Op, But I know alot of people who enjoy playing with friends or playing against eachother with friends OFFLINE, And I do from time to time, Infact, I do when I play with my nephew on friday nights or friends or whatever.. Its a social thing that these flamers on here can't understand as there only friends exist on PSN. completely agree. co-op is one of the must-have features on most games I buy now. Except for HL which is a classic series, I can't see myself dishing out $60 to play a game alone...co-op =/= online DM or TDM, and if you're looking for TDM there are better games for that *cough*TF2*cough*
Wrong. Read again, And then you will understand. Or just read my recent post reply to denjiTheProdigyIV
I did read, just as I responded to what you wrote. What you state is an opinion, not a fact. You state that Killzone 2 will flop because it is not going to sell as many copies due to people getting turned away because it is missing certain features. While people may indeed not buy it because of this reason, I highly doubt that it will be a significant enough number to make this game flop. Hype may make people not appreciate the end product as much due to them having high expectations, but a game of this caliber will not go under the radar of many people, especially those who own a ps3. This game has caused much talk, graphics, gameplay whatever, its still talk and people know about it. If this game flops it will not be because of what you state.
COD4 no coop = GOTY... MGS4 no coop = GOTY....but im not talking about GOTYs..im talking about high rated gamesIpik_Fenris
Don't you ever bring MGS4 into a Killzone 2 thread again. Thats the law from now. Seriously, MGS4 really does not need Co-Op its not the type of Arcade type shooter Killzone 2 is(Dispute that), MGS4 was legendary from day one. COD4 also, Was only game of the year because IMO it was a dull year, COD4 is a noob game also.. So alot of noobs buy it for the Noob friendly online! But yeah, CO-OP is a social thing, If you can't play with friends at home.. Alot of Casuals will not want it.. FACT
[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"]Wrong. Read again, And then you will understand. Or just read my recent post reply to denjiGroove60
I did read, just as I responded to what you wrote. What you state is an opinion, not a fact. You state that Killzone 2 will flop because it is not going to sell as many copies due to people getting turned away because it is missing certain features. While people may indeed not buy it because of this reason, I highly doubt that it will be a significant enough number to make this game flop. Hype may make people not appreciate the end product as much due to them having high expectations, but a game of this caliber will not go under the radar of many people, especially those who own a ps3. This game has caused much talk, graphics, gameplay whatever, its still talk and people know about it. If this game flops it will not be because of what you state. Can I ask Have you beta tested the game?
Whether it's awesome or a flop, no one truly knows until the game is released! let's just hope that it will truly be great and exceed our expectations, fpr the benefit of PS3 owners!
Whether it's awesome or a flop, no one truly knows until the game is released! let's just hope that it will truly be great and exceed our expectations, fpr the benefit of PS3 owners!taplok
[QUOTE="GatCloudX"]halo 3 is fail it looks so damn cartoony seriously why would you rebuy another xbox? youre rewarding microsoft for theyre epic failure. For every xbox you buy they get more money and boast about high sales when most of it is people rebuying xbox 360! with all those 360s you rebought you could have gotten a virtually flawless ps3 PSN ID: GatCloudX and yet he still thinks the xbox's games are worth it. hurts that many people disagree with how you feel regarding the x360, doesn't it?
[QUOTE="Groove60"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"]Wrong. Read again, And then you will understand. Or just read my recent post reply to denjiTheProdigyIV
I did read, just as I responded to what you wrote. What you state is an opinion, not a fact. You state that Killzone 2 will flop because it is not going to sell as many copies due to people getting turned away because it is missing certain features. While people may indeed not buy it because of this reason, I highly doubt that it will be a significant enough number to make this game flop. Hype may make people not appreciate the end product as much due to them having high expectations, but a game of this caliber will not go under the radar of many people, especially those who own a ps3. This game has caused much talk, graphics, gameplay whatever, its still talk and people know about it. If this game flops it will not be because of what you state. Can I ask Have you beta tested the game? No, can I ask what that has to do with anything?
[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="Groove60"] I did read, just as I responded to what you wrote. What you state is an opinion, not a fact. You state that Killzone 2 will flop because it is not going to sell as many copies due to people getting turned away because it is missing certain features. While people may indeed not buy it because of this reason, I highly doubt that it will be a significant enough number to make this game flop. Hype may make people not appreciate the end product as much due to them having high expectations, but a game of this caliber will not go under the radar of many people, especially those who own a ps3. This game has caused much talk, graphics, gameplay whatever, its still talk and people know about it. If this game flops it will not be because of what you state.Groove60
Can I ask Have you beta tested the game? No, can I ask what that has to do with anything? You have not Beta Tested the game, Yet you seem to throw so called facts at me, That the game will be great. How do you know it will be? I don't know if it will flop or if it will be worst game ever, But im just stating a Prediction or Opinion, You seem to be telling me what previews say.. you can't judge so stop talking.
[QUOTE="winner-ps3"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"] oh my god. Co-Op is not my problem, I've already said that in previous posts... My problem is, It will sway people away from it because of not having it, Plus I heard there is no offline multiplayer that will also sway people away from it... read the first post.TheProdigyIV
not having do-op will NOT sway people away from this game (cod4 no co-op) Valid point, But yes, It will. Some people will not buy it because of No-Coop, I Could QUOTE People on here who said they won't because of no Co-Op. Also, Why does the game only have to be good online? They should remove the story and make it online only.. thats all you all seem to care about.
The Campaign is still a vital part of the game, but much more time will be spent online
[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="winner-ps3"] not having do-op will NOT sway people away from this game (cod4 no co-op) thelastguy
Valid point, But yes, It will. Some people will not buy it because of No-Coop, I Could QUOTE People on here who said they won't because of no Co-Op. Also, Why does the game only have to be good online? They should remove the story and make it online only.. thats all you all seem to care about.
The Campaign is still a vital part of the game, but much more time will be spent online
yeah, but the campaign/story will be slept on.. I bet people will just go straight to online and not even play the campaign..
[QUOTE="thelastguy"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"] Valid point, But yes, It will. Some people will not buy it because of No-Coop, I Could QUOTE People on here who said they won't because of no Co-Op. Also, Why does the game only have to be good online? They should remove the story and make it online only.. thats all you all seem to care about.TheProdigyIV
The Campaign is still a vital part of the game, but much more time will be spent online
yeah, but the campaign/story will be slept on.. I bet people will just go straight to online and not even play the campaign..
Yes, but there is also a social aspect to online multiplayer as well. Most people want to play with their friends.
[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"]You have not Beta Tested the game, Yet you seem to throw so called facts at me, That the game will be great. How do you know it will be? I don't know if it will flop or if it will be worst game ever, But im just stating a Prediction or Opinion, You seem to be telling me what previews say.. you can't judge so stop talking. Have you beta tested the game? Don't give me an answer, because whether you have or haven't it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion here. When have I said Killzone will be great? I have said nothing of the sort. Just as i have said nothing about the previews. So now you don't know if it will flop, why is your topic about it already starting to flop?
[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]Yes, 8/10........... all because of no co-op :roll: Yes, controls are fully customizable. Pretty much anyone who knows **** about the PS3 knows of this game... so it will sell a lot. campzor
i have to agree with the offline multiplayer thing, i used to have a lot of fun kicking my friends butts, but it seems that devs are forgetting about its roots, when "hey its 2009, we have online" didnt exist. but like i said, there arent someone pointing a gun at the devs heads claiming do this ad that, they are the devs and they have that work for a reason.
I already have a feeling the SP of the game will fail. It just doesn't interest me at all. All I'm looking at is the MP it looks intense and looks to be a lot of fun.
[QUOTE="thelastguy"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"] Valid point, But yes, It will. Some people will not buy it because of No-Coop, I Could QUOTE People on here who said they won't because of no Co-Op. Also, Why does the game only have to be good online? They should remove the story and make it online only.. thats all you all seem to care about.TheProdigyIV
The Campaign is still a vital part of the game, but much more time will be spent online
yeah, but the campaign/story will be slept on.. I bet people will just go straight to online and not even play the campaign.. Well no casual gamer is gonna go straight to online, and from previews and people who have gotten the review code, the story is solid and multiplayer is solid. Thats all i want from this game, I already know it will have the visuals and the sound, but if it can deliver a good story and solid online play your looking at a hit. And hype has the potential to ruin this game. But thats if you get caught in it. I'm not hyping this game as the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I do think it will be fun to play. And thats about it.
[QUOTE="Groove60"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"]You have not Beta Tested the game, Yet you seem to throw so called facts at me, That the game will be great. How do you know it will be? I don't know if it will flop or if it will be worst game ever, But im just stating a Prediction or Opinion, You seem to be telling me what previews say.. you can't judge so stop talking. Have you beta tested the game? Don't give me an answer, because whether you have or haven't it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion here. When have I said Killzone will be great? I have said nothing of the sort. Just as i have said nothing about the previews. So now you don't know if it will flop, why is your topic about it already starting to flop? 'I don't believe people today refrain from buying games because they are missing offline multiplayer, as an engrossing online experience would make that obsolete...' So first off, you say the game will be an Engrossing online experience, That is basically what you are saying right? Next, You do all you can to argue, And now your saying you don't think it will be great? 'When have I said Killzone will be great?' So to cap it all off, You don't know or don't think it will be great, And you are not taking any of the previews and putting them and their details into your argument, So what is the point you try to make? You either think it will be good, Or don't think it will be good. You don't seem to think it will be anything, So you need to stop talking. Also, I don't know if the game will flop after lets say a week after release, Im saying it is starting to flop with gamers not happy about things that are not in the game, And thats BEFORE Its released, So I dread to think of there complaints after its release. You get it now? Stop talking.
cod 4 had no co-op and look how that turned out i dont care about co-op killzone 2 however have bots to fight which is entertaining for those who dont have online anyways no co-op isnt a big deal we cant say it flopped till its out
I already have a feeling the SP of the game will fail. It just doesn't interest me at all. All I'm looking at is the MP it looks intense and looks to be a lot of fun.Childeater10
If the online is the only good part, This game is nothing. COD4 was a great online and great story, PLUS it had offline multiplayer, So now COD4 is better? This gets better and better! A game to be a 10/10 or a great game, Or a game with this type of hype, MUST have a good story and online, If not the hype is wrong, Which i've stated, And also I repeat, If the online is the only good part of the game, That my friend is a FLOP.
[QUOTE="Childeater10"]I already have a feeling the SP of the game will fail. It just doesn't interest me at all. All I'm looking at is the MP it looks intense and looks to be a lot of fun.TheProdigyIV
If the online is the only good part, This game is nothing. COD4 was a great online and great story, PLUS it had offline multiplayer, So now COD4 is better? This gets better and better! A game to be a 10/10 or a great game, Or a game with this type of hype, MUST have a good story and online, If not the hype is wrong, Which i've stated, And also I repeat, If the online is the only good part of the game, That my friend is a FLOP.
There is no need to attack him. It is his opinion on whether he likes the single player or not, not the general consensus. If he wants to just play the multiplayer, then so be it.
[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="Groove60"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"]You have not Beta Tested the game, Yet you seem to throw so called facts at me, That the game will be great. How do you know it will be? I don't know if it will flop or if it will be worst game ever, But im just stating a Prediction or Opinion, You seem to be telling me what previews say.. you can't judge so stop talking. Have you beta tested the game? Don't give me an answer, because whether you have or haven't it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion here. When have I said Killzone will be great? I have said nothing of the sort. Just as i have said nothing about the previews. So now you don't know if it will flop, why is your topic about it already starting to flop? 'I don't believe people today refrain from buying games because they are missing offline multiplayer, as an engrossing online experience would make that obsolete...' So first off, you say the game will be an Engrossing online experience, That is basically what you are saying right? Next, You do all you can to argue, And now your saying you don't think it will be great? 'When have I said Killzone will be great?' So to cap it all off, You don't know or don't think it will be great, And you are not taking any of the previews and putting them and their details into your argument, So what is the point you try to make? You either think it will be good, Or don't think it will be good. You don't seem to think it will be anything, So you need to stop talking. Also, I don't know if the game will flop after lets say a week after release, Im saying it is starting to flop with gamers not happy about things that are not in the game, And thats BEFORE Its released, So I dread to think of there complaints after its release. You get it now? Stop talking. The only thing I am getting is that you have come up with the "fact" that this game is starting (but maybe not in the end) flop because it is not catering to casual gamers as it is missing offline features that you could enjoy with local players. So far, I have said nothing about the quality of the game whatsoever, I have not quoted previews or have put any false information in anything I have posted here. I find it hard to believe that this game will flop due to it missing offline features. I have stated that twice now, that's my opinion. Whether you want to keep posting that I am saying that this will be the best game ever is up to you, but you are arguing with points that are either false claims or that have nothing to do with this discussion.
Post Failed: A lot of Reviews have already given it a 10/10.Diddies
Really other than the PSM, who else?
[QUOTE="Childeater10"]I already have a feeling the SP of the game will fail. It just doesn't interest me at all. All I'm looking at is the MP it looks intense and looks to be a lot of fun.TheProdigyIV
If the online is the only good part, This game is nothing. COD4 was a great online and great story, PLUS it had offline multiplayer, So now COD4 is better? This gets better and better! A game to be a 10/10 or a great game, Or a game with this type of hype, MUST have a good story and online, If not the hype is wrong, Which i've stated, And also I repeat, If the online is the only good part of the game, That my friend is a FLOP. So you quote one guy and essentially tell him his opinions are invalid, because they are opinions, and then you quote another guys opinion and talk about them as fact, because it coincides with your point of view. Hipocrit ... if you don't like the game fine, your opinion, it has no effect on me. If the game turns out to be great, and a lot of fun your loss, if the game doesn't ... not exactly your win, more so everyone elses loss, considering the view point of everyone who's gotten the review build, I highly doubt that the game will flop. Some might not find it fun, but I'm sure most will. As long as I have fun with it, I'm happy.
[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="Diddies"]Post Failed: A lot of Reviews have already given it a 10/10.thelastguy
So? They gave GTA IV 10/10, Did you think that game was amazing? I think not.
What is your defintion of a flop then? The game had phenominal reviews and unmatched sales.
Sales does not mean the game is good, Neither does reviews... IGN Is the worst website for reviews, And Gamespot is pathetic, I only use this site for the forums. GTA IV got 10/10 because of The City and its Detail, The game itself, Like the Story and Online was boring. 10/10 I think not, And so many people argued 1010 was not right, And it wasnt.. Also, Wasn't it OPM Who gave it a 10/10? Lol.. They will give a Sony Exclusive with so much hype 10/10, If they gave it a 8 or 9 they would be shot.
[QUOTE="Diddies"] Really other than the PSM, who else? [QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="Childeater10"]I already have a feeling the SP of the game will fail. It just doesn't interest me at all. All I'm looking at is the MP it looks intense and looks to be a lot of fun.navstar29
If the online is the only good part, This game is nothing. I've never said anything as a fact, I've said it in a way of 'This is my opinion'. But what is a fact, If a Game has a Campaign and Online, And the online is the only good part of the game, And the story is average, And it receives 10/10's... Thats not just wrong, But thats a FLOP, FACT! K2 should have a great story, And a good solid online as a bonus, Not the other way round, So shut up. COD4 was a great online and great story, PLUS it had offline multiplayer, So now COD4 is better? This gets better and better! A game to be a 10/10 or a great game, Or a game with this type of hype, MUST have a good story and online, If not the hype is wrong, Which i've stated, And also I repeat, If the online is the only good part of the game, That my friend is a FLOP. So you quote one guy and essentially tell him his opinions are invalid, because they are opinions, and then you quote another guys opinion and talk about them as fact, because it coincides with your point of view. Hipocrit ... if you don't like the game fine, your opinion, it has no effect on me. If the game turns out to be great, and a lot of fun your loss, if the game doesn't ... not exactly your win, more so everyone elses loss, considering the view point of everyone who's gotten the review build, I highly doubt that the game will flop. Some might not find it fun, but I'm sure most will. As long as I have fun with it, I'm happy.
No. Most of what i've said is opinion, But the fact I said was the following :
If a Game is only good online, Its a Flop. If a Game is only good online and gets 10/10's from reviewers, Its a over hyped and wrongly hyped.. FLOP! FACT.
[QUOTE="Diddies"]Post Failed: A lot of Reviews have already given it a 10/10.TheProdigyIV
So? They gave GTA IV 10/10, Did you think that game was amazing? I think not.
Well you can argue it like this: MGS4 got a 10/10 and it was amazing. So you don't know, This could be amazing. And yes GTA was amazing to me. I was one of the people who researched it and knew exactly what to expect out of it. If GTA wasn't amazing then it wouldn't have won numberous game of the year awards. I knew there wouldn't be planes, jet packs, etc. but there was a lot of stuff that was added that made the game great. Like people grabbing on to to your car after you steal it and smashing their head like a watermelon on another car. Now in my opinion that is amazing.
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