Killzone 2 Is Already Starting To Flop

[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="Diddies"]

Yea but most people will buy GTA becuase of previous GTAs. And this GTA was good in my opinion. This game made you closer to the character than any other GTA game. Yes it lacked some airplanes and stuff but if it had airplanes, it would have been a good game to most people. You can't say that GTA was garbage. It wasn't. It might have not been as good as the other in your opinion but it was terrible.

Diddies

What are you talking about. The character detail was average. The city was good like you said though.

[QUOTE="Diddies"][QUOTE="Groove60"] Whether a game flops or not is due to sales, I am sure that everyone enjoys a game that may have not been as popular and may have been labeled as a flop but they still think it is a good game. To say GTA4 is a flop is absurd, it sold millions. You can't say GTA4 is a flop due to you not enjoying the game personally just as the TC has been doing.Groove60

You finally come to the sense of what I was trying to get out of you. You finally got it. And i didn't say GTA was a flop. I have been sticking up for GTA. I loved it.

I have been playing it like crazy recently because I am trying to get trophies. I'll admit this tough. I didn't like it almost the first hour of the game. But I'm on my 3rd now to get trophies and I love it.

[QUOTE="Groove60"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"] So now you are saying im the only one who did not enjoy the game? Dude.. Everybody traded the GTA games in like 4 days after buying it, JUST READ ONLINE About HOW MANY people hate the game. Casual gamers probably love it, And they make up for the sales. A Flop is not sales, Its about quality.TheProdigyIV

[QUOTE="Diddies"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"] Look, I respect that. But, The only reason GTA IV got 10's was because of the Graphic Detail of the City, And the Physics. That alone would make the game a 3.0. If it had Average Graphics, And Physics, It would of been a 7. That is the truth, Hate it or love it.TheProdigyIV

What are you talking about. The character detail was average. The city was good like you said though.

WOW!!!! Graphics and getting to feel one with the character is totally different. How do you not understand that.

[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="Groove60"] My copy is still downstairs, none of my friends have traded their copies in, and even better, under their names on the XMB sometimes I see that they are playing it still. But if you think it flopped because it is a bad game, then maybe it is FOR YOU. For many others it is a great game.Diddies

It's funny you havnt argued with me in a long time. Because I dominated you. Well SR2 wasn't that good to me. It was more of an arcade game to me. You hit cars and they go flying.

[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="Diddies"]

What are you talking about. The character detail was average. The city was good like you said though.

Diddies

WOW!!!! Graphics and getting to feel one with the character is totally different. How do you not understand that.

[QUOTE="Groove60"][QUOTE="Diddies"]

You finally come to the sense of what I was trying to get out of you. You finally got it. And i didn't say GTA was a flop. I have been sticking up for GTA. I loved it.

Diddies

I have been playing it like crazy recently because I am trying to get trophies. I'll admit this tough. I didn't like it almost the first hour of the game. But I'm on my 3rd now to get trophies and I love it.

[QUOTE="Diddies"]

[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"] Everyone, Is a way of saying, Most people I knew and people online. You are just nit picking and finding ways to finish this argument because you know I am right. You don't play GTA IV do you? You are bored of it. 10/10 has to be special, GTA wasnt. SR2 was even better. And no not just FOR ME, For the MAJORITY of people. TheProdigyIV

It's funny you havnt argued with me in a long time. Because I dominated you. Well SR2 wasn't that good to me. It was more of an arcade game to me. You hit cars and they go flying.

I have dominated you. You personally said I contradicted everyone of your statements. So that means I dominated you. And like I said, pathetic little man. If you really want to see me then just ask me mfore my myspace.

[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="Groove60"] My copy is still downstairs, none of my friends have traded their copies in, and even better, under their names on the XMB sometimes I see that they are playing it still. But if you think it flopped because it is a bad game, then maybe it is FOR YOU. For many others it is a great game.Groove60

1. Majority of the people hate GTA IV, I'll do a poll lmao.

2. I said, 10/10 Has to be special, GTA IV wasn't special, So it didn't deserve its perfect scores, Like you said its Opinion.. So your basically saying its a fact that GTA IV was 10/10 when you stress to me its all opinion?(Another one of your contradictions)

3. Stop talking

[QUOTE="Diddies"][QUOTE="Groove60"] I know you didn't call it a flop, I tried to generalize what I was saying. I meant for someone to call it a flop because of them not enjoying it personally is incorrect. I also enjoyed the game and haven't returned it. I still do play it from time to time, but lately I have been busy with other games.Groove60

I have been playing it like crazy recently because I am trying to get trophies. I'll admit this tough. I didn't like it almost the first hour of the game. But I'm on my 3rd now to get trophies and I love it.

[QUOTE="Groove60"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"] Everyone, Is a way of saying, Most people I knew and people online. You are just nit picking and finding ways to finish this argument because you know I am right. You don't play GTA IV do you? You are bored of it. 10/10 has to be special, GTA wasnt. SR2 was even better. And no not just FOR ME, For the MAJORITY of people. TheProdigyIV

1. Majority of the people hate GTA IV, I'll do a poll lmao.

2. I said, 10/10 Has to be special, GTA IV wasn't special, So it didn't deserve its perfect scores, Like you said its Opinion.. So your basically saying its a fact that GTA IV was 10/10 when you stress to me its all opinion?(Another one of your contradictions)

3. Stop talking

[QUOTE="Groove60"][QUOTE="Diddies"]

I have been playing it like crazy recently because I am trying to get trophies. I'll admit this tough. I didn't like it almost the first hour of the game. But I'm on my 3rd now to get trophies and I love it.

Diddies

[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"]

[QUOTE="Groove60"] You are saying because it got a 10/10 it has to be special, obviously reviews make a game good but not in this case? I haven't played Saints Row so I wouldn't know how it is, but to say one is better than the other is pure opinion. Finish this argument? This really hasn't been an argument, more like you saying some fact how thousands of people hating GTA4 totally nullifies the millions that bought and enjoyed it then telling me to stop talking :PGroove60

1. Majority of the people hate GTA IV, I'll do a poll lmao.

2. I said, 10/10 Has to be special, GTA IV wasn't special, So it didn't deserve its perfect scores, Like you said its Opinion.. So your basically saying its a fact that GTA IV was 10/10 when you stress to me its all opinion?(Another one of your contradictions)

3. Stop talking

[QUOTE="Groove60"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"]

1. Majority of the people hate GTA IV, I'll do a poll lmao.

2. I said, 10/10 Has to be special, GTA IV wasn't special, So it didn't deserve its perfect scores, Like you said its Opinion.. So your basically saying its a fact that GTA IV was 10/10 when you stress to me its all opinion?(Another one of your contradictions)

3. Stop talking

TheProdigyIV

This topic is laughable

[QUOTE="Diddies"][QUOTE="Groove60"] I really don't care much for trophies, however I may have to go back and get a few (it does feel rewarding hearing that ding) :P I thought the beginning dragged on, but once you left the first part of the city I thought everything flowed great after that.Groove60

[QUOTE="Groove60"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"]

1. Majority of the people hate GTA IV, I'll do a poll lmao.

2. I said, 10/10 Has to be special, GTA IV wasn't special, So it didn't deserve its perfect scores, Like you said its Opinion.. So your basically saying its a fact that GTA IV was 10/10 when you stress to me its all opinion?(Another one of your contradictions)

3. Stop talking

TheProdigyIV

[QUOTE="Groove60"][QUOTE="Diddies"] Yea I'm going back and getting all my trophies for all my games and I'm done with Uncharted (got the Platinum). Working on GTA now and Then movie to Fallout 3. Then other later.Diddies

[QUOTE="Diddies"][QUOTE="Groove60"] I got the Uncharted platinum the day after trophies came out and haven't really tried since. I guess it was because I enjoyed it so much, and I got all of the medals in the game. Seeing as most of the medals were trophies, I knew I could manage. BTW, how is fallout? I enjoyed Oblivion, how do you think it compares?Groove60

[...]Most of the sales come from Casual gamers[...]TheProdigyIV

[QUOTE="Groove60"][QUOTE="Diddies"] It is a good game no doubt and don't believe all the poeple saying it is buggy because it really isn't. Also compared to Oblivion I didn't like it as much, but it is a great game. There isn't near as much missions to do as Oblivion. The environment isn't as big to me, but still massive. The shooting is awesome using the VAT to blow peoples legs off. But it seems there isn't as much customization as Oblivion though. But if you loved Oblivion, I think you will love Fallout 3.Diddies

Yea being able to go back and do stuff you did'nt get around to doing in Oblivion was great, Why Fallout 3 did'nt have this is beyond me.

Easiest way to create a populated thread: just use "omfgz (insert highly hyped unreleased game here) is going to do so bad the world is going to ezzplode!!!" as the title.

Why haven't people understood yet that those who starts these thread just wants attention and they have nothing to back up their pathetic claims.

Guess what, I don't know if killzone 2 is going to be massively successful, but I sure know which game won't sell well in that month, and thats...guitar hero!!!

Seriously, even under the standards of the language of the internet message boards, a 'flop' only happens when the game is out and doesn't do as well as its hyped to be. A game can only be a flop or not a flop, so how the hell is killzone 2 'starting' to flop?

lol @ offline multiplayer We have online. Welcome to 2009 CJ37

Who needs Co-Op ? We can play online

Welcome to 2009

co-op is one of the greatest features an FPS can have, anyone stating that it's something poor to add to a game and "welcome to 2009, play online, not with friends in the same room" must really be a retarded fanboy or have no friends at all to actually enjoy an off-line co-op session. playing co-op with buddies is probably the most fun I've ever had with any game...but then again I guess most of you don't have friends and wouldn't know, from the looks of your responses of "no need for co-op, play online".stygiansanity

[QUOTE="Knivez0r"]Games that dont need co-op shouldnt have co-op. Why force something that is un needed and doesnt fit into the storyline? Stop crying, and design your own game.wooooode

[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="Groove60"] Yes, poll and get those thousands of people that hate to back you up, it makes no difference that it sold. You think GTA wasn't special, that doesn't mean it flopped (which is what this entire thread is supposed to be about) it sold, many enjoyed it, and it made lots of profit. It was a success and did not flop. I guess I have to stop talking... ^__^Diddies

There is my point, You think a game is a flop because of sales, To devs it is, But not to gamers. And your not a dev, So GTA IV wasnt good, So its a flop.

End of. I win you lose.

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Easiest way to create a populated thread: just use "omfgz (insert highly hyped unreleased game here) is going to do so bad the world is going to ezzplode!!!" as the title.

Why haven't people understood yet that those who starts these thread just wants attention and they have nothing to back up their pathetic claims.

Guess what, I don't know if killzone 2 is going to be massively successful, but I sure know which game won't sell well in that month, and thats...guitar hero!!!

Seriously, even under the standards of the language of the internet message boards, a 'flop' only happens when the game is out and doesn't do as well as its hyped to be. A game can only be a flop or not a flop, so how the hell is killzone 2 'starting' to flop?

TheProdigyIV

I'm not going to attempt to find out how old you are, but judging the way you reply to other's posts makes you look really childish. And hype doesn't kill a game, the sales and lousy critics do. And actually I did listen to you and re-read you original post, but somehow asking people to respond constructively to your question which doesn't really make sense to begin with is just asking for it.

[QUOTE="Diddies"][QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"] lol it could of sold 10 copies, and been an amazing game. would that mean its a flop? just shut up you know nothing about anything. Flop isnt about sales. now theres my little Mirrors Edge lover, Shut up.TheProdigyIV

There is my point, You think a game is a flop because of sales, To devs it is, But not to gamers. And your not a dev, So GTA IV wasnt good, So its a flop.

End of. I win you lose.

[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"][QUOTE="Diddies"] A game flops if it didn't sell. You have it backwards. Wow your are being idiotic.Diddies

There is my point, You think a game is a flop because of sales, To devs it is, But not to gamers. And your not a dev, So GTA IV wasnt good, So its a flop.

End of. I win you lose.

flop [flop]

intransitive verb (past and past participle flopped, present participle flop·ping, 3rd person present singular flops)

1. sit or lie down heavily: to sit or lie down heavily by relaxing the muscles and letting the body fall

2. move limply: to move limply or heavily

3. fail completely: to be completely unsuccessful (informal)

noun (plural flops)

1. total failure: a complete failure (informal)

2. heavy dull sound: the sound made by something falling heavily

*To make things clear, that's the definition of flop... so a game that sold millions is definitely not a flop. (ok, primarily for the developers as some says...) As a gamer, you can't rule out a flop with just your opinion... maybe you and some other people just didn't like it, so it's dissapointment on your part is a better term... and some of the people among those millions who purchased it actually think that it's indeed a great game... so, it's really not possible to call it a flop anywhere you look at it... unless the game was designed only for you, that's the only time you can say for yourself that it is a flop.

Last month, All I read on here is people saying 'OMG BEST GAME EVER, IT WILL BE I PROMISE OMG' Right... So they haven't actually played the beta (lawl) And now more and more info has been released like no Co-Op? And other details.. And Im seeing people saying 'I wont buy this because of this and that' And people saying it will get around an 8/10..

This game will be good.... But hype will kill it like GTA IV.. Don't get caught and you will probably enjoy it.. But how is it flopping? I Don't think casual gamers who happen to be the most usual people to buy games in stores and what not.. Most of the sales come from Casual gamers.. And i've got a little feeling this wont attract casual gamers.. Dispute that all you want but seriously. Also, I heard the aiming is a little like RSV2 where you have to click a button to aim then unclick to not aim? Is that right? And can it be changed in the controller settings or whatever? IF not then thats a fail.. But Im sure they will let you change it hopefully...

So anyway, Hype is killing this game, It will leave thousands dissapointed because they will expect SO much and then they will realize its not the Perfect game that was made by Superhumans who can do anything.

Leave respectful opinions.. And yes I do want this game to be good, Im just... You know!

TheProdigyIV

WTH? Why are there a gazillion posts about KZ2 all of a sudden?

What the hell people? Some of you are treating this game like the 2nd coming of Jesus! And others are treating it like the devil itself. While others say it's a flop because it doesn't have co-op? yes it's a flaw, but it won't duck 2 points from a game.

Now, refrain from forming ANY opinions before playing the game and don't freaking hype it to be the cure for all diseases.

WTH? Why are there a gazillion posts about KZ2 all of a sudden?

What the hell people? Some of you are treating this game like the 2nd coming of Jesus! And others are treating it like the devil itself. While others say it's a flop because it doesn't have co-op? yes it's a flaw, but it won't duck 2 points from a game.

Now, refrain from forming ANY opinions before playing the game and don't freaking hype it to be the cure for all diseases.

[QUOTE="rogerjak"]

WTH? Why are there a gazillion posts about KZ2 all of a sudden?

What the hell people? Some of you are treating this game like the 2nd coming of Jesus! And others are treating it like the devil itself. While others say it's a flop because it doesn't have co-op? yes it's a flaw, but it won't duck 2 points from a game.

Now, refrain from forming ANY opinions before playing the game and don't freaking hype it to be the cure for all diseases.

taplok

WTH? Why are there a gazillion posts about KZ2 all of a sudden?

What the hell people? Some of you are treating this game like the 2nd coming of Jesus! And others are treating it like the devil itself. While others say it's a flop because it doesn't have co-op? yes it's a flaw, but it won't duck 2 points from a game.

Now, refrain from forming ANY opinions before playing the game and don't freaking hype it to be the cure for all diseases.

Last month, All I read on here is people saying 'OMG BEST GAME EVER, IT WILL BE I PROMISE OMG' Right... So they haven't actually played the beta (lawl) And now more and more info has been released like no Co-Op? And other details.. And Im seeing people saying 'I wont buy this because of this and that' And people saying it will get around an 8/10..

This game will be good.... But hype will kill it like GTA IV.. Don't get caught and you will probably enjoy it.. But how is it flopping? I Don't think casual gamers who happen to be the most usual people to buy games in stores and what not.. Most of the sales come from Casual gamers.. And i've got a little feeling this wont attract casual gamers.. Dispute that all you want but seriously. Also, I heard the aiming is a little like RSV2 where you have to click a button to aim then unclick to not aim? Is that right? And can it be changed in the controller settings or whatever? IF not then thats a fail.. But Im sure they will let you change it hopefully...

So anyway, Hype is killing this game, It will leave thousands dissapointed because they will expect SO much and then they will realize its not the Perfect game that was made by Superhumans who can do anything.

Leave respectful opinions.. And yes I do want this game to be good, Im just... You know!

TheProdigyIV