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#1 jeffbase33
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Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

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Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

jeffbase33

Oh, didnt knew Christian people could play games at all:lol: (jk)

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#3 BenderUnit22
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Ugh... Pentagrams are used in Christian religion as well, a satanic meaning is only implied if it's upside down.
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What kind of christian are you? Orthodox, or just a regular guy?- I stopped following christianity (I live in Argentina where christianity is huge) when I realized that leading my life by old concepts was wrong. Yes, it has a good life manual, but Budhism and muslim also have good teachings, yet to mr Emperor (Ratzinger) they are wrong and should be eliminated. I cant follow a leader of a religion whose moto is "tolerance" being so anti-differences.

So, back to the topic, Persona 3 is not a satanist game, unless you are one of those who think that everything thats not I love jesus and sees Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings as Satans Spawn should be able to play it.

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Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

jeffbase33

Killing is a sin...so what games do you play? lol

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Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

jeffbase33
I'm a Christian and I would played the Diablo series in my top 10 all time
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lol, I have, and cleared the game. (made a review too) great game. I'm possesed, oooo, I will eat your flesh! lol :P I found it on the sane side, nothing violent or creepy.
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#8 jojothekid
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So, back to the topic, Persona 3 is not a satanist game, unless you are one of those who think that everything thats not I love jesus and sees Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings as Satans Spawn should be able to play it.

kenshinhimura16
thats funny i know someone who does think that about lord of the rings
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#9 fs_metal
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[QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

IllegalGamer

Killing is a sin...so what games do you play? lol

Murder is a sin. Don't get htem confused
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#10 kenshinhimura16
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[QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

aroxx_ab

Oh, didnt knew Christian people could play games at all:lol: (jk)

Actually, its a sin, as well as listening to 99% of current music, watching most of todays movies, or reading almost every book publicized till today. According to the orthodox side, taking a nap is a sin, and a capital sin. Eating a candy when you are not starbbing or hungry is also a sin-

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#11 fs_metal
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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

kenshinhimura16

Oh, didnt knew Christian people could play games at all:lol: (jk)

Actually, its a sin, as well as listening to 99% of current music, watching most of todays movies, or reading almost every book publicized till today. According to the orthodox side, taking a nap is a sin, and a capital sin. Eating a candy when you are not starbbing or hungry is also a sin-

No....just....no.
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[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

fs_metal

Oh, didnt knew Christian people could play games at all:lol: (jk)

Actually, its a sin, as well as listening to 99% of current music, watching most of todays movies, or reading almost every book publicized till today. According to the orthodox side, taking a nap is a sin, and a capital sin. Eating a candy when you are not starbbing or hungry is also a sin-

No....just....no.

Why? ask an orthodox.

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#13 aroxx_ab
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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

kenshinhimura16

Oh, didnt knew Christian people could play games at all:lol: (jk)

Actually, its a sin, as well as listening to 99% of current music, watching most of todays movies, or reading almost every book publicized till today. According to the orthodox side, taking a nap is a sin, and a capital sin. Eating a candy when you are not starbbing or hungry is also a sin-

Haha yeah i saw something like that on some weird program at TV once, was about a christian family and how the parents raised their kids. I am not that interested in religions so thought they maybe look differently on things.

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#14 kenshinhimura16
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lol, I have, and cleared the game. (made a review too) great game. I'm possesed, oooo, I will eat your flesh! lol :P I found it on the sane side, nothing violent or creepy.potterpipi

And the story is far from satanism, but you have to play it to know that, and I dont want to spoil anything. But the ending pretty much contradicts satanism

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[QUOTE="potterpipi"]lol, I have, and cleared the game. (made a review too) great game. I'm possesed, oooo, I will eat your flesh! lol :P I found it on the sane side, nothing violent or creepy.kenshinhimura16

And the story is far from satanism, but you have to play it to know that, and I dont want to spoil anything. But the ending pretty much contradicts satanism

If you were saying that to me... I already told you I have it and cleared it :P

If it was to the other guy, then yeah, true.

The game's most attractive pattern would be the character interaction and development, they make you care for the character's destination. (The title is self-explained, Persona, persona means person in spanish)

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If the truth so happened to be "yes" and someone told you about it, now you are held accountable for it. So if you play and you know you can go to hell for it than that was your choice.

On the contrary, if you had never asked this question, and didn't know whether or not you can go to hell for it, then I don't think you would held accountable for it whether or not you play it.

As for your question, anything that has something to do with executing immoral actions by your conscious will is a sin. But we're all sinners anyways.

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[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

fs_metal

Oh, didnt knew Christian people could play games at all:lol: (jk)

Actually, its a sin, as well as listening to 99% of current music, watching most of todays movies, or reading almost every book publicized till today. According to the orthodox side, taking a nap is a sin, and a capital sin. Eating a candy when you are not starbbing or hungry is also a sin-

No....just....no.

I am sorry, what form of Christianity are you talking about, because you are highly mistaken.

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#18 jeffbase33
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[QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

IllegalGamer

Killing is a sin...so what games do you play? lol

Actually Murder is the sin. It is ok to kill in self defense. Otherwise, God would have not helped the Israelites kick butt.

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Dude, its just a game.

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OH GOD DAMNIT.
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I see that you are a fellow Christian/Catholic like me... But if you think about it, you're being really paranoid.

Let's start with the gun to head thing. It's doesn't count as suicide, so it's NOT the sin of suicide.

Second: You are not summoning merely "demons" straight from hell.

Third: You fight these creatures called shadows. Seems to me that you're doing God a service in this game by defeating these demonic things. Without spoiling anything, you fight evil, and defend the good of the people.

Fourth: This game kicks arse.

Fifth: It's a game. Before, I held back in playing games such as God of War (due to the "place no gods before me, etc, etc") but I realized that God's not this guy who'll send you to hell because you're experiencing the religions of others. You don't have to believe in gods and stuff, but you can aknowledge that that faith is there and respect it.

Sixth: This game kicks arse.

Seventh: The game Diablo centers around defeating the demon Diablo. To show off my hatred for Satan, I beat Diablo a few times :D

Eighth: This game kicks arse.

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You are already going to Hell ...

Thought you knew.

Btw the star has to be upside down to be satanic, so it forms the goat.

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[QUOTE="IllegalGamer"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

fs_metal

Killing is a sin...so what games do you play? lol

Murder is a sin. Don't get htem confused

I'm sorry. I'm having a little trouble with the difference between murder and killing. I guess I'm one of those CRAZY new wave thinkers that believe taking a persons life is never justafied.

I haven't heard anything so stupid in my entire life. You win the award for the stupidest thing I have ever read on the internet, and that is A MIRACLE buddy.

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Dude, its just a game.

PSdual_wielder

I know, right? Now we're going to hear ignorant comments from both ends. >.>

(I'm not even going to read half the posts....)

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#25 Symphonycometh
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[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="IllegalGamer"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

AguFightingOxy

Killing is a sin...so what games do you play? lol

Murder is a sin. Don't get htem confused

I'm sorry. I'm having a little trouble with the difference between murder and killing. I guess I'm one of those CRAZY new wave thinkers that believe taking a persons life is never justafied.

I haven't heard anything so stupid in my entire life. You win the award for the stupidest thing I have ever read on the internet, and that is A MIRACLE buddy.

Okays....I just read this one....

That's optimism at it's best. I mean, if someone was pointing a gun at me and it was me or them....yeah. I call "justified".

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[QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

fs_metal

I'm a Christian and I would played the Diablo series in my top 10 all time

this

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what?
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I was posessed by Lucifer while I was playing Super Monkey Ball on the GameCube.

No joke. Super Monkey Ball is serious business. I won't go near that one again! From now on I only stick to Joust 1 (NOT 2(That one has a 78.965% chance for you to be banished to hell right then and there while your playing)!!!!!)

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well here in canada priests are marrying gay couples saying that if jesus were alive today he would agree that its the right thing to do. thus if priests can marry gays id think your pretty much safe to play a video game. plus its just a game, as long as you dont take any of the draker themes to heart or attempt to reenact any of the "evil" things you'll be okay.

on a side note what is "good" and what is "evil". its all subjective. basically youre point of view against mine, therfore i cant actually tell you what to do as while i see no actual issue with seeing murder on tv shows/video games you do(by the sounds of things). also we live in a completely different day and age, the bible was written when humans didn't know the things they do now. if something mysterious happened they just said it was an act of god or some other mystical being. because they didn't have the tools to investgate, nor the knowledge we have now. in the end its your decision.

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Dude, its just a game.

PSdual_wielder

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i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

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#31 kenshinhimura16
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[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

americahellyeah

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i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

You are one of my group dude. Anyone with a bit of knowledge would know that religions were used as tools of fear to control others.

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[QUOTE="IllegalGamer"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

jeffbase33

Killing is a sin...so what games do you play? lol

Actually Murder is the sin. It is ok to kill in self defense. Otherwise, God would have not helped the Israelites kick butt.

I do not think the Israelites "kick butt," the only reason the have their own country is because the UN felt bad for the Jewish population after the Holocaust and decided to give them a homeland surrounded by Islamic countries...
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I dont know, but I certainly hope you do for being so damn ignorant.
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Ugh... Pentagrams are used in Christian religion as well, a satanic meaning is only implied if it's upside down.BenderUnit22

WRONG! Pentagrams are always demonic upside or downside. Dont even give your opinion if you dont even know what your talking about. And if any Christians use it, rest assured they are corrupt. By the way, my Christian friend, I dont play Shin Megami Tensei games at all because of the reasons you listed. But thats my personal choice. You can play it if you want and not suffer any consequences. Just be cautius.

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#35 jeffbase33
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[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

americahellyeah

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i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

Bull butter. Satan does exist and I've had plenty of supernatural experiences to know it for sure.

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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

kenshinhimura16

Oh, didnt knew Christian people could play games at all:lol: (jk)

Actually, its a sin, as well as listening to 99% of current music, watching most of todays movies, or reading almost every book publicized till today. According to the orthodox side, taking a nap is a sin, and a capital sin. Eating a candy when you are not starbbing or hungry is also a sin-

Dude, what world do you live in? This is not Islam dude!!

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#37 americahellyeah
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[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

jeffbase33

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i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

Bull butter. Satan does exist and I've had plenty of supernatural experiences to know it for sure.

here is factual, complete proof that satan does not exist. i've read the book and its conclusive and doesn't leave out anything.

Satan isn't real.. proof!

and playing Persona 3 should be the least of anyone worries.

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[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

kenshinhimura16

Oh, didnt knew Christian people could play games at all:lol: (jk)

Actually, its a sin, as well as listening to 99% of current music, watching most of todays movies, or reading almost every book publicized till today. According to the orthodox side, taking a nap is a sin, and a capital sin. Eating a candy when you are not starbbing or hungry is also a sin-

No....just....no.

Why? ask an orthodox.

I used to be Christian Orthodox. No you are wrong for sure.

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Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

jeffbase33

You're missing out on diablo. And wtf.

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#41 1uP_OnYou
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Im Catholic and I don't have a problem with P3.
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#42 MotoRacer81
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[QUOTE="jeffbase33"][QUOTE="IllegalGamer"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

the_crosbie

Killing is a sin...so what games do you play? lol

Actually Murder is the sin. It is ok to kill in self defense. Otherwise, God would have not helped the Israelites kick butt.

I do not think the Israelites "kick butt," the only reason the have their own country is because the UN felt bad for the Jewish population after the Holocaust and decided to give them a homeland surrounded by Islamic countries...

The israelis did actually kick butt to establish Israel. They fought the arabs in three major wars before they can safely declare Israel, so it wasn't as easy as "the UN gave it to them" plus it wasnt the UN, it was Britain.

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#43 Carl0009
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Persona 3 is actualy a pretty "light" game on the occult side. around 70% of your time your are socializing, sort of a sim date, and battles are blood-less. Yes, It has a few refences, but I gave up on try being 100% good, EVERYTHING is a sin now a days...:P, I think in some religion its a sin to take a nap..., My god
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#44 Carl0009
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[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Dude, its just a game.

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i'm Jewish and i play Persona 3! the devil doesn't exist dude, and neither does hell, they're just tools of fear thought up ancient philosophers.

You are one of my group dude. Anyone with a bit of knowledge would know that religions were used as tools of fear to control others.

I second that

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#45 BenderUnit22
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[QUOTE="BenderUnit22"]Ugh... Pentagrams are used in Christian religion as well, a satanic meaning is only implied if it's upside down.JudgementEden

WRONG! Pentagrams are always demonic upside or downside. Dont even give your opinion if you dont even know what your talking about. And if any Christians use it, rest assured they are corrupt. By the way, my Christian friend, I dont play Shin Megami Tensei games at all because of the reasons you listed. But thats my personal choice. You can play it if you want and not suffer any consequences. Just be cautius.

ORLY?

"There are many connections between the pentagram and Christianity. Before the cross, it was a preferred emblem to adorn the jewelry and amulets of early Christians (followed by an 'x' or a phoenix). The pentagram was associated with the five wounds of Christ, and because it could be drawn in one continuous movement of the pen, the Alpha and the Omega as one."

As people stated before, if you could lay out anything in any way you want, and if you think you go to hell because of a video game, well...

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#46 Generic_Dude
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Yes, but you'll probably go if you don't to, so game on. :twisted:
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#47 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"][QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

kenshinhimura16

Oh, didnt knew Christian people could play games at all:lol: (jk)

Actually, its a sin, as well as listening to 99% of current music, watching most of todays movies, or reading almost every book publicized till today. According to the orthodox side, taking a nap is a sin, and a capital sin. Eating a candy when you are not starbbing or hungry is also a sin-

No....just....no.

Why? ask an orthodox.

You're completly wrong dude. My dad is Orthodox and no way what you say is true.

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#48 branketra
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[QUOTE="jeffbase33"]

Being the only main release this week and such a huge fan base, I am tempted to check out this game. However, it is said to have occultic themes and there is a satanic pentagram on the cover. I don't want to open up room for demon influence in my apartment.

Any Christian gamers out there have any problems with this game? I still won't touch Diablo!

IllegalGamer

Killing is a sin...so what games do you play? lol

Metal Gear Solid 2.
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#49 Godofnerdyness
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If you end up going to Hell, I guess I'll be down there with you.

Don't forget your sun screen!

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#50 Elann2008
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I am sure you will be okay if you play Persona 3. You wont go to hell or anything. You're not promoting it, are you? For example, in Buddhism, you're not allowed to drink alcoholic beverages or else you'll go to hell. You also cannot promote, advertise, or sell alcoholic beverages, or else you'll go to hell too. Now, I dont think you playing Persona 3 will harm anyone. But by selling alcohol or even promoting it, you're saying its okay or good to drink alcohol, therefore causing drunk driving, intoxication that may lead to violent behavior or death, as well as, tear apart a family.