Gallup survey finds 52% support for Impeachment AND Removal.

Russia Interfered, AGW is real, there is evidence of this Ukraine Scandal, and the polls are accurate. I do not care about the alternate reality you are living in where facts are not facts. You just changed the subject after I proved you wrong.

You've been doing this for hours now, and we are completely discussing something new each time.

Now please go back on-topic. Most Americans want Trump impeached and removed. How upset does this make you?

Proved me wrong? With GIFs of Nicholas Cage? Or was it when you listed a number of agencies and nothing else?

Upset? Not at all, because you're a joke and it's fun toying and I only feel slightly bad as I suspect you are mentally ill.

You'll get him this time Big Z... definitely this time. *chuckle* Now down those meds and look out for the Ruskies.

Said the "basic". The only time you're the smartest person in the room is when you go to the bathroom, but you quickly become second smartest.

Yes. You are upset by this poll. Which is why you are doing everything in your power to derail the thread away from the poll.

Spamming insults, going completely off-topic, and telling blatant lies and never accepting you lied.

Yes. It was when I listed the agencies. I thought this was settled by now and that I wouldn't have to dig up citation, and that naming my sources should be enough since this is a settled matter.

But here goes,

Inside the Mueller report, a sophisticated Russian interference campaign

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/inside-the-mueller-report-a-sophisticated-russian-interference-campaign

RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume1.pdf

Senate Intel releases 2nd volume of report on 2016 Russian interference

https://www.axios.com/senate-intelligence-committee-russian-interference-report-425274e8-1780-44c3-963a-cd839ef1cbe5.html

8 U.S. Intelligence Groups Blame Russia for Meddling,

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/16/us/elections/russian-interference-statements-comments.html

Intelligence heads warn of more aggressive election meddling in 2020

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/dan-coats-2020-election-foreign-interference-1126077

If you do not provide counter-citation in your next post I consider this your concession.

You are toying with me by letting me beat you in every debate so far? Interesting. You must hate yourself. You suspect I'm "mentally ill" for stating commonly agreed upon facts? Really man?

This constitutes as trolling. This is against forum rules.

If what I'm saying is so wrong and outlandish, why can't you find counter-citation and why is it commonly accepted among the public and experts? Why do all search results point to what I'm saying for everything?

All you are doing is spamming ad-homs and are incapable of actually refuting me.

P.S. Why are all of your posts so vindictive and angry? Is it because you keep losing? Relax.

Hmm...Must by why Trump's base was the lowest educated voting base in 40 years, heh. Well Red States in general have trash education so this isn't surprising.

P.S. Why are all of your posts Ad-Homs and trolling?

Isn't it past your bedtime? Alt account......

I would but the smell from all the bed wetting around here from you guys is just off putting.

Orange man and Russians are everywhere!

Yeah you're so intelligent.... you've been claiming 2 + 2 = 5 for 3 years now.... but those damn Russians.

P.S. Why are all of your posts Ad-Homs and trolling?

1. I never claimed that. Citation? I did claim Russia Interfered - and I was 100% correct.

2. I did not troll or spam random insults like you did in that last 4 posts.

Not really upset, but you're super excited over the poll.... maybe this time Big Z all your neckbearded dreams of impeachment will come true. I can see the stain in your pants.

Out comes the glass jaw "oh you are sending insults". Not one for a mirror Big Z.

It is fun winding you guys up, you actually think your delusion is fact. You keep providing news sources and links.... but you don't really understand what's in them. If they had anything he'd be gone, but he isn't and he won't be and you can live your little dreams of being "the resistance". Sending links means nothing, it isn't citation or fact because he is still there. I mean seriously... Vox... yikes.

I don't need to counter-citation as usual you need citation of something that doesn't exist. You have zero evidence.... you have zero fact.... he's your president. He'll be your president. Stock up on linen you are going to need it.

3 years and still nothing. All those posts and you've nothing. You must get so frustrated.... so anyhow you guys probably need to go glue yourselves to something to save the plant.

Keep up the great work, look out for Russians.... keep saying Mueller Report without understanding it.

P.S. Why are you so angry did you get the IQ test back and they apologised that they can't evaluate a potato?

XOXOX Love you guys

"If you do not provide counter-citation in your next post I consider this your concession."

Right on the money.

Obligatory gif reply

If you had any actual evidence.... Trump would be gone.

Let me just check..... I win.

That's not how impeachment works. They literally do have evidence, and continue to gather it. Then the House will vote. Then he will likely be impeached once they do. It is a procedure. See other impeachments please.

The issue is the GOP Senate cult won't care, and won't convict. No matter the evidence.

Here is the evidence mind you. There is 0 question he tried to get Ukraine to look into Biden. It happened. And that is a fact.

Overwhelming Confirmation of Whistleblower Complaint: An Annotation

https://www.justsecurity.org/66475/ukraine-ukrainegate-overwhelming-confirmation-of-whistleblower-complaint-an-annotation/

TEXT MESSAGES SHOW THE TRUMP-ZELENSKY CALL HAD JUST ONE GOAL — AND IT WAS ANYTHING BUT ROUTINE

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/04/trump-ukraine-call/

White House admits lawyers hid transcript of damning Trump call in top-secret server

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-transcript-server-white-house-20190927-ngc5j2khcvf75m73k4kcaha534-story.html

'All the Way Up to POTUS': Ousted Ambassador to Ukraine Names Trump in Testimony Over Smear Campaign Led by Giuliani

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/11/all-way-potus-ousted-ambassador-ukraine-names-trump-testimony-over-smear-campaign

Former White House official bolsters the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower’s allegations

https://www.vox.com/2019/10/15/20915579/trump-impeachment-ukraine-fiona-hill-whistleblower

'Very Damning': Sondland Testifies Trump Directed US Diplomats to Follow Giuliani's Lead in Ukraine

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/17/very-damning-sondland-testifies-trump-directed-us-diplomats-follow-giulianis-lead

Mulvaney Says Holdup of Ukraine Aid Was Tied to Trump’s Demand for DNC Server

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mulvaney-says-holdup-of-ukraine-aid-was-related-to-trumps-demand-for-2016-election-probe-11571338443

P.S. I am glad you now accept 52% of Americans do want him removed and impeached. Earlier you said the polls were wrong.

Two-thirds majority will be needed for impeachment.

Me: oh wow a thread about a poll on impeaching trump, gotta be Zaryia

Also me: yup its Zaryia *yawwwn*

67 votes are needed for removal from office.

Best thing for OP is that now he finally knows which position to take.

At this point defending trump just makes you a fool. This isn't even about political party anymore.

What do you mean by this? The poll didn't alter the perception of the evidence for me. I have not changed my personal opinions on this topic based off of national opinion. I am simply posting a quite revealing data set which made the news. Such a topic interests me (and most politicians mind you) and I will continue to be someone who posts current-event relevant polls.

I have noticed this poll is making the more conservative posters randomly sling ad-homs or be snarky/aggressive in this thread though. A bit more than usual I might add.

^Right on queue.

Jeezers you can just give your opinions on the OP and simply say this poll makes you upset instead of attacking me.

IE:

That would be more accurate.

Legislation unlikely to pass? Moscow Mitch has stalled everything he can since February or earlier this year. Now he blames it on the impeachment process, earlier I guess he was just being unable to do his job.

It's a problem that it required someone like Trump to show how skewed US politics are and how much power Republicans actually have due to Congress not being representative of US.

That would be hard then. I think there are about 4-5 republican senators that COULD possible vote for impeachment, but no where near the number to hit 67.

I don't know if that's so explicitly clear cut. Trump and his cronies are now conceding that it was quid pro quo, but that the withholding of funds lay contingent on corruption being fought. Which is exactly what Biden did in 2016 if we're to be honest with ourselves. But there's a few differences that grant Biden the benefit of the doubt that don't Trump:

• Biden, as VP, was acting alongside others in demanding Ukrainian reform, who were also withholding funds.
• Crowdstrike is again being pulled into the picture by Trump as cover, and this has been a debunked conspiracy theory for a while now.
• Trump spoke highly of Shokin in the transcript, and this was after the US, EU, and others had condemned and were placing pressure on him to resign for blatantly obvious corruption (so much so, in fact, that Shokin's deputy general prosecutor, Kasko, resigned in protest against Shokin).

Which begs the question: if Trump is so concerned with corruption, which is what his administration is now leaning heavily on, why did he completely overlook, much less speak highly of a known corrupt Ukrainian official? I think the answer is obvious: because Trump has no actual interest in fighting corruption when it doesn't serve his own interests. He called Shokin a "very fine prosecutor" who got treated "very unfairly".

Where the hell is his issue with corruption there? He has none, because Shokin is his one means to smear Biden so he'll overlook it.

What I am saying is political party differences isn't the problem....it's a problem with the entire basis of our government. And ALL Americans should be against this.

The same gallup polls that had Hillary Clinton winning the 2016 election. This means absolutely nothing and I would take this with a grain of salt.

Hmm, an interesting turn to no longer denying it all together but acknowledging that there was a general QPQ.

As to why he is mentioning Sholdin as a "very fine person" you know as well as anyone that Trump looks at this in a narrow scope, for him it´s just about the 2 American corruption scandals which involves Ukraine, Trump does not care about what other cookie jars Sholdin have had his dirty hands in.

Denying what?

Trump very much should care what cookie jars Shokin had his hands in if he's going to use him as leverage to expose corruption on our end. That Shokin is corrupt gives validation to the rationale of his dismissal instead of how Trump pushes it by framing him as an upstanding guy who got treated "very unfairly". The evidence is against Trump.

trump is the American scandal involving Ukraine....

A few of the sworn testimonies (and texts) made it clear all the insiders knew and thought it was about helping his 2020 campaign and not the fake explanation of "Teh Ukraine Corruptionz!!!1" since that 1 angle is a fake conspiracy.

Trump couldn't even name any real corruption when asked.

2/3 majority

also lol the tantrums the trumpkins are throwing itt.

must have struck a nerve.

It's amazing. The guy has the thinnest skin. Can't take any criticism without absolutely going apeshit.

Yes. The same Gallup poll that showed Hillary winning the Popular Vote which is National Opinion. Which she did.

National Opinion polls are very accurate. They were correct for 2016. Please do better research before posting

There is 0 reason to suggest this poll among others that show the same thing are not accurate. I will continue to stats a majority of Americans want Trump removed and impeached.

So you think a poll is accurate for a election that is more than a full year away?

Got it.

That isn't an election poll in the OP.

Debating with right wingers is rough lmao.

@zaryia: I didn't realize we were having a debate. WE are also talking about different things. There are two polls we were talking about here: the impeachment poll and the poll that shows that Elizabeth Warren is the Democratic front runner.

Please pay attention.

True. You merely said something factually incorrect and I corrected it.

2016 polls were accurate. The poll I linked is accurate.

I did not say anything factually incorrect, you just didn't understand what I was referring to, but that is OK.

I was referring to the poll that shows Elizabeth Warren being the front runner for the Democratic presidential nominee. We are also talking about another poll (which this entire thread is about) showing that 52% of Americans support impeaching Donald Trump.

Also what 2016 poll are you referring to? The reason I ask is because an overwhelmingly vast majority of polls that showed Hillary winning the 2016 election were wrong.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/why-2016-election-polls-missed-their-mark/

Neither one of those, however, contrary to your assertion is about who will win in 2020.

Please pay attention.

What these whistleblowers think might be a reason does not equal evidence.

While the republicans and democrats in the senate have to weigh the evidence, they still have to meet the burden of proof.

I mean I have high confidence that Donald Trump will win. The Democrats are facing an uphill battle and it's hard to compete against a booming economy as well as historic lows for black, Hispanic and women unemployment rates. The Democrats also do not have a clear or concise campaign message and it isn't helping that they keep flip flopping on certain issues.

That being said, I am not going to rely on polls (some of which proved to be highly inaccurate in 2016), I am just going to wait until election night.

High confidence? You really really aren't paying attention to the political climate.

We are heading to a recession. The unemployment rates have bottomed out.

Denying that there was anything to it being a QPQ, his initial response was there was nothing there remember...

And yes he very much should and not refer to Shokin as a "very fine guy" but you know Trump and his one-track mind, so for him it was just most likely the unfair situation he feels he is in.

Also, you can be sure that Trump does not really think he is a "very fine guy" or was treated "very unfairly" he is just talking BS there and kissing Ukraines butt to get something he wants.

Dirt on his political adversaries? I hope you aren't defending that.

Of course not, I was only making valid reasoning behind his actions.

Because if anyone thinks that Trump actually likes this guy then they are mistaken, it´s the whole Charlottsville speech again

There is no valid reasoning for what he did. Do you conservatives not care about our country, constitution, and government model? Serious question because you all put trump ahead of those.

That is your opinion, also you keep with the "care about your country" which is rich coming from someone who for almost 4 years has done nothing but discredit our democratically elected president and also argue for a dismantling of democracy.

Also, it´s strange you are ok with Biden doing similar things.

It's not opinion. It's fact.

Guess what...…..I'm exercising my constitutional right to denounce the criminal in chief. He's voided his time as president by breaking laws.

What has Biden done? There is no evidence he did anything. Stop believing the garbage coming from trump's mouth.