Gallup survey finds 52% support for Impeachment AND Removal.

1. I said at the same point. Please pay attention to posts, and read them clearly next time. At this same point Nixon's impeachment polls were not as bad. Not nearly.

At the beginning of the Watergate hearings in mid-1973, only 19 percent of Americans backed removing Nixon from office.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/16/only-once-has-gallup-seen-more-support-removing-president-nixon-was-gone-four-days-later/

19% vs 52%. LMAO!

2. Republican support for Impeachment has skyrocketed through this ordeal.

“Since a July poll by The Post and ABC, there has been movement toward an impeachment inquiry among all three groups, with support for the inquiry rising by 25 points among Democrats, 21 points among Republicans and 20 points among independents,”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/new-poll-20-point-increase-impeachment-inquiry-republicans.html

3. A majority of Americans are for impeachment according to the poll in my OP, which is what I am referencing. 52% is a majority. Either way there are more people FOR impeachment than against.

4. The impeachment is not "fake" or "unfounded". Sorry Jacky, you can't state fictional stuff on this forum and pretend it's a real argument. This portion of your "debate" is as relevant as me saying Trump is a half lizard man or space alien. You don't even have an ounce of citation for this wild claim.

1. At the same point? that makes zero sense since we are not dealing with two similar impeachments enquires.

2. Are you really using Slate? a well-known far-left outlet? go read up on the link I gave, it´s a well-known site that has no bias towards one or the other and the avg. is around 12% not 20.

3. No, a majority is not for impeachment, again 49.4% is not a majority, you go argue with the polling site (which you btw have used often)

4. Thanks for your opinion, not relevant but thanks anyways.

Jac simply doesn't care that Trump committed crimes. He doesn't care about extorting foreign interference into our election, he doesn't care about obstructing justice, and he doesn't care about Trump filling his own pockets from the Treasury.

Let me translate here

@mattbbpl said: "Someone does not care about my divine opinion and now i am really mad because my dvine opinion is the only absolute correct one, why can´t someone see that"

I am actually surprised that someone who I know has some legal knowledge is so careless with fundamental principals in our justice system.

Impeachment is not the justice system. Stop pretending it is.

@Jacanuk: It's all out in there in the open. In released transcripts, admitted to by officials, confirmed by investigators, and/or blatantly occurring right now. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge any of these acts which each have some combination of the damning support above indicates your hand.

You don't care, and your support is unshakable regardless of what he does.

Experts disagree with this fake made up legal opinion.

First, nothing out there is ironclad evidence, so I have no idea why you would even claim so? after all, I know you are not a complete layman as to the law.

And you are running a circle rational here, the problem is the actual phone call and no one has admitted definitally that Trump asked for a QPQ in relation to getting dirt on his opponent in an upcoming election. Even the actual transcript is ambitious as you clearly saw with the liar Schiff when he had to resort to lies and fabrications when reading the actual transcripts.

And of course I care, I just don´t convict people on the basis of the left coming out with "Hey you are clueless if you cannot see the divine truth that Trump is guilty"

1. Opinion on the facts. I'm comparing same points in time

19% vs 52%.

Deal with it.

2. Republican support for impeachment did in fact go up.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/267491/congress-approval-support-impeaching-trump.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-record-support-for-trump-impeachment

3. A majority of Americans are for impeachment according to several recent polls and the one the OP is discussing. Either way, more are for than against ir. And it is far worse than Nixon's during the same point.

4. I'm glad you agree your statements are opinions that do not change the fact this is a real impeachment process/issue and not a "fake" one as you falsely claimed.

@zaryia: You know he's never going to accept the truth. Why bother?

1. Again 49.4% is not 52% also when do you want to compare the data? from before the watergate happened? or after? when the supreme court got involved or after? If we go by similarities you have to go by after the supreme court judgement since that is where the impeachment inquiry was at the top like now.

2. Keep bringing out poll upon poll when the only one that matters is the avg poll data, or do we really need to debate stats 101 again?

3: According to the avg of all the polls taken, 49.4% is for, you know the same kind of data you use to back up your claim that the polls in 2016 got it right.

4. Yes, I agree that your opinion is as always an opinion and that linking to other peoples opinion does not equal facts.

Not really but nice try.

1. 49% or 52% or 54% >>>>>>>>>>> 19%

It's worse than Nixon either way. Same point in time, beginnings of the Inquiries. Nixon got the 58-60% well after. This is a fact. Please stop denying this fact.

2. Average poll data is important and I not deny the horrific for Trump 49.4% (still a super bad number), but not the only one that matters - ask any politician who uses internal polling. I can (and will continue to use) individual polls and not always use average data. But 49.4% is still extremely bad, and it's still more than the number who do NOT want him impeached.

3. That isn't the only data that backs up the 2016 polls got it right. Several individual polls themselves were also right. I use that because it's easy. I can just link dozens of polls separately. 49% is still very very bad for Trump mind you, and still greater than the number who do not want him impeached/removed. It's a poor no matter how you spin it.

4. Yes. It is your opinion that this impeachment process is fake. This impeachment process is objectively real. You are not Rudy Giuliani, truth IS the truth.

It's as if every day there is new evidence coming out and that number goes up and up!

1-4. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/do-americans-support-impeaching-president-trump/

Ok, this is not anything that is debatable, you can call FTE and yell at them all you want but the poll data is factually

49.4% overall for impeachment and as to republicans the poll there actually show a decrease and is now at 12.3% down from 13%, 45.3% for independents and of course 82% for democrats.

So you can take out the outliners but we can do the same to disprove your "but the 2016 polls were correct" Yes the avg. polling data was pretty close to the actual data.

And since you use Realclearpolitics we can also take those for impeachment.

Trump Impeachment and Removal From Office Among Republican

RCP Average

10/3 - 10/15

10.4

85.2

No +74.8

Trump Impeachment and Removal From Office: Support/Oppose

RCP Average

10/1 - 10/15

--

49.0

45.1

Yes/Remove +3.9

I'm confused by what your goal is here.

While this thread is specifically about Gallup's results and I was referencing them, I'm fine with ALSO using the RCP/538 Average.

49% is still very bad. It's still more than the number who do not want him impeached. I'm not sure why you're using that avg. number as some sort of badge of honor when it's still terrible.

That's still 49% > 19%(Nixon).

Also 7 more hearings next week I heard. Including career Ambassadors.

Should be bad for Trump, since they all share the same accounts so far and it's pretty horrible.

This debate has gone on so long that the goal has gone from trying to explain that there is no actual ironclad evidence to talking about polls.

But ok, let´s get back to the specific Gallup poll. And as to Nixon again we have to agree on a point in both presidencies´s impeachment enquiry before we can look at the poll data.

And sure some polls got the 2016 popular vote result pretty close, which kinda gives itself when the avg was so close.

I'm not against it, but certainly would approve the inquiry, if the Inquiry is a case, and not just throw out with no defending himself.

I just don't see the point, he's on his last year, and only reason for impeachment is so that he can't win 4 more years.

Although many 1 term presidents since 70s, its pretty obviously that most do get re-elected and chances are Trump will win unless impeached.

Aha dunno then. Just saw some numbers and was wondering.

If it becomes a near certainty he's on the way out (all current polling indicates he's behind in general ticket and key states) and he knows he's going to be indicted after, there's a lot of dangerous shit he could do. Let's not forget there's a terrifying 2 month gap from election to the next president's inauguration, during which he could try to postpone the results, pardon a million crazy criminals, bomb a country, or force martial law and go full Reichstag on us. Getting rid of him early prevents a dangerous scenario of several months of shameless criminal activity (which we already have mind you but it would be worse.)

As for a "case," that is what the Senate does after the impeachment is passed by the House. Trump will get the chance to defend himself in a case, so to speak, once it makes it there. Until then, the house has been granted investigative rights under the constitution, which the white house is, of course, illegally ignoring.

If he doesn't get re-elected the GOP certainly won't allow him the leeway they have to this point.

I'm not sure I believe that, especially if they are also not reelected into the majority. House is all but guaranteed to stay blue, but the Senate is currently risky. As hopeful as I am that they'd dump him like hot garbage, I wouldn't rely on that to be the case, no matter how shitty his action. See most recently Syria, where they've awarded us their platitudes of negativity, and then refused to vote on a condemning resolution. I would expect a severe power grab like blocking the election results to be met with a stern level of furrowed brows and deep concern.

This thread is about polls, literally - look at the title. I'm not the one moving the goal post, there objectively is evidence so far. That's a fact.

The beginning of the inquiry. The articles I linked already looked into this already, don't spin it.

49-54%~ vs. ~19%

National Opinion polls look at popular vote. Most of the reputable ones correctly called Hillary, within margin of error. The 2016 polls in general were accurate.

Yeah, the avg. of polling he is linking is still extremely bad......and still significantly worse than Nixon during the same point in time. It's merely 2.6% off of my OP Poll, which is within margin of error. Not really something you want to harp on.

Haven't really seen any right wingers put up a good defense for Trump regarding this Ukraine matter. Kind of hard considering what we know.

Lay of the name calling.

That is your opinion and i haven´t seen any left-wingers actual build any fair and impartial argument for Trump´s guilty.

You keep linking to lawyers who you call experts just because they are on tv, which is BS when you can find a 100 for and 100 against and the best usually do not go on tv because they have enough working for their clients.

And after that, you give us your opinion on the matter, which is highly irrelevant. You are beating a dead horse here because with weak evidence you are not going to convince any moderate independent and certainly not republicans.

Evidence says you're wrong. Denial much?

One-liners much with no value?

Miss the word EVIDENCE. There it's bigger for you.

You mean you think it´s evidence /facts because it backs up the opinion you have.

Luckily that is not how the real world works.

And don´t worry I am not out to convince you because I know that is a Sisyphus task.

Sounds like 52% of people do not understand how impeachment proceedings work.

No it's not opinion. Opinion is what you do.

It´s not 52% and actually 0.8% of democrats have reconsidered.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

According to the recent poll

It´s down to 48% which is close to the same number as in 2016 right after the election.

It is 52% going by gallup.

For polling averages it is 49.2%

Both are still very bad numbers for any President. Nixon was around 19% at this same time point of his inquiry.

How so?

Explain lmao.

Not to mention the number of independents favoring impeachment has gone up.

President needs to be impeached. Incompetence has no place in the oval office, especially from a TV reality host.

Incompetence shouldn't get you elected...….but he's unethical and unconstitutional..…….that's why he should be impeached.

What? I literally just linked to the numbers.

Go yell at Emerson and the other polls and Fivethirthy if you feel your opinion is more accurate

That is true and also one of the two numbers that actually matter, the independents and republicans are the two who will swing.

As to impeachment well, thats a place so far we will have to disagree, I do not think nor will I ever agree with a president being impeached just because someone does not like him,

That isn't the case here.

I never contested Emerson or 538, in fact I agreed with their average. Are you ESL (And I do not mean this as an insult)?

I did not write an opinion. I'm giving you the data. The one in my OP is 52%, 538 is 48.4%, RCP is 49.3%. All are up after the Impeachment started and evidence came out.

49.3% Average at RCP.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html

49.4% Average at 538

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

Here is one of the newest ones, 50% for 42% against by MC, and 51% v 44% by CNN:

IMPEACH

B-

Morning Consult

1,989registered voters

50% 42%

Yes +8

CNN

10/17 - 10/20

892 RV

51%

44%

All are very very bad numbers. Nixon was around 19% average at this point.

@comp_atkins: I should really watch that movie one day.

@zaryia: Lol, what's with you and polls?

its entertaining. especially with the machine learning revolution going on these days.

The number is increasing among independents.

Read my last sentence again. The president is incompetent and has no place in the oval office. His policy decisions favor that of our enemies, have been inconsistent, and numerous policy-makers and public servants have stated that he is not only incompetent but dangerous.

In any setting, whether public or private, if a leader is shown to be incompetent, they are voted out, impeached, and/or fired. This isn't because he isn't just liked. It's because he's dangerous.