Gallup survey finds 52% support for Impeachment AND Removal.

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To be honest, aside from his zero climate change policies, the crazy deficits due to the un necessary tax cuts, and his pro patent/IP support, Trump is doing a fine job.

If you could get a president like Trump but who doesn't give out these crazy tax cuts and also has strong climate change policies, you would really be set in terms of one of the best presidents, if not THE best in history.

Even in climate change, his lack of action is scaring individual states and countries around the world to do more. It's ironic but also funny at the same time. Still, having a federal policy would be the best solution. So in the end, the biggest down side to him is his tax cuts, which to be honest we all knew were coming, given that he is a billionaire and he was always going to pad his wallet.

I watched his speech today on pulling out of Syria and it was amazing, one of the best speeches I've heard coming from a president. He did throw a lot of shade at Obama, but it was well deserved. That hypocrite is the reason the US is in Syria in the first place. Great job on Trump for pulling out.

The impeachment is just utter nonsense. Trump should round up Democrats and lock them up in mass.

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@vfighter said:

@zaryia: Lol, what's with you and polls?

Whats with your foolish opinion that they are inherently inaccurate?

Seems like they trigger you very hard.

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@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:

That is true and also one of the two numbers that actually matter, the independents and republicans are the two who will swing.

As to impeachment well, thats a place so far we will have to disagree, I do not think nor will I ever agree with a president being impeached just because someone does not like him,

The number is increasing among independents.

Read my last sentence again. The president is incompetent and has no place in the oval office. His policy decisions favor that of our enemies, have been inconsistent, and numerous policy-makers and public servants have stated that he is not only incompetent but dangerous.

In any setting, whether public or private, if a leader is shown to be incompetent, they are voted out, impeached, and/or fired. This isn't because he isn't just liked. It's because he's dangerous.

God forbid anyone looks at the incompetence and unconstitutionality coupled with criminal behavior and say we need to have better leaders. His base is A-Okay with the behavior. It doesn't show them in a good light.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:

That is true and also one of the two numbers that actually matter, the independents and republicans are the two who will swing.

As to impeachment well, thats a place so far we will have to disagree, I do not think nor will I ever agree with a president being impeached just because someone does not like him,

The number is increasing among independents.

Read my last sentence again. The president is incompetent and has no place in the oval office. His policy decisions favor that of our enemies, have been inconsistent, and numerous policy-makers and public servants have stated that he is not only incompetent but dangerous.

In any setting, whether public or private, if a leader is shown to be incompetent, they are voted out, impeached, and/or fired. This isn't because he isn't just liked. It's because he's dangerous.

God forbid anyone looks at the incompetence and unconstitutionality coupled with criminal behavior and say we need to have better leaders. His base is A-Okay with the behavior. It doesn't show them in a good light.

We get it LJS, your side does not nor would you ever back the president of America. While it´s not a person on the far-left and progressive.

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

God forbid anyone looks at the incompetence and unconstitutionality coupled with criminal behavior and say we need to have better leaders. His base is A-Okay with the behavior. It doesn't show them in a good light.

We get it LJS, your side does not nor would you ever back the president of America. While it´s not a person on the far-left and progressive.

You make some stupid statements but that is the most stupid. I hold the presidency to a high standard as should all Americans. You like incompetency and throwing the Constitution out to have an authoritarian oligarch run the country. It's not your country so why would you care.

I served my country. I took an oath to defend it and the Constitution. I will NOT agree with a POS president that doesn't do the same.

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:

That is true and also one of the two numbers that actually matter, the independents and republicans are the two who will swing.

As to impeachment well, thats a place so far we will have to disagree, I do not think nor will I ever agree with a president being impeached just because someone does not like him,

The number is increasing among independents.

Read my last sentence again. The president is incompetent and has no place in the oval office. His policy decisions favor that of our enemies, have been inconsistent, and numerous policy-makers and public servants have stated that he is not only incompetent but dangerous.

In any setting, whether public or private, if a leader is shown to be incompetent, they are voted out, impeached, and/or fired. This isn't because he isn't just liked. It's because he's dangerous.

God forbid anyone looks at the incompetence and unconstitutionality coupled with criminal behavior and say we need to have better leaders. His base is A-Okay with the behavior. It doesn't show them in a good light.

We get it LJS, your side does not nor would you ever back the president of America. While it´s not a person on the far-left and progressive.

Yet you continue to back a president who is a danger to the security of this nation, just to own the libs?

Mattis even stated the obvious. This president can't be trusted. This isn't about party, it's about this nation and you're falling again for the Fox narrative.

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@Jacanuk said:

We get it LJS, your side does not nor would you ever back the president of America. While it´s not a person on the far-left and progressive.

That's quite an accusation to make. Do you feel confident that "your side" would have the back of the president who is "far-left and progressive"?

Obama was a centre-right President and he was still tarred by the Republicans for 8 years.

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@leicam6: Yeah, but he was a black Kenyan born Muslim.

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@leicam6 said:
@Jacanuk said:

We get it LJS, your side does not nor would you ever back the president of America. While it´s not a person on the far-left and progressive.

That's quite an accusation to make. Do you feel confident that "your side" would have the back of the president who is "far-left and progressive"?

Obama was a centre-right President and he was still tarred by the Republicans for 8 years.

Obama was as progressive as they get, he was most certainly not a centre-right

Not even sure what made you think that?

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@Jacanuk said:
@leicam6 said:
@Jacanuk said:

We get it LJS, your side does not nor would you ever back the president of America. While it´s not a person on the far-left and progressive.

That's quite an accusation to make. Do you feel confident that "your side" would have the back of the president who is "far-left and progressive"?

Obama was a centre-right President and he was still tarred by the Republicans for 8 years.

Obama was as progressive as they get, he was most certainly not a centre-right

Not even sure what made you think that?

Because he was/is a centrist.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@leicam6 said:
@Jacanuk said:

We get it LJS, your side does not nor would you ever back the president of America. While it´s not a person on the far-left and progressive.

That's quite an accusation to make. Do you feel confident that "your side" would have the back of the president who is "far-left and progressive"?

Obama was a centre-right President and he was still tarred by the Republicans for 8 years.

Obama was as progressive as they get, he was most certainly not a centre-right

Not even sure what made you think that?

Because he was/is a centrist.

There was nothing centrist about Obama.

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Obama was as progressive as they get, he was most certainly not a centre-right

Not even sure what made you think that?

I'm telling you as someone who is as far left as you can get without being a communist that no, Obama is absolutely not "as progressive as they get". How would you describe Bernie Sanders then?

I'm actually a little stunned you believe such a thing. It shows a lack of perspective and lack of engagement with politics outside of the US. Obama isn't even progressive in today's Democratic Party, never mind Europe and Canada.

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@leicam6 said:
@Jacanuk said:

Obama was as progressive as they get, he was most certainly not a centre-right

Not even sure what made you think that?

I'm telling you as someone who is as far left as you can get without being a communist that no, Obama is absolutely not "as progressive as they get". How would you describe Bernie Sanders then?

I'm actually a little stunned you believe such a thing. It shows a lack of perspective and lack of engagement with politics outside of the US. Obama isn't even progressive in today's Democratic Party, never mind Europe and Canada.

Sanders is a socialist after European standards.

Obama did "more" for the LGBT community than any other president before him and a lot of his ECO´s was all about them or it was about the environment and not forgetting his crowning achievement Obamacare.

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Because he was/is a centrist.

There was nothing centrist about Obama.

Obama agreed to make Bush tax cuts permanent, landed in the middle ground on health insurance, was tough on the border, and continued to expand the military.

Contrary to your multiple attempts, you can't just say some shit and it magically becomes true.

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@Vaasman said:
@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Because he was/is a centrist.

There was nothing centrist about Obama.

Obama agreed to make Bush tax cuts permanent, landed in the middle ground on health insurance, was tough on the border, and continued to expand the military.

Contrary to your multiple attempts, you can't just say some shit and it magically becomes true.

Contrary to your "opinion" what you think does not make it true.

The Almanac of American Politics (2008) rated Obama's overall social policies in 2006 as more conservative than 21% of the U.S. Senate, and more liberal than 77% of the Senate (18% and 77%, respectively, in 2005).[20]

So almost 80% of the senate is less liberal than Obama.

Also on environmental policies he is left-wing

Lastly as to the Obama tax cuts, well considering he had the presidency in a recession and in a time where economic growth was needed, any economist can tell you that what he did was better than removing them.

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@Jacanuk said:
@Vaasman said:

Obama agreed to make Bush tax cuts permanent, landed in the middle ground on health insurance, was tough on the border, and continued to expand the military.

Contrary to your multiple attempts, you can't just say some shit and it magically becomes true.

in the

Contrary to your "opinion" what you think does not make it true.

The Almanac of American Politics (2008) rated Obama's overall social policies in 2006 as more conservative than 21% of the U.S. Senate, and more liberal than 77% of the Senate (18% and 77%, respectively, in 2005).[20]

So almost 80% of the senate is less liberal than Obama.

Also on environmental policies he is left-wing

Lastly as to the Obama tax cuts, well considering he had the presidency in a recession and in a time where economic growth was needed, any economist can tell you that what he did was better than removing them.

Yeah that's not a stretch when conservatives exist in the Senate. It's all relative. Nonetheless in the US Obama is central left but compared to Europe he is central right.

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@Jacanuk said:
@Vaasman said:

Obama agreed to make Bush tax cuts permanent, landed in the middle ground on health insurance, was tough on the border, and continued to expand the military.

Contrary to your multiple attempts, you can't just say some shit and it magically becomes true.

Contrary to your "opinion" what you think does not make it true.

So almost 80% of the senate is less liberal than Obama.

Also on environmental policies he is left-wing

Lastly as to the Obama tax cuts, well considering he had the presidency in a recession and in a time where economic growth was needed, any economist can tell you that what he did was better than removing them.

No what I stated were facts, it's my "opinion" that you're a garbagey troll.

Your rating was listed in 2008 and does not reference actual enacted policy. Useless in a retrospective of his actual presidency. And when you claim there was "nothing about him centrist" and then have to backpedal on something he did that was decidedly centrist, that makes you flat out wrong.

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@Jacanuk said:

Sanders is a socialist after European standards.

Obama did "more" for the LGBT community than any other president before him and a lot of his ECO´s was all about them or it was about the environment and not forgetting his crowning achievement Obamacare.

Obama came relatively late to being pro-LGBT, being pro-environment isn't something only the left is, and Obamacare was based off a Heritage Foundation proposal from 1989 as well as Mitt Romney's healthcare program in Massachusetts from 2006.

None of this particularly progressive unless, like I said, one lacks perspective.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:

Contrary to your "opinion" what you think does not make it true.

The Almanac of American Politics (2008) rated Obama's overall social policies in 2006 as more conservative than 21% of the U.S. Senate, and more liberal than 77% of the Senate (18% and 77%, respectively, in 2005).[20]

So almost 80% of the senate is less liberal than Obama.

Also on environmental policies he is left-wing

Lastly as to the Obama tax cuts, well considering he had the presidency in a recession and in a time where economic growth was needed, any economist can tell you that what he did was better than removing them.

Yeah that's not a stretch when conservatives exist in the Senate. It's all relative. Nonetheless in the US Obama is central left but compared to Europe he is central right.

We are not talking about Europe here.

Obama is and was not a centrist by American standards, he was a democrat, he may be a centrist among democrats but that is not what we are talking about

So if you have Sanders the socialist on the far-left you have Obama and then Joe Manchin on the right towards the centre.

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Yeah that's not a stretch when conservatives exist in the Senate. It's all relative. Nonetheless in the US Obama is central left but compared to Europe he is central right.

We are not talking about Europe here.

Obama is and was not a centrist by American standards, he was a democrat, he may be a centrist among democrats but that is not what we are talking about

So if you have Sanders the socialist on the far-left you have Obama and then Joe Manchin on the right towards the centre.

Center left. He wasn't extreme. And yeah it's a fact that he is a Democrat. But just because he wasn't a conservative doesn't mean he wasn't center.

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Center left. He wasn't extreme. And yeah it's a fact that he is a Democrat. But just because he wasn't a conservative doesn't mean he wasn't center.

Calling Obama centre is a misrepresentation.

Unless you redefine centre as the middle of the democratic side. And that is not how the real world works.

Obama was zero for zero on conservative ideals he could not even reach across the aisle and work together with any of them.

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Center left. He wasn't extreme. And yeah it's a fact that he is a Democrat. But just because he wasn't a conservative doesn't mean he wasn't center.

Calling Obama centre is a misrepresentation.

Unless you redefine centre as the middle of the democratic side. And that is not how the real world works.

Obama was zero for zero on conservative ideals he could not even reach across the aisle and work together with any of them.

No no it's not a misrepresentation. Obama compromised a lot with the right and stop rewriting history. It was the right that refused to reach across the aisle. Seriously turn off Fox News.

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@Jacanuk: "Obama was zero for zero on conservative ideals he could not even reach across the aisle and work together with any of them."

Holy hell, hahahah.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Center left. He wasn't extreme. And yeah it's a fact that he is a Democrat. But just because he wasn't a conservative doesn't mean he wasn't center.

Calling Obama centre is a misrepresentation.

Unless you redefine centre as the middle of the democratic side. And that is not how the real world works.

Obama was zero for zero on conservative ideals he could not even reach across the aisle and work together with any of them.

No no it's not a misrepresentation. Obama compromised a lot with the right and stop rewriting history. It was the right that refused to reach across the aisle. Seriously turn off Fox News.

Why did I know you would try the empty words speech.

Obama may have tried to reach across but if it´s only to tell them that that they would have to meet over on his side and have dinner on his terms.

IT´s not nor will it ever be working across.

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No no it's not a misrepresentation. Obama compromised a lot with the right and stop rewriting history. It was the right that refused to reach across the aisle. Seriously turn off Fox News.

Why did I know you would try the empty words speech.

Obama may have tried to reach across but if it´s only to tell them that that they would have to meet over on his side and have dinner on his terms.

IT´s not nor will it ever be working across.

After supporting the obstructionist republican party you have a lot of nerve placing the blame on Obama. I speak facts. You speak lies.

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@Jacanuk said:

Go yell at Emerson and the other polls and Fivethirthy if you feel your opinion is more accurate

I never contested Emerson or 538, in fact I agreed with their average. Are you ESL (And I do not mean this as an insult)?

I did not write an opinion. I'm giving you the data. The one in my OP is 52%, 538 is 48.4%, RCP is 49.3%. All are up after the Impeachment started and evidence came out.

49.3% Average at RCP.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html

49.4% Average at 538

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

Here is one of the newest ones, 50% for 42% against by MC, and 51% v 44% by CNN:

IMPEACHB-Morning Consult1,989registered voters
50%42%
Yes +8
CNN10/17 - 10/20892 RV51%44%

All are very very bad numbers. Nixon was around 19% average at this point.

Yeah, it doesn't really matter what the population says, because impeachment proceedings aren't decided by them, they are decided by congress.

Don't you find it strange that the Democrats haven't voted for a formal impeachment inquiry yet? You need both the house and the senate for this and since the Democrats know they do not have those votes, this is just an illusion for the masses.

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After supporting the obstructionist republican party you have a lot of nerve placing the blame on Obama. I speak facts. You speak lies.

That is your opinion mine is different and luckily we have two sides , Republicans and Democrats.

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@mighty-lu-bu said:

Yeah, it doesn't really matter what the population says, because impeachment proceedings aren't decided by them, they are decided by congress.

Don't you find it strange that the Democrats haven't voted for a formal impeachment inquiry yet? You need both the house and the senate for this and since the Democrats know they do not have those votes, this is just an illusion for the masses.

I don't find it strange. There are getting all the information...…...along with Republicans by the way...….before they proceed. And if enough polls say the US has sired on trump the Republican politicians will as well.

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

After supporting the obstructionist republican party you have a lot of nerve placing the blame on Obama. I speak facts. You speak lies.

That is your opinion mine is different and luckily we have two sides , Republicans and Democrats.

It's a fact. There is no sides in this. Only facts.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

After supporting the obstructionist republican party you have a lot of nerve placing the blame on Obama. I speak facts. You speak lies.

That is your opinion mine is different and luckily we have two sides , Republicans and Democrats.

It's a fact. There is no sides in this. Only facts.

Ok, what do you base this fact on?

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@mighty-lu-bu said:

Yeah, it doesn't really matter what the population says, because impeachment proceedings aren't decided by them, they are decided by congress.

Don't you find it strange that the Democrats haven't voted for a formal impeachment inquiry yet? You need both the house and the senate for this and since the Democrats know they do not have those votes, this is just an illusion for the masses.

I'm fully aware Impeachment is not decided by popular vote. However, I am aware that public opinion can sway the congressmen,senators to vote certain ways. I also am generally interested in what the public thinks when it comes to politics and even entertainment topics.

I do not think it's strange. It's not required. This is not an illusion for the masses, there is quite a bit of evidence. If the GOP Senate chooses not to convict that's them being a cult.

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@Jacanuk said:
@leicam6 said:
@Jacanuk said:

We get it LJS, your side does not nor would you ever back the president of America. While it´s not a person on the far-left and progressive.

That's quite an accusation to make. Do you feel confident that "your side" would have the back of the president who is "far-left and progressive"?

Obama was a centre-right President and he was still tarred by the Republicans for 8 years.

Obama was as progressive as they get,

WOW