Trump sides with Russia against FBI at Helsinki summit

Before you through the Traitor term around you should look at Obama's comments on a open mike. Secondly collusion is not a crime. Hillary colluded with the Russians and received money for it, or did you forget. If you re going to call collusion call it both ways or don't say anything.

So your answer is whataboutism. A Soviet era tactic used heavily in Russian politics. You are not helping your case.

Counter-intelligence is one of the primary duties of the FBI. They are just doing their job when it comes to Trump and the Russians.

Collusion = treason. Not only is it a crime. It's a capital crime.

Also it's "throw" not "through." Your English is terrible. Work on your English comrade or I will have to report you to your superiors at the GRU.

@tryit: Im not denying anything. To be clear i believe the Russians leaked Hillary's and the DNC emails. The thing is.... who cares?

We actually got the truth for once and it was the ONLY negative coverage Hillary got. Meanwhile our media was focused on a access holywood tape.

who cares? I do.

I want truth and it has taken a year to get anyone on the Trump supporting right to even admit that this happened.

another Sun Tzu quote

'Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win'

what that means if, if you have to think of a clever response to try and get something to fit that you know is a lie, then you are 'going to war first and then seek to win'

Those are democrats in disguise. Didn't you know? :P

All major US institutions.

This is a bipartisan thing. Trump is being bashed by both sides, and the IC Chiefs and Deputy AG are Republicans.

I doubt counter intelligence was done by the FBI during the Obama Administration. In fact the governmental agencies were told to stand down. The government agencies were never allowed to examine the DNC computers which is the basis of Russian meddling. It is like declaring a murder without investigating the scene of the crime. As far as my English I knew what I wanted to say and just typed the wrong word.

Where is the Treason? It is only in your mind.

Jim, I encourage you to be more honest with yourself, sit and think about how this is going to play out over the course of the next year and deeply consider which side you want to be on with this story.

The FBI ALWAYS conducts counterintelligence. A significant part of the agency is permanently devoted to it. They have an entire division devoted to it. They've been conducting counterintelligence for over 100 years. Do not get angry about spy hunters doing their job and hunting down spies. Spy hunting is literally one of the primary jobs of the FBI if not their primary job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Counterintelligence_Division

What, you'd rather not have the FBI protecting us from foreign spies?

@zaryia: lol you dont get it. I just think its funny the new left is embracing socialism. They hate capitalisn and Russia is the shining enemy of Capitalism. So many people critcizing the meddiling but most of you far left loons wan't a government system more like Russia then our own.

ok aside from that derailing from the topic and not making the facts suddenly not facts anymore.

The U.S. is a corporate socialist state bro...what rock do you live under?

During the Cold War. Modern Russia is a far right wing fascist country that has embraced capitalism. Fascist oligarchy like what Russia has is what Republicans aspire to.

I am not a fan of how some of them (Right wingers) are casually now changing the conversation from 'its not happening its all fake news' to 'democrats would love to be in bed with Russians'

will never admit they were wrong and never even admit that the indictments are likely accurate.

@JimB: Careful with the anti-FBI talk, Jim. After fielding three of US history's most corrupt administrations in their last six, the party is already in danger of losing their, "party of law and order," reputation.

@tryit: Corporate socialist... great! I like how you just make shit up.

@tryit: Will you admit you were wrong if there was no collusion?

are you nuts!

I am not admitting shit until you do...I am still waiting for a stronger admittance from you

and yes I know the trap you are trying to pull, your next response would be'but there is no collusion! now admit your wrong!' nope, already ahead of you on that

We already know that there was collusion.

well it is..but that said, lets try to get focused on the question of if Russia actually did what the FBI said they did and not get lost in if its not a good thing to do or not.

@bigfootpart2: Um no we don't. Nobody has been convicted.

speaking of which

https://qz.com/1329272/us-department-of-justice-charged-national-rifle-association-associate-maria-butina-with-secretly-working-for-russia/

check out these gems

2013 when Trump was in russia

the affidavit quotes an October 2016 email from US person 1, telling an acquaintance that they had “been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key [Republican] leaders” through the gun rights organization.

Butina prepared her operation with the advice of “United States person 1,” whom she met in Moscow around 2013

@tryit: Ohhhh noos... its the Republicans and the NRA... they are all working with Putin.

but you want there to be 'no collusion' those quote are painfully clear to be collusion.

you can laugh about the facts only AFTER you stop denying them.

most of us on the left just want you guys to acknowledge the known facts as it currently stands and stop pretending like there is no way Trump himself could be involved.

I look for honesty, all that other stuff about 'is it really that bad?' I could actually AGREE with you on. but that conversation is not something I am going to have. facts only

Trump and Putin are 2 of the seven heads of the beast.

@narlymech: I am shook

@tryit: Denying the current facts? They leaked some emails for christ sakes. Thats the facts. Stop acting as if they hacked into the booth and changed the votes.

Yup, wake me up when they say someone changed actually votes. All we heard during the election that it was wrong to say that the election could be manipulated by outside force, now its all "Oh my goodness, Russia elected Trump."

The USA got the president it deserves. Its infatuation with Reality TV, social media, and playing side (this the biggest part of the issue) led to Trumps victory, that's the bottom line of it all.

you have claimed that the 12 indictments yesterday are likely to be false.

that is what we are focused on. you can not divert attention from that with me, its not even a nice try, you are not even being good at your tactics.

its failing

i would LOVE the day where you could make fun of democrats getting bent out of shape about Russia trying to affect the election.

that would be a dream come true, hell I might even join you in the ridicule but that would require you to admit that it happened.

that failure to admit that it even happened despite overwhelming evidence that it did is my battle.

Just be honest, its hella easier.

@tryit: Your reading comprehension and your ability to make shit up at all cost is baffiling to me. When did i deny the 12 indictments from yesterday?

then for the record use this opportunity to be clear and let us hear your view on the indictments

Admit what? That Russia may have hack the DNC? Oh, I definitely think that happened. I just don't care. It's measures that the USA takes all the time; heck they even the full way and just remove governments the don't like.

Not sure where you even got the idea that I thought any differently, I sure haven't posted anything like that here. Can you admit that you are generalizing, and bunching me in a group of which I may not belong?

nope not that. try again

@tryit: Ive told you in several post now that they are "most likely" true. At the end of the day we know what they actually acheived and that was to leak some emails. Whooptie fuckin doo!

and then there is this:

• In the unsealed indictment, the department accused Butina of conspiring to infiltrate American political groups and advance the agenda of the Kremlin through her network of high profile American contacts in politics and media.
• The indictment includes the first formal accusation against an American citizen of conspiring with the Russian government to influence the 2016 presidential election — and provides new details about the Russian government's attempts to curry favor among prominent Americans.

what is commonly refered to as 'collusion' is very likely true as well given the indicment, the only question is who.

and not for a second do i ever believe you think Trump dosent know anything, so these crappy statements of 'no evidence of Trump' is just an asbolute deal breaker for me on the issue of trusting The Right to speak the truth either on facts or what they believe.

I just heard it turns out this woman 1. knows Trump Jr. and 2. very likely knows Trump

Basically either Trump is a totally incompetent leader who has no idea what's being done in his name (what his supporters are arguing) or he's actively colluding. Neither is good.

side note, I just learned that Butina is known to have a meeting with Trump Jr. so she at min. knows him.

who is Person 1 is the question, the FBI knows and there is no way given the quote they have that she spoke to Person 1 and Person 1 didnt know what was up.

Lol. You are hilarious. It is funny how people like you have a hard time admitting when they are wrong, and even go so far to say someone else is wrong even when they are agreeing with you. No wonder you keep the pit Ed.

Trump needs to be removed from office.....NOW. It should be clear to anyone that he does NOT have the best interests of this country. No president should EVER side with a foreign government over their own..........not even an ally let alone an adversary.

@tryit: She posed as a leader of gun enthusiast group in russia to get support from the NRA. Unless the people knew she was working with the Kremlin that doesn't really link them.

@LJS9502_basic: Do you think the FBI is above reproach?

That has ZERO to do with an American president backing a foreign adversary. Also they interfered. Only a complete moron at this point doesn't accept that. You do accept that..........right?

Anyway let's not get into straw mans. Are you also backing Russia over the US?

so your saying the indictments are likely false.?

@tryit: Show me where I wrote that. I'll wait.

I am asking, not telling. you tell me

do you think the indictments are likely false? and dont give a troll answer like 'yeah the indictments do exist'

truth is always easier

Define interfered. That's the hang up I always have; did they stop people from voting, did they change people's vote, did they intimidate people at the polls? Those are interference, and I haven't seen any evidence of that happening.

read the indictments to find your answer

they really arent terribly long

@LJS9502_basic: It has everything to do with it. Shouldn't The President be able to criticize the FBI?