Trump sides with Russia against FBI at Helsinki summit

are we talking about life in Russia?

Yoga is illegal. and deciding to make something as benign as Yoga illegal kinda creeps me out.

@tryit: ok.. I had to look this up to see if this was true......oh heck wow....that's messed up.

I find it really odd that people here are defending US intelligence agency after all the crap they did, spying on US citizens, hacking servers of allied nations like Germany, sided with Hillary Clinton during the election campaign and actively leaked out information (again, which they recorded without anyone's consent) to leftists media outlets, fabricated the collusion story with Russia (and are STILL pushing for it even though there is 0.00000000 evidence of collusion), etc, US intelligence have a track record of lying to manipulate public opinion, But hey as long as its against Trump you guys are willing to forgive them huh? how pathetic, its 2018 and you're all still suffering Trump derangement syndrome, absolutely STUPID.

@Dark_sageX: it’s a relative game. You can sit there and bitch and moan and cry and parrot all the Right and Trump’s talking points, demeaning our side to take favor to a foreign one that what? Has the KGB? Is rife with human rights abuses? Yes, let’s compare track records of Russian intelligence to America’s, shall we?

Seriously, you’re going to side with Trump and Russia because of YOUR Liberal Derangement Syndrome? At least we’re not goddamn traitors simply to spite, you guys are far, far more wrapped up in derangement when you are complacent with supporting our “leader” who, at every opportunity, drops to his knees to suck off a known thug in the process, swallowing and then begging for seconds.

To the cheers on your side all the while criticizing ours.

the pickle is this

what we know appears by all accounts to be factual....and that is where the rub is.

what we know now is extremely compelling to find out more.....and frankly by any means necessary.

so political motivations, bad workmanship, forgetting to look at Hilliary or others is all interesting trivia but none of it will change facts, only how the facts are arrived at.

are you not interested in the facts?

If Trump or anyone on his team is ready to address the FACTS in question and show how they are incorrect, THEN I will listen. otherwise I dont care what the Right has to say

*opinions instead of facts.

exactly!

which is why I asked 'dont you want to know the facts' and not so much HOW the facts are acquired?

we now know a lot of facts, we know who was on his team, the names of those people, who they were related to, and what banks those relations owned, and who those banks made loans to and how much those loans where.

those are facts, not opinions. lets get more facts

I'm glad you just admitted to everything you posted in the last few months is BS.

*handshake*

"Its a relative game" lol sure whatever that makes you feel good.

Also I like how you completely glossed over the facts about the intelligence agency that I pointed out, about them being corrupt and having a track record of spying on people and misusing information, and then you turn around and call Trump a traitor because he didn't side with them, I mean how freaking stupid do you have to be to expect anyone to side with a group that ACTIVELY misuse their powers to serve their best interest? including sabotaging the presidency? again, Trump derangement syndrome at its finest, as long as its against Trump you are willing to forgive anybody and anything, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you had sided with people like ISIS just to get at Trump.

You realize you just contradicted yourself right? you say you care about facts (I'm honestly not convinced we both have the same understating of that term) and then you turn around and say you don't care what the right has to say, you just pointed out you only accept information that confirms your bias...

And i just pointed out the facts, the fact that the intelligence agency cannot be trusted, are you seriously gonna call Trump a traitor for not siding with liars? liars who again have actively worked to sabotage Trump and all his efforts?

He's a known shitposter/troll.

your right I have no ideas what the term means

moving forward, can you focus please on what I said?

FACTS: we have a persons actual name, we have evidence that said person worked offically on Trumps campaign, we know for a fact said person is the son in law of a russian oligarch. we know for a fact what was said in helsinki, we know and we know that is missing from the White House Transcripts in a way that is miss leading and we know for a fact the question and the answer is mising completely from Russian transcripts.

these are examples of what are known as facts. What is intresting that is NEVER I have EVER seen a person on the Right dispute the facts at face value and provide what they know as the actual facts. only how the facts are acquired

so for example the only way to dispute the missing question in the White House transcripts as non factual is to explain why the question exists everywhere else other than the white house transcripts

Trump is the president. Did he not take an oath to "Defend the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic"? Or was it, "Defend the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, depending on whether they stand in Trump's favor"? Because how freaking stupid do YOU have to be to believe this person, who is an obvious conman, who disregards facts outright, who lies through his teeth, has any genuine interest about the Intelligence Community's (along with the Presses) degree of integrity and honesty? The only reasons he pretends to are:

1) he feels they are a threat to the legitimacy of his election, i.e. his ego.

2) he fears something Russia may have on him, whether it be aiding him to win the election or financial dealings in the past. After this last summit, I think we're past the point of if and now it's only a matter of what. As I've said in a previous post, I'm hard pressed to believe collusion. What I find more likely is something to do with money, which risks exposing that Trump is a fraud and not nearly as successful as he proclaims. Considering his degree of narcissism and ego, that would be the end for him.

Now, are you honestly stupid and naive enough to believe he cares about our institutions past the point of how they serve him? Trump doesn't care for anything that doesn't involve Trump. If it's against him, it's "The enemy of the people!", "Terrible!", "FAKE!!!". If it's for him, it's "The greatest!", "Outstanding!", or "Terrific!!", even if he spoken ill of them just a week prior.

So if you want to claim that the IC is dishonest and cite their history, why don't you do so for Trump, who lies without compunction? Why do you give him the benefit of the doubt above them? I'll tell you why: because you're a partisan hack who suffers from Liberal Derangement Syndrome, to the extent you'll sell out America to spite them. When it's liar against liar, all's even, and all that's left is to pick a side. I'll pick America. You'll pick a foreign adversary and a "president" who has no interest in serving America but only himself. I think that says enough.

Alternative facts hasn’t been used in all of this?