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#151 LJS9502_basic
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@Xabiss said:
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Well if you want to be technical. They must seek asylum in the first country that offers it to them. Mexico offered asylum to all of them which they refused. You do not get to asylum shop the country you want, but you liberals tend to forget simple laws. Also Trump only closed the border for a few hours when they started acting up. That is the correct procedure to do when this happens. I didn't see you all complain when Obama tear gassed people on the border in 2013 so please stop already!

Also storming the border is not the way to you seek asylum. Throwing rocks and bottles at agents is another way you do not seek asylum. Remember Mexico arrested over 60 of these people for doing this so they are already breaking laws. So please stop pretending you know anything about asylum law and again quit using the racist shtick it is getting old. People like you always use this argument when you do not have any good points. Creating false narratives to prove points.

I have already said if these people do it in the correct manner I am more then happy for them to come to America.

Mexico has problems. What if you need asylum from Mexico?

Well by asylum laws you must take the first place that offers it to you. Then if you still have issues then you can seek asylum somewhere else, but you must become a resident first. Mexico is not in the shape that allows their population to ask for asylum so stop already. Not saying it is the perfect place to live, but come on man it is a vacation spot for many people.

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#152 Xabiss
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I think at this point we can see the lack of critical thinking on the left. They don't care about the issues any more they just care that "Orange man bad" because the media told them so. From there nothing is off the table.

Breaking the law. Laws are fascist.

The country exercising it's national sovereignty by protecting it's borders. Nations and borders are fascist.

They are so unhinged and anti-american at this point, that i'm not sure the US will ever be the same.

At this point they can be convinced of just about anything, by saying three words"Orange man, bad."

Also don't forget Obama's border patrol used tear gas on the border in 2013 and I didn't hear or see any outcry. We have to protect our borders at all cost and people must enter this country legally. If these people were being peaceful then why is Mexico sending over 100 of them back for throwing rocks and breaking the law?

I can care less if these immigrants come into the country as long as they do it legally. Also if we let them storm the border and enter the country where the heck are they going to go, stay, live, and find work?

Your question has already been answered. They tried to enter this country legally, but the Trump administration closed the border crossings where they were supposed to present themselves. Further, under U.S. asylum law, it doesn't matter where you enter or how you enter. Asylum claims are supposed to disregard point of entry in their consideration of applicants. So stop pretending this is all about holding to the letter of the law and just admit you don't want brown people in the country.

Well if you want to be technical. They must seek asylum in the first country that offers it to them. Mexico offered asylum to all of them which they refused. You do not get to asylum shop the country you want, but you liberals tend to forget simple laws. Also Trump only closed the border for a few hours when they started acting up. That is the correct procedure to do when this happens. I didn't see you all complain when Obama tear gassed people on the border in 2013 so please stop already!

Also storming the border is not the way to you seek asylum. Throwing rocks and bottles at agents is another way you do not seek asylum. Remember Mexico arrested over 60 of these people for doing this so they are already breaking laws. So please stop pretending you know anything about asylum law and again quit using the racist shtick it is getting old. People like you always use this argument when you do not have any good points. Creating false narratives to prove points.

I have already said if these people do it in the correct manner I am more then happy for them to come to America.

Wrong again. I'm sensing a pattern here.

They do not have to seek asylum in the first country that offers it to them. The country in which they are applying CAN consider whether or not they can reasonably be accepted for asylum in a country that has offered it to them. One of the conditions, though, is that they have to have a reasonable guarantee of safety and that the first country is able to host them in humane conditions, neither of which is the case with Mexico. Also, this is a provision of international law and in no way does Mexico offering asylum have any bearing on their ability to seek asylum in the U.S. under U.S. law.

As I've already stated multiple times, the Trump administration was closing border crossings and turning away migrants who presented themselves at border crossings long before they rushed the border.

Admit it, you don't care about whether the process adheres to the letter of the law, you don't want brown people in the country.

Again back to racist shtick. You have no right to call anyone a racist and it just shows that you are a poor excuse for a human for doing so. You are just another liberal idiot that doesn't have a good point to make so you go right to everyone is being a racist. I still have not heard one person get pissed when Obama did the same thing in 2013. Guess what I supported Obama when he did it also.

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#153 TryIt
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@Xabiss said:
@theone86 said:
@Xabiss said:
@theone86 said:
@Xabiss said:

Also don't forget Obama's border patrol used tear gas on the border in 2013 and I didn't hear or see any outcry. We have to protect our borders at all cost and people must enter this country legally. If these people were being peaceful then why is Mexico sending over 100 of them back for throwing rocks and breaking the law?

I can care less if these immigrants come into the country as long as they do it legally. Also if we let them storm the border and enter the country where the heck are they going to go, stay, live, and find work?

Your question has already been answered. They tried to enter this country legally, but the Trump administration closed the border crossings where they were supposed to present themselves. Further, under U.S. asylum law, it doesn't matter where you enter or how you enter. Asylum claims are supposed to disregard point of entry in their consideration of applicants. So stop pretending this is all about holding to the letter of the law and just admit you don't want brown people in the country.

Well if you want to be technical. They must seek asylum in the first country that offers it to them. Mexico offered asylum to all of them which they refused. You do not get to asylum shop the country you want, but you liberals tend to forget simple laws. Also Trump only closed the border for a few hours when they started acting up. That is the correct procedure to do when this happens. I didn't see you all complain when Obama tear gassed people on the border in 2013 so please stop already!

Also storming the border is not the way to you seek asylum. Throwing rocks and bottles at agents is another way you do not seek asylum. Remember Mexico arrested over 60 of these people for doing this so they are already breaking laws. So please stop pretending you know anything about asylum law and again quit using the racist shtick it is getting old. People like you always use this argument when you do not have any good points. Creating false narratives to prove points.

I have already said if these people do it in the correct manner I am more then happy for them to come to America.

Wrong again. I'm sensing a pattern here.

They do not have to seek asylum in the first country that offers it to them. The country in which they are applying CAN consider whether or not they can reasonably be accepted for asylum in a country that has offered it to them. One of the conditions, though, is that they have to have a reasonable guarantee of safety and that the first country is able to host them in humane conditions, neither of which is the case with Mexico. Also, this is a provision of international law and in no way does Mexico offering asylum have any bearing on their ability to seek asylum in the U.S. under U.S. law.

As I've already stated multiple times, the Trump administration was closing border crossings and turning away migrants who presented themselves at border crossings long before they rushed the border.

Admit it, you don't care about whether the process adheres to the letter of the law, you don't want brown people in the country.

Again back to racist shtick. You have no right to call anyone a racist and it just shows that you are a poor excuse for a human for doing so. You are just another liberal idiot that doesn't have a good point to make so you go right to everyone is being a racist. I still have not heard one person get pissed when Obama did the same thing in 2013. Guess what I supported Obama when he did it also.

I am currently in a conversation that goes into depth as to what is white culture, what is black culture, what attributes apply to each etc

I think it would do everyone great favors if people who are concerned about racism would define the word for us all. am I currently having a racist conversation with this person because we are parsing on race? or is it only if I say 'brown people' what is the demark?

finally

https://hellogiggles.com/news/paula-reid-cbs-called-out-donald-trump/

Obama had a separation policy,” Trump said. “We all had the same policy.”

But Reid didn’t let the president’s claims go unchecked.

"You did not have sir," she replied, "No you didn't.

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@Xabiss said:
@theone86 said:
@n64dd said:
@theone86 said:
@Xabiss said:

Also don't forget Obama's border patrol used tear gas on the border in 2013 and I didn't hear or see any outcry. We have to protect our borders at all cost and people must enter this country legally. If these people were being peaceful then why is Mexico sending over 100 of them back for throwing rocks and breaking the law?

I can care less if these immigrants come into the country as long as they do it legally. Also if we let them storm the border and enter the country where the heck are they going to go, stay, live, and find work?

Your question has already been answered. They tried to enter this country legally, but the Trump administration closed the border crossings where they were supposed to present themselves. Further, under U.S. asylum law, it doesn't matter where you enter or how you enter. Asylum claims are supposed to disregard point of entry in their consideration of applicants. So stop pretending this is all about holding to the letter of the law and just admit you don't want brown people in the country.

So anybody could claim asylum and just come in.

Yes. Problem?

No you can't just say I need asylum and it be granted. My god you people are idiots!

That's not what I said. What's that saying about people in glass houses again? People are allowed to make asylum claims regardless of how they entered the country and it is not supposed to affect their claim. If their claim is denied, however, then deportation proceedings can begin.

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#155 Jacanuk
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Xabiss said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Xabiss said:

Well if you want to be technical. They must seek asylum in the first country that offers it to them. Mexico offered asylum to all of them which they refused. You do not get to asylum shop the country you want, but you liberals tend to forget simple laws. Also Trump only closed the border for a few hours when they started acting up. That is the correct procedure to do when this happens. I didn't see you all complain when Obama tear gassed people on the border in 2013 so please stop already!

Also storming the border is not the way to you seek asylum. Throwing rocks and bottles at agents is another way you do not seek asylum. Remember Mexico arrested over 60 of these people for doing this so they are already breaking laws. So please stop pretending you know anything about asylum law and again quit using the racist shtick it is getting old. People like you always use this argument when you do not have any good points. Creating false narratives to prove points.

I have already said if these people do it in the correct manner I am more then happy for them to come to America.

Mexico has problems. What if you need asylum from Mexico?

Well by asylum laws you must take the first place that offers it to you. Then if you still have issues then you can seek asylum somewhere else, but you must become a resident first. Mexico is not in the shape that allows their population to ask for asylum so stop already. Not saying it is the perfect place to live, but come on man it is a vacation spot for many people.

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There is no international law or US law that states that refugees have to seek asylum in the first country they come to, there is, however, an EU agreement within the EU from Dublin that states that asylum seekers are to apply in the first country they come to and are registered.

So he may be confusing that with a international law.

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When the Europeans migrated to the US in mass before they could get on the ships they had to pass a medical exam and a physical exam to show they would be able to work to support themselves. The also had to explain why they wanted to come to the United States, promise to learn English and be loyal to the United States. If they failed any part of the testes they could not come to the United States. Once the arrived at Ellis Island the tests were conducted again and if the failed they were sent back and the shipping line they arrived on had to pay for their way back. About 2% of those arriving in the US failed and were sent back. Now people are flooding across the southern boarder and think they have right to enter the United States. There are currently 157 different languages being spoken in the NY City Schools. Many of these people are on the public dole instead of working. There are many people in this latest caravan with serious diseases. Also from 1920 until 1965 the US stopped all mass immigration into the United Sates to allow the people to be assimilated into our culture. Until our immigration laws are changed there can be no right of amnesty for these immigrates including Dreamers. In 1986 we granted amnesty to two million illegal immigrants with the promise from congress they would change the immigration laws that never happened. Now we have in excess of eleven million illegal immigrants in the country seeking amnesty now. You think we would learn from history.

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@JimB said:

When the Europeans migrated to the US in mass before they could get on the ships they had to pass a medical exam and a physical exam to show they would be able to work to support themselves. The also had to explain why they wanted to come to the United States, promise to learn English and be loyal to the United States. If they failed any part of the testes they could not come to the United States. Once the arrived at Ellis Island the tests were conducted again and if the failed they were sent back and the shipping line they arrived on had to pay for their way back. About 2% of those arriving in the US failed and were sent back. Now people are flooding across the southern boarder and think they have right to enter the United States. There are currently 157 different languages being spoken in the NY City Schools. Many of these people are on the public dole instead of working. There are many people in this latest caravan with serious diseases. Also from 1920 until 1965 the US stopped all mass immigration into the United Sates to allow the people to be assimilated into our culture. Until our immigration laws are changed there can be no right of amnesty for these immigrates including Dreamers. In 1986 we granted amnesty to two million illegal immigrants with the promise from congress they would change the immigration laws that never happened. Now we have in excess of eleven million illegal immigrants in the country seeking amnesty now. You think we would learn from history.

If you want to learn from history.........the invaders won.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

When the Europeans migrated to the US in mass before they could get on the ships they had to pass a medical exam and a physical exam to show they would be able to work to support themselves. The also had to explain why they wanted to come to the United States, promise to learn English and be loyal to the United States. If they failed any part of the testes they could not come to the United States. Once the arrived at Ellis Island the tests were conducted again and if the failed they were sent back and the shipping line they arrived on had to pay for their way back. About 2% of those arriving in the US failed and were sent back. Now people are flooding across the southern boarder and think they have right to enter the United States. There are currently 157 different languages being spoken in the NY City Schools. Many of these people are on the public dole instead of working. There are many people in this latest caravan with serious diseases. Also from 1920 until 1965 the US stopped all mass immigration into the United Sates to allow the people to be assimilated into our culture. Until our immigration laws are changed there can be no right of amnesty for these immigrates including Dreamers. In 1986 we granted amnesty to two million illegal immigrants with the promise from congress they would change the immigration laws that never happened. Now we have in excess of eleven million illegal immigrants in the country seeking amnesty now. You think we would learn from history.

If you want to learn from history.........the invaders won.

The invaders are winning now. They don't want to become Americans they want to change to country to the countries they came from.

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@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

If you want to learn from history.........the invaders won.

The invaders are winning now. They don't want to become Americans they want to change to country to the countries they came from.

Turn off Fox News..........

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This is not from FOX News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJaAfBOya6Q

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@JimB: Youtube.....nah.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@JimB: Youtube.....nah.

So we can ignore everything on youtube? Must be fake news if it's on youtube?

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It's about time we have a president that actually defends Americans. This illegal immigration problem, with millions of illegal aliens taking jobs, welfare, housing, etc, in this country, has been going on for decades. No U.S. president would do a permanent thing about it. It's only Trump who mentioned building a wall, deporting them all, ending food stamps, having more immigration from Norway, having merit-based immigration, etc.

Unfortunately, Trump is correct and says what most people actually think. No president prior to Trump said these things, even though they obviously needed to be said for years now. Without Trump, the country would just keep getting worse and worse and worse. Trump wants it to turn around for the better.

I'm 30. The only time I voted for a president in my life, was for Trump. I voted for him because of what he said he'd do. I won't vote for a candidate if they aren't like Trump. Trump says the best things a president of the U.S. has said in my lifetime. In real life, I've noticed the type of things Trump mentioned for the better part of my life.