War in Ukraine. Did the West handle the post Cold War era badly?

Yawn. Still overusing the word for melodramtic bullshit. Don't complain when people tune it out and stop caring.

Also, you did call her a facist, not a para-fascist on several posts, doubled down on it, and tried to argue the position that she is a straight up fascist. So, you may want to remember what you said before claiming you didn't say it. You're just the boy who cried "fascist" so stop crying when people have stopped listening. That's on you, and people like you.

Look at the context I used the word. And afterwards, look at the other posts I made in that thread. Where I described her as the less generalized, and more specific word for most of that thread.

Also, this is woefully off-topic. Don't derail threads. This discussion is far more important than your semantics nonsense.

Edit: Try to read between the lines on the bolded part. And see how it might entail to the para-fascist label I used. I know you are the Glass Joe of this board, but stop it with the Gotcha attempts already, it is getting old and contributes nothing to discussion.

Yeah, I don't think you ever used the word "para" once. You said what you said. You got called out for it. Own it. And maybe if you people stopped crying Nazi whenever you don't get your way, the word would still have meaning.

Use CTRL-F in that thread. And nobody was crying Nazi.

Stop derailing this thread with your false accusations, seriously.

@Maroxad: You are having this conversation with someone who in the last few weeks, while was arguing with you about Le Pen not being a fascist, posted on another topic about "nazi feminists" (or nazi environmentalists, I can't quite recall"). I wish people stopped engaging whith people who are either mentally ill or professional trolls.

I just find it amusing how his reading comprehension si this poor. But yeah I am glad that discussion is over. The derailing he attempts in virtually every thread is getting ridicilous.

Even if he was right, he isn't. There is a huge differerence between Le Pen, and Sweden. And a huge difference in the consequences of such. Russia has been eyeing sweden and finland for a while, want the islands for strategic purposes. And we both know their use of Nazi allegations in propaganda to justify war.

Meanwhile, Le Pen tried suing those calling her a fascist, got shot down by courts.

Edit: Here is the story I was thinking of.

@Maroxad: His track record is vast when it comes to weird stuff, just recently the Boolean thing, from someone who "studies programming", show that his ability to actually retain any knowledge is extremely limited. What's the point of aguing with a person who can't processes information in a logical way, or is just a full time troll?

As for the constant derailing, I'm sure that's against forum rules.

Wait... he is studying programming >_> Is he one of those self taught programmers? If so that would explain a lot.

I think he legit believes the stuff he says. There is a screenshot in Conker's Bad Fur Day I wanted to share with him. It is from the Barn chapter when conker asks the pitch fork a question, you probably know which one (if you played the game) :P

@Maroxad: Even if you use YouTube as a leaning tool there's no way someone will teach you a Boolean is not a variable.

If he believes in what he says that I'm sorry but that's some serious cognitive issues. How else someone is complaining that the term "fascist" was vulgarized and then post in another thread complaining about "feminist Nazis, environmental Nazis or wtv Nazis". I wholeheartedly want to believe it's just trolling because otherwise is just sad.

I haven't played it. Started it recently but didn't click.

Well it certainly could be trolling. Either way he is being incredibly tribal. Funny how he accuses others of being tribal though.

Don't forget, this is one of those guys on this board who cite sources that refute his central narrative because one line can be interpreted as agreeing with him. He has been citing NASA in his climate denial.

But yeah he is woefully inconsistant and self-contradictory, almost like he doesnt really know what he believes in, other than opposing the left. He certainly doesnt believe in Realpolitik, considering his anti-empirical stance, this guy works backwards to justify his conclusions.

His convictions are extremely weak. In one thread he opposes me calling me a collectivist, only to shift from a libertarian/individualist take to a populist one after it became obvious I was criticizing big government regulations. Becoming exactly that which he accused me of being.

I dont blame you Gameplaywise, Rareware 3d platformers werent that great. Not really having the depth of Super Mario 64. Conker's was arguably the least impressive gameplaywise, but the humor of the game carried it hard.

Looks like Benjamin Rich, the UK Bald and Bankrupt Youtuber, has been detained at the Baikonur Cosmodrome Russian space centre in Kazakhstan. He's apparently being investigated over "organising illegal acts", which, for anyone who follows his channel, will probably sound quite uncharacteristic.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61365446

From what I've seen, the guy's always been pretty respectful and culturally sympathetic in his travelogues in former Soviet regions, so just maybe this investigation will get resolved quickly.

*edit* Turns out it was all a simple misunderstanding. ;D

Love to see it.

IMO, either a personal protest (knew what would happen, but still came out) or gonna be used for their internal propaganda: "Look, how those damned Nazis we are fighting against are persecuting us abroad!"

A prize lost.

@uninspiredcup: I picture a trail of abandoned washing machines as they retreat back to Russia.

@uninspiredcup: Was just reading about it. Kasparov's take on this is interesting. He says that something like this can only exist on Russian TV if it's authorized. Why is such criticism being allowed on state TV and who authorized it?

@ghost_of_phobos: It's odd, cause when he starts saying this stuff Olga Skabeyeva jumps like a cat trying to recontextualize it.

Not sure if it's an attempt at feigning discussion or some genuine weird shit happening.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10809829/Ukraine-war-Putin-purges-army-brass-Gerasimov-suspended.html

Putin's 'purge': Russia's top commander Valery Gerasimov 'is suspended' while a clutch of other generals 'have been sacked or arrested' over Ukraine invasion blunders, Kyiv claims

• Oleksiy Arestovych, a veteran of military intelligence and top adviser to Zelensky, has claimed that General Valery Gerasimov - chief of staff of the Russian armed forces - has been suspended
• He also claimed that Lieutenant General Sergei Kisel has been fired and arrested after retreat from Kharkiv
• Two more Russian army generals and two naval commanders have either been sacked, arrested or investigated over battlefield losses, according to information from Ukraine's interior ministry
• If confirmed, it would mark the largest purge of military upper ranks since Putin invaded Ukraine in February

Hahahaha...... Life is funny.

Is that real?

It is.

@SOedipus: could say the same for biden.

Russia continues to demonstrate why we consider their military to be a joke and have done so for decades now.

Yes,

@Maroxad:

@Maroxad: yeah I watched that clip last night. Great seeing our hypocrisy on full display.. minus the people in the crowd just laughing at it like they are at a comedy club.

I wonder how the US government would have reacted if Russia was funding Iraq with 50+ billion in military equipment to fight the US invasion.

He just gave Russia a gift, nice one.

The evil Nazis threatening to take Russia are being trained by Jews. Good gollys.

In the news here I am hearing a few different things now.

Russia plan to win this war by simply keeping it going until the West stops supporting Ukraine.

Russia is running low on recruiting younger personnel and therefore has gone to recruit old retired people who wants to fight.

Putin was operated for cancer in April

Some of the more extreme pro-Putin propaganda commentators are calling it more than a "special operation". Most likely want to get the people behind them even more on this war in order to boost the military.

Russia are also deploying T62 tanks allegedly.

Those things are 60 years old.

Well they got to deploy what the army has training in. Deploying 60 year old folks, gotta get some old tanks out as well.

Is this western propaganda? I guess so. Hoping by throwing as many Jews at the problem as possible will make it go away. But no, it doesn't, it doesn't negate the issue, it doesn't matter how many Jews are sacrificed. Reminisent of "I'm not a racist, i have black friends".

I guess people never get why it is "historically significant", that in a european country that claims to defend western values, former SS formations are being publicly honored and a NeoNazi Brigade is armed to teeth. There has to be significant support and ignorance in the ukrainian population and government over an extended period of time for this to be possible.

It's ironic. Some people claim nationalism, Hitlerism, right wing extremism is on the rise, and we all should be afraid, and then there are actually openly organized militant NeoNazis and what is the reaction? "NAH man, that just Putin Propaganda, oh you're putin understander, shame on you, bla bla bla".

No, they are literally being trained by Jews and being given weapons by them.

Been over this a billion times now, but the actual extremist (as in Nazis) of Ukraine is basically non-existent.

It was a method (ironically like Hitler with the Jews) to de-humanize them, and justify that country he thought he would own by now which he doesn't and never did consider a country.

Although Russia currently does cover about 20%, which isn't good. But holding it is a different matter.

Should EU or Nato do something about Russia blocking shipments of corn coming out from Ukraine?

Edit: grain might be more correct.

Short of military intervention (suggested a while back by Lithuania in some summit to physically remove the blockades with military ships), I don't see how can it be done, cause international soft-law does not work in general.

Those are members of the Azov Battalion in the video you posted... right...

You can be over it a billion times and one. Since you know very little, your efforts are in vain.

US just sent another $40 billion to toss away in that mess, most of which is just going to land in the pockets of oligarchs or be spent on weaponry that will find it's way to being sold on the black market. Any NATO response should certainly not include us at this point.

@eoten: i guess trump would have probably surrender and let Ukraine and subsequently taiwan be invaded and taken.

This guys has a fascinating channel. Interesting hearing from a Russian who isn't like, brainwashed to shit.

@uninspiredcup: there is another channel called 1420 where they basically interview pedestrians about contemporary topics including the war.

Old people repeat the government message very consistently. For young people its more of a mixed bag.

https://youtu.be/Q-FxIEmnZkA

@uninspiredcup: I had a russian classmate in middle school. Her views on Russia seems to align very much with that YouTuber.

US didn’t send 40 billion in cash.

He's just making baseless assertions with nothing to back it up.

@horgen: we have given over 50 billion in equipment and weapons in aid to Ukraine.

If Ukraine looses we should get a refund.

But we won't. Shouldn't have given them anything.

Of course not, they send $40 billion in products produced by companies they're invested in or receive kickbacks from. When they send cash it gets pocketed by the oligarchs that run the Ukrainian government, never to be seen again unless it's kicked back to the family member of some US politician that got them the money in the first place.

It's $40 billion robbed from all US citizens and will only go to benefit a few elites. So whether or not you think it'll help Ukraine is irrelevant. So far the US has given more than ALL European countries combined, for something that is your problem, not ours. At this point NATO is like having roommates, but you're the only one paying the bills. Americans have done more than enough, more than you, or the rest of Europe will ever do. This chart is a disgrace.

I would argue that investing in Ukraine has been an excellent geopolitical move. They are handily kicking Russia's ass, and handing weapons to Ukraine so they would deal with russia is far cheaper, both in dollars and US lives, than dealing with a Russia that has annexed a bunch of east European countries.

How much did the US spend on Afghanistan again? That was an impoverished country, a not military might. 25 billion USD is pocket change compared to the 800 billion spent on that war.

Not to mention, bread. Ukraine has been important for their wheat exports.

If it's such a great move, how much has your country invested? How much has the EU invested? This is another case of the United States having to solve problems created in Europe, by Europe, for Europe, while Europeans do nothing but sit on their collective asses and demand we do more.

We're already more than $50 billion into it and it just isn't good enough for you people. You demand more.