White Nationalist Rally at University of Virginia.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brawl-broke-hundreds-white-nationalists-141934127.html

Hundreds of white nationalists/alt-right babies marched with torches(never a good sign) through university of Virginia. They were doing it in preparation of a unite the right rally.

What do you guys think of this?

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#2  Edited By deactivated-5c03000d4b1b4
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i was watching it live on periscope last night. richard was shouting that Japanese/Asians want to look white at Emily Gorcenski. There is a video of Emily in tears after last night event.

i also heard white supremacist shouting something last night that was hard to hear, it sounded like they were shouting "jew will not replace us", but i think they were shouting "you will not replace us"

when this is all over, richard will say in an interview "nothing racist here"

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#3  Edited By deactivated-5c03000d4b1b4
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Richard bragging about how he surrounded emily and protesters

https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/896212848828981249

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lol America. What a country.

No surprise things like this happen when there are literal white nationalists and supremacists in the White House.

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This is the fallout from Republicans dividing the nation to stay in power.

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#7  Edited By deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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well lesson to be learned for people who lacks social awareness.

Any push from one extreme will lead to the pushback from another. Is anyone really surprised given the last few year of extreme far less focus? No? Good.

We can hope that people figure out that leaning too far into one direction is pure poison and creates what they fear. So lets watch if the US decides to keep rocking the boat and let the nation drown, or grow enough sense as to sit down and think before trying to drown themselves.

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Several counter protesters were run over by a car. My sympathies are with the victims and I wish them all a speedy recovery.

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@Maroxad: nice pun

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@Maddie_Larkin said:

well lesson to be learned for people who lacks social awareness.

Any push from one extreme will lead to the pushback from another. Is anyone really surprised given the last few year of extreme far less focus? No? Good.

We can hope that people figure out that leaning too far into one direction is pure poison and creates what they fear. So lets watch if the US decides to keep rocking the boat and let the nation drown, or grow enough sense as to sit down and think before trying to drown themselves.

Yep, these embolded neo nazi didn't have any choice.

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@perfect_blue said:

lol America. What a country.

No surprise things like this happen when there are literal white nationalists and supremacists in the White House.

Yeah, and the scum who hypes these losers are just gonna sit their and ignore it

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@narutosup said:

Richard bragging about how he surrounded emily and protesters

https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/896212848828981249

Head scum bag

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#13 Jacanuk
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@Mercenary848 said:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brawl-broke-hundreds-white-nationalists-141934127.html

Hundreds of white nationalists/alt-right babies marched with torches(never a good sign) through university of Virginia. They were doing it in preparation of a unite the right rally.

What do you guys think of this?

I think they have the right to demonstrate like any other group.

It's a right everyone has in a western democracy.

Remember freedom of speech does not not mean anyone has to listen.

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@Jacanuk said:
@Mercenary848 said:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brawl-broke-hundreds-white-nationalists-141934127.html

Hundreds of white nationalists/alt-right babies marched with torches(never a good sign) through university of Virginia. They were doing it in preparation of a unite the right rally.

What do you guys think of this?

I think they have the right to demonstrate like any other group.

It's a right everyone has in a western democracy.

Remember freedom of speech does not not mean anyone has to listen.

Yeah, like the Weimar Republic, right? How did they turn up again?

You threaten a person, you go to jail. Threaten a group of people, you go to jail.

Simple. No tolerance for racist scum.

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#15 Jacanuk
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@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:
@Mercenary848 said:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brawl-broke-hundreds-white-nationalists-141934127.html

Hundreds of white nationalists/alt-right babies marched with torches(never a good sign) through university of Virginia. They were doing it in preparation of a unite the right rally.

What do you guys think of this?

I think they have the right to demonstrate like any other group.

It's a right everyone has in a western democracy.

Remember freedom of speech does not not mean anyone has to listen.

Yeah, like the Weimar Republic, right? How did they turn up again?

You threaten a person, you go to jail. Threaten a group of people, you go to jail.

Simple. No tolerance for racist scum.

You mean like no tolerance for far leftist scum who occupy wall street or smash up the cities or go crazy like during the G21 summit.

Free speech is free speech and again no one is forced to listen.

And almost correct with the last bit, if you break the law you do the time.

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Those alt-right nationalists are scum, what they are doing over there is disgusting.

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@Jacanuk said:

You mean like no tolerance for far leftist scum who occupy wall street or smash up the cities or go crazy like during the G21 summit.

Free speech is free speech and again no one is forced to listen.

And almost correct with the last bit, if you break the law you do the time.

lol Let me break it down to you, barney-style:

Spouting hateful rhetoric against a group of people with traits that are uncontrollable (race, color, creed, orientation) is vastly different than breaking shop windows. And if you paid attention, you'd realize that violent protesters - right or left - usually get arrested. No one is tolerating violence or spouting violent rhetoric, nor should they.

However, your comment "Free speech is free speech, and again no one is forced to listen." is bullshit. People will listen anyways. People listened during the Weimar Republic. People listened before the Rwanda Genocide. People listened before they carried out violent terrorist attacks against churches, mosques, Christians, Muslims, Jews, gays, and so on.

It spreads like a cancer.

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#18  Edited By nepu7supastar7
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@Jacanuk:

You have a point. If we are to defend freedom of speech, we need to defend what negative thoughts that may follow. Still, seeing Nazi swastikas and confederate flags waving around does ring some alarm bells. Blacks protested for equality back then, supposedly whites are protesting against political correction which was put in place so that everyone would play nice.

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Just like the oregan ranchers who took over a government building with guns, the system goes so easy onn these right wing crazies

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Alt right loons need to die off. They represent everything wrong with this country. If i could push a button to make them disappear, my finger would be bloody.

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The white nationalist who hit counter protesters with his car was arrested

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#22 Jacanuk
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@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:

You mean like no tolerance for far leftist scum who occupy wall street or smash up the cities or go crazy like during the G21 summit.

Free speech is free speech and again no one is forced to listen.

And almost correct with the last bit, if you break the law you do the time.

lol Let me break it down to you, barney-style:

Spouting hateful rhetoric against a group of people with traits that are uncontrollable (race, color, creed, orientation) is vastly different than breaking shop windows. And if you paid attention, you'd realize that violent protesters - right or left - usually get arrested. No one is tolerating violence or spouting violent rhetoric, nor should they.

However, your comment "Free speech is free speech, and again no one is forced to listen." is bullshit. People will listen anyways. People listened during the Weimar Republic. People listened before the Rwanda Genocide. People listened before they carried out violent terrorist attacks against churches, mosques, Christians, Muslims, Jews, gays, and so on.

It spreads like a cancer.

You can break it down however you like. It does not change the facts.

If you want free speech for the left you can´t deny it for the right, simple as. I do not give a fudge about if it's hateful speech from the morons with nazi flags or it´s the far left nutjobs who smash a city to bits because they are just there to smash things.

What you can do is fight the hateful speech by using your right to free speech , it's not any harder than that, and sure it may spread like cancer, but that is nothing to do with the free speech, it´s because there will always be idiots in the world.

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#23 Jacanuk
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@killered3 said:

@Jacanuk:

You have a point. If we are to defend freedom of speech, we need to defend what negative thoughts that may follow. Still, seeing Nazi swastikas and confederate flags waving around does ring some alarm bells. Blacks protested for equality back then, supposedly whites are protesting against political correction which was put in place so that everyone would play nice.

I agree 100% seeing those nutjobs with nazi flags and swastikas is horrible but Free speech is free speech and if we want to claim free speech we also have to grant it to others despite not liking what they use it for. Equal rights and all.

Also not everyone has the same problem with those flags, after all remove the main nazi logo and put in a windows logo and steam and even Gamespot is ok with it.

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#24  Edited By doomdizzle
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@Jacanuk said:
@killered3 said:

@Jacanuk:

You have a point. If we are to defend freedom of speech, we need to defend what negative thoughts that may follow. Still, seeing Nazi swastikas and confederate flags waving around does ring some alarm bells. Blacks protested for equality back then, supposedly whites are protesting against political correction which was put in place so that everyone would play nice.

I agree 100% seeing those nutjobs with nazi flags and swastikas is horrible but Free speech is free speech and if we want to claim free speech we also have to grant it to others despite not liking what they use it for. Equal rights and all.

Also not everyone has the same problem with those flags, after all remove the main nazi logo and put in a windows logo and steam and even Gamespot is ok with it.

What about the ones committing acts of terrorism driving cars through people?

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#25  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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And the nationalist in chief refuses to condemn it.............man he sucks....

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#26  Edited By nintendoboy16  Online
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"But... but... fake news! It's only the left that's violent. But... Berekley and Milo."

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@Jacanuk said:

I think they have the right to demonstrate like any other group.

It's a right everyone has in a western democracy.

Remember freedom of speech does not not mean anyone has to listen.

Shhhhh don't say that too loud . Certain persuasions only support such exercising of rights IF they agree with the message.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

And the nationalist in chief refuses to condemn it.............man he sucks....

Are you not supposed to be part of the tolerable left?

lol @ calling Trump a white nationalist.

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@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

And the nationalist in chief refuses to condemn it.............man he sucks....

Are you not supposed to be part of the tolerable left?

lol @ calling Trump a white nationalist.

I call them like I see it..........there is more evidence he is than isn't..............

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@Mercenary848 said:
@Maddie_Larkin said:

well lesson to be learned for people who lacks social awareness.

Any push from one extreme will lead to the pushback from another. Is anyone really surprised given the last few year of extreme far less focus? No? Good.

We can hope that people figure out that leaning too far into one direction is pure poison and creates what they fear. So lets watch if the US decides to keep rocking the boat and let the nation drown, or grow enough sense as to sit down and think before trying to drown themselves.

Yep, these embolded neo nazi didn't have any choice.

Yeah, the US deserves the alt-right and white-nationalists for being liberal like a woman deserves to get raped for dressing scantily.

hint: neither of them deserve it

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@Mercenary848 said:
@Maddie_Larkin said:

well lesson to be learned for people who lacks social awareness.

Any push from one extreme will lead to the pushback from another. Is anyone really surprised given the last few year of extreme far less focus? No? Good.

We can hope that people figure out that leaning too far into one direction is pure poison and creates what they fear. So lets watch if the US decides to keep rocking the boat and let the nation drown, or grow enough sense as to sit down and think before trying to drown themselves.

Yep, these embolded neo nazi didn't have any choice.

Yeah, the US deserves the alt-right and white-nationalists for being liberal like a woman deserves to get raped for dressing scantily.

hint: neither of them deserve it

Exactly. The only people who aren't responsible for their actions in America are angry jack offs

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#32  Edited By OmniChris
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@nintendoboy16 said:

"But... but... fake news! It's only the left that's violent. But... Berekley and Milo."

The left was there though in full force doing what they do best, pepper spraying people, bludgeoning people, throwing bricks at skulls. It's all there on youtube. Full photographic and video evidence and a shit load of witnesses. Although the MSM refuses to report it of course. Trumps response was that there was violence on all sides of the field. That seems like a correct assessment to me. If he's going to denounce white supremacist groups, then it's only fair to do the same with hate filled, racist and violent groups like Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

Also for some reason the police where there but doing absolutely nothing to calm down the situation until after a car plowed through loads of people.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

And the nationalist in chief refuses to condemn it.............man he sucks....

Are you not supposed to be part of the tolerable left?

lol @ calling Trump a white nationalist.

I call them like I see it..........there is more evidence he is than isn't..............

Only if you are a moron do you believe that Trump is a white nationalist.

Trump is a opportunist nothing else.

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

And the nationalist in chief refuses to condemn it.............man he sucks....

Are you not supposed to be part of the tolerable left?

lol @ calling Trump a white nationalist.

I call them like I see it..........there is more evidence he is than isn't..............

Only if you are a moron do you believe that Trump is a white nationalist.

Trump is a opportunist nothing else.

Trump is a classic racist dude. It's a shame you can't see that.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

And the nationalist in chief refuses to condemn it.............man he sucks....

Wow, that was stupid.

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#36  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@SOedipus said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

And the nationalist in chief refuses to condemn it.............man he sucks....

Wow, that was stupid.

You spelled accurate incorrectly.

But yeah your post was stupid. Better luck next time.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@SOedipus said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

And the nationalist in chief refuses to condemn it.............man he sucks....

Wow, that was stupid.

You spelled accurate incorrectly.

But yeah your post was stupid. Better luck next time.

I don't need luck with your posts.

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#38  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@SOedipus said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@SOedipus said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

And the nationalist in chief refuses to condemn it.............man he sucks....

Wow, that was stupid.

You spelled accurate incorrectly.

But yeah your post was stupid. Better luck next time.

I don't need luck with your posts.

I think you need it with reading................that doesn't even follow.

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@omnichris said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

"But... but... fake news! It's only the left that's violent. But... Berekley and Milo."

The left was there though in full force doing what they do best, pepper spraying people, bludgeoning people, throwing bricks at skulls. It's all there on youtube. Full photographic and video evidence and a shit load of witnesses. Although the MSM refuses to report it of course. Trumps response was that there was violence on all sides of the field. That seems like a correct assessment to me. If he's going to denounce white supremacist groups, then it's only fair to do the same with hate filled, racist and violent groups like Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

Also for some reason the police where there but doing absolutely nothing to calm down the situation until after a car plowed through loads of people.

Really....dude you are reaching. Do you really have such a delusional fear of the "left" that you ignore how insane these dudes are. Take off the blinders.

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Let these idiots have their party. This isn't a new thing, this has been happening for years under Obama.....only now more in the limelight due to a person whose enabled, emboldened, and legitimized such views (intentionally or otherwise) through his intolerant rhetoric and posturing.

And while Trump didn't condemn the movement in his statement, that probably has much more to do with his fear of losing their support than it does of his support of them. Telling of his values, either way.

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#41  Edited By blaznwiipspman1
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There is a difference between lies/propganda/hate and free speech. Most of the right wing rhetoric would not be considered free speech in any other free democratic or republic country in the world. Hate, false propganda, lies are all criminal offenses in most countries.

Hell, in Canada it's a criminal offense according to our constitution

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

There is a difference between lies, propganda, hate and free speech. Most of the right wing rhetoric would not be considered free speech in any other free democratic country in the world. Hate, false propganda, lies are all criminal offenses in most countries. It's the reason why the British have such trust worthy media, the BBC. They have to be otherwise they get shut down

In America there is money in lies and misinformation unfortunately.

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#43  Edited By blaznwiipspman1
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@Mercenary848: The founders had good well meaning intentions but they were naive. Lincoln should have fixed the 1st ammendment after the civil war...it was a missed chance

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I'm glad they caught that disgusting excuse for a human being who rammed those people with his vehicle. He should have the book thrown at him and should be locked up for a very long time.

It's quite telling how Trump hasn't condemn these white supremacists and racists.

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@Jacanuk said:
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@Jacanuk:

You have a point. If we are to defend freedom of speech, we need to defend what negative thoughts that may follow. Still, seeing Nazi swastikas and confederate flags waving around does ring some alarm bells. Blacks protested for equality back then, supposedly whites are protesting against political correction which was put in place so that everyone would play nice.

I agree 100% seeing those nutjobs with nazi flags and swastikas is horrible but Free speech is free speech and if we want to claim free speech we also have to grant it to others despite not liking what they use it for. Equal rights and all.

Also not everyone has the same problem with those flags, after all remove the main nazi logo and put in a windows logo and steam and even Gamespot is ok with it.

As long as there's no killing involve, I see no harm in all of this and let's be real, no one isn't stupid enough to go out and start murdering people right?

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@davillain- said:
@Jacanuk said:
@killered3 said:

@Jacanuk:

You have a point. If we are to defend freedom of speech, we need to defend what negative thoughts that may follow. Still, seeing Nazi swastikas and confederate flags waving around does ring some alarm bells. Blacks protested for equality back then, supposedly whites are protesting against political correction which was put in place so that everyone would play nice.

I agree 100% seeing those nutjobs with nazi flags and swastikas is horrible but Free speech is free speech and if we want to claim free speech we also have to grant it to others despite not liking what they use it for. Equal rights and all.

Also not everyone has the same problem with those flags, after all remove the main nazi logo and put in a windows logo and steam and even Gamespot is ok with it.

As long as there's no killing involve, I see no harm in all of this and let's be real, no one isn't stupid enough to go out and start murdering people right?

this could quickly spiral out of control. The republicans/GOP have clearly thrown in their lot with white nationalists. Liberals won't take this crap lieing down...trust me if the whack job white nationalist terrorists are allowed to continue expressing their "views", things can and will end very badly. That's the problem with no restriction free speech. And no, anybody who says that being able to freely express speech such as hate/fake news/propaganda will mean things will get better, have no idea what the hell they're talking about. Things will never get better like that...you can't cure deranged/irrational losers. Its like regular muslims trying to talk out the terrorist/suicide bombers. It will never work. In both cases, the muslim terrorists and the white nationalist terrorists are following an ideology, and you can't cure that even if you tried.

Also, i'd like to add that these white nationalists waving Nazi flags are just lucky WW2 vets aren't around anymore. Otherwise, these nut jobs would be hunted down very quickly and disposed of in painful ways. Nobody liked Nazis then, and nobody likes Nazis now.

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Free speech is a double-edged sword. It's not just a matter of ideology but also expressing viewpoints that are entirely wrong. For example, saying that evolution is false and that creationism is true; saying vaccines are dangerous when the science proves otherwise.

While it seems trivial, people can be stupid and just enough can create a tidal wave that can affect millions more. The same happened with Germany before the Nazis, the same with Rwanda with the Hutus and Tutsis and as people buy into the whole "vaccines are dangerous" their children will suffer and affect other children.

Free speech is excellent in expressing your viewpoints for and against the government but when that information relies on falsehoods, it can lead to devastating results which can destroy the country itself.

Free speech doesn't mean jackshit.

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@Archangel3371 said:

I'm glad they caught that disgusting excuse for a human being who rammed those people with his vehicle. He should have the book thrown at him and should be locked up for a very long time.

It's quite telling how Trump hasn't condemn these white supremacists and racists.

Was watching CNN while at the gym and they noted an interesting point: how so many condemned Obama for his refusal to say "Islamic terrorism", as Trump seems reluctant to do the same with "white supremacists".

It is very disgusting that Trump would use this incident to play partisan politics.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

And the nationalist in chief refuses to condemn it.............man he sucks....

Are you not supposed to be part of the tolerable left?

lol @ calling Trump a white nationalist.

I call them like I see it..........there is more evidence he is than isn't..............

yeah but if you are being genuine, you should give anyone the benefit of the doubt, even a guy like Trump. Not unless you want to use this horrific incident as a useful tool to criticize a politician you do not like.

As for Trump's response, I do think he should mention "white nationalism" but he did say he condemns hate in all its forms, so you cannot say he's taking the side of white nationalism, even a little bit. He may still condemn them by name btw. He was on vacation I understand, and there might still be a lot of info yet to to confirm.

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@MirkoS77: Trump seems to do a lot of that, condemning others for the same things that he has done or is doing himself.