(10 at Gamespot) Official GTA thread - Keep it here or face SUSPENSION!

some 360 pop-in:

the tree is funny... i'm sue the PS3 version will have similar issues.

(from Neogaf)

Always-Honest

Hopefully the pop in is minimal and the frame rate is fairly stable.

[QUOTE="hayato_"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]you might wnat to edit that poll if at all possible. The Ps3 HDD install is not optional, it's mandatory.ParadiddleFill

and the PS3 is getting it's own DLC according to R* 'of similar scale to the 360 content' but unique to the platform :)

the 360 dlc is exclusive nice try

Yes it is exclusive, but do you really believe that the PS3 won't get any DLC of it own down the road.

besides noone knows what the DLC is or how big it is for both consoles. It could be extra missions for both platforms or maybe missions or shops or extra vehicles etc.

Until then its just speculation

microsoft paid alot of money for the exclusive dlc i doubt its going to be just some extra missions or what not which i also believe will come to the ps3, i think if its as big as they say 10 hours i believe then it could be a shivering isle type dlc

The $50mill isn't a bribe for exclusivity, in fact, it's just a loan of sorts. Basically, Ms gave $50million to R* way in advance of the DLC even being conceived fully because they are confident R* will make themselves $50million in revenue from said DLC. So, to clarify, MS is saying to R* "we are so confident you will generate $50mill revenue from the DLC that we are giving it to you in advance from our own pocket and will take it back from revenues when the DLC is released" what this means is, including the 30% cut that MS takes for hosting DLCs on their servers and distributing them, the DLC must generate $70mill for things to be all sweet between MS and R*. If the DLC does not generate the $70mill, R* must pay them back a certain portion of the $50mill they gave originally.

To summarise, the $50mill deal is more like, MS will loan R* $50mill far in advance of R* making that money fromt he DLC and, in return, the 2 episode packs will remain exclusive, whether that is time exclusive, or permenant exclusive. There are a lot of intracies to the contract, but this is the basic gist of it.

From a personal opinion standpoint, I think PS3 will get its own exclusive DLC content in the future, not for a while though, but it will be similar in size to what the Xbox 360 will get. I take this because, the way things are looking, the Xbox 360 and PS3 will have a somewhat equally sized GTAIV player base. From this, I find it hard to belive that R* would only cash in on half of their audience.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

Amazon.co.uk have dispatched my copy and the e-mail says:

"Shipped via Royal Mail (estimated arrival date: 30-April-2008".

:evil: DAMMIT! I have to wait an extra day! My Dual Shock 3 comes a day early and GTA 4 comes a day late! Stupid Amazon........ 

cakeorrdeath

Thought that might happen, amazon have never been as good with delivery.

Well, the DualShock 3 came 1 day before the delivery estimate, so I'm hoping the same happens with GTA 4. If I have to wait until Wednesday, tomorrow will be torture......

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

Amazon.co.uk have dispatched my copy and the e-mail says:

"Shipped via Royal Mail (estimated arrival date: 30-April-2008".

:evil: DAMMIT! I have to wait an extra day! My Dual Shock 3 comes a day early and GTA 4 comes a day late! Stupid Amazon........ 

cakeorrdeath

Thought that might happen, amazon have never been as good with delivery.

You people are still lucky, I don't live in the US or UK...I have to order games and it usually takes 5 to 14 games to get them

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

some 360 pop-in:

the tree is funny... i'm sue the PS3 version will have similar issues.

(from Neogaf)

dhjohns

Hopefully the pop in is minimal and the frame rate is fairly stable.

it is minimal based on all the video we've seen - those 2 animated gifs from Neogaf are from the game running off a 360 HDD / which he claims is a devkit. the game is not designed to stream from the slower 360 HDD. i mean if it was that bad it would've been noticeable in the video reviews of the 360 version.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]you might wnat to edit that poll if at all possible. The Ps3 HDD install is not optional, it's mandatory.ParadiddleFill

and the PS3 is getting it's own DLC according to R* 'of similar scale to the 360 content' but unique to the platform :)

the 360 dlc is exclusive nice try

what part of 'unique to the platform' do you not get :P

You people are still lucky, I don't live in the US or UK...I have to order games and it usually takes 5 to 14 games to get them

Soulreavercross

That sucks, but I am guessing you have a US console?

Which still means you probably get 90% of games before me :P

I posted this in the other thread, but since the subject has come up again....

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

some 360 pop-in

i'm sure the PS3 version will have similar issues.

cakeorrdeath

From what I have read it does, but a bit less.

indeed. but there are rumors that the pos3 version is running in 630P...

I posted this in the other thread, but since the subject has come up again....

"While doing some research into the DLC I came across this article.

Next-Gen contacted Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter, who further explained the deal. "What Microsoft did was pay a $50 million advance," he said, much in the same way a big-name author receives a payment in advance of his or her next book.

In other words, Microsoft is confident that Take-Two's portion of the revenue generated by GTA IV content downloads will surpass the $50 million advance paid.

"Microsoft basically said that it's happy to pay [Take-Two] in advance $50 million in revenue that [Take-Two] is going to receive from GTA IV downloads," he said.

Microsoft takes about a 30 percent cut from Xbox Live Marketplace content sales, according to Pachter.

Taking that 70/30 split (publisher/Microsoft) and the $50 million advance into account, Microsoft is apparently confident that GTA IV download revenues over Xbox Live will be at least $70 million.

If revenues don't meet that figure, Take-Two will have to return some of the advance, according to Pachter. But he said that there's no reason to believe Take-Two would actually miss that revenue target.

If this is true, then MS did not pay $50 mil for the two episodes but rather advanced T2 the projected earnings from the DLC in exchange for the exclusivity deal. The nature of the deal is still unknown, but given this info and Rockstars history for exclusivity, it seems possible that once the advance is re-payed the episodes may become available for all platforms. Unfortunately, if this is true it might also indicate the size of the DLC is more along the lines of side missions as opposed to additional land area."

room420

um - thats from back when they though the DLC was 2 extra missions, heh. like my link - this is old and pretty unreliable.

I posted this in the other thread, but since the subject has come up again....

"While doing some research into the DLC I came across this article.

Next-Gen contacted Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter, who further explained the deal. "What Microsoft did was pay a $50 million advance," he said, much in the same way a big-name author receives a payment in advance of his or her next book.

In other words, Microsoft is confident that Take-Two's portion of the revenue generated by GTA IV content downloads will surpass the $50 million advance paid.

"Microsoft basically said that it's happy to pay [Take-Two] in advance $50 million in revenue that [Take-Two] is going to receive from GTA IV downloads," he said.

Microsoft takes about a 30 percent cut from Xbox Live Marketplace content sales, according to Pachter.

Taking that 70/30 split (publisher/Microsoft) and the $50 million advance into account, Microsoft is apparently confident that GTA IV download revenues over Xbox Live will be at least $70 million.

If revenues don't meet that figure, Take-Two will have to return some of the advance, according to Pachter. But he said that there's no reason to believe Take-Two would actually miss that revenue target.

If this is true, then MS did not pay $50 mil for the two episodes but rather advanced T2 the projected earnings from the DLC in exchange for the exclusivity deal. The nature of the deal is still unknown, but given this info and Rockstars history for exclusivity, it seems possible that once the advance is re-payed the episodes may become available for all platforms. Unfortunately, if this is true it might also indicate the size of the DLC is more along the lines of side missions as opposed to additional land area."

room420

that would be an entirely different story.. if true.

[QUOTE="Soulreavercross"]

You people are still lucky, I don't live in the US or UK...I have to order games and it usually takes 5 to 14 games to get them

cakeorrdeath

That sucks, but I am guessing you have a US console?

Which still means you probably get 90% of games before me :P

Yeah, I have to order all my stuff from the US...that is if I'm in a hurry for it. If I'm not I'll just purchase them in a local store about a month after release

I posted this in the other thread, but since the subject has come up again....

"While doing some research into the DLC I came across this article.

Next-Gen contacted Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter, who further explained the deal. "What Microsoft did was pay a $50 million advance," he said, much in the same way a big-name author receives a payment in advance of his or her next book.

In other words, Microsoft is confident that Take-Two's portion of the revenue generated by GTA IV content downloads will surpass the $50 million advance paid.

"Microsoft basically said that it's happy to pay [Take-Two] in advance $50 million in revenue that [Take-Two] is going to receive from GTA IV downloads," he said.

Microsoft takes about a 30 percent cut from Xbox Live Marketplace content sales, according to Pachter.

Taking that 70/30 split (publisher/Microsoft) and the $50 million advance into account, Microsoft is apparently confident that GTA IV download revenues over Xbox Live will be at least $70 million.

If revenues don't meet that figure, Take-Two will have to return some of the advance, according to Pachter. But he said that there's no reason to believe Take-Two would actually miss that revenue target.

If this is true, then MS did not pay $50 mil for the two episodes but rather advanced T2 the projected earnings from the DLC in exchange for the exclusivity deal. The nature of the deal is still unknown, but given this info and Rockstars history for exclusivity, it seems possible that once the advance is re-payed the episodes may become available for all platforms. Unfortunately, if this is true it might also indicate the size of the DLC is more along the lines of side missions as opposed to additional land area."

room420

this article is also kind of old, its already been said that the first dlc will be 10 hours long, if thats true then thats a big side mission

those are from Gaf, the poster said this 'keep in mind these are from GTA4 running of the 360 HDD'.. so he's running it off the uber slow HDD on a 360 dev kit or modded kit..

3picuri3

true, but it could all be there in the final version...

Shall I create a poll?

"Which version are you getting?

360 version

PS3 version"

cakeorrdeath

this is the one bad thing about a new thread. already we've had a handful of misconceptions dragged up again - some by the same people - that were shot to death in the old thread.

for shame people :P

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

Shall I create a poll?

"Which version are you getting?

360 version

PS3 version"

JayPee89

Madnes! Why would you want both?

[QUOTE="room420"]

I posted this in the other thread, but since the subject has come up again....

"While doing some research into the DLC I came across this article.

Next-Gen contacted Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter, who further explained the deal. "What Microsoft did was pay a $50 million advance," he said, much in the same way a big-name author receives a payment in advance of his or her next book.

In other words, Microsoft is confident that Take-Two's portion of the revenue generated by GTA IV content downloads will surpass the $50 million advance paid.

"Microsoft basically said that it's happy to pay [Take-Two] in advance $50 million in revenue that [Take-Two] is going to receive from GTA IV downloads," he said.

Microsoft takes about a 30 percent cut from Xbox Live Marketplace content sales, according to Pachter.

Taking that 70/30 split (publisher/Microsoft) and the $50 million advance into account, Microsoft is apparently confident that GTA IV download revenues over Xbox Live will be at least $70 million.

If revenues don't meet that figure, Take-Two will have to return some of the advance, according to Pachter. But he said that there's no reason to believe Take-Two would actually miss that revenue target.

If this is true, then MS did not pay $50 mil for the two episodes but rather advanced T2 the projected earnings from the DLC in exchange for the exclusivity deal. The nature of the deal is still unknown, but given this info and Rockstars history for exclusivity, it seems possible that once the advance is re-payed the episodes may become available for all platforms. Unfortunately, if this is true it might also indicate the size of the DLC is more along the lines of side missions as opposed to additional land area."

3picuri3

um - thats from back when they though the DLC was 2 extra missions, heh. like my link - this is old and pretty unreliable.

This is the article I was reffering to in my post. And, opinions can be counted as old, like a R* rep saying something. This is analysis on a contract which won't be outdated since the contract is still true. The fact is, R* don't profit a massive amount from the $50mil, it just massively improves their cashflow which can be used to fund projects, ie. the $50mill downpayment may have helped fund the crating of the DLC or even development of GTAIV itself.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

those are from Gaf, the poster said this 'keep in mind these are from GTA4 running of the 360 HDD'.. so he's running it off the uber slow HDD on a 360 dev kit or modded kit..

Always-Honest

true, but it could all be there in the final version...

no - based on the video we've seen - it isn't. nowhere near that extent. if it was THAT bad then there's no way in hell the 360 version would be getting 10s. and we would have noticed it in at least one official video review / preview.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

those are from Gaf, the poster said this 'keep in mind these are from GTA4 running of the 360 HDD'.. so he's running it off the uber slow HDD on a 360 dev kit or modded kit..

Always-Honest

true, but it could all be there in the final version...

I think the dozens of 10s suggest otherwise. There is supposed to be some pop in (far less than your vid) and there is slightly less on PS3 than 360.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

those are from Gaf, the poster said this 'keep in mind these are from GTA4 running of the 360 HDD'.. so he's running it off the uber slow HDD on a 360 dev kit or modded kit..

3picuri3

true, but it could all be there in the final version...

no - based on the video we've seen - it isn't. nowhere near that extent. if it was THAT bad then there's no way in hell the 360 version would be getting 10s. and we would have noticed it in at least one official video review / preview.

the guy said there are just a few almost not noticable instances of pop-in and a tree of doom that he keeps running in to.. (he has another gif where he thinks he's past the tree and runs in to it again :P funny stuff). i's not a big deal.. relax

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

those are from Gaf, the poster said this 'keep in mind these are from GTA4 running of the 360 HDD'.. so he's running it off the uber slow HDD on a 360 dev kit or modded kit..

cakeorrdeath

true, but it could all be there in the final version...

I think the dozens of 10s suggest otherwise. There is supposed to be some pop in (far less than your vid) and there is slightly less on PS3 than 360.

in previews / reviews they say it rears its head in 'high speed chases'. those 2 gifs are 1) a car going about 10mph around a corner and 2) Niko jogging around a corner.

there. is. no. way.

[QUOTE="room420"]

I posted this in the other thread, but since the subject has come up again....

"While doing some research into the DLC I came across this article.

Next-Gen contacted Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter, who further explained the deal. "What Microsoft did was pay a $50 million advance," he said, much in the same way a big-name author receives a payment in advance of his or her next book.

In other words, Microsoft is confident that Take-Two's portion of the revenue generated by GTA IV content downloads will surpass the $50 million advance paid.

"Microsoft basically said that it's happy to pay [Take-Two] in advance $50 million in revenue that [Take-Two] is going to receive from GTA IV downloads," he said.

Microsoft takes about a 30 percent cut from Xbox Live Marketplace content sales, according to Pachter.

Taking that 70/30 split (publisher/Microsoft) and the $50 million advance into account, Microsoft is apparently confident that GTA IV download revenues over Xbox Live will be at least $70 million.

If revenues don't meet that figure, Take-Two will have to return some of the advance, according to Pachter. But he said that there's no reason to believe Take-Two would actually miss that revenue target.

If this is true, then MS did not pay $50 mil for the two episodes but rather advanced T2 the projected earnings from the DLC in exchange for the exclusivity deal. The nature of the deal is still unknown, but given this info and Rockstars history for exclusivity, it seems possible that once the advance is re-payed the episodes may become available for all platforms. Unfortunately, if this is true it might also indicate the size of the DLC is more along the lines of side missions as opposed to additional land area."

ParadiddleFill

this article is also kind of old, its already been said that the first dlc will be 10 hours long, if thats true then thats a big side mission

Side missions take up a huge amount of time if you think about it. I mean, it took so long to complete all the ambulance, fire, police and taxi missions. I don't think the DLC will be all side-missions, but I wouldn't be surprised if the a good amount of the 10 hours was in side-misions. And this brings up a good point. How do you clarify 10 hours in DLC size? With regular linear games, 10 hours is just gameplay, with GTA, due to the open world nature, 10 hours could be anything. You could ****fy each mission at an hour in itself due to the sheer number of ways you could go about completing that mission.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

those are from Gaf, the poster said this 'keep in mind these are from GTA4 running of the 360 HDD'.. so he's running it off the uber slow HDD on a 360 dev kit or modded kit..

Always-Honest

true, but it could all be there in the final version...

no - based on the video we've seen - it isn't. nowhere near that extent. if it was THAT bad then there's no way in hell the 360 version would be getting 10s. and we would have noticed it in at least one official video review / preview.

the guy said there are just a few almost not noticable instances of pop-in and a tree of doom that he keeps running in to.. (he has another gif where he thinks he's past the tree and runs in to it again :P funny stuff). i's not a big deal.. relax

you weren't in here last night - some hardcore cows just ran with this crap and now tons of people that come in here for their gaming news might be getting another version. posting stuff like that without disclaimer, or even saying what the op did in neogaf is irresponsible at best.. so no i won't relax :P

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

those are from Gaf, the poster said this 'keep in mind these are from GTA4 running of the 360 HDD'.. so he's running it off the uber slow HDD on a 360 dev kit or modded kit..

3picuri3

true, but it could all be there in the final version...

I think the dozens of 10s suggest otherwise. There is supposed to be some pop in (far less than your vid) and there is slightly less on PS3 than 360.

in previews / reviews they say it rears its head in 'high speed chases'. those 2 gifs are 1) a car going about 10mph around a corner and 2) Niko jogging around a corner.

there. is. no. way.

okay thanx for clearing that up for us. good to know we can ask you for all the answers.

New review.

They have a very different perspective than most :P

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

those are from Gaf, the poster said this 'keep in mind these are from GTA4 running of the 360 HDD'.. so he's running it off the uber slow HDD on a 360 dev kit or modded kit..

3picuri3

true, but it could all be there in the final version...

no - based on the video we've seen - it isn't. nowhere near that extent. if it was THAT bad then there's no way in hell the 360 version would be getting 10s. and we would have noticed it in at least one official video review / preview.

the guy said there are just a few almost not noticable instances of pop-in and a tree of doom that he keeps running in to.. (he has another gif where he thinks he's past the tree and runs in to it again :P funny stuff). i's not a big deal.. relax

you weren't in here last night - some hardcore cows just ran with this crap and now tons of people that come in here for their gaming news might be getting another version. posting stuff like that without disclaimer, or even saying what the op did in neogaf is irresponsible at best.. so no i won't relax :P

yeah, fanboys.. you should see the Gaf thread... dithering on the 360 version, PS3 version in 630P.. etc, etc... and the thread just keeps running circles. it's hilarious.. tomorrow it will all be forgotten because veryone will be playing the best game they've ever played.

New review.

They have a very different perspective than most :P

cakeorrdeath

yeah, those guys aren't funny anymore.. they should quit

okay thanx for clearing that up for us. good to know we can ask you for all the answers.

Always-Honest

wth is your problem? you drag some videos from Gaf and don't cite them as being run from HDD, didn't post anything the OP from Gaf said to disclaim them -- in essence bring them in here as fact about performance and you have the nerve to get all lippy and sarcastic? are you serious?

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

New review.

They have a very different perspective than most :P

Always-Honest

yeah, those guys aren't funny anymore.. they should quit

funny - they posted the same videos you did and said the same things more or less without disclaimers :) and they should quit....

Time out you two.

Don't make me get my mod tools out;)

Time out you two.

Don't make me get my mod tool out;)

cakeorrdeath

that just sounded.... wrong.

Wow, MAJOR popup on the 360 version. Just saw a clip where a car is driving along and a tree manifests itself out of thin air and the car crashes into it.

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

Time out you two.

Don't make me get my mod tool out;)

3picuri3

that just sounded.... wrong.

:oops:

Was supposed to be a plural, sounds less..... well yeah, that way.

Wow, MAJOR popup on the 360 version. Just saw a clip where a car is driving along and a tree manifests itself out of thin air and the car crashes into it.

Danger-Dog

case-in-point Always-Honest... case. in. point. *hangs head*

Does anyone honestly believe the PS3 will get DLC on anywhere near the scale of the proposed 360 content??

Not going to happen.

Wow, MAJOR popup on the 360 version. Just saw a clip where a car is driving along and a tree manifests itself out of thin air and the car crashes into it.

Danger-Dog

Did you read any of the subsequent posts addressing that?

New review.

They have a very different perspective than most :P

cakeorrdeath

:lol:

That was a perfect fanboy review.

[QUOTE="Danger-Dog"]

Wow, MAJOR popup on the 360 version. Just saw a clip where a car is driving along and a tree manifests itself out of thin air and the car crashes into it.

3picuri3

case-in-point Always-Honest... case. in. point. *hangs head*

yes. true. sorry. you're right about that..... i appologise..

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Danger-Dog"]

Wow, MAJOR popup on the 360 version. Just saw a clip where a car is driving along and a tree manifests itself out of thin air and the car crashes into it.

Always-Honest

case-in-point Always-Honest... case. in. point. *hangs head*

yes. true. sorry. you're right about that..... i appologise..

i don't want to argue about this - but i'll say one thing. the review copies are gold copies... at least in this case. GTA4 went gold about 2 weeks ago.. so any review copies = what we'll recieve tonight. and further to that it's pretty rare that a game would go from looking great --> having severe pop-up from review copy to release.

i'm sorry i'm getting so aggravated - it's just we went through debunking those videos late last night and now it's all over the place and people are taking it as fact. i don't mean any offense towards you - i'm just trying to illustrate how damaging posting those in here without disclaimers can be...

Wow, MAJOR popup on the 360 version. Just saw a clip where a car is driving along and a tree manifests itself out of thin air and the car crashes into it.

Danger-Dog

Yeah I know really? In this gif the textures arent even loaded on the 360 version.

Does anyone honestly believe the PS3 will get DLC on anywhere near the scale of the proposed 360 content??

Not going to happen.

speedsix

Lol, the sign of a true fanboy...... resorts to subjective opinions instead of well constructed arguements.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="room420"]

I posted this in the other thread, but since the subject has come up again....

"While doing some research into the DLC I came across this article.

Next-Gen contacted Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter, who further explained the deal. "What Microsoft did was pay a $50 million advance," he said, much in the same way a big-name author receives a payment in advance of his or her next book.

In other words, Microsoft is confident that Take-Two's portion of the revenue generated by GTA IV content downloads will surpass the $50 million advance paid.

"Microsoft basically said that it's happy to pay [Take-Two] in advance $50 million in revenue that [Take-Two] is going to receive from GTA IV downloads," he said.

Microsoft takes about a 30 percent cut from Xbox Live Marketplace content sales, according to Pachter.

Taking that 70/30 split (publisher/Microsoft) and the $50 million advance into account, Microsoft is apparently confident that GTA IV download revenues over Xbox Live will be at least $70 million.

If revenues don't meet that figure, Take-Two will have to return some of the advance, according to Pachter. But he said that there's no reason to believe Take-Two would actually miss that revenue target.

If this is true, then MS did not pay $50 mil for the two episodes but rather advanced T2 the projected earnings from the DLC in exchange for the exclusivity deal. The nature of the deal is still unknown, but given this info and Rockstars history for exclusivity, it seems possible that once the advance is re-payed the episodes may become available for all platforms. Unfortunately, if this is true it might also indicate the size of the DLC is more along the lines of side missions as opposed to additional land area."

donwoogie

um - thats from back when they though the DLC was 2 extra missions, heh. like my link - this is old and pretty unreliable.

This is the article I was reffering to in my post. And, opinions can be counted as old, like a R* rep saying something. This is analysis on a contract which won't be outdated since the contract is still true. The fact is, R* don't profit a massive amount from the $50mil, it just massively improves their cashflow which can be used to fund projects, ie. the $50mill downpayment may have helped fund the crating of the DLC or even development of GTAIV itself.

There, now I've given you a fair opportunity to prove me wrong and argue points in a constructive and intelligent way.

STOP IT! - cake.Always-Honest

what the hell is this..? what the hell is this.. i'm not allowed to speak here?... this is a total outrage. what kind of country are you licving in pal..? wow... i said nothing wrong

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Danger-Dog"]

Wow, MAJOR popup on the 360 version. Just saw a clip where a car is driving along and a tree manifests itself out of thin air and the car crashes into it.

3picuri3

case-in-point Always-Honest... case. in. point. *hangs head*

yes. true. sorry. you're right about that..... i appologise..

i don't want to argue about this - but i'll say one thing. the review copies are gold copies... at least in this case. GTA4 went gold about 2 weeks ago.. so any review copies = what we'll recieve tonight. and further to that it's pretty rare that a game would go from looking great --> having severe pop-up from review copy to release.

i'm sorry i'm getting so aggravated - it's just we went through debunking those videos late last night and now it's all over the place and people are taking it as fact. i don't mean any offense towards you - i'm just trying to illustrate how damaging posting those in here without disclaimers can be...

not sure what to say. i'm no longer alowed to speak freely.

I thought SDF was a fake setup by wii60? It's not real... right??speedsix

Lol, I think the website name says it all :P

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]STOP IT! - cake.Always-Honest

what the hell is this..? what the hell is this.. i'm not allowed to speak here?... this is a total outrage. what kind of country are you licving in pal..? wow... i said nothing wrong

You continued a conversation which had previously been lurking around borderline trolling that I had asked you to stop.

What does my country have anything to do with this?