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[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"]Circumsantial computer use... an invalid point, Ive had to use them for 2 years in college, they were buggy, crashed alot, I had to rely on my PC at home todo anything worthwhile or indepth, do I go around spreading crap that "MACS Crash more often, have more bugs and cant do simple things?" no ... because like the reverse situation its a load of crap. I'm curious. What kind of work were you doing?Simple,
Windows is built on garbage.
Mac OS is built on Unix like Linux.
Linux is better, but if you want a simple and easy user interface than Mac is the way to go.
A lot of people here don't own a Mac so they won't be able to know the difference. They think it's Windows with a different look. You would have to own one for a few months to tell. Less bugs, less viruses, less crashes. I left my Mac on once for a full month without restarting and never got any errors. I can't go a week without having to restart a Vista machine that is constantly being used.
Better user interface. Better security.
Birdy09
I dunno about anyone else, but the macs on my campus have crashed on me three times in one day on occasion.1. no random updates that all the sudden makes everything not work
2. no viruses
3. everything runs the way its suppose to
4. the look awesome
ok thats all I got.
SpideR_CentS
[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="sleepingzzz"]Circumsantial computer use... an invalid point, Ive had to use them for 2 years in college, they were buggy, crashed alot, I had to rely on my PC at home todo anything worthwhile or indepth, do I go around spreading crap that "MACS Crash more often, have more bugs and cant do simple things?" no ... because like the reverse situation its a load of crap. I'm curious. What kind of work were you doing? Typical Design for Interactive Media stuff, Indesign, Flash, Photoshop, Imovie(bleh) Illustrator ect... yes nothing hardcore and yet they managed to even screw that up, one thing I did like though, the TRue Colour stuff, was annoying when having to develope on windows aswell though.Simple,
Windows is built on garbage.
Mac OS is built on Unix like Linux.
Linux is better, but if you want a simple and easy user interface than Mac is the way to go.
A lot of people here don't own a Mac so they won't be able to know the difference. They think it's Windows with a different look. You would have to own one for a few months to tell. Less bugs, less viruses, less crashes. I left my Mac on once for a full month without restarting and never got any errors. I can't go a week without having to restart a Vista machine that is constantly being used.
Better user interface. Better security.
Zero_epyon
I tried using a Mac in an Apple store once, who's genius idea was it to remove right click? I understand that the whole draw of Mac's is that they're more simple to use than PC's, but seriously, are Mac users so stupid they cannot comprehend the complexity of more than one mouse button?
I tried using a Mac in an Apple store once, who's genius idea was it to remove right click? I understand that the whole draw of Mac's is that they're more simple to use than PC's, but seriously, are Mac users so stupid they cannot comprehend the complexity of more than one mouse button?
Rob-Belmont
Macs have right click.
2 finger tap for secondary click. :(
The right click is in the button. Hardcore mac users were used to using one mouse click. Apple then changed the mouse to have two buttons but kept the design of one button. You can change your preferences in the system to handle right clicking.I tried using a Mac in an Apple store once, who's genius idea was it to remove right click? I understand that the whole draw of Mac's is that they're more simple to use than PC's, but seriously, are Mac users so stupid they cannot comprehend the complexity of more than one mouse button?
Rob-Belmont
[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Don't think this is system wars worthy but I'll give it a shot. 1) Reliability - This is my top reason. I have had my computer on doing general office work, Virtualization, Basic Web browsing and programming for 3 months straight. Only have to reboot for a system update. 2) Compatibility - Works seamlessly with my iPhone, iPod, Windows Servers, Exchange Servers, Apple TV. 3) Hardware - I have a mac pro at work. It's has 2 quad core xeon cpu's with 12 GB of ram. It's hard to find something like this for pc unless you want to build it yourself. 4) Virtualization - Yes windows can do it too but it's more technical than that. Mac is built on unix which faster and more stable than windows. Therefore my virtualization projects run better on a mac. And it's not just windows, it's linux and os x server. 5) ilife - a free package of web designing, music creating and photo editing software that comes ready to go. 6) One version of the OS. No need to choose which features you want or not. It all comes standard. I can't think of any more at the moment. A lot is hard to describe. You have to use one to see. Once you do you'd be speechless like the rest of us.Zero_epyonOk, bare in mind here that that im talking about normal people/students who dont do heavy work on computers or the print industry. so im gonna throw my thoughts on your points in here: 1) I could say the same about PCs in my case, I had macs in college for 2 years which were a nightmare, this is more of a personal experiance point and quite frankly to me is just a circumstantial excuse tbh. 2) Compatibility - Windows/itunes works perfectly with my iphone and my mates Ipod, windows servers never tried the other 2. 3) What line of work are you? this is valid to the print/design industrys no doubt, and is acceptable, however itsnot a valid point for the typical consumor that deems macs superior to PCs. 4) Ok, sounds good. My friends however cannot rely on this. 5) I would rather be working with the best software, which is often handed down free by uni/college or *other means*(not promoting) compared with a3 package. 6) HArdly a difficult choice. I'm an IT manager. I use virtualization to test software and run our system backbone on. Of course Macs won't appeal to everyone. Same can be said about PC's. I think there's a blurry line when people compare PC's to Macs. Are we comparing Mac OS X to Windows or the hardware between the two? I think that's why this argument will last forever. Pretty much both, it mind boggels me that they brag about thier standard 13-15' mac-books that cost £800 whereas the Acer Aspire range is technically alot beter and more aesthetically pleaseing than ay of that terrible plastic-macbook range... its inconcievable.
less virus problems yes. though if you're not downloading random executables it's not much of an issue. esp if you're running windows as a user rather than admin. I totally disagree on compatibility. mostly because there are many hardwares that aren't mac compatible and even worse is that they don't have drivers for mac so you have to search online for hacks to get them to work. and yes i've had to download drivers for some hardware as well. works the same in that respect.can't think of 10 things but
less virus problem, compatiblity with devices are easier (not a lot of driver problems), umm....
i could think of more negatives than positives
LyfOfAManti
I bought Macbook once without doing much research, it turned out to be a pretty big diseaster. It was my fault though, if I would have done some research before I would know the compatibility problems that I would face. Eventualy I gave it to my mother and went back to Windows. OSX just isn't any alternative to Windows for me, most of the software I need and use is Windows only. I could get some of it to run on OSX with stuff like Crossover or parrells, but it's clunky, troublesome and buggy. I could get Macbook and install Windows, but hardware wise I also find Macbooks to be pretty lacking in energonomy departament compared to my beloved Thinkpads. Plus I don't really like the way they look
I bought Macbook once without doing much research, it turned out to be a pretty big diseaster. It was my fault though, if I would have done some research before I would know the compatibility problems that I would face. Eventualy I gave it to my mother and went back to Windows. OSX just isn't any alternative to Windows for me, most of the software I need and use is Windows only. I could get some of it to run on OSX with stuff like Crossover or parrells, but it's clunky, troublesome and buggy. I could get Macbook and install Windows, but hardware wise I also find Macbooks to be pretty lacking in energonomy departament compared to my beloved Thinkpads. Plus I don't really like the way they look
AdrianWerner
Why would you run parallels over BootCamp?
Ugh -- Macs are better than PC's for everything except for gaming..Stumpt25No, not really. There's plenty of areas where WIndows spanks OSX
[QUOTE="Stumpt25"]Ugh -- Macs are better than PC's for everything except for gaming. I was a hater before I got one. Worth every penny, especially if it's a laptop. I don't need to justify that to you.Uptown
Truth. They make the best notebooks hands down.
+1000I'll be honest and say I havn't used a mac in about ten years but when I had mine OS 7.3 left Windows 95 in the dust. So even though I switched to PC simply because the game isle at bestbuy is huge for PC and tiny for mac,even the newest versions of windows cant compare towhat the mac OS was 15 years ago.
[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"]Ugh -- Macs are better than PC's for everything except for gaming. I was a hater before I got one. Worth every penny, especially if it's a laptop. I don't need to justify that to you.Stumpt25Then dont post. , works in my favour actually, thanks. I can do whatever I want.
Suit yourself, you don justify because you cant, like most of them ;)
Truth. They make the best notebooks hands down."One of the best" I could agree with. But "hands down the best"? Nah, that's very debatableUptown
[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]No, not really. There's plenty of areas where WIndows spanks OSX Well it's certainly got a wider range of anti-virus software.It certainly has wider range of software of any kind actualy :)[QUOTE="Stumpt25"]Ugh -- Macs are better than PC's for everything except for gaming..Stumpt25
"One of the best" I could agree with. But "hands down the best"? Nah, that's very debatable[QUOTE="Uptown"]Truth. They make the best notebooks hands down.
AdrianWerner
Find me a windows notebook with the feature-set of a MacBook Pro, with the build quality of a MacBook Pro, and is 5.5 pounds and 0.95" Thick like the MacBook Pro. They put the best possible product out there in the most portable design possible. Any windows laptop with the same feature-set as the MacBook Pro still lacks the 7-hour battery, still lacks the sturdy aluminum finish, still lacks a multitouch glass trackpad, and still generally lacks a backlit keyboard....and is about a pound and a half heavier. Apple makes elite notebooks.
"One of the best" I could agree with. But "hands down the best"? Nah, that's very debatable[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]
[QUOTE="Uptown"]Truth. They make the best notebooks hands down.
Uptown
Find me a windows notebook with the feature-set of a MacBook Pro, with the build quality of a MacBook Pro, and is 5.5 pounds and 0.95" Thick like the MacBook Pro. They put the best possible product out there in the most portable design possible. Any windows laptop with the same feature-set as the MacBook Pro still lacks the 7-hour battery, still lacks the sturdy aluminum finish, still lacks a multitouch glass trackpad, and still generally lacks a backlit keyboard....and is about a pound and a half heavier. Apple makes elite notebooks.
Impressive, but I'm willing to be that specifications wise you get alot less for the £££ that is required for those macbooks? that certainly doesnt apply to the under £1000 range.
No DLLs
Camiloken
10. PDF and other standard / open source technologies included or part of the OS.
Camiloken
And costs about half as much, which I think is the main point people are making.Find me a windows notebook with the feature-set of a MacBook Pro, with the build quality of a MacBook Pro, and is 5.5 pounds and 0.95" Thick like the MacBook Pro. They put the best possible product out there in the most portable design possible. Any windows laptop with the same feature-set as the MacBook Pro still lacks the 7-hour battery, still lacks the sturdy aluminum finish, still lacks a multitouch glass trackpad, and still generally lacks a backlit keyboard....and is about a pound and a half heavier.
Uptown
I dunno about anyone else, but the macs on my campus have crashed on me three times in one day on occasion.[QUOTE="SpideR_CentS"]
1. no random updates that all the sudden makes everything not work
2. no viruses
3. everything runs the way its suppose to
4. the look awesome
ok thats all I got.
Verge_6
What I don't understand is how every mac I've ever used has frozen since the beginning of time, but with Windows it froze occasionally on 95, then not at all by the time Vista came around.
[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"] , works in my favour actually, thanks. I can do whatever I want.Stumpt25
Suit yourself, you don justify because you cant, like most of them ;)
lol, I could justify but cbf. I find it funny that you are so pleased with yourself. It doesn't work in your favour because you got so riled up that you had to create a thread about why macs aren't as good as PC's. In the meantime, I'm enjoying my Macbook and you're still stuck with some crappy laptop. What wonderful make is it? Toshiba? Sony Vaio? Joke's on you mate. Yea, im the one "riled-up" here right? :roll: "cbf" sure... ;) Acer Aspire actually mate, none of th crappy plastic macbooks within the same price range lay a fingure on this.I've owned my mac book pro for over a year now so here goes. I have 2 pc's also.
1. it's unix, so it's ultra stable, my macs been turned on since I got it, I only reboot it every few months.
2.Terminal, if your a geek like me and love using bash and scripting then it is just amazing, it gives you a level of control over your computer that you just can't get in windows.
3. Snow leopard costs $29 for the full standalone OS, and it never even asks you for a cd key :p
4. Included software, garageband iMovie, Iphoto etc etc are very high quality.
5. Modern features like expose' , spaces (allows 16 desktops)
6. force quit. ever get sick of that "program is not responding" on windows that wont close? force quit closes straight away no matter what.
7. aesthetics, there aluminium, have motion sensors and light sensors, mag safe is a life saver.
8. passionate community
9. virtualisation makes it easy to run linux,unix, windows etc at the same time. with the exception of directx all your windows software will run fine
10. Bootcamp, natively run any version of windows. My macbook pro happily plays crysis on medium-high settings, most other games run maxed.
AND YES THEY'VE HAD RIGHT CLICK SINCE THE 90s!
"One of the best" I could agree with. But "hands down the best"? Nah, that's very debatable[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]
[QUOTE="Uptown"]Truth. They make the best notebooks hands down.
Uptown
Find me a windows notebook with the feature-set of a MacBook Pro, with the build quality of a MacBook Pro, and is 5.5 pounds and 0.95" Thick like the MacBook Pro. They put the best possible product out there in the most portable design possible. Any windows laptop with the same feature-set as the MacBook Pro still lacks the 7-hour battery, still lacks the sturdy aluminum finish, still lacks a multitouch glass trackpad, and still generally lacks a backlit keyboard....and is about a pound and a half heavier. Apple makes elite notebooks.
That argument could work if I would be using some random Acer laptop. But I'm using Thinkpads, so you're out of luck. Feature and build-quality wise Thinkpads at least match Macbooks, altough they're focus is completely different, so it depends on one's needs which he will find better. I personaly definitly find Thinkpads to be far superior for my needs than Macbooks
[QUOTE="Uptown"]And costs about half as much, which I think is the main point people are making.Find me a windows notebook with the feature-set of a MacBook Pro, with the build quality of a MacBook Pro, and is 5.5 pounds and 0.95" Thick like the MacBook Pro. They put the best possible product out there in the most portable design possible. Any windows laptop with the same feature-set as the MacBook Pro still lacks the 7-hour battery, still lacks the sturdy aluminum finish, still lacks a multitouch glass trackpad, and still generally lacks a backlit keyboard....and is about a pound and a half heavier.
DJ_Lae
Half as much, of course it should cost half as much....most windows pc's are made of cheap plastics, that creak and warp, with tiny trackpads, no backlit keyboards, lackluster batteries, weigh a ton and are thicker than most college books....you get what you pay for sir. I could buy a Nissan Sentra, but the Maxima looks alot nicer.
[QUOTE="Uptown"]
[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]"One of the best" I could agree with. But "hands down the best"? Nah, that's very debatable
AdrianWerner
Find me a windows notebook with the feature-set of a MacBook Pro, with the build quality of a MacBook Pro, and is 5.5 pounds and 0.95" Thick like the MacBook Pro. They put the best possible product out there in the most portable design possible. Any windows laptop with the same feature-set as the MacBook Pro still lacks the 7-hour battery, still lacks the sturdy aluminum finish, still lacks a multitouch glass trackpad, and still generally lacks a backlit keyboard....and is about a pound and a half heavier. Apple makes elite notebooks.
That argument could work if I would be using some random Acer laptop. But I'm using Thinkpads, so you're out of luck. Feature and build-quality wise Thinkpads at least match Macbooks, altough they're focus is completely different, so it depends on one's needs which he will find better. I personaly definitly find Thinkpads to be far superior for my needs than Macbooks
Ahh yes the IBM Thinkpad.....same design since 1999
[QUOTE="Uptown"]
Ahh yes the IBM Thinkpad.....same design since 1999
_Pedro_
So that is your biggest argument after he comes with a viable option? Besides I myself own a Samsung nc20, works like a charm and delivers for an affordable price what I want from it.
His vialble argument to what I said? THinkpads dont have the same build quality or featureset as a MacBook Pro by any means. Responding with "THat argument would work with an Acer but not my IBM THINKPAD!!!" is irrelevant.
Thinkpads are actualy the most innovative laptops brands out there feature-wise, so I assume you mean their visual style? Thinkpads' visual style is one of the reasons I prefer them over macbooks. They're not flashy or hip, but unlike Macbooks they have timless class and style. Comparing Macbooks to Thinkpads is like comparing the newest Nike shooes to goold old fashioned leather shoes. Sure...some might like newest nike shoes, and certainly black leather shoes won't make anyone's heads turn, but I won't put silver sport shoes when I'm wearing gray suit, just like I won't take a flashy silver laptop with huge glowing logo to a court :)Ahh yes the IBM Thinkpad.....same design since 1999
Uptown
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you just don't know much about Thinkpads it seems. They have the best built quality on the market. And are very feature-set rich. Sure..they might not have some features macbooks have, but macbooks also lack a lot of features that have been standart in Thinkpads for yearsHis vialble argument to what I said? THinkpads dont have the same build quality or featureset as a MacBook Pro by any means. Responding with "THat argument would work with an Acer but not my IBM THINKPAD!!!" is irrelevant.
Uptown
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