10 legit things that make Mac's better than PCs challenge.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

And again I repeat, that on this side of the ocean if you build a custom made workstation reflecting the top of the line mac pro, it's more expensive (+ or - 300 euros) left alone hp and sun that are pure overpriced garbage. Again note that 300 euros is nothing, it simple doesn't give me any advantage over the already built mac pro, plus it's just a machine to have at home and let me do my homework, some gaming, catalog all my music, etc. I don't need to use tesla cards/cell cards even less the quadro cards, the SIMD units on the processors more the compute shader on a normal gaming video card are enough.

IF I indeed had a justified need to require such powerful hardware, at home, custom built would be the way to go, also if you want to check prices on the retailers (http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/wtb_list_workstation_uk.html). And of course it would pretty much smoke everything that apple, hp, sun, etc putts out or anything *again* you could possibly afford on your own. At least half of the price would have to be endorsed by the company you work for (I think you're getting the picture now).

I've pretty much pointed it all and explained it all, now it's not my fault you poor mortal souls don't get a nick of it.

The security argument. Mac osx isn't more secure than windows and neither the contrary, both have their letdowns. The most secure os's areSolaris, HP-UX, AIX and SCO UNIX. But never be too confident since there are holes everywere.

On the unix-like side openBSD.

Plus you don't even know why the aluminium? remember those 10th grade physics lessons? Faraday cage? or emi shielding?

Major_Reeves

I don't care where you live, MAC pro is more expensive.

So you got a MAC pro workstation for show off, for your e-pen..?

Ah... now you need to insult me... ohhh no, my poor mortal soul... ouch... I know your not a typical MAC user, your a MAC fanboy to the bone.

Aluminum case... so if I have a steele case, plastic case or carbon case, then what happens to my PC ? It's gona blow up????

My half cent on you dood...

Meh, another cheap insult.... no more arguments, didn't expected more from a MAC fanboy.

The only legit thing MAC has over common PCs is ---- STABILITY...

Mac is more like a console than what a common PC is. What i mean by this is ... EVERYTHING on it , for it , in it are actually 100% guaranteed will gonna work together and wont let you down ( aka patching etcetc ) with your proffesional workout ( as musicians , architects etc etc )since STABILITY >>> RAW power for proffesional work/jobs/ etc.

So STABILITY is what mac prevails by miles VS PCs and only that.

AzatiS

[QUOTE="AzatiS"]

The only legit thing MAC has over common PCs is ---- STABILITY...

Mac is more like a console than what a common PC is. What i mean by this is ... EVERYTHING on it , for it , in it are actually 100% guaranteed will gonna work together and wont let you down ( aka patching etcetc ) with your proffesional workout ( as musicians , architects etc etc )since STABILITY >>> RAW power for proffesional work/jobs/ etc.

So STABILITY is what mac prevails by miles VS PCs and only that.

Birdy09

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="AzatiS"]

The only legit thing MAC has over common PCs is ---- STABILITY...

Mac is more like a console than what a common PC is. What i mean by this is ... EVERYTHING on it , for it , in it are actually 100% guaranteed will gonna work together and wont let you down ( aka patching etcetc ) with your proffesional workout ( as musicians , architects etc etc )since STABILITY >>> RAW power for proffesional work/jobs/ etc.

So STABILITY is what mac prevails by miles VS PCs and only that.

HuusAsking

Man you're ****ing hopeless Major_Reeves. I've posted a rig identical to yours that was $2000 cheaper and you still claim Macs are cheaper... I even upgraded the motherboard, case, and psu due to your inane comments and Mac was still more expensive. Here's a clue for you, Mac Pro PSU is only 980 watts and not even comparable to a top of the line PSU from enermax or apc.

As for stability it's true that Macs have plenty of problems. Just try to setup a mac server in a serious IT environment and you'll be seeing spinning beachballs (Mac version of BSOD) left and right. There is a very big reason most corporations stay the hell away from macs... Just suggest a serious IT firm to use mac servers and you'll be laughed out of there.

"poor soul" means ignorance, fact that you're ignoring how the market handles over here, if we had a store like newegg without having the trouble to deal with retailer this/retailer that sure it would be cheaper m8, no offense but I've already explained you that.

APC makes a hell of UPS's dam got to love my smart ups 2200 (...) but they don't make PSU's.

Mac pro's psu, yeh around 980w depends on the model, but they are 80%+ efficient (like the ones from silverstone). They have to be, european union rules.

The spinning beachball of death (SBOD) only happens if an app hangs, those are rare, are you running stuff under rosetta? Classic belongs to the stone age and you can't use native 64 bit ppc code under rosetta. Do you have everything up to date?? New versions, no outdated software?? Read the log and pinpoint the cause, report the problem, sometimes it's a bug, an update that broke something, apple does seed every update very early to it's dev's but guess what, everyone makes mistakes. Same happens on windows.

The much you can get, very, very rarely are kernel panics, that completely freezes your machine and forces you to restart, SBOD doesn't, force quit, read/submit the log, most of the time it's user/third party's fault.

Network problems? On mac osX? Dumb IT's?

I would never propose mac osX for corporate management/servers and neither windows given the advantages of linux.

But if I'm talking about machines that are going to be used by individuals as their personal workstations, that would be mac osX all the way, given the fact that it's easy to set it up, pretty low maintenance, and you can also easily distribute all your processes over a couple of nodes and have nas with minimal efford. Giving you a lot more time to dedicate yourself to your work. The folks at CERN, INETI, some hospitals and universities pretty much love them. Plus it's unix!

On my personal experience I've never had a problem with osX and linux network setups, windows yeh for games only.

Now considering that I lived in the US or had a store like newegg here in europe, I would have pretty much ditched the mac pro for something more efficient and I did considered this setup, the problem are the retailers, they always add more to the manufactures price. Plus these kinds of components aren't available on the on line stores, the best you can find there is gamer grade and there isn't much to choose from either.

dvd burner

Lian li box

1 tb Caviar black

3 velociraptors

3 GTX285

PSU

Board

6gb ddr3 1066 ECC x 2

x3580

Total: 4795.85 dollars

My mac pro built under the apple US store without the ADC discount = 6549 dollars (and i didn't add the velociraptors)

To finish, well clearly overpriced even compared to the a built one of you guys mentioned. But them again unfortunatelythere isn't a newegg ****store over here and buying from the retailers makes the price of the mac pro look like a whole more attractive, even with it's downsides on expandability/efficiency.

Unless you need osX, you shouldn't bother buying stuff from apple, windows/solaris or fedora and you can do everything and if you're "literate" you can also set them up perfectly , daisy chain nodes and benefit from the same features available on apple's programs, qmaster/xsan, etc.

But in here top of the line mac pros are cheaper than custom build, sun and hp which also adds points to their popularity *period*.

newegg is currently available on the US, canada and china, maybe one day it'll available here...

And for note: I've owned custom built pc's and ppc apple built workstations, when you could justify the price with something like p3 and p4 are crap, that's no longer true as apple itself, unfortunately ditched the ppc for intel,wile still pricing it a premium (hardware wise) well thats pretty much fail dood... (edited, similar built HP and Sun on US territory are more expensive, read down)

thier better for video/picture editing. thats why schools have macs now.

It all comes down to PREFERENCE.

My God, are you guys this ignorant?

How many times do I have to state it. You cannot, I repeat, cannot possibly state one is better than the other. It is logically impossible. So stop arguing your opinions to death and realize it's all a matter of PREFERENCE. Take your bias into account, and formulate the reason as to why you prefer one over the other. This place lacks the integrity of objectivity. There really is no superior machine. Mac or PC. PS3 or 360. Heck 360 or PC. Preference, preference, preference, preference. Sorry I had to ruin all the fun, but this is total BS what you guys are fighting about.

Man Newegg in europe would be awesome but only if they would have the same costumer support like in the US (free shipping,bundles) and would be not too overpriced.

It all comes down to PREFERENCE.

My God, are you guys this ignorant?

How many times do I have to state it. You cannot, I repeat, cannot possibly state one is better than the other. It is logically impossible. So stop arguing your opinions to death and realize it's all a matter of PREFERENCE. Take your bias into account, and formulate the reason as to why you prefer one over the other. This place lacks the integrity of objectivity. There really is no superior machine. Mac or PC. PS3 or 360. Heck 360 or PC. Preference, preference, preference, preference. Sorry I had to ruin all the fun, but this is total BS what you guys are fighting about.

DonPerian

Easy on it m8.

I didn't finish doing my research... glad it's already friday and 23:02 :)

Now lets talk about oem built, so lets match the mac pro against the top of the line HP and Sun in US territory.

Few minutes l8ter

I've seen their sites and config options and compared to them the mac pro wins on the price even trough it doesn't bring features like SAS support on board or doesn't have as much choice on professional video cards, actually you only have the quadro 4800 or expandability.

I agree it's cheaper to custom build it (at least in the US, hehe), but as I pointed similar specked HP and Sun workstations are more expensive not by a super large margin but it's still more (care to check their websites and build a similar machine).

On conclusion the mac pro is very well priced considered it's targeted market,university's, universitary students (like me but currently in drop out for health reasons :(), hospitals, power-users that don't want to custom build their workstations...

It all comes down to PREFERENCE.

My God, are you guys this ignorant?

How many times do I have to state it. You cannot, I repeat, cannot possibly state one is better than the other. It is logically impossible. So stop arguing your opinions to death and realize it's all a matter of PREFERENCE. Take your bias into account, and formulate the reason as to why you prefer one over the other. This place lacks the integrity of objectivity. There really is no superior machine. Mac or PC. PS3 or 360. Heck 360 or PC. Preference, preference, preference, preference. Sorry I had to ruin all the fun, but this is total BS what you guys are fighting about.

DonPerian

It's not all about preference sir...

For example, I want to play the lastest games... I have no choice but to get windows.

[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

It all comes down to PREFERENCE.

My God, are you guys this ignorant?

How many times do I have to state it. You cannot, I repeat, cannot possibly state one is better than the other. It is logically impossible. So stop arguing your opinions to death and realize it's all a matter of PREFERENCE. Take your bias into account, and formulate the reason as to why you prefer one over the other. This place lacks the integrity of objectivity. There really is no superior machine. Mac or PC. PS3 or 360. Heck 360 or PC. Preference, preference, preference, preference. Sorry I had to ruin all the fun, but this is total BS what you guys are fighting about.

Major_Reeves

Easy on it m8.

I didn't finish doing my research... glad it's already friday and 23:02 :)

Now lets talk about oem built, so lets match the mac pro against the top of the line HP and Sun in US territory.

Few minutes l8ter

I've seen their sites and config options and compared to them the mac pro wins on the price even trough it doesn't bring features like SAS support on board or doesn't have as much choice on professional video cards, actually you only have the quadro 4800 or expandability.

I agree it's cheaper to custom build it (at least in the US, hehe), but as I pointed similar specked HP and Sun workstations are more expensive not by a super large margin but it's still more (care to check their websites and build a similar machine).

On conclusion the mac pro is very well priced considered it's targeted market,university's, universitary students (like me but currently in drop out for health reasons :(), hospitals, power-users that don't want to custom build their workstations...

That;s funny, HP was actualy cheaper for me... but there missing the dual CPU.

Dell was more expensive, but GOD I had the option that would make apple offer considered a joke.

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

It all comes down to PREFERENCE.

My God, are you guys this ignorant?

How many times do I have to state it. You cannot, I repeat, cannot possibly state one is better than the other. It is logically impossible. So stop arguing your opinions to death and realize it's all a matter of PREFERENCE. Take your bias into account, and formulate the reason as to why you prefer one over the other. This place lacks the integrity of objectivity. There really is no superior machine. Mac or PC. PS3 or 360. Heck 360 or PC. Preference, preference, preference, preference. Sorry I had to ruin all the fun, but this is total BS what you guys are fighting about.

Bebi_vegeta

Easy on it m8.

I didn't finish doing my research... glad it's already friday and 23:02 :)

Now lets talk about oem built, so lets match the mac pro against the top of the line HP and Sun in US territory.

Few minutes l8ter

I've seen their sites and config options and compared to them the mac pro wins on the price even trough it doesn't bring features like SAS support on board or doesn't have as much choice on professional video cards, actually you only have the quadro 4800 or expandability.

I agree it's cheaper to custom build it (at least in the US, hehe), but as I pointed similar specked HP and Sun workstations are more expensive not by a super large margin but it's still more (care to check their websites and build a similar machine).

On conclusion the mac pro is very well priced considered it's targeted market,university's, universitary students (like me but currently in drop out for health reasons :(), hospitals, power-users that don't want to custom build their workstations...

That;s funny, HP was actualy cheaper for me... but there missing the dual CPU.

Dell was more expensive, but GOD I had the option that would make apple offer considered a joke.

Cool mate,

I've just grasped over the dual socket z800 but it doesn't include tax, did you noticed that on the one's that you checked, plus this one has a 614 dollars promotion, anywayshp z800.

Games you can install windows for that, it doesn't defeat the purpose of owning an apple badged pc, I have it alongside with solaris.

Even during the ppc days, you had ppc linux and that didn't defeat the purpose of picking an IBM power+ workstation over the powermac since osX was your primary OS.

musician's dream......macs run music programs so much better than pc, thats about it

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

Easy on it m8.

I didn't finish doing my research... glad it's already friday and 23:02 :)

Now lets talk about oem built, so lets match the mac pro against the top of the line HP and Sun in US territory.

Few minutes l8ter

I've seen their sites and config options and compared to them the mac pro wins on the price even trough it doesn't bring features like SAS support on board or doesn't have as much choice on professional video cards, actually you only have the quadro 4800 or expandability.

I agree it's cheaper to custom build it (at least in the US, hehe), but as I pointed similar specked HP and Sun workstations are more expensive not by a super large margin but it's still more (care to check their websites and build a similar machine).

On conclusion the mac pro is very well priced considered it's targeted market,university's, universitary students (like me but currently in drop out for health reasons :(), hospitals, power-users that don't want to custom build their workstations...

Major_Reeves

That;s funny, HP was actualy cheaper for me... but there missing the dual CPU.

Dell was more expensive, but GOD I had the option that would make apple offer considered a joke.

Cool mate,

I've just grasped over the dual socket z800 but it doesn't include tax, did you noticed that on the one's that you checked, plus this one has a 614 dollars promotion, anywayshp z800.

Games you can install windows for that, it doesn't defeat the purpose of owning an apple badged pc, I have it alongside with solaris.

Even during the ppc days, you had ppc linux and that didn't defeat the purpose of picking an IBM power+ workstation over the powermac since osX was your primary OS.

Usualy people with worksation PC, also have a workstation video card, which is not really ment for gaming... but i'd be intrigue to see how the lastest and greatest workstation card perform.

[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

It all comes down to PREFERENCE.

My God, are you guys this ignorant?

How many times do I have to state it. You cannot, I repeat, cannot possibly state one is better than the other. It is logically impossible. So stop arguing your opinions to death and realize it's all a matter of PREFERENCE. Take your bias into account, and formulate the reason as to why you prefer one over the other. This place lacks the integrity of objectivity. There really is no superior machine. Mac or PC. PS3 or 360. Heck 360 or PC. Preference, preference, preference, preference. Sorry I had to ruin all the fun, but this is total BS what you guys are fighting about.

Bebi_vegeta

It's not all about preference sir...

For example, I want to play the lastest games... I have no choice but to get windows.

Just as generally, if you like to create any sort of media, you would prefer a Mac.

DonPerian

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

That;s funny, HP was actualy cheaper for me... but there missing the dual CPU.

Dell was more expensive, but GOD I had the option that would make apple offer considered a joke.

Bebi_vegeta

Cool mate,

I've just grasped over the dual socket z800 but it doesn't include tax, did you noticed that on the one's that you checked, plus this one has a 614 dollars promotion, anywayshp z800.

Games you can install windows for that, it doesn't defeat the purpose of owning an apple badged pc, I have it alongside with solaris.

Even during the ppc days, you had ppc linux and that didn't defeat the purpose of picking an IBM power+ workstation over the powermac since osX was your primary OS.

Usualy people with worksation PC, also have a workstation video card, which is not really ment for gaming... but i'd be intrigue to see how the lastest and greatest workstation card perform.

Not that usual, ment for gaming or not they would smoke every open gl game due to their optimized drivers.

The top quadro, the fx5800 spots the same core of the gtx 280 wile featuring more vram.

The second best quadro, the fx 4800 has the same core of the gtx 260 wile featuring *again* more vram.

On the quadro line you basically pay for certification, optimized open gl and cuda drivers, nothing that a gaming grade card can't do, plus the gtx 285 beats the quadro 4800 on osX even with it's "unoptimized" drivers wile costing 1200 euros less. Unless you want to install 2 or need all that vram (...), otherwise, don't bother.

musician's dream......macs run music programs so much better than pc, thats about it

lpjazzman220

[QUOTE="lpjazzman220"]

musician's dream......macs run music programs so much better than pc, thats about it

markop2003

Logic studio doesn't come bundled,

there's no advantage on the windows side, everything works on both.

And it's true, musicians prefer osX over windows, like some prefer logic over protools or both.

More info, care to checkhereand don't forget to watch the nine inch nails comment on logic :!:

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

It all comes down to PREFERENCE.

My God, are you guys this ignorant?

How many times do I have to state it. You cannot, I repeat, cannot possibly state one is better than the other. It is logically impossible. So stop arguing your opinions to death and realize it's all a matter of PREFERENCE. Take your bias into account, and formulate the reason as to why you prefer one over the other. This place lacks the integrity of objectivity. There really is no superior machine. Mac or PC. PS3 or 360. Heck 360 or PC. Preference, preference, preference, preference. Sorry I had to ruin all the fun, but this is total BS what you guys are fighting about.

DonPerian

It's not all about preference sir...

For example, I want to play the lastest games... I have no choice but to get windows.

Did you miss the part where I had no choice to get Windows if I wanted to play games. If I had the choice then it would of been a matter of preference... hello?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

Cool mate,

I've just grasped over the dual socket z800 but it doesn't include tax, did you noticed that on the one's that you checked, plus this one has a 614 dollars promotion, anywayshp z800.

Games you can install windows for that, it doesn't defeat the purpose of owning an apple badged pc, I have it alongside with solaris.

Even during the ppc days, you had ppc linux and that didn't defeat the purpose of picking an IBM power+ workstation over the powermac since osX was your primary OS.

Major_Reeves

Usualy people with worksation PC, also have a workstation video card, which is not really ment for gaming... but i'd be intrigue to see how the lastest and greatest workstation card perform.

Not that usual, ment for gaming or not they would smoke every open gl game due to their optimized drivers.

The top quadro, the fx5800 spots the same core of the gtx 280 wile featuring more vram.

The second best quadro, the fx 4800 has the same core of the gtx 260 wile featuring *again* more vram.

On the quadro line you basically pay for certification, optimized open gl and cuda drivers, nothing that a gaming grade card can't do, plus the gtx 285 beats the quadro 4800 on osX even with it's "unoptimized" drivers wile costing 1200 euros less. Unless you want to install 2 or need all that vram (...), otherwise, don't bother.

Do you have some benchmarks in games?

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Usualy people with worksation PC, also have a workstation video card, which is not really ment for gaming... but i'd be intrigue to see how the lastest and greatest workstation card perform.

Not that usual, ment for gaming or not they would smoke every open gl game due to their optimized drivers.

Bebi_vegeta

The top quadro, the fx5800 spots the same core of the gtx 280 wile featuring more vram.

The second best quadro, the fx 4800 has the same core of the gtx 260 wile featuring *again* more vram.

On the quadro line you basically pay for certification, optimized open gl and cuda drivers, nothing that a gaming grade card can't do, plus the gtx 285 beats the quadro 4800 on osX even with it's "unoptimized" drivers wile costing 1200 euros less. Unless you want to install 2 or need all that vram (...), otherwise, don't bother.

Do you have some benchmarks in games?

Go tobarefeats,

but pretty much you'll see the gtx 285 blowing both the fx4800 and the radeon 4870.

Also note that games ported from direct x to open gl in order to work on osX fail due to optimization.

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="lpjazzman220"]

musician's dream......macs run music programs so much better than pc, thats about it

Major_Reeves

Logic studio doesn't come bundled,

there's no advantage on the windows side, everything works on both.

And it's true, musicians prefer osX over windows, like some prefer logic over protools or both.

More info, care to checkhereand don't forget to watch the nine inch nails comment on logic :!:

thing is, i'm a music major, and all of the professionals that i have seen, steve bailey, joe chambers, frank bongiorno, jerald shynett....look at uncw, trust me, they all use macs. so thats why im goin with that. and these have been doin this for awhile so they probably know what their doin.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

The top quadro, the fx5800 spots the same core of the gtx 280 wile featuring more vram.

The second best quadro, the fx 4800 has the same core of the gtx 260 wile featuring *again* more vram.

On the quadro line you basically pay for certification, optimized open gl and cuda drivers, nothing that a gaming grade card can't do, plus the gtx 285 beats the quadro 4800 on osX even with it's "unoptimized" drivers wile costing 1200 euros less. Unless you want to install 2 or need all that vram (...), otherwise, don't bother.

Major_Reeves

Do you have some benchmarks in games?

Go tobarefeats,

but pretty much you'll see the gtx 285 blowing both the fx4800 and the radeon 4870.

Also note that games ported from direct x to open gl in order to work on osX fail due to optimization.

I want some gaming benchmark ot the Fx5800...

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Do you have some benchmarks in games?

Bebi_vegeta

Go tobarefeats,

but pretty much you'll see the gtx 285 blowing both the fx4800 and the radeon 4870.

Also note that games ported from direct x to open gl in order to work on osX fail due to optimization.

I want some gaming benchmark ot the Fx5800...

There aren't,

I've even checked on google, but you wont see better performance than your normal gtx 285 on dx stuff, plus the quadros operate at a lower clock in order to be more stable when their being taxed with your maya, 3ds, mathematica, etc. workload..

And I doubt there's someone on this planet that would buy a 3100 dollars video card with the "word" game on their mind.

Macs are just better. I think we should leave it at that.Nidget

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

Go tobarefeats,

but pretty much you'll see the gtx 285 blowing both the fx4800 and the radeon 4870.

Also note that games ported from direct x to open gl in order to work on osX fail due to optimization.

Major_Reeves

I want some gaming benchmark ot the Fx5800...

There aren't,

I've even checked on google, but you wont see better performance than your normal gtx 285 on dx stuff, plus the quadros operate at a lower clock in order to be more stable when their being taxed with your maya, 3ds, mathematica, etc. workload..

And I doubt there's someone on this planet that would buy a 3100 dollars video card with the "word" game on their mind.

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

[QUOTE="markop2003"] Only at the low end with the bundled software? do they have the advantage with such media creation apps. The high end tends to use windows due to better compatibility with a hell of a lot of professional extras, at the top end they tend to be rack mounts and all they do is host samples the rest is done using dedicated equipment.lpjazzman220

Logic studio doesn't come bundled,

there's no advantage on the windows side, everything works on both.

And it's true, musicians prefer osX over windows, like some prefer logic over protools or both.

More info, care to checkhereand don't forget to watch the nine inch nails comment on logic :!:

thing is, i'm a music major, and all of the professionals that i have seen, steve bailey, joe chambers, frank bongiorno, jerald shynett....look at uncw, trust me, they all use macs. so thats why im goin with that. and these have been doin this for awhile so they probably know what their doin.

[QUOTE="lpjazzman220"]

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

Logic studio doesn't come bundled,

there's no advantage on the windows side, everything works on both.

And it's true, musicians prefer osX over windows, like some prefer logic over protools or both.

More info, care to checkhereand don't forget to watch the nine inch nails comment on logic :!:

HuusAsking

thing is, i'm a music major, and all of the professionals that i have seen, steve bailey, joe chambers, frank bongiorno, jerald shynett....look at uncw, trust me, they all use macs. so thats why im goin with that. and these have been doin this for awhile so they probably know what their doin.

i agree with you completely. anything i need to do for school gets done in the computer lab. everything else gets done at home on my pc....video games galore

[QUOTE="lpjazzman220"]

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

Logic studio doesn't come bundled,

there's no advantage on the windows side, everything works on both.

And it's true, musicians prefer osX over windows, like some prefer logic over protools or both.

More info, care to checkhereand don't forget to watch the nine inch nails comment on logic :!:

HuusAsking

thing is, i'm a music major, and all of the professionals that i have seen, steve bailey, joe chambers, frank bongiorno, jerald shynett....look at uncw, trust me, they all use macs. so thats why im goin with that. and these have been doin this for awhile so they probably know what their doin.

No .NET. 7. No Silverlight. 9. No automatic updates.NBSRDan

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]

The challenge is simple, 10 worthwhile things that make a MAC better than a PC, I'm curious because random friends of mine seem to be buying macs, whenever you ask "why" they have absolutely no come backs ever, its laughable.

System Wars valid right? I want 10 good reasons, and dont give us crap like "we can run windows" ... yea we can run OS X aswell, defeats the purpose of buying a more expensive machine right?

Zero_epyon

1. Resolution goes up to 1600x1050.

2. There are numerous Macintosh programs available to emulate Windows, so a Macintosh machine can be both Macintosh and Windows, while a Windows machine can only be Windows.

3. Master volume slider takes less than an hour to load.

4. Force Quit works.

5. The system for installing programs is safer.

6. No .NET.

7. No Silverlight.

8. No nagware updates.

9. No automatic updates.

10. No Genuine Advantage.NBSRDan

1. big deal, resolution goes higher on PCs. 1920×1200, 1920×1080. at least you can change the screen on pcs.

2. never going to be as good as native, and it defeats the purpose of buying a mac (buy a mac to put windows on it?). on the other hand, windows doesn't need to emulate macosx because there's either always a windows version or something equivalent.

3. what

4. i'd expect it to

5. only if you are a silly boy

6. get educated

7. get educated

8. change options

9. these are good

10. wouldn't be a problem if you weren't a pirate