Yeah people are confused and think Macs are generally more secure then Windows, but its actually the oppsite. OSX isnt coded better so that hackers cant touch it, and Steve Jobs uses his magical powers to make macs virus free.
10 legit things that make Mac's better than PCs challenge.
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Yes but Don't Macs Generally use different types of Hardware that is exclusive to their brand? Sorry if i am Mistaken[QUOTE="walkingdream"][QUOTE="organic_machine"]
Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure Macs have a motherboard, processor, ram, graphics card, dics drive, power supply, etc.
Fizzman
They did, but then they went with Intel so now the insides are virtually identical.
The fact that Windows-based PCs are 100% upgradable is what makes them different hardware wise, excluding laptops to a certain extent. When you buy a Mac it generally stays like that forever. I JUST went into the apple store and they are charging me 1000$ for a 4GB RAM upgrade... Seriously W. T. F. I can go to Newegg and get a 4GB RAM Kit that will cost me 30$, which is of higher quality Corsair/Kingston/G.Skill brand and that will save me 970$.Isn't Avid still more popular though? At least worldwide I think it is.It being about an exact clone of FCP (which it isn't, not by a mile, but it's still an excellent piece of software) has nothing to do with the fact that FCS is a standard in the industry.
DonPerian
I disagree. Sure some models had problems with batteries but that's true to every laptop including Macbooks, batteries are constantly recalled for every laptop brand.[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]
[QUOTE="Uptown"]
My company has a bunch of Thinkpads R900 and T61 models. The R900 has a problem with it's battery. It tends to stop the laptop from posting. Lenovo's service is really good. Personally, I liked the new Dell Precision M4400 more than the current ThinkPads. ThinkPads were really good a few years ago when they were a part of IBM. I would say currently, HP and Dell have better laptops for business work. Mac Book Pros are easily better than all of them.
sleepingzzz
And how is Macbook better? It's keyboard is nowhere near Thinkpad, it has very uncomfortable shape (the sharp edge where your wrists lie is a nightmare), throw in lack of trackpoint, glossy screens, backlit keyboard (which looks nice, but it's inferior compared to Thinklight when it comes to basic functionality) and get hotter than Thinkpads (it's not a very good idea to keep Macbooks on your lap). All those make Macbooks far inferior for business purposes. I could understand how somebody would prefer it for graphical work, but for business? nah
[QUOTE="walkingdream"]
Yes but Don't Macs Generally use different types of Hardware that is exclusive to their brand? Sorry if i am MistakenMateria_Ashes
Nope. Ever since the switch to Intel, Macs use the same exact off the shelf parts that you can find in Windows PCs. The only thing that separates Macs from other PCs is the case and the Operating System.
A lot of people here are posting without ever owning a Mac and/or understanding the structure of the OS. By design, the Mac OS is more secure than Windows. The Max OS uses Unix as its foundation. Unix was designed to be a multi-user, networked operating system. Windows was designed as a stand-alone single PC OS. Unix has been around forever and just about everything has been done with it. Unix is bullet proof. Windows has been trying to be more secure with making the Admin account more like root. The Tree directory structure is also superior to Windows Directory which tends to be messy. I'm not saying Mac OS can't get a virus but it's a lot harder than Windows.
Hell, Windows security is a joke. I can break into any physical XPVista machine put in front of me in less than 10 minutes and grab every file off of it. All I need is my CD. This is of course if no encryption software was used to secure the files. There is a reason why these encryption software companies make millions of dollars securing window files.
sleepingzzz
Did you happen to skip my post above: Macs hacked in seconds for the second straight year in Pwn2Own. So no they are not more secure than Windows. They are safer perhaps because most malware targets windows but it is flawed to call them more secure.
LOL, there is nothing that can't be hacked. But, at the same time the Mac getting hacked is news worthy. It was also a contest with tons of pro hackers. Of course they are going to get into it fast. Windows hacking can be done by anyone with just basic knowledge of using a computer in minutes.
http://gizmodo.com/246447/symantec-windows-is-most-secure-os Goes Windows, Linux, OSX.LOL, there is nothing that can't be hacked. But, at the same time the Mac getting hacked is news worthy. It was also a contest with tons of pro hackers. Of course they are going to get into it fast. Windows hacking can be done by anyone with just basic knowledge of using a computer in minutes.
sleepingzzz
I've been running my home-built PC for 8 months now without a single crash almost nonstop, only rebooting for Service Pack and minor updates, downloading stuff 24/7, sometimes leaving a game on that takes 80% of my resources and even surfing the web, writing documents, photo editing on Photoshop CS4 and video/music editing on Sony Vegas, sometimes all at the same time. And only using Comodo Internet Security for protecting my computer against viruses and malware. That's what I call reliable. [QUOTE="Fizzman"][QUOTE="walkingdream"] Yes but Don't Macs Generally use different types of Hardware that is exclusive to their brand? Sorry if i am Mistakennintendog66
They did, but then they went with Intel so now the insides are virtually identical.
The fact that Windows-based PCs are 100% upgradable is what makes them different hardware wise, excluding laptops to a certain extent. When you buy a Mac it generally stays like that forever. I JUST went into the apple store and they are charging me 1000$ for a 4GB RAM upgrade... Seriously W. T. F. I can go to Newegg and get a 4GB RAM Kit that will cost me 30$, which is of higher quality Corsair/Kingston/G.Skill brand and that will save me 970$.I am pretty sure you can upgrade the amount of RAM on a mac yourself.
LOL, there is nothing that can't be hacked. But, at the same time the Mac getting hacked is news worthy. It was also a contest with tons of pro hackers. Of course they are going to get into it fast. Windows hacking can be done by anyone with just basic knowledge of using a computer in minutes.
sleepingzzz
Great job at ignoring the fact that the Mac was the first one hacked. First of all, the zero point initiative would have been in the news even if it was windows that was hacked first so the article is not about "lol at macs they got haxxored first!!" but about security flaws with each platform. More people hack Windows because almost all major corporation run on windows, if you want to make money or get information why would you target a system that is used by less than 10% of the market? As for saying that anyone with basic knowledge of computers can hack windows in minutes that is just bull****. You must be one of those pissed off script kiddies mad that no one uses windows 95 anymore.
1) OS is better in so many ways. The fact that windows is simply copying Mac OSX now proves it.
2) Better Audio/Midi connections. Less latency on Mac's standard Audio driver then the best 3rd party drivers on a PC.
3) Standardized hardware means that less can go wrong with updates.
4) No need to jump through hoops to install another OS on a MAC.
5) Programs are yours to throw around as you please. Don't like it? just delete it, want to move it? Just do it. A windows PC has strict registry's, so things get left behind or messes other parts of your pc if you delete or move some of your programs.
6) Updating the OS cost 35$ this time around... how much is Windows 7?
7) You don't need to call apple when you upgrade your hardware and/or reinstall OSX... Windows Activation is annoying as hell.
8 ) You do not need to Defrag a Mac.
9) International support is standard. You will see every language, can switch it to type different characters without having to install additional files.
10) From the laptops, to the desktops, to the PRO... they have a much better form factor then their PC counterparts.
Hey did it without mentioning looks, virus and crashing!
Reasons PC is better:
1) Games
Do I really need more?
[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"]http://gizmodo.com/246447/symantec-windows-is-most-secure-os Goes Windows, Linux, OSX. I take it back. I looked it up and you're right. It is easier to hack a Mac OS due to safari having little protection while IE has tons of security patches from constantly being targeted.LOL, there is nothing that can't be hacked. But, at the same time the Mac getting hacked is news worthy. It was also a contest with tons of pro hackers. Of course they are going to get into it fast. Windows hacking can be done by anyone with just basic knowledge of using a computer in minutes.
skrat_01
macbook pro's RAM and HDD can be upgraded...easily.. :| i did it for someone i know.. and we all know any OS is possible to be exploited. I can't believe this is still an open discussion.. when clearly it's just preference... it's been said before and said once more. If people want mac, don't question it with a "Why" let them be it's their choice. If people want a PC, same thing. :| PREFERENCE. someone make a P R E F E R E N C E song.
I take it back :) it's a discussion. lets argue which is better.
My vote overall goes to PC. Why?
EH read other posts
[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"]
LOL, there is nothing that can't be hacked. But, at the same time the Mac getting hacked is news worthy. It was also a contest with tons of pro hackers. Of course they are going to get into it fast. Windows hacking can be done by anyone with just basic knowledge of using a computer in minutes.
Materia_Ashes
Great job at ignoring the fact that the Mac was the first one hacked. First of all, the zero point initiative would have been in the news even if it was windows that was hacked first so the article is not about "lol at macs they got haxxored first!!" but about security flaws with each platform. More people hack Windows because almost all major corporation run on windows, if you want to make money or get information why would you target a system that is used by less than 10% of the market? As for saying that anyone with basic knowledge of computers can hack windows in minutes that is just bull****. You must be one of those pissed off script kiddies mad that no one uses windows 95 anymore.
Yes, I was wrong about Mac being more secure. As for getting window files that's not bull. Plenty of free Linux distros that allow you to boot from cd and see all the windows files on a system. You can just take a usb drive and move the files over. Requires no skill or scripts.1) OS is better in so many ways. The fact that windows is simply copying Mac OSX now proves it.
The only thing MS copied was the Dock, which was just integrated into the superior taskbar....
2) Better Audio/Midi connections. Less latency on Mac's standard Audio driver then the best 3rd party drivers on a PC.
Audio drivers seriously???? Ill give you that just as a throw away.
3) Standardized hardware means that less can go wrong with updates.
Yeah thats a real benefit im stuck with the same machine so i cant upgrade at all so i can just get charged for a brand new computer instead of upgrading my video card.
4) No need to jump through hoops to install another OS on a MAC.
What hoops are you referring to? putting a CD in a disk tray, which im pretty sure mac users have to do that too.
5) Programs are yours to throw around as you please. Don't like it? just delete it, want to move it? Just do it. A windows PC has strict registry's, so things get left behind or messes other parts of your pc if you delete or move some of your programs.
Yeah its called add remove programs, and i guess you are referring to left over code, which is also present in Mac's.
6) Updating the OS cost 35$ this time around... how much is Windows 7?
You are getting a service pack for 35bucks which Windows offers for free. Steve jobs said its a service pack verbatem.
7) You don't need to call apple when you upgrade your hardware and/or reinstall OSX... Windows Activation is annoying as hell.
I am not sure where you got that from i have changed out my motherboard, videocard, and my ram in my current computer, and not once was i forced to call MS. Yeah Windows activation is really annoying pressing the button to activate, and bam thats super hard my finger is in agony.
8) You do not need to Defrag a Mac.
Dont need to do it in Windows 7 either
9) International support is standard. You will see every language, can switch it to type different characters without having to install additional files.
Umm Windows 7
10) From the laptops, to the desktops, to the PRO... they have a much better form factor then their PC counterparts.
Yeah too that makes zero sense considering Macs are one standard case, whereas PC's you can have them custom made to whatever size you want. ATX, Micro ATX, the list goes on, and on.
Hey did it without mentioning looks, virus and crashing!
hey you are totally right Macs dont crash or have viruses.
http://www.apple.com/support/hardware/
wtf is that for then since Steve Jobs must bless every mac before it leaves his Womb.
Reasons PC is better:
1) Games
2.
Do I really need more?
AntiType
Yes, I was wrong about Mac being more secure. As for getting window files that's not bull. Plenty of free Linux distros that allow you to boot from cd and see all the windows files on a system. You can just take a usb drive and move the files over. Requires no skill or scripts.sleepingzzz
That's not hacking... you could easily do the same thing with any PC: windows, mac or linux. I often run Ubuntu from a USB key to recover files from crashes. This can be done on any platform.
^ Read it. It's the truth. Windows is an amazing operating system if you think about it. There are more possible hardware configurations than there are people on the planet. It's amazing that windows runs at all. Microsoft doesn't get enough credit.Ill post this yet again since I think people just try and look past facts. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/hack-windows-security-snow-leopard,8704.html
Killfox
1) OS is better in so many ways. The fact that windows is simply copying Mac OSX now proves it.
2) Better Audio/Midi connections. Less latency on Mac's standard Audio driver then the best 3rd party drivers on a PC.
3) Standardized hardware means that less can go wrong with updates.
4) No need to jump through hoops to install another OS on a MAC.
5) Programs are yours to throw around as you please. Don't like it? just delete it, want to move it? Just do it. A windows PC has strict registry's, so things get left behind or messes other parts of your pc if you delete or move some of your programs.
6) Updating the OS cost 35$ this time around... how much is Windows 7?
7) You don't need to call apple when you upgrade your hardware and/or reinstall OSX... Windows Activation is annoying as hell.
8 ) You do not need to Defrag a Mac.
9) International support is standard. You will see every language, can switch it to type different characters without having to install additional files.
10) From the laptops, to the desktops, to the PRO... they have a much better form factor then their PC counterparts.
Hey did it without mentioning looks, virus and crashing!
Reasons PC is better:
1) Games
Do I really need more?
AntiType
And for that reason alone for the PC, I don't own a MAC... Game over!
You also have a few points I would disagree... but, whatever.
You've also forgot that you can only instal a MAC OS on a MAC computer ... since it's not legal to instal it on a PC.
And since MACs are pricier... no way would I ever get one.
[QUOTE="AntiType"]
1) OS is better in so many ways. The fact that windows is simply copying Mac OSX now proves it.
The only thing MS copied was the Dock, which was just integrated into the superior taskbar....
Search, file preview, widgets...
2) Better Audio/Midi connections. Less latency on Mac's standard Audio driver then the best 3rd party drivers on a PC.
Audio drivers seriously???? Ill give you that just as a throw away.
Computers are tools for many uses. Audio editing and music is one of them. It counts.
3) Standardized hardware means that less can go wrong with updates.
Yeah thats a real benefit im stuck with the same machine so i cant upgrade at all so i can just get charged for a brand new computer instead of upgrading my video card.
You can upgrade your video card on a Mac.
4) No need to jump through hoops to install another OS on a MAC.
What hoops are you referring to? putting a CD in a disk tray, which im pretty sure mac users have to do that too.
Do you have more then windows installed on your PC? Do you know anything about this subject?
5) Programs are yours to throw around as you please. Don't like it? just delete it, want to move it? Just do it. A windows PC has strict registry's, so things get left behind or messes other parts of your pc if you delete or move some of your programs.
Yeah its called add remove programs, and i guess you are referring to left over code, which is also present in Mac's.
Being able to just delete a program is much better then uninstalling one. Do you back up your computer? Windows registery often gets restored when the actual files are gone. what a mess.
6) Updating the OS cost 35$ this time around... how much is Windows 7?
You are getting a service pack for 35bucks which Windows offers for free. Steve jobs said its a service pack verbatem.
Windows 7 is NOT a service pack?
7) You don't need to call apple when you upgrade your hardware and/or reinstall OSX... Windows Activation is annoying as hell.
I am not sure where you got that from i have changed out my motherboard, videocard, and my ram in my current computer, and not once was i forced to call MS. Yeah Windows activation is really annoying pressing the button to activate, and bam thats super hard my finger is in agony.
Others have issues with activation when changing hardware. Look it up. This is not an issue with an OS with no required activation.
8) You do not need to Defrag a Mac.
Dont need to do it in Windows 7 either
One quick google search unravels your lie.http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/01/26/how-windows-7-handles-disk-defragmenting/
9) International support is standard. You will see every language, can switch it to type different characters without having to install additional files.
Umm Windows 7
Umm... do you know anythign about Windows 7?http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/07/07/engineering-windows-7-for-a-global-market.aspx
10) From the laptops, to the desktops, to the PRO... they have a much better form factor then their PC counterparts.
Yeah too that makes zero sense considering Macs are one standard case, whereas PC's you can have them custom made to whatever size you want. ATX, Micro ATX, the list goes on, and on.
Compare laptops with specs and size.
Hey did it without mentioning looks, virus and crashing!
hey you are totally right Macs dont crash or have viruses.
http://www.apple.com/support/hardware/
No one here said that it does not have virus or do not crash. What is said is that there is LESS of it. LESS is better.
wtf is that for then since Steve Jobs must bless every mac before it leaves his Womb.
Reasons PC is better:
1) Games
2.
Do I really need more?
Fizzman
Both operating systems are really good, and they both have advantages and disadvantages.
The main one I have to argue about though is flexibility. Windows have DOS and System utilities so that you can run all sorts of languages on it just by setting up some class paths. System in-software adjustments can also be done on the fly, provided you know how.
The Mac have the adjustments too, but most of the time you have to download open-source softwares. They're not bad at all, and also take up relatively low amount of space, so you can argue both ways. And as for different programming languages you almost HAVE to download IDE's. Call me an idiot, but I have no clue how to set up java to run my codes from class(despite the MAC is preloaded with java). :?
For people not in computer programming, DOS I found out recently is actually an AMAZING thing to have in your system. The Mac doesn't have that, and utility preferences aren't as expansive(don't know if this is true on desktop Macs, I'm using macbook pro), but clearly the whole point for this low flexibility is to provide a much tighter experience and you won't get the option to screw around with the nitbits of your computer so unlike windows if you accidentally deleted something in the systems folder your whole OS could be done for good.
The Mac is also a lot more stable, like some other guy said in this thread, unless you're doing system updates, you will never need to reboot your system due to errors ocurring.
-You never get hacked using a Mac.
-One teeny tiny feature I've got to say: iMovie blows windows movie maker out of the water, they can't even be compared, and both these softwares comes with their respective OS's when you buy them.
Hell, don't know if you guys know this or not, but most of the time I'm on system wars, I'm typing and reading on my macbook pro. Love this machine. :)
1) OS is better in so many ways. The fact that windows is simply copying Mac OSX now proves it.
Funny, Considering Mac OSX is built around Unix and other open source technologies. If you had to ask me, those OS would beat OSX and Windows. But in terms of the two OSX is leagues ahead of Windows. From EFI to Hybrid Kernels in Snow Leopard, and PAE. EFI and PAE has been around for years now but Windows still hasn't got support for it. In fact they had support for it in XP SP1 and then later removed it (PAE, not EFI). Throughout history Apple have pushed quite a bit of tech into the mainstream market. Whilst they might not have been invented by Apple in all cases, Apple were responsible for it's mainstream uptake. Example? USB. Intel had it going for ages but Microsoft didn't want to hear about it, until when Apple took up full support for it and it took until Windows to reach W98SE to give some half-arsed support for mass storage devices via USB. 32-bit OSX systems can use 32GB of ram because of PAE (Although the notebooks are physically limited to 8). Windows needs a 64-bit kernel running the 64-bit apps with a 64-bit OS to even consider more than 4GB of ram (Actually closer to 3.2GB because of the way x86 works with MMIO)[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Don't think this is system wars worthy but I'll give it a shot. 1) Reliability - This is my top reason. I have had my computer on doing general office work, Virtualization, Basic Web browsing and programming for 3 months straight. Only have to reboot for a system update. 2) Compatibility - Works seamlessly with my iPhone, iPod, Windows Servers, Exchange Servers, Apple TV. 3) Hardware - I have a mac pro at work. It's has 2 quad core xeon cpu's with 12 GB of ram. It's hard to find something like this for pc unless you want to build it yourself. 4) Virtualization - Yes windows can do it too but it's more technical than that. Mac is built on unix which faster and more stable than windows. Therefore my virtualization projects run better on a mac. And it's not just windows, it's linux and os x server. 5) ilife - a free package of web designing, music creating and photo editing software that comes ready to go. 6) One version of the OS. No need to choose which features you want or not. It all comes standard. I can't think of any more at the moment. A lot is hard to describe. You have to use one to see. Once you do you'd be speechless like the rest of us.The challenge is simple, 10 worthwhile things that make a MAC better than a PC, I'm curious because random friends of mine seem to be buying macs, whenever you ask "why" they have absolutely no come backs ever, its laughable.
System Wars valid right? I want 10 good reasons, and dont give us crap like "we can run windows" ... yea we can run OS X aswell, defeats the purpose of buying a more expensive machine right?
Zero_epyon
Can't say i really agree with you on hardware... Whilst at the extreme end which you used as an example they are pretty much equal or MAC might be cheaper the high-low end is absolutely dominated by window and linux based PC's. They are more powerful, cheaper and of signifcantly better quality than any MAC with similar hardware or at a similar pricepoint.
Your first point is not support but the argument itself which is moot. There are registry cleaners for Windows and you can install delete whatever you want (do you know how to use Windows?). My Windows 7 copy is free (university discount). Windows 7 is more secure. Your only valid point is the defrag and even that is not such a big deal. Mac has been staying behind lately in features and security.1) OS is better in so many ways. The fact that windows is simply copying Mac OSX now proves it.
2) Better Audio/Midi connections. Less latency on Mac's standard Audio driver then the best 3rd party drivers on a PC.
3) Standardized hardware means that less can go wrong with updates.
4) No need to jump through hoops to install another OS on a MAC.
5) Programs are yours to throw around as you please. Don't like it? just delete it, want to move it? Just do it. A windows PC has strict registry's, so things get left behind or messes other parts of your pc if you delete or move some of your programs.
6) Updating the OS cost 35$ this time around... how much is Windows 7?
7) You don't need to call apple when you upgrade your hardware and/or reinstall OSX... Windows Activation is annoying as hell.
8 ) You do not need to Defrag a Mac.
9) International support is standard. You will see every language, can switch it to type different characters without having to install additional files.
10) From the laptops, to the desktops, to the PRO... they have a much better form factor then their PC counterparts.
Hey did it without mentioning looks, virus and crashing!
Reasons PC is better:
1) Games
Do I really need more?
AntiType
and dont give us crap like "we can run windows" ... yea we can run OS X aswell, defeats the purpose of buying a more expensive machine right?Birdy09To that, considering this is GameSpot, I wouldn't tout "We can run Windows" anyway unless you can run the full Windows gamut...without rebooting. To date, I don't think anyone's been able to get demanding games like Crysis running on a Mac without rebooting.
Whoa this thread is still going? Im shocked but still, I cant go through everyones from here :P 1. You can get better looking custom PCs... not everyone likes boring undustrial silver finish... 2. thats very debatable when custom PCs are envolved. 3. Preference... used OS X for 2 years nothing special. 4. easiest how? fastest how? 5. The virus excuse again really?... most viruses are harmless. 6. no... the 3rd party programs are. 7. ... Il research that. 8. Ok nice, but so is XP and Win7 9. Ok not bad. 10. File Sharing is EASY period. 11. defeats the prupose of the mac in the first place.1. They look a lot better.
2. They are built a lot better.
3. They have the best operating system.
4. They are the easiest and fastest to use.
5. Far less risk from viruses.
6. Far superior for anything related to image/video/audio editing.
7. They come loaded with amazing software, instead of rubbish trials like Windows.
8. Incredibly fast and reliable sleep mode and boot up times.
9. Backlit keyboards and trackpads on the new Macbooks are fantastic.
10. File Sharing is a lot easier.
11. Anyone that feels the need to run Windows can run it natively, if they want too.Asim90
people need to decide what there comparing, windows is an OS, mac is an OS and hardware, at the end of the day the only single reason to own a pc is if you have a gaming rig.
p.s running a pirate hacked version of osx you got from a torrent is not exactly legal
[QUOTE="AntiType"]Your first point is not support but the argument itself which is moot. There are registry cleaners for Windows and you can install delete whatever you want (do you know how to use Windows?). My Windows 7 copy is free (university discount). Windows 7 is more secure. Your only valid point is the defrag and even that is not such a big deal. Mac has been staying behind lately in features and security. The fact that you need to use a registry cleaner in the first place is the problem. By your logic Macs aren't more expensive than a PC because if you just spent more time working and getting paid it wouldn't be a problem.1) OS is better in so many ways. The fact that windows is simply copying Mac OSX now proves it.
2) Better Audio/Midi connections. Less latency on Mac's standard Audio driver then the best 3rd party drivers on a PC.
3) Standardized hardware means that less can go wrong with updates.
4) No need to jump through hoops to install another OS on a MAC.
5) Programs are yours to throw around as you please. Don't like it? just delete it, want to move it? Just do it. A windows PC has strict registry's, so things get left behind or messes other parts of your pc if you delete or move some of your programs.
6) Updating the OS cost 35$ this time around... how much is Windows 7?
7) You don't need to call apple when you upgrade your hardware and/or reinstall OSX... Windows Activation is annoying as hell.
8 ) You do not need to Defrag a Mac.
9) International support is standard. You will see every language, can switch it to type different characters without having to install additional files.
10) From the laptops, to the desktops, to the PRO... they have a much better form factor then their PC counterparts.
Hey did it without mentioning looks, virus and crashing!
Reasons PC is better:
1) Games
Do I really need more?
themyth01
[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="AntiType"]Your first point is not support but the argument itself which is moot. There are registry cleaners for Windows and you can install delete whatever you want (do you know how to use Windows?). My Windows 7 copy is free (university discount). Windows 7 is more secure. Your only valid point is the defrag and even that is not such a big deal. Mac has been staying behind lately in features and security. The fact that you need to use a registry cleaner in the first place is the problem. By your logic Macs aren't more expensive than a PC because if you just spent more time working and getting paid it wouldn't be a problem.1) OS is better in so many ways. The fact that windows is simply copying Mac OSX now proves it.
2) Better Audio/Midi connections. Less latency on Mac's standard Audio driver then the best 3rd party drivers on a PC.
3) Standardized hardware means that less can go wrong with updates.
4) No need to jump through hoops to install another OS on a MAC.
5) Programs are yours to throw around as you please. Don't like it? just delete it, want to move it? Just do it. A windows PC has strict registry's, so things get left behind or messes other parts of your pc if you delete or move some of your programs.
6) Updating the OS cost 35$ this time around... how much is Windows 7?
7) You don't need to call apple when you upgrade your hardware and/or reinstall OSX... Windows Activation is annoying as hell.
8 ) You do not need to Defrag a Mac.
9) International support is standard. You will see every language, can switch it to type different characters without having to install additional files.
10) From the laptops, to the desktops, to the PRO... they have a much better form factor then their PC counterparts.
Hey did it without mentioning looks, virus and crashing!
Reasons PC is better:
1) Games
Do I really need more?
fluxorator
What?
I rather build a high end custom PC then get a MAC any day.
The fact that you need to use a registry cleaner in the first place is the problem. By your logic Macs aren't more expensive than a PC because if you just spent more time working and getting paid it wouldn't be a problem.[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="themyth01"] Your first point is not support but the argument itself which is moot. There are registry cleaners for Windows and you can install delete whatever you want (do you know how to use Windows?). My Windows 7 copy is free (university discount). Windows 7 is more secure. Your only valid point is the defrag and even that is not such a big deal. Mac has been staying behind lately in features and security. Bebi_vegeta
What?
I rather build a high end custom PC then get a MAC any day.
And who buys a mac for gaming anyways?
Sure you can install windows and play something, I do it all the time when I'm not killing my mine with work.
Also windows 7 isn't more secure than Os 10,6 neither is more advanced, it's just what vista should have been.
Care to explain? sure
not unix
dll - hell
no 64 bit kernel
registry
open cl
better resources management, easier to develop multithreaded apps (GDC)
sdk's are free
And I think you guys are comparing windows 7 to what? panther or tiger? We are on snow leo now.
1) OS is better in so many ways. The fact that windows is simply copying Mac OSX now proves it.
Funny, Considering Mac OSX is built around Unix and other open source technologies. exactly, most of the features in osx have been copied for companies like stardock (yes apple copied the dock) apple doesn't invent anything they even tried to take ms to court over the gui and lost when xero got involved and ended up paying them lots of money. apple copes just as much as ms.[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="fluxorator"] The fact that you need to use a registry cleaner in the first place is the problem. By your logic Macs aren't more expensive than a PC because if you just spent more time working and getting paid it wouldn't be a problem.Major_Reeves
What?
I rather build a high end custom PC then get a MAC any day.
And who buys a mac for gaming anyways?
Sure you can install windows and play something, I do it all the time when I'm not killing my mine with work.
Also windows 7 isn't more secure than Os 10,6 neither is more advanced, it's just what vista should have been.
Care to explain? sure
not unix
dll - hell
no 64 bit kernel
registry
open cl
And I think you guys are comparing windows 7 to what? panther or tiger? We are on snow leo now.
You forgot PAE and EFI.Whoa this thread is still going? Im shocked but still, I cant go through everyones from here :P[QUOTE="Asim90"]
1. They look a lot better.
2. They are built a lot better.
3. They have the best operating system.
4. They are the easiest and fastest to use.
5. Far less risk from viruses.
6. Far superior for anything related to image/video/audio editing.
7. They come loaded with amazing software, instead of rubbish trials like Windows.
8. Incredibly fast and reliable sleep mode and boot up times.
9. Backlit keyboards and trackpads on the new Macbooks are fantastic.
10. File Sharing is a lot easier.
11. Anyone that feels the need to run Windows can run it natively, if they want too.Birdy09
1. You can get better looking custom PCs... not everyone likes boring undustrial silver finish... - No, you can't.
2. thats very debatable when custom PCs are envolved. - Mac's are the best built machines in the industry, deal with it. Show me another computer where the entire computer is one screen with one single cable. Mac's are engineering perfection.
3. Preference... used OS X for 2 years nothing special. - Fair point.
4. easiest how? fastest how? - Easiest and fastest for every day tasks. Also crashes a lot less.
5. The virus excuse again really?... most viruses are harmless. - How is that an excuse? You just seem desperate here. Viruses are a massive issue and a lot are harmful.
6. no... the 3rd party programs are. - Macs come pre-loaded with software that does all of the above, also the best applications are made only for Macs. i.e Aperture, Final Cut etc.
7. ... Il research that.
8. Ok nice, but so is XP and Win7 - Nowhere near as fast as a Mac. The sleep mode on Windows is also terrible compared to Macs. Mac's can sleep for weeks with no drop in performance. A windows PC is not capable of that.
9. Ok not bad.
10. File Sharing is EASY period. - Not always, I'm talking about sending photos.
11. defeats the prupose of the mac in the first place. - But its still there as an option.
[QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="AntiType"]Funny, Considering Mac OSX is built around Unix and other open source technologies. exactly, most of the features in osx have been copied for companies like stardock (yes apple copied the dock) apple doesn't invent anything they even tried to take ms to court over the gui and lost when xero got involved and ended up paying them lots of money. apple copes just as much as ms.1) OS is better in so many ways. The fact that windows is simply copying Mac OSX now proves it.
imprezawrx500
Sorry to burst your booble, apple copied the gui from xeros alto.
The dock came in when apple acquired nextstep.
[QUOTE="SergeAndKid"]Yea I agree Mac owns PC, PC=Virus HeavenBebi_vegeta
Are you talking about the OS or the computer?
I think hes talking about the Computer. Why i opened my case the other day and got myself a nasty case of Ebola! :lol:
[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
What?
I rather build a high end custom PC then get a MAC any day.
fluxorator
And who buys a mac for gaming anyways?
Sure you can install windows and play something, I do it all the time when I'm not killing my mine with work.
Also windows 7 isn't more secure than Os 10,6 neither is more advanced, it's just what vista should have been.
Care to explain? sure
not unix
dll - hell
no 64 bit kernel
registry
open cl
And I think you guys are comparing windows 7 to what? panther or tiger? We are on snow leo now.
You forgot PAE and EFI.The EFI doesn't add any advantage to the table.
PAE is no longer an advantage since sow leo has 64 bit kernel.
1) OS is better in so many ways. The fact that windows is simply copying Mac OSX now proves it.
the fact the windows is now copying what osx copied from stardock right nice logic. apple didn't invent the dock etc it was in use on windows well before osx
2) Better Audio/Midi connections. Less latency on Mac's standard Audio driver then the best 3rd party drivers on a PC.
sure apple has better intergrated drivers but lets see osx try and support 50 billion hardware combinations, it would fall over and die in seconds.
3) Standardized hardware means that less can go wrong with updates.
also means no chocie for the user. fixed hardware means the maker gives you stuff you don't want and wont give you what you want.
4) No need to jump through hoops to install another OS on a MAC.
what?
5) Programs are yours to throw around as you please. Don't like it? just delete it, want to move it? Just do it. A windows PC has strict registry's, so things get left behind or messes other parts of your pc if you delete or move some of your programs.
6) Updating the OS cost 35$ this time around... how much is Windows 7?
7) You don't need to call apple when you upgrade your hardware and/or reinstall OSX... Windows Activation is annoying as hell.
what?
8 ) You do not need to Defrag a Mac.
don't have to defrag a windows pc
9) International support is standard. You will see every language, can switch it to type different characters without having to install additional files.
10) From the laptops, to the desktops, to the PRO... they have a much better form factor then their PC counterparts.
they have nice laptops but the mac pro simply cannot compete with the top of the line windows workstations and they have terrible performance desktop options. imac = lowend pc and there is no other mac for the home
find the mac pro that can beat the best of theDell Precision T7500 which can have 4gb of vram and 9gb of system ram as well as dual 3.3ghz cpus.
lowend workstation or highend workstation pc offers you more. cheapest dell precision is a couple of grand cheaper than the cheapest mac pro with similar features and apple can get anywhere near the specs of the most maxed out dell.
apple wont give you more than dual 2.9ghz quads while dell gives you 3.3ghz apple wont give more than 32gb ram dell 96gb apple doesn't even seem to know what a workstation gpu while dell will give you dual top of the line ati or nvida cards with 4gb ram. trying to do demanding 3d stuff on the fastest mac would just crash the gpu.
no matter how you look at it mac will always loose the hardware battle in terms of raw power and customization. they make great all in ones and notebooks but the rest of their market has a big hole, how can your workstation system not give you a workstation card when you are paying in the $10000s?
Hey did it without mentioning looks, virus and crashing!
Reasons PC is better:
1) Games
Do I really need more?
AntiType
You forgot PAE and EFI.[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]
And who buys a mac for gaming anyways?
Sure you can install windows and play something, I do it all the time when I'm not killing my mine with work.
Also windows 7 isn't more secure than Os 10,6 neither is more advanced, it's just what vista should have been.
Care to explain? sure
not unix
dll - hell
no 64 bit kernel
registry
open cl
And I think you guys are comparing windows 7 to what? panther or tiger? We are on snow leo now.
Major_Reeves
The EFI doesn't add any advantage to the table.
PAE is no longer an advantage since sow leo has 64 bit kernel.
efi has many advantages over carburators ;)
apple likes to steel even arconims. efi = electronic fuel injection didn't know macs needed petrol to run. :P
[QUOTE="Birdy09"]
Whoa this thread is still going? Im shocked but still, I cant go through everyones from here :P
1. You can get better looking custom PCs... not everyone likes boring undustrial silver finish... - No, you can't.
2. thats very debatable when custom PCs are envolved. - Mac's are the best built machines in the industry, deal with it. Show me another computer where the entire computer is one screen with one single cable. Mac's are engineering perfection.
3. Preference... used OS X for 2 years nothing special. - Fair point.
4. easiest how? fastest how? - Easiest and fastest for every day tasks. Also crashes a lot less.
5. The virus excuse again really?... most viruses are harmless. - How is that an excuse? You just seem desperate here. Viruses are a massive issue and a lot are harmful.
6. no... the 3rd party programs are. - Macs come pre-loaded with software that does all of the above, also the best applications are made only for Macs. i.e Aperture, Final Cut etc.
7. ... Il research that.
8. Ok nice, but so is XP and Win7 - Nowhere near as fast as a Mac. The sleep mode on Windows is also terrible compared to Macs. Mac's can sleep for weeks with no drop in performance. A windows PC is not capable of that.
9. Ok not bad.
10. File Sharing is EASY period. - Not always, I'm talking about sending photos.
11. defeats the prupose of the mac in the first place. - But its still there as an option.Asim90
Learn how to quote properly.
1. Yes you can. Not everyone shares your asthetic tastes so try not to argue with personal preferences. BTW you can even use a mac case to build a pc in.
2. No. Macs are not the best built computers in the industry. Their failure rate isn't any better than Dells or HPs. And yes you can get an all in one PC. Just look here.
4. I've worked in a Mac lab and I've seen plenty of spinning beachballs. It is a myth that Macs crash less.
5. Viruses haven't been a massive issue for a long time. I think we're at a point where everyone knows to install an antivirus program by now.
6. Best photo editing software is Adobe Photoshop and the best version of photoshop (64 bit CS4) is Windows only. Macs only get the 32 bit version. As for video editing Final Cut it does not come default with apple, you have to buy it for an additional $199.00 so cut the bs. Even then the industry standard is not Final Cut like you believe but Avid (which works in windows as well).
8. Wrong, you must be using some faulty pos PC for that to happen. Your personal experience is not the norm so this is a ****ty argument.
10. What is so hard about sending photos on a PC?
11. So you're going to spend hundreds (in some cases) thousands more for less powerful hardware and then end up running windows on it anyways. Here's something to think about. It seems almost all Apple fans brag about running windows on their macs like it is a necessity. Windows users never need to boot into OSX (which can be done on a pc).
1... I'll need to look into that. 2. The point is OSX doesn't have to support 50 billion hardware combinations. Just because your car doesn't have to cope with square wheels doesn't make it inferior to one that does. 3. The option is there, most Macs can do everything a PC does. I don't really see any major examples of it "not giving you what you want" 4. Look into it. 5. 6 7 8. For some reason PCs fragment much faster than Macs. That's just personal experience talking though 9. 10. The MacBook Pro supports 32GB of Ram on a 32-bit system. I'd like to see a Windows system do that. Give it a couple of months until 10.6 becomes slightly mainstream and you'll see that max skyrocket. Keep in mind that Windows only allows 50% of the ram to be available to a given program. OSX used to have this problem but it's been solved lately. The point is OSX is better geared towards future expansion than Windows 7 is.[QUOTE="AntiType"]
1) OS is better in so many ways. The fact that windows is simply copying Mac OSX now proves it.
the fact the windows is now copying what osx copied from stardock right nice logic. apple didn't invent the dock etc it was in use on windows well before osx
2) Better Audio/Midi connections. Less latency on Mac's standard Audio driver then the best 3rd party drivers on a PC.
sure apple has better intergrated drivers but lets see osx try and support 50 billion hardware combinations, it would fall over and die in seconds.
3) Standardized hardware means that less can go wrong with updates.
also means no chocie for the user. fixed hardware means the maker gives you stuff you don't want and wont give you what you want.
4) No need to jump through hoops to install another OS on a MAC.
what?
5) Programs are yours to throw around as you please. Don't like it? just delete it, want to move it? Just do it. A windows PC has strict registry's, so things get left behind or messes other parts of your pc if you delete or move some of your programs.
6) Updating the OS cost 35$ this time around... how much is Windows 7?
7) You don't need to call apple when you upgrade your hardware and/or reinstall OSX... Windows Activation is annoying as hell.
what?
8 ) You do not need to Defrag a Mac.
don't have to defrag a windows pc
9) International support is standard. You will see every language, can switch it to type different characters without having to install additional files.
10) From the laptops, to the desktops, to the PRO... they have a much better form factor then their PC counterparts.
they have nice laptops but the mac pro simply cannot compete with the top of the line windows workstations and they have terrible performance desktop options. imac = lowend pc and there is no other mac for the home
find the mac pro that can beat the best of theDell Precision T7500 which can have 4gb of vram and 9gb of system ram as well as dual 3.3ghz cpus.
lowend workstation or highend workstation pc offers you more. cheapest dell precision is a couple of grand cheaper than the cheapest mac pro with similar features and apple can get anywhere near the specs of the most maxed out dell.
apple wont give you more than dual 2.9ghz quads while dell gives you 3.3ghz apple wont give more than 32gb ram dell 96gb apple doesn't even seem to know what a workstation gpu while dell will give you dual top of the line ati or nvida cards with 4gb ram. trying to do demanding 3d stuff on the fastest mac would just crash the gpu.
no matter how you look at it mac will always loose the hardware battle in terms of raw power and customization. they make great all in ones and notebooks but the rest of their market has a big hole, how can your workstation system not give you a workstation card when you are paying in the $10000s?
Hey did it without mentioning looks, virus and crashing!
Reasons PC is better:
1) Games
Do I really need more?
imprezawrx500
[QUOTE="Asim90"]
[QUOTE="Birdy09"]
Whoa this thread is still going? Im shocked but still, I cant go through everyones from here :P
1. You can get better looking custom PCs... not everyone likes boring undustrial silver finish... - No, you can't.
2. thats very debatable when custom PCs are envolved. - Mac's are the best built machines in the industry, deal with it. Show me another computer where the entire computer is one screen with one single cable. Mac's are engineering perfection.
3. Preference... used OS X for 2 years nothing special. - Fair point.
4. easiest how? fastest how? - Easiest and fastest for every day tasks. Also crashes a lot less.
5. The virus excuse again really?... most viruses are harmless. - How is that an excuse? You just seem desperate here. Viruses are a massive issue and a lot are harmful.
6. no... the 3rd party programs are. - Macs come pre-loaded with software that does all of the above, also the best applications are made only for Macs. i.e Aperture, Final Cut etc.
7. ... Il research that.
8. Ok nice, but so is XP and Win7 - Nowhere near as fast as a Mac. The sleep mode on Windows is also terrible compared to Macs. Mac's can sleep for weeks with no drop in performance. A windows PC is not capable of that.
9. Ok not bad.
10. File Sharing is EASY period. - Not always, I'm talking about sending photos.
11. defeats the prupose of the mac in the first place. - But its still there as an option.Materia_Ashes
Learn how to quote properly.
1. Yes you can. Not everyone shares your asthetic tastes so try not to argue with personal preferences. BTW you can even use a mac case to build a pc in.
-subjective, I like asian girls, do you also like them?
2. No. Macs are not the best built computers in the industry. Their failure rate isn't any better than Dells or HPs. And yes you can get an all in one PC. Just look here.
-Not just the best built but as well the best designed.
4. I've worked in a Mac lab and I've seen plenty of spinning beachballs. It is a myth that Macs crash less.
-Mac os crashes, but it does happen less frequently than windows. My last kernel panic was on panther back in 2004 but and never had an application hanging.
5. Viruses haven't been a massive issue for a long time. I think we're at a point where everyone knows to install an antivirus program by now.
-There's only a couple of malware out there but it requires your administrative password to install it.
6. Best photo editing software is Adobe Photoshop and the best version of photoshop (64 bit CS4) is Windows only. Macs only get the 32 bit version. As for video editing Final Cut it does not come default with apple, you have to buy it for an additional $199.00 so cut the bs. Even then the industry standard is not Final Cut like you believe but Avid (which works in windows as well).
-Yes, yes, yes totally right, photoshop it's superior on windows, same goes for maya, but is it a big improvement? no, even windows still doesn't have a 64 bit kernel.
Plus don't forget photoshop as a giant carbon foundation and replacing everything with cocoa takes time, maybe for cs5^^ oh and the same for maya...
Only final cut express costs 199 bucks.
8. Wrong, you must be using some faulty pos PC for that to happen. Your personal experience is not the norm so this is a ****ty argument.
-There are faulty mac's too, as well as faulty ps3's, faulty xbox's, faulty people, faulty harddrives, every electronic component is doomed to fail one day or have manufacturing faults. If your powermac g5 leaked, well blame delphi who manufactured the component, if you board breaks? blame asus or foxcom. In short, blame the suplier.
10. What is so hard about sending photos on a PC?
-Hum duno?
11. So you're going to spend hundreds (in some cases) thousands more for less powerful hardware and then end up running windows on it anyways. Here's something to think about. It seems almost all Apple fans brag about running windows on their macs like it is a necessity. Windows users never need to boot into OSX (which can be done on a pc).
-Less powerful, not upgradable if you consider the low end.
But for the workstation and the high end macbook pros, they smoke pretty much everything
[QUOTE="SLIisaownsystem"]Wait, o wait, wait, hum does mental ray use the graphics card for rendering?? Short answer, no. Does that crappy hd 4870 outscore the all mighty gtx285 on pro apps? Sort answer, yes, go blame nvidia. Do I need SLI/crossfire to work? No, everything is processor related. Does not having sli or crossfire affect my work? yes it does, I don't get flasky drivers, well at least not from ati :) nvidia needs to get their act togetherMacs cant have SLI end of the story
Major_Reeves
the 285 is hell better. Nvidia has cuda and ATI not, steam is not useful. And there are kind of a workstation cards on macs too from nvidia. So why not getting one of these? And not everyone uses his computer for work. My SLI system would smash yours to dust if it comes to crysis.
And OSX has no Games !!!!
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