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#351 Major_Reeves
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[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]Again, didn't you read? An equally built workstation costs around the same as the mac pro.Makari
Apple's thing is giving you spectacularly unnecessary hardware in the Mac Pros. If you want a beefy desktop, you're instantly stuck getting pretty much the most powerful overkill hardware that exists, like if people actually bought Extreme Editions on the desktops. Matching the exact hardware is expensive, but the getting within a few percentage points here or there suddenly knocks the price way down.

It's not overkill for me,

to the point of actually being daisy chained with another machine running osX.

Power users you know??

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It's nice for just surfing the net and casual stuff albeit actual Office tools. I'd stay away from it like fire for gaming though.
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Right clicking is such a pain! Thanks for getting rid of it apple!
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Those are the harpertown, x5400 series, they came out with the 2008 pro.

Also m8tie apple was the 1st one to pull out gainstown, x5500 series to the market, you know? xeon with corei7 architecture in march 2009.

And I don't see the point of still trying to justifying the macbook pro choice over a different machine because you clearly don't get it.

Well your take on the processors just killed all your credibility...

Anyways my 2 cents...

Major_Reeves

You lost any credibility with your talk of 64 bit kernels and are now just rambling. Care to explain how a lower end cpu that the Mac pro offers will compete with the w5580 or w5590 much less the 6 core versions? Xeons are server/workstation cpus and can be used for either purpose. There is no magic swtich that will make a cpu work only on servers or only on workstations. Choosing something like ATI 4870 for a workstation is a joke. What's that? You say you can use Nvidia Quadro 4800 with the Mac Pro? Well great, I on the other hand can use up to 4 Quadro 5800's and benchmarks prove that my workstation will run circles around yours. And just for kicks I configured a self built workstation with idetical specs to a base mac pro with 2 xeons (with ati 4870 since you seem to think this card is adequate for 3d rendering for some reason):

CPU - Intel Xeon L5520 Nehalem 2.26GHz x 2 ($559.99 each) = $1119.98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117189
Motherboard - ASUS Z8NA-D6C = $259.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131378
Memory - Crucial 1GB ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1066 (X6 @ $24.99 each) = $149.94 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148242
Hard drive - Western Digital 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s = $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218
Video card - VisionTek 900244 Radeon HD 4870 512MB = $149.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129113
Optical drive - SAMSUNG Black 22X all in one burner = $22.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151175
Case + PSU - Antec case + Antec 850watt psu = $279.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.245566
Microsoft Keyboard + mouse = $21.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109156
OS - Vista Business 64bit with free upgrade to Win 7 = $149.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116676

Total cost = $2224.85

Mac Pro with identical configuration = $3499.00

Price difference = $1274.15

Yeah whatever you say dude a price difference of nearly thirteen hundred dollars is nothing. If I spent that extra money in upgrading the configuration it would be much faster and better than your mac pro. Also here is a laptop that beats the mac pro in all specs for $500 less...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220577

Why are you still trying to convince anyone that Macs get the latest and most powerful hardware when it's clear that they don't?

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#355 Major_Reeves
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[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

Those are the harpertown, x5400 series, they came out with the 2008 pro.

Also m8tie apple was the 1st one to pull out gainstown, x5500 series to the market, you know? xeon with corei7 architecture in march 2009.

And I don't see the point of still trying to justifying the macbook pro choice over a different machine because you clearly don't get it.

Well your take on the processors just killed all your credibility...

Anyways my 2 cents...

Materia_Ashes

You lost any credibility with your talk of 64 bit kernels and are now just rambling. Care to explain how a lower end cpu that the Mac pro offers will compete with the w5580 or w5590 much less the 6 core versions? Xeons are server/workstation cpus and can be used for either purpose. There is no magic swtich that will make a cpu work only on servers or only on workstations. Choosing something like ATI 4870 for a workstation is a joke. What's that? You say you can use Nvidia Quadro 4800 with the Mac Pro? Well great, I on the other hand can use up to 4 Quadro 5800's and benchmarks prove that my workstation will run circles around yours. And just for kicks I configured a self built workstation with idetical specs to a base mac pro with 2 xeons (with ati 4870 since you seem to think this card is adequate for 3d rendering for some reason):

CPU - Intel Xeon L5520 Nehalem 2.26GHz x 2 ($559.99 each) = $1119.98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117189
Motherboard - ASUS Z8NA-D6C = $259.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131378
Memory - Crucial 1GB ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1066 (X6 @ $24.99 each) = $149.94 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148242
Hard drive - Western Digital 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s = $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218
Video card - VisionTek 900244 Radeon HD 4870 512MB = $149.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129113
Optical drive - SAMSUNG Black 22X all in one burner = $22.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151175
Case + PSU - Antec case + Antec 850watt psu = $279.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.245566
Microsoft Keyboard + mouse = $21.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109156
OS - Vista Business 64bit with free upgrade to Win 7 = $149.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116676

Total cost = $2224.85

Mac Pro with identical configuration = $3499.00

Price difference = $1274.15

Yeah whatever you say dude a price difference of nearly thirteen hundred dollars is nothing. If I spent that extra money in upgrading the configuration it would be much faster and better than your mac pro. Also here is a laptop that beats the mac pro in all specs for $500 less...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220577

Why are you still trying to convince anyone that Macs get the latest and most powerful hardware when it's clear that they don't?

True on the x5580, x5590.

6/8 on die are not out yet;

You can only SLI max 3 single video cards but you can use to a max of 4 tesla cards/cell processor cards (did you forgot about those?);

Also the quadro 4800 is the second best on the line (http://www.nvidia.com/page/qfx_uhe.html) and you can use 2 on the mac pro.

Stop slamming the hd4870 it has an excellent open gl performance, also the 5870 just go released today.

Again, rendering, compressing, encoding are processor related, I'll call you when open cl is implemented and no worries by that time I won't be using the hd4870.

Also apple wins on the high end, not with that crappy processor, only the mac pro's case itself is worth 500 euros, at least show me quality, lian li please.

really you're showing me an antec psu? please nothing less than a 1kw and with APFC from silverstone, decathlon^^. Also all mac pros come with bluetooth as default,

That board doesn't have fireware 800, really only 2 usb? Serial port? Is this 1998? On board video? Amagad those x16 pci express are so far that I can't conect the dam sli/crossfire bridge. So many mosfets, are they cooled? no, but the ones on the mac pro are. That board can't take 32gb ram...

No comment on the laptop, lol core 2 duo 2,80? I got a 2,93 on my macbook also what a brick, 1.45 hours on battery? Questionable built quality, crap screen...

Please try harder and meet these requirements

1-High end

2-Quality

3-Same features or more (both hardware and software side)

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True on the x5580, x5590.

6/8 on die are not out yet;

You can only SLI max 3 single video cards but you can use to a max of 4 tesla cards/cell processor cards (did you forgot about those?);

Also the quadro 4800 is the second best on the line (http://www.nvidia.com/page/qfx_uhe.html) and you can use 2 on the mac pro.

Stop slamming the hd4870 it has an excellent open gl performance, also the 5870 just go released today.

Again, rendering, compressing, encoding are processor related, I'll call you when open cl is implemented and no worries by that time I won't be using the hd4870.

Also apple wins on the high end, not with that crappy processor, only the mac pro's case itself is worth 500 euros, at least show me quality, lian li please.

really you're showing me an antec psu? please nothing less than a 1kw and with APFC from silverstone, decathlon^^. Also all mac pros come with bluetooth as default,

That board doesn't have fireware 800, really only 2 usb? Serial port? Is this 1998? On board video? Amagad those x16 pci express are so far that I can't conect the dam sli/crossfire bridge. So many mosfets, are they cooled? no, but the ones on the mac pro are. That board can't take 32gb ram...

No comment on the laptop, lol core 2 duo 2,80? I got a 2,93 on my macbook also what a brick, 1.45 hours on battery? Questionable built quality, crap screen...

Please try harder and meet these requirements

1-High end

2-Quality

3-Same features or more (both hardware and software side)

Major_Reeves

Do you even know anything? That is one of the best cases on the market and Antec makes some of the highest rated PSUs of any OEM. On the motherboard those are ALL pci express slots. In SLI the slots work 8x and 16x with a single gpu. But anyways to make you happy I'll add a few overpiced parts just to try and even the field a little. You'll only end up looking more idiotic in the end:

CPU - Intel Xeon X5570 Nehalem 2.93GHz x 2 ($1,439.99 each) = $2879.98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117180
Motherboard - Intel S5520HC Dual LGA 1366 = $499.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121375
Memory - Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC x 6 @ $66.99 each = $401.94 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134942
Hard drive - wd 640gb x 3 = $209.97 + 1tb Seagate = $79.99
Video card - VisionTek 900244 Radeon HD 4870 512MB = $149.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129113
Optical drive - SAMSUNG Black 22X all in one burner = $22.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151175
Case + PSU - LIAN LI PC-X500 + ENERMAX Galaxy 1250W = $349.99 + $319.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112187
Microsoft Keyboard + mouse = $21.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109156
OS - Vista Business 64bit with free upgrade to Win 7 = $149.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116676
SIIG 3 Ports FireWire 800 PCIe Card = $49.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815150151
StarTech USBBT2EDR USB to Bluetooth Adapter = $19.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200200

Total cost = $5156.79

Mac Pro with identical configuration = $7099.99

Price difference = $1943.20

Wow the price difference is even more now that I'm comparing one that is identical to the one in your sig, except for the hard drive since apple isn't offering the 320gb ones anymore. So look at that, even bigger difference. I could upgrade to a quadro 5800 or ATI FirePro (which performs better in many applications than even the Quadro 5800) or even add two better CPUs with that price difference. There is a reason the manufacturers release workstation cards and gaming cards. Gaming has better fillrate and workstations have better rendering capabilities due to firmware. Using a mainstream desktop graphics card for rending shows that you are not actually a pro as no sane company would deck their rendering stations with a desktop card but whatever. Also you cannot put two 4800's in there because they won't work. The mac pro does not support SLI mode or crossfire mode. You can try to put in there, nothing will happen. And btw 5870 and 4870 are in fact awesome cards...for gaming. Too bad macs won't get the 5870 until what? end of the year? next year?

As for the laptop I was simply comparing the lowest end Macbook Pro they have with dual integrated plus dedicated graphics. You got a 2.93? You either overclocked or are lying since the highest apple currently offer is 2.8. We're not living in 2001 anymore that higher ghz = better. You again demonstrate your lack of knowledge. And yes I already conceded that apple laptops have better battery life. Too bad their advantages end there.

EDIT: Corrected calculation error

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Forgot to mention, you keep yourself glorifying beckton and it's marvelous 6/8 cores on die and the fx 5800 and I also ended up pointing out the tesla cards/cell processing cards.

Did you know to what market those parts are destined?

Thats some serious elitist market, medical research, CERN, oil extraction, badass simulations and massive projects endorsed by the most healthy companies/societies on the world.

Plus true real clusters use RISC processors, you know power 6 from IBM? 6 to 64 cores on die at 4,2ghz or 8 cores on die at 5,0ghz, they don't use beckton or anything intel related. Sure intel does have some serious stuff, but they're no match...

Compared to them, the mac pro is the poor peoples workstation, same for anything else you m8tie can possibly afford or need (aren't those x5570 enough? also keep in mind the heath dissipation required for the x5580 and x5590, for them to be effective, and I'm talking about turbo boost, you would need to watercool them and thats something i don't want on a computer that runs 24 hours a day, it's never turned off. Why? Leaks. Explain more? It's not the problem of being watercooled, the dam problem is that all oem's put the dam pump/reservoir inside the case.)

And even if I could afford all that, did it matter? Well, hell yes, it would smoke everything, but would it be worth?... It's not I don't want power but with all that I could pretty much hack all my way into NSA, CIA, MOSAD, american/russian nuclear bases, hijack military installations, etc... Moot point is that there's not a single soul on this planet that owns similar hardware even more having it it at home, they belong/are on research institutes, laboratories... And hell didn't you know, those folks at cern prefer mac osX as their favorite OS and apple's hardware (http://www.apple.com/science/solutions/) and the same applies to other institutions.

Also note that I only use this workstation for my homework and of course some gaming :) Did I mentioned that I run osX specific software?

And again a similar built workstation from an oem like hp or sun are more expensive than the to of the line pro, the same applies to custom.

Also worry no more on the hd4870 it will get replaced by the 5780 or the gtx 380, whatever comes out...

And if you want to keep trowing me workstations

follow these points:

1- quality

2- same or better features

3- budget 10,000 euros, thats pretty much what I can afford yearly without having to cut back on anything else

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#358 Major_Reeves
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My mac pro costed 5450 euros aprox8031 dolars and thats pretty cheap dood,

got to love to live in europe :P

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Outside specialized areas of IT macs are utter junk.
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Outside specialized areas of IT macs are utter junk.Human-after-all

Lol m8tie this is a niche market after all...

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#361 Materia_Ashes
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My mac pro costed 5450 euros aprox8031 dolars and thats pretty cheap dood,

got to love to live in europe :P

Major_Reeves

Holy ****! That's even more expensive than the US price! You could have saved 1974.49 Euros ($2906) if you had built your own workstation. You like your Mac pro and need it for the OS specific software. That's fine I get it. But you cannot deny that 1. Pound for pound you get more with non apple PCs. 2. There is usually better/faster hardware available for windows/linux pcs than macs. I have a G5 sitting in my attic from the days when apple used IBM hardware so I am not exactly a stranger to Macs.

Also why didn't you just get a regular Mac and up the ram and video card instead of buying the overpriced machine that you have now? That's what I would have done in your position.

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#362 Major_Reeves
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[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

My mac pro costed 5450 euros aprox8031 dolars and thats pretty cheap dood,

got to love to live in europe :P

Materia_Ashes

Holy ****! That's even more expensive than the US price! You could have saved 1974.49 Euros ($2906) if you had built your own workstation. You like your Mac pro and need it for the OS specific software. That's fine I get it. But you cannot deny that 1. Pound for pound you get more with non apple PCs. 2. There is usually better/faster hardware available for windows/linux pcs than macs. I have a G5 sitting in my attic from the days when apple used IBM hardware so I am not exactly a stranger to Macs.

Also why didn't you just get a regular Mac and up the ram and video card instead of buying the overpriced machine that you have now? That's what I would have done in your position.

I have the 17 inches macbook pro from the beginning of the year, you could order it as a CTO build with the 2.93 core 2 duo. And in june at apple's wdc event they bumped it to 3,06.

Also again I just pointed you that the top of the line mac pros are cheaper (+ or - 300 euros) than a similar machine from sun or hp or even custom built and it wont run osX legally (my 2 cents on that) or have any advantages over the mac pro. Same specs!! Plus didn't you read? those x5580 dissipate more than 145 w of heat. the x5570 is only 85 w.

5k euros is very affordable.

Again m8 you can install 2 quadro 4800 (1600 euros each), mac os doesn't support SLI (yet, just needs a driver), but they act as open cl cores and frame buffers.

Also the quadro 5800 (2600 euros) is just pure overkill for the average joe, a gaming cards suits this range of the market just fine with a few exceptions, thats why there's the quadro 4800.

Also you don't buy hard drives from apple, I guess ram's fine.

I have checked the apple us online store, it's 6549 dollars =4445.428 euros, wile the same specked machine costs on the portuguese store 5924 euros =8727.23 dollars, keep in mind that mine was cheaper (5450 euros) due to the adc select membership and ofc don't forget to consider the exchange rates/quality of life of us here in europe.

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I can do everything else that you can do on your Mac or PC. But Ubuntu+LXDE is faster, more stable, more secure, less resource-intensive, more customizable, and it has way better eyecandy.savebattery
Nope. There are plenty of apps that are Windows only, not just games and even if you use some kind of tricks (like WinE etc) most of them will still not run at all or run far worse than on Windows.

So no, you can't do everything I can .

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[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]Again, didn't you read? An equally built workstation costs around the same as the mac pro.Major_Reeves

Apple's thing is giving you spectacularly unnecessary hardware in the Mac Pros. If you want a beefy desktop, you're instantly stuck getting pretty much the most powerful overkill hardware that exists, like if people actually bought Extreme Editions on the desktops. Matching the exact hardware is expensive, but the getting within a few percentage points here or there suddenly knocks the price way down.

It's not overkill for me,

to the point of actually being daisy chained with another machine running osX.

Power users you know??

Whoa, you're a lost cause. I read the rest of this page. At least power users are aware of which models of PSU are still good.
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

I guess you people didn't noted that I've never referred to an apple build computer as a Mac, I've only pointed mac osX, because those apple build machines since 2006 share the same inwards as the other i386/x86_64 machines on the market.

Talking only about the high end, apple wins with both hands with their prices to HP or even a custom built workstation and if it matters, it wont run osX legally.

Advantages of mac osX over windows: unix, qmaster, xsan, open cl, GDC, free sdk for both mac os and iphone, final cut and logic.

See those are just work related apps but take note that you'll find equivalent on windows or linux although they don't support yet open cl or have a better resource management (GDC) or make it easier as it is now on mac osx to multithread your code.

And if we go to the GUI, thats subjective matter, I find dashboard, expose, dock and spaces way more convenient. And I also like to keep an eye on the console and the activity monitor is more detailed/useful. Quick look and automator are also handy...

Some apps are self contained, others not, but they're easy to remove since you don't have to deal with the registry also no need to care about the dll -hell.

Since this is a gaming forum, yes I can boot windows and play games, for the video cards, apple releases them onyearlybases and both nvidia/ati are free to release them on their own too.

Also again SLI/crossfire is gaming tech and its not needed on this market, but if it comes with good drivers, I'll love it, specially now, with open cl.

Plus all mac pros featuring a 64bit efi have two pci express with a link width of 16x and those are specifically used by video cards, you can also install 2 quadro fx4800...

Major_Reeves

Custom built are cheaper... seriously, have you seen the price for HDD on the apple site? It's awfully over priced.

I tried to make the same PC in your sig on there site... without the raid, i'm at $7200... ouch!

Again, didn't you read? An equally built workstation costs around the same as the mac pro.

About the hard drives and also applies to the ram, you just order with the minimum. If you need +ram and +hardrives you get them from the retailers, cheaper.

Why they are so pricier?

-Apple keeps only a low stock of these components (and sometimes there are shortages), thus the inflated prices to avoid people from ordering more than 1, see a 1tb caviar black costs here on the retail market 119 euros, apple only asks +82,80 euros to upgrade from the stock 640gb caviar blue wile if you want more harddrives you'll be paying 165,50 euros for the 640gb one and 248,40 euros for the 1 tb one. Also you're paying for convenience... Also if it matters Sun (another workstation oem) sell's 500gb, 7200rpm sata hd's for 290 euros.

But anyways I have to disagree with apple's current stock of HD, no velociraptors, no RE3/4 or SAS offers, but they work, you'll just have to buy *again* on the retail.

And for simple storage the caviar will work, not so much for raid:?

Nop... you're wrong.

Oh, so now you get from the retailer and not from Apple... LOL, what a joke... (since you were saying it's cheaper apple then Hp, let's not even talk abot making your own) I bet they will support your warranty after that.

I'm glad you showed us how apple is over priced, and saying there keeping low stock is complete controle fanboy apple damage... what a joke.

Oh yeah, why don't they offer SSD... what, no support for that either... that's a shame.

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[QUOTE="Materia_Ashes"]

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

Those are the harpertown, x5400 series, they came out with the 2008 pro.

Also m8tie apple was the 1st one to pull out gainstown, x5500 series to the market, you know? xeon with corei7 architecture in march 2009.

And I don't see the point of still trying to justifying the macbook pro choice over a different machine because you clearly don't get it.

Well your take on the processors just killed all your credibility...

Anyways my 2 cents...

Major_Reeves

You lost any credibility with your talk of 64 bit kernels and are now just rambling. Care to explain how a lower end cpu that the Mac pro offers will compete with the w5580 or w5590 much less the 6 core versions? Xeons are server/workstation cpus and can be used for either purpose. There is no magic swtich that will make a cpu work only on servers or only on workstations. Choosing something like ATI 4870 for a workstation is a joke. What's that? You say you can use Nvidia Quadro 4800 with the Mac Pro? Well great, I on the other hand can use up to 4 Quadro 5800's and benchmarks prove that my workstation will run circles around yours. And just for kicks I configured a self built workstation with idetical specs to a base mac pro with 2 xeons (with ati 4870 since you seem to think this card is adequate for 3d rendering for some reason):

CPU - Intel Xeon L5520 Nehalem 2.26GHz x 2 ($559.99 each) = $1119.98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117189
Motherboard - ASUS Z8NA-D6C = $259.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131378
Memory - Crucial 1GB ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1066 (X6 @ $24.99 each) = $149.94 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148242
Hard drive - Western Digital 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s = $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218
Video card - VisionTek 900244 Radeon HD 4870 512MB = $149.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129113
Optical drive - SAMSUNG Black 22X all in one burner = $22.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151175
Case + PSU - Antec case + Antec 850watt psu = $279.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.245566
Microsoft Keyboard + mouse = $21.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109156
OS - Vista Business 64bit with free upgrade to Win 7 = $149.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116676

Total cost = $2224.85

Mac Pro with identical configuration = $3499.00

Price difference = $1274.15

Yeah whatever you say dude a price difference of nearly thirteen hundred dollars is nothing. If I spent that extra money in upgrading the configuration it would be much faster and better than your mac pro. Also here is a laptop that beats the mac pro in all specs for $500 less...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220577

Why are you still trying to convince anyone that Macs get the latest and most powerful hardware when it's clear that they don't?

True on the x5580, x5590.

6/8 on die are not out yet;

You can only SLI max 3 single video cards but you can use to a max of 4 tesla cards/cell processor cards (did you forgot about those?);

Also the quadro 4800 is the second best on the line (http://www.nvidia.com/page/qfx_uhe.html) and you can use 2 on the mac pro.

Stop slamming the hd4870 it has an excellent open gl performance, also the 5870 just go released today.

Again, rendering, compressing, encoding are processor related, I'll call you when open cl is implemented and no worries by that time I won't be using the hd4870.

Also apple wins on the high end, not with that crappy processor, only the mac pro's case itself is worth 500 euros, at least show me quality, lian li please.

really you're showing me an antec psu? please nothing less than a 1kw and with APFC from silverstone, decathlon^^. Also all mac pros come with bluetooth as default,

That board doesn't have fireware 800, really only 2 usb? Serial port? Is this 1998? On board video? Amagad those x16 pci express are so far that I can't conect the dam sli/crossfire bridge. So many mosfets, are they cooled? no, but the ones on the mac pro are. That board can't take 32gb ram...

No comment on the laptop, lol core 2 duo 2,80? I got a 2,93 on my macbook also what a brick, 1.45 hours on battery? Questionable built quality, crap screen...

Please try harder and meet these requirements

1-High end

2-Quality

3-Same features or more (both hardware and software side)

Apple case wroth 500$ euros???????? I wouldn't touch that with a sherwood stick.Not even silverstone is that expensive...or the new thermaltake made by BMW case.

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#368 Major_Reeves
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[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

[QUOTE="Makari"] Apple's thing is giving you spectacularly unnecessary hardware in the Mac Pros. If you want a beefy desktop, you're instantly stuck getting pretty much the most powerful overkill hardware that exists, like if people actually bought Extreme Editions on the desktops. Matching the exact hardware is expensive, but the getting within a few percentage points here or there suddenly knocks the price way down.Makari

It's not overkill for me,

to the point of actually being daisy chained with another machine running osX.

Power users you know??

Whoa, you're a lost cause. I read the rest of this page. At least power users are aware of which models of PSU are still good.

The silverstone decathlon (1.2kw) is pretty much the best you can get here.

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#369 Major_Reeves
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[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Custom built are cheaper... seriously, have you seen the price for HDD on the apple site? It's awfully over priced.

I tried to make the same PC in your sig on there site... without the raid, i'm at $7200... ouch!

Bebi_vegeta

Again, didn't you read? An equally built workstation costs around the same as the mac pro.

About the hard drives and also applies to the ram, you just order with the minimum. If you need +ram and +hardrives you get them from the retailers, cheaper.

Why they are so pricier?

-Apple keeps only a low stock of these components (and sometimes there are shortages), thus the inflated prices to avoid people from ordering more than 1, see a 1tb caviar black costs here on the retail market 119 euros, apple only asks +82,80 euros to upgrade from the stock 640gb caviar blue wile if you want more harddrives you'll be paying 165,50 euros for the 640gb one and 248,40 euros for the 1 tb one. Also you're paying for convenience... Also if it matters Sun (another workstation oem) sell's 500gb, 7200rpm sata hd's for 290 euros.

But anyways I have to disagree with apple's current stock of HD, no velociraptors, no RE3/4 or SAS offers, but they work, you'll just have to buy *again* on the retail.

And for simple storage the caviar will work, not so much for raid:?

Nop... you're wrong.

Oh, so now you get from the retailer and not from Apple... LOL, what a joke... (since you were saying it's cheaper apple then Hp, let's not even talk abot making your own) I bet they will support your warranty after that.

I'm glad you showed us how apple is over priced, and saying there keeping low stock is complete controle fanboy apple damage... what a joke. I can install the remaining stuff myself, plus retail warranty is 3 years on those components (apart from my country's 2 years mandatory minimum warranty requirement :)) plus why the hell do I need apple's own warranty on something like ram and harddrives/ssd's, raid cards, bluray burners. Also this is a niche market, of course apple doesn't want to stock every single piece of hardware possible and same applies to both sun and hp, also no fanboy I always put everything on the table and didn't you read? HP, Sun (lol 500gb hdd at 290 euros, thats even pricier than apple, didn't you read?) and custom built are around + or - 300 euros expensive, but thats nothing, it's just that you don't get anything better.

5k euros for a mac pro isn't expensive at all.

This is europe, in roma you do it like the romans, "you say ave ceaser" not "the president of the united states of america".


Oh yeah, why don't they offer SSD... what, no support for that either... that's a shame.They offer SSD's on the xserver line.

Again custom built it's still more expensive care to read all pls.

About the case, an empty mac pro/powermac g5 as more aluminium/weights more than any other case on the market with the same size.

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#370 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

Again, didn't you read? An equally built workstation costs around the same as the mac pro.

About the hard drives and also applies to the ram, you just order with the minimum. If you need +ram and +hardrives you get them from the retailers, cheaper.

Why they are so pricier?

-Apple keeps only a low stock of these components (and sometimes there are shortages), thus the inflated prices to avoid people from ordering more than 1, see a 1tb caviar black costs here on the retail market 119 euros, apple only asks +82,80 euros to upgrade from the stock 640gb caviar blue wile if you want more harddrives you'll be paying 165,50 euros for the 640gb one and 248,40 euros for the 1 tb one. Also you're paying for convenience... Also if it matters Sun (another workstation oem) sell's 500gb, 7200rpm sata hd's for 290 euros.

But anyways I have to disagree with apple's current stock of HD, no velociraptors, no RE3/4 or SAS offers, but they work, you'll just have to buy *again* on the retail.

And for simple storage the caviar will work, not so much for raid:?

Major_Reeves

Nop... you're wrong.

Oh, so now you get from the retailer and not from Apple... LOL, what a joke... (since you were saying it's cheaper apple then Hp, let's not even talk abot making your own) I bet they will support your warranty after that.

I'm glad you showed us how apple is over priced, and saying there keeping low stock is complete controle fanboy apple damage... what a joke.

Oh yeah, why don't they offer SSD... what, no support for that either... that's a shame.

Again custom built it's still more expensive care to read all pls.

Um, weren't you just contradicted (twice) over the previous two pages? And most of those parts carry lifetime warranties, to boot. Do current Apples come with a lifetime warranty?

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#371 Major_Reeves
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[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Nop... you're wrong.

Oh, so now you get from the retailer and not from Apple... LOL, what a joke... (since you were saying it's cheaper apple then Hp, let's not even talk abot making your own) I bet they will support your warranty after that.

I'm glad you showed us how apple is over priced, and saying there keeping low stock is complete controle fanboy apple damage... what a joke.

Oh yeah, why don't they offer SSD... what, no support for that either... that's a shame.

HuusAsking

Again custom built it's still more expensive care to read all pls.

Um, weren't you just contradicted (twice) over the previous two pages? And most of those parts carry lifetime warranties, to boot. Do current Apples come with a lifetime warranty?

I wasn't contradicted, that was fail read.

Does any other oem give you lifetime warranty? Do you plan to use the same ram, harddrives, cpu's for + than 2,5 years? Because I don't...

Oh and don't come to me with the upgrade argument, sure that way it would be cheaper than buying a whole new computer. But I would lose the possibility of clustering them, you know back on the second/third page I did mentioned qmaster and xsan...

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#372 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

Again, didn't you read? An equally built workstation costs around the same as the mac pro.

About the hard drives and also applies to the ram, you just order with the minimum. If you need +ram and +hardrives you get them from the retailers, cheaper.

Why they are so pricier?

-Apple keeps only a low stock of these components (and sometimes there are shortages), thus the inflated prices to avoid people from ordering more than 1, see a 1tb caviar black costs here on the retail market 119 euros, apple only asks +82,80 euros to upgrade from the stock 640gb caviar blue wile if you want more harddrives you'll be paying 165,50 euros for the 640gb one and 248,40 euros for the 1 tb one. Also you're paying for convenience... Also if it matters Sun (another workstation oem) sell's 500gb, 7200rpm sata hd's for 290 euros.

But anyways I have to disagree with apple's current stock of HD, no velociraptors, no RE3/4 or SAS offers, but they work, you'll just have to buy *again* on the retail.

And for simple storage the caviar will work, not so much for raid:?

Major_Reeves

Nop... you're wrong.

Oh, so now you get from the retailer and not from Apple... LOL, what a joke... (since you were saying it's cheaper apple then Hp, let's not even talk abot making your own) I bet they will support your warranty after that.

I'm glad you showed us how apple is over priced, and saying there keeping low stock is complete controle fanboy apple damage... what a joke. I can install the remaining stuff myself, plus retail warranty is 3 years on those components (apart from my country's 2 years mandatory minimum warranty requirement :)) plus why the hell do I need apple's own warranty on something like ram and harddrives/ssd's, raid cards, bluray burners. Also this is a niche market, of course apple doesn't want to stock every single piece of hardware possible and same applies to both sun and hp, also no fanboy I always put everything on the table and didn't you read? HP, Sun (lol 500gb hdd at 290 euros, thats even pricier than apple, didn't you read?) and custom built are around + or - 300 euros expensive, but thats nothing, it's just that you don't get anything better.

5k euros for a mac pro isn't expensive at all.

This is europe, in roma you do it like the romans, "you say ave ceaser" not "the president of the united states of america".


Oh yeah, why don't they offer SSD... what, no support for that either... that's a shame.They offer SSD's on the xserver line.

Again custom built it's still more expensive care to read all pls.

About the case, an empty mac pro/powermac g5 as more aluminium/weights more than any other case on the market with the same size.

Custom built is less expansive... it's been proven time and time again in this topic. Please get it in your head.

Allumunium... Who cares?

But if that's your thing... thermaltake level 10 case is made of carbon.

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#373 AzatiS
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The only legit thing MAC has over common PCs is ---- STABILITY...

Mac is more like a console than what a common PC is. What i mean by this is ... EVERYTHING on it , for it , in it are actually 100% guaranteed will gonna work together and wont let you down ( aka patching etcetc ) with your proffesional workout ( as musicians , architects etc etc )since STABILITY >>> RAW power for proffesional work/jobs/ etc.

So STABILITY is what mac prevails by miles VS PCs and only that.

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#374 dxmcat
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morons united.........

Do you even know WHY cases are made out of aluminium?

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#375 Ontain
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just ordered a mac pro for my boss. the raid card cost $700 :lol: pathetic.
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#376 Ontain
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The only legit thing MAC has over common PCs is ---- STABILITY...

Mac is more like a console than what a common PC is. What i mean by this is ... EVERYTHING on it , for it , in it are actually 100% guaranteed will gonna work together and wont let you down ( aka patching etcetc ) with your proffesional workout ( as musicians , architects etc etc )since STABILITY >>> RAW power for proffesional work/jobs/ etc.

So STABILITY is what mac prevails by miles VS PCs and only that.

AzatiS
a proper work environment would have it's ppl under User access as well as having a network firewall. those 2 things alone make windows very stable. it's the 3rd party junk that ppl install that screw windows up. this happens less on macs since there's just less software in general.
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#377 minxamo
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macs are for those who choose simplicity and user friendliness at the expense of expandability and customisation, a lot of the claims mac fanboys make are BS.

however, since macs come with all of their lower case i stuff, it all works together, unlike with windows where you will have to download the programs you want, and you will sometimes get software incompatibilities.

if you enjoy creative things like making music and videos, and feel that right click isnt necessary, then go with a mac, if you like anything else, go with a pc...

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The only legit thing MAC has over common PCs is ---- STABILITY...

Mac is more like a console than what a common PC is. What i mean by this is ... EVERYTHING on it , for it , in it are actually 100% guaranteed will gonna work together and wont let you down ( aka patching etcetc ) with your proffesional workout ( as musicians , architects etc etc )since STABILITY >>> RAW power for proffesional work/jobs/ etc.

So STABILITY is what mac prevails by miles VS PCs and only that.

AzatiS

Combatibility > stability for professional work. No matter how stable the system is, if it doesn't support the tools you need for work it's useless. Hence why mentioning architects isn't right, because architecture is absolutely and completely dominated by Windows and PCs, not Macs

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#379 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="AzatiS"]

The only legit thing MAC has over common PCs is ---- STABILITY...

Mac is more like a console than what a common PC is. What i mean by this is ... EVERYTHING on it , for it , in it are actually 100% guaranteed will gonna work together and wont let you down ( aka patching etcetc ) with your proffesional workout ( as musicians , architects etc etc )since STABILITY >>> RAW power for proffesional work/jobs/ etc.

So STABILITY is what mac prevails by miles VS PCs and only that.

AdrianWerner

Combatibility > stability for professional work. No matter how stable the system is, if it doesn't support the tools you need for work it's useless. Hence why mentioning architects isn't right, because architecture is absolutely and completely dominated by Windows and PCs, not Macs

But until recently, multimedia software tended to favor the Mac, which is why it had a home with movie and music producers, from what I've read. Compatibility > Stability, yes, but compatibility is a yes/no question, easy to determine, and once that's found affirmative, it goes back to stability vs. performance again.
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#380 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="AzatiS"]

The only legit thing MAC has over common PCs is ---- STABILITY...

Mac is more like a console than what a common PC is. What i mean by this is ... EVERYTHING on it , for it , in it are actually 100% guaranteed will gonna work together and wont let you down ( aka patching etcetc ) with your proffesional workout ( as musicians , architects etc etc )since STABILITY >>> RAW power for proffesional work/jobs/ etc.

So STABILITY is what mac prevails by miles VS PCs and only that.

Ontain
a proper work environment would have it's ppl under User access as well as having a network firewall. those 2 things alone make windows very stable. it's the 3rd party junk that ppl install that screw windows up. this happens less on macs since there's just less software in general.

What about incidents of privilege escalation?
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They're shinier... oh, wait-you can buy a better looking case of YOUR choice for the PC.

Seriously, that "macs are more stable" thing is complete bs. I've had my Vista PC for more than 3 years now and the only real problem I've had so far was caused by a crappy beta geforce driver. If you know what you're doing there is no way you're gonna get viruses. I've seen people who have no anti-virus protection, click on pop-up ads, install every browser toolbar and every freeware program they're offered without even knowing what it does and then complain about theis PCs running like crap.

Anoter lie is the "macs are better for musicians, artists and movie makers" thing. WHAT? Windows has HUNDRETS of avalable video, image and audio editing freeware and professional programs. And let's not even mention it's coding and 3D rendering capabilities.

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#382 HuusAsking
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morons united.........

Do you even know WHY cases are made out of aluminium?

dxmcat
Enlighten us, then. I'm pretty sure I'm wrong, but from what I know, it's lighter than the typical case material (steel) and conducts electricity better, making it a better EM shield/Faraday cage for the internals.
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#383 jason13253
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they just run better they start up faster safari is faster than internet explorer and i no this because i have a macbook pro and my comp runs better and starts up way faster than all of my friends who have pcs

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Anoter lie is the "macs are better for musicians, artists and movie makers" thing. WHAT? Windows has HUNDRETS of avalable video, image and audio editing freeware and professional programs. And let's not even mention it's coding and 3D rendering capabilities.

lizzardman666

But which programs do the pros actually use?

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[QUOTE="lizzardman666"]

Anoter lie is the "macs are better for musicians, artists and movie makers" thing. WHAT? Windows has HUNDRETS of avalable video, image and audio editing freeware and professional programs. And let's not even mention it's coding and 3D rendering capabilities.

HuusAsking

But which programs do the pros actually use?

Depends on what they do.
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[QUOTE="lizzardman666"]

Anoter lie is the "macs are better for musicians, artists and movie makers" thing. WHAT? Windows has HUNDRETS of avalable video, image and audio editing freeware and professional programs. And let's not even mention it's coding and 3D rendering capabilities.

HuusAsking

But which programs do the pros actually use?

Depends on profession. 2D artist use mostly those avaible for both windows and osx, movie editors seem to lean towards osx because of FCP (Avid might be even more popular, but it's also on osx), 3D artist stick to Windows, architects too. osx seems to be more popular in publishing and music industries though

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#387 Major_Reeves
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[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Nop... you're wrong.

Oh, so now you get from the retailer and not from Apple... LOL, what a joke... (since you were saying it's cheaper apple then Hp, let's not even talk abot making your own) I bet they will support your warranty after that.

I'm glad you showed us how apple is over priced, and saying there keeping low stock is complete controle fanboy apple damage... what a joke. I can install the remaining stuff myself, plus retail warranty is 3 years on those components (apart from my country's 2 years mandatory minimum warranty requirement :)) plus why the hell do I need apple's own warranty on something like ram and harddrives/ssd's, raid cards, bluray burners. Also this is a niche market, of course apple doesn't want to stock every single piece of hardware possible and same applies to both sun and hp, also no fanboy I always put everything on the table and didn't you read? HP, Sun (lol 500gb hdd at 290 euros, thats even pricier than apple, didn't you read?) and custom built are around + or - 300 euros expensive, but thats nothing, it's just that you don't get anything better.

5k euros for a mac pro isn't expensive at all.

This is europe, in roma you do it like the romans, "you say ave ceaser" not "the president of the united states of america".


Oh yeah, why don't they offer SSD... what, no support for that either... that's a shame.They offer SSD's on the xserver line.

Bebi_vegeta

Again custom built it's still more expensive care to read all pls.

About the case, an empty mac pro/powermac g5 as more aluminium/weights more than any other case on the market with the same size.

Custom built is less expansive... it's been proven time and time again in this topic. Please get it in your head.

Allumunium... Who cares?

But if that's your thing... thermaltake level 10 case is made of carbon.

And again I repeat, that on this side of the ocean if you build a custom made workstation reflecting the top of the line mac pro, it's more expensive (+ or - 300 euros) left alone hp and sun that are pure overpriced garbage. Again note that 300 euros is nothing, it simple doesn't give me any advantage over the already built mac pro, plus it's just a machine to have at home and let me do my homework, some gaming, catalog all my music, etc. I don't need to use tesla cards/cell cards even less the quadro cards, the SIMD units on the processors more the compute shader on a normal gaming video card are enough.

IF I indeed had a justified need to require such powerful hardware, at home, custom built would be the way to go, also if you want to check prices on the retailers (http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/wtb_list_workstation_uk.html). And of course it would pretty much smoke everything that apple, hp, sun, etc putts out or anything *again* you could possibly afford on your own. At least half of the price would have to be endorsed by the company you work for (I think you're getting the picture now).

I've pretty much pointed it all and explained it all, now it's not my fault you poor mortal souls don't get a nick of it.

The security argument. Mac osx isn't more secure than windows and neither the contrary, both have their letdowns. The most secure os's areSolaris, HP-UX, AIX and SCO UNIX. But never be too confident since there are holes everywere.

On the unix-like side openBSD.

Plus you don't even know why the aluminium? remember those 10th grade physics lessons? Faraday cage? or emi shielding?

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The only legit thing MAC has over common PCs is ---- STABILITY...

Mac is more like a console than what a common PC is. What i mean by this is ... EVERYTHING on it , for it , in it are actually 100% guaranteed will gonna work together and wont let you down ( aka patching etcetc ) with your proffesional workout ( as musicians , architects etc etc )since STABILITY >>> RAW power for proffesional work/jobs/ etc.

So STABILITY is what mac prevails by miles VS PCs and only that.

AzatiS
The stability statement is no different than the virus statement. Just because of sheer population of people that use PC's there is more "stability" issues. I've for a long time never had my PC crash for any reason that I directly caused. My last major PC issue was caused by a my HDD starting to go. 99.99% of most PC problems though are between the keyboard and chair, mac is no different.
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#389 Bebi_vegeta
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they just run better they start up faster safari is faster than internet explorer and i no this because i have a macbook pro and my comp runs better and starts up way faster than all of my friends who have pcs

jason13253

I think google chrome is faster...

Horray that your MAC starts faster... it's a good thing I have a SSD.

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#390 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

Again custom built it's still more expensive care to read all pls.

About the case, an empty mac pro/powermac g5 as more aluminium/weights more than any other case on the market with the same size.

Major_Reeves

Custom built is less expansive... it's been proven time and time again in this topic. Please get it in your head.

Allumunium... Who cares?

But if that's your thing... thermaltake level 10 case is made of carbon.

And again I repeat, that on this side of the ocean if you build a custom made workstation reflecting the top of the line mac pro, it's more expensive (+ or - 300 euros) left alone hp and sun that are pure overpriced garbage. Again note that 300 euros is nothing, it simple doesn't give me any advantage over the already built mac pro, plus it's just a machine to have at home and let me do my homework, some gaming, catalog all my music, etc. I don't need to use tesla cards/cell cards even less the quadro cards, the SIMD units on the processors more the compute shader on a normal gaming video card are enough.

IF I indeed had a justified need to require such powerful hardware, at home, custom built would be the way to go, also if you want to check prices on the retailers (http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/wtb_list_workstation_uk.html). And of course it would pretty much smoke everything that apple, hp, sun, etc putts out or anything *again* you could possibly afford on your own. At least half of the price would have to be endorsed by the company you work for (I think you're getting the picture now).

I've pretty much pointed it all and explained it all, now it's not my fault you poor mortal souls don't get a nick of it.

The security argument. Mac osx isn't more secure than windows and neither the contrary, both have their letdowns. The most secure os's areSolaris, HP-UX, AIX and SCO UNIX. But never be too confident since there are holes everywere.

On the unix-like side openBSD.

Plus you don't even know why the aluminium? remember those 10th grade physics lessons? Faraday cage? or emi shielding?

I don't care where you live, MAC pro is more expensive.

So you got a MAC pro workstation for show off, for your e-pen..?

Ah... now you need to insult me... ohhh no, my poor mortal soul... ouch... I know your not a typical MAC user, your a MAC fanboy to the bone.

Aluminum case... so if I have a steele case, plastic case or carbon case, then what happens to my PC ? It's gona blow up????

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#391 lowe0
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and feel that right click isnt necessary, minxamo
Where do people get this idea that you can't right-click? My Mac's trackpad supports right-click. My Mighty Mouse supports right-click. OS X recognizes right-clicks. What part of this translates to "if right-click isn't necessary"?
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#392 caseypayne69
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="Birdy09"]

The challenge is simple, 10 worthwhile things that make a MAC better than a PC, I'm curious because random friends of mine seem to be buying macs, whenever you ask "why" they have absolutely no come backs ever, its laughable.

System Wars valid right? I want 10 good reasons, and dont give us crap like "we can run windows" ... yea we can run OS X aswell, defeats the purpose of buying a more expensive machine right?

Don't think this is system wars worthy but I'll give it a shot. 1) Reliability - This is my top reason. I have had my computer on doing general office work, Virtualization, Basic Web browsing and programming for 3 months straight. Only have to reboot for a system update. 2) Compatibility - Works seamlessly with my iPhone, iPod, Windows Servers, Exchange Servers, Apple TV. 3) Hardware - I have a mac pro at work. It's has 2 quad core xeon cpu's with 12 GB of ram. It's hard to find something like this for pc unless you want to build it yourself. 4) Virtualization - Yes windows can do it too but it's more technical than that. Mac is built on unix which faster and more stable than windows. Therefore my virtualization projects run better on a mac. And it's not just windows, it's linux and os x server. 5) ilife - a free package of web designing, music creating and photo editing software that comes ready to go. 6) One version of the OS. No need to choose which features you want or not. It all comes standard. I can't think of any more at the moment. A lot is hard to describe. You have to use one to see. Once you do you'd be speechless like the rest of us.

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#393 imprezawrx500
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1. Preference

2. Preference

3. Preference

4. Preference

5. Preference

6. Preference

7. Preference

8. Preference

9. Preference

10. Preference


Now you might say, "That's only one 'legit' reason!"..Well, that's all it takes. Preference is all it takes. They are both different means to the same end. They both get you to the same internet, to the same word processor, and (rather inconveniantly) to the same games. Neither one is an asbolute superior to the other.




Note: This is coming from a long time WIndows user who also has a Mac. In fact, the number of Windows to Mac machines I currently own is 5:2. I bolded and colored this so you get it through your head. Yes, they are more expensive. Whether that is justified or not is subjective. Someone might be willing to pay the extra $$ just for the start up sound and while that might sound silly to you, it's not to them and neither of you are right or wrong. They. are. the. same.


/logic

DonPerian

great way to make you whole point completly missed. make it bright yellow so you can't even read it. yellow on white really don't work.

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#394 imprezawrx500
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they just run better they start up faster safari is faster than internet explorer and i no this because i have a macbook pro and my comp runs better and starts up way faster than all of my friends who have pcs

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they startup very slightly faster. win7 boots in under 30 secs and you can make xp boot in under 20s. run better? oh yeah if you call the spinning wheel of death when browsing the web running faster. if you care about startup time you use the sleep function. plus chrome>firfefox>safari and safari is on windows so your point? windows runs really well and boots very fast if you don't install all the 3rd party apps that macs can't even run.
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#395 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

-Good for multimedia

DonPerian

I always hate how this is thrown around. Other than Final Cut Pro, there is really no good multimedia program that isn't available on PC.

There is nothing magic about Macs that make them better for multimedia.

Final Cut Pro is the magic. ;) But again, just like my other post, it's all about preference. I've seen people push out much more polished material out of Premiere or Vegas (though more the former than the latter) than Final Cut Pro. But then again, it is considered the film and tv's industry standard. I should know, I work in the industry. :)

sure it is, to bad mac has terrible support for 3d apps while windows has video apps. mac is great for certain things but windows is much much better overall. video is the only thing macs can do better.
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used it for a week at a summer seminar in pure IK animation, they suck. the OS is wretched, and looks like steve jobs barfed after eating a million poor flash webpages, ilife is the WORST program i've ever seen for image creation, having a choice of OS is a GOOD thing, my pc has 24gb of ram 2 intel i7 975 extremes, and triple SLI quadro FX 4800. this all is in the mega sleek antec 300 illusion case, mine works perfectly with iphone ipod windows servers all sorts of non apple tvs, probably apple tvs but i've never bothered buying one, my 3 24 inch monitors, my zune, and it's never even had a virus because i use avast professional and AVG together. PC wins, and i wish apple would just go out of business. their computers are horrible, their adds don't have a single fact in them and instead refer to incredibly biased magazines that nobody cares about, and my computer was under 10,000 dollars, a single graphics card single monitor 24 gb RAM double xeon apple runs you 30k. apples suck plain and simple unless you happen to be a public school and apple only charges you manufacturing costs, which are about an 8th the price they charge.
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I really can't believe Macs are only like 9%-12% of the market share. I'm in my third year of college and I've met more people with Macs than with PC's. Out of the 6 roommates I've had 4 have had Macs. I guess it's just that college students are the ones who buy Macs the most.Zero5000X

i want you to know that i am currently showing a lot of restraint in not going off about the gullibility of college kids. what symbolized college more then anything for me (now that i'm about to graduate)? buying my friends 2 year old gateway laptop for $200. it had the office 07 suite and usb ports and it could do pretty much everything that a macbook could.

okay i'm done.

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#398 imprezawrx500
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1. They look a lot better.
2. They are built a lot better.
3. They have the best operating system.
4. They are the easiest and fastest to use.
5. Far less risk from viruses.
6. Far superior for anything related to image/video/audio editing.
7. They come loaded with amazing software, instead of rubbish trials like Windows.
8. Incredibly fast and reliable sleep mode and boot up times.
9. Backlit keyboards and trackpads on the new Macbooks are fantastic.
10. File Sharing is a lot easier.
11. Anyone that feels the need to run Windows can run it natively, if they want too.

Asim90

1 opinion you can get a pc case that looks just like a mac 2 depends which brands you compare 3 opinion, can't be the best os with no cut and paste or multiple thumbnail view in finder windows. apple is still playing catchup to windows 2000's explorer functionality. 4 no they aren't they hide everything away and much harder to find the app you want when minimized. take much longer to minimize all windows in a app. 5 sure but vista/win7 is much harder to hack than osx. if osx has 90% of the market it would have terrible security issues. 6 not really pc has far more options for graphic design and has the only 64bit version of photoshop. sure mac has fcp but that's it. 7 itunes and quicktime are the only worthwhile apps all the other ones a junk just like the windows ones 8 win7 is the same 9 you can get that on windows and the macbook pro is 50% crippled till they but a right click on the touchpad. 10 no it isn't 11 you can run osx on a windows machine.

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[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]I really can't believe Macs are only like 9%-12% of the market share. I'm in my third year of college and I've met more people with Macs than with PC's. Out of the 6 roommates I've had 4 have had Macs. I guess it's just that college students are the ones who buy Macs the most.Hihatrider87

i want you to know that i am currently showing a lot of restraint in not going off about the gullibility of college kids. what symbolized college more then anything for me (now that i'm about to graduate)? buying my friends 2 year old gateway laptop for $200. it had the office 07 suite and usb ports and it could do pretty much everything that a macbook could.

okay i'm done.

Interesting story. Reminds me of my own exploits in the late 90's with a 486SX laptop, a Zip drive, and later an AMD Pentium clone (enjoyed both of them, and they kept running until they died of natural causes after my college life ended).
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#400 Major_Reeves
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[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Custom built is less expansive... it's been proven time and time again in this topic. Please get it in your head.

Allumunium... Who cares?

But if that's your thing... thermaltake level 10 case is made of carbon.

Bebi_vegeta

And again I repeat, that on this side of the ocean if you build a custom made workstation reflecting the top of the line mac pro, it's more expensive (+ or - 300 euros) left alone hp and sun that are pure overpriced garbage. Again note that 300 euros is nothing, it simple doesn't give me any advantage over the already built mac pro, plus it's just a machine to have at home and let me do my homework, some gaming, catalog all my music, etc. I don't need to use tesla cards/cell cards even less the quadro cards, the SIMD units on the processors more the compute shader on a normal gaming video card are enough.

IF I indeed had a justified need to require such powerful hardware, at home, custom built would be the way to go, also if you want to check prices on the retailers (http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/wtb_list_workstation_uk.html). And of course it would pretty much smoke everything that apple, hp, sun, etc putts out or anything *again* you could possibly afford on your own. At least half of the price would have to be endorsed by the company you work for (I think you're getting the picture now).

I've pretty much pointed it all and explained it all, now it's not my fault you poor mortal souls don't get a nick of it.

The security argument. Mac osx isn't more secure than windows and neither the contrary, both have their letdowns. The most secure os's areSolaris, HP-UX, AIX and SCO UNIX. But never be too confident since there are holes everywere.

On the unix-like side openBSD.

Plus you don't even know why the aluminium? remember those 10th grade physics lessons? Faraday cage? or emi shielding?

I don't care where you live, MAC pro is more expensive.

So you got a MAC pro workstation for show off, for your e-pen..?

Ah... now you need to insult me... ohhh no, my poor mortal soul... ouch... I know your not a typical MAC user, your a MAC fanboy to the bone.

Aluminum case... so if I have a steele case, plastic case or carbon case, then what happens to my PC ? It's gona blow up????

My half cent on you dood...